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Roger Gt · Feb 24, 2004

"Fred Bloggs" wrote
: Roger Gt wrote:
: > "Tim Williams" wrote
: > : "John Fields" wrote
: >
: > : > >Remember, we did beat the US once already.
: > : > --- At what, hockey?
: > : Probably refers to 1812. Or perhaps even earlier than that.
: >
: > No, it was a rebellion in Canada, the losers fled to the US.
: > 1838 - 1840
: > Read about it at:
: >
: > http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/patriots.htm
: > We got even when all the Draft Dodgers fled to Canada!
:
: Actually that rebellion of 1840 was how Thomas Edison got here-
his
: father was forced to flee across Lake Huron into the US with
British in
: hot pursuit. The Edison's were not really Canadian, they
originally
: settled in the New Jersey colony and were evicted into Canada
after the
: Revolution because they were Loyalists- then they cause trouble
up
: there, and back into US western territory they return.

So there is some good from War after all!
He would have been only a refugee in Canada.

We got the best of the deal...... Really!

Richard Henry · Feb 24, 2004

"Roger Gt" <not@here.net> wrote in message
news:QDM_b.16714$%T1.13019@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com...

"Spehro Pefhany wrote
: Fred Bloggs wrote:
:
: >The native Canadian provincials
: >were very pro-American, engaged in heavy economic dealings with
: >Americans, and established a thriving trade in US goods to
circumvent
: >the British trade ban.
:
: The New England states, especially MA and VT were so against the
war
: they refused to lend the gov't money or send troops and
continued to
: trade. State (eg. NY and PA) militias refused to cross the
border
: under constitutional grounds, as this was clearly an offensive
war,
: and the founding fathers hadn't allowed for that kind of thing.

The war of independence WAS an offensive war!

Fortunately, that took place before the Constitution was adopted.

Roger Gt · Feb 24, 2004

"Myron Samila" wrote
: "Stephen J. Rush" wrote
: > It can be argued that the big winner was Japan.
: The Russian (Winter) stopped the German war machine.
:
: You're right! But what a way to end a war eh? Dropping two
atomic devices on two
: separate days on civilians? Pearl Harbor was a military target.

"Japan" was a Military target! The two bombs saved the lives of
between 100,000 and 250,000 American service men. Good trade off!
Like the Japanese weren't torturing and murdering civilians all
along, we are just better at it!

Roger Gt · Feb 24, 2004

"Richard Henry" wrote
: "Roger Gt" wrote
: > "Spehro Pefhany wrote
: > : Fred Bloggs wrote:
: > :
: > : >The native Canadian provincials
: > : >were very pro-American, engaged in heavy economic dealings
with
: > : >Americans, and established a thriving trade in US goods to
: > circumvent
: > : >the British trade ban.
: > :
: > : The New England states, especially MA and VT were so against
the
: > war
: > : they refused to lend the gov't money or send troops and
: > continued to
: > : trade. State (eg. NY and PA) militias refused to cross the
: > border
: > : under constitutional grounds, as this was clearly an
offensive
: > war,
: > : and the founding fathers hadn't allowed for that kind of
thing.
: >
: > The war of independence WAS an offensive war!
:
: Fortunately, that took place before the Constitution was
adopted.
:
But the later adoption did not limit the power of the president to
ask for permission to go to war. The attitude did NOT change! Of
course the congress has the final word and bear all responsibility
for the acts they authorize!

Jim Thompson · Feb 24, 2004

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:09:52 -0500, "Myron Samila"
<myronx19@no.spam.sympatico.ca> wrote:

"Stephen J. Rush" <steverush@cox.net> wrote in message
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It can be argued that the big winner was Japan.

The Russian (Winter) stopped the German war machine.

You're right! But what a way to end a war eh? Dropping two atomic devices on two
separate days on civilians? Pearl Harbor was a military target.

Myron, Since you're so smart, why don't you go to Iraq and show us the
solution ?

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Mike Cowlishaw · Feb 24, 2004

The war of independence WAS an offensive war!
I saw nothing in my reading of the papers of the founders that
restrained action when it was needed to protect Americans.

Um, they weren't 'Americans' then (any more than Mexicans or
Peruvians were or are). They were just revolting colonists

)

mfc

John Fields · Feb 24, 2004

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:14:12 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

Myron, Since you're so smart, why don't you go to Iraq and show us the
solution ?

I think sometimes he has trouble with 'y's and 'o's...

--
John Fields

Roger Gt · Feb 24, 2004

"Mike Cowlishaw"wrote
: > The war of independence WAS an offensive war!
: > I saw nothing in my reading of the papers of the founders that
: > restrained action when it was needed to protect Americans.
:
: Um, they weren't 'Americans' then (any more than Mexicans or
: Peruvians were or are). They were just revolting colonists

)
: mfc

That matters how? "Those in America" or those citizens of THIS
land?"
My ancestors arrived on this continent in 1642.
They were the same people after the revolution as before.
Don't you mean colonists who revolted!

Being a thirteenth generation American might make me a "Native"
American too.
Since ALL came from somewhere else originally.

Spehro Pefhany · Feb 24, 2004

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:14:12 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:09:52 -0500, "Myron Samila"
myronx19@no.spam.sympatico.ca> wrote:

"Stephen J. Rush" <steverush@cox.net> wrote in message
news:njom309865k7c20n1qe3i3o5q8mv9n48qe@4ax.com...

It can be argued that the big winner was Japan.

The Russian (Winter) stopped the German war machine.

You're right! But what a way to end a war eh? Dropping two atomic devices on two
separate days on civilians? Pearl Harbor was a military target.

Myron, Since you're so smart, why don't you go to Iraq and show us the
solution ?
...Jim Thompson

He could volunteer for Afghanistan where he'd have some (friendly)
company while being shot at.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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Stephen J. Rush · Feb 25, 2004

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:52:05 GMT, "Roger Gt" <not@here.net> wrote:

"Myron Samila" wrote
: "Stephen J. Rush" wrote
: > It can be argued that the big winner was Japan.
: The Russian (Winter) stopped the German war machine.
:
: You're right! But what a way to end a war eh? Dropping two
atomic devices on two
: separate days on civilians? Pearl Harbor was a military target.

"Japan" was a Military target! The two bombs saved the lives of
between 100,000 and 250,000 American service men. Good trade off!
Like the Japanese weren't torturing and murdering civilians all
along, we are just better at it!

Those two nukes probably saved more _Japanese_ than they killed, given
the plans for an open-ended resistance to the invasion. There was,
for instance, a program to arm children with bamboo spears. The war
would have ground on well into the fifties.

Mark J. · Feb 25, 2004

In news:02sn301jj5fovevm3bkmnmo6kuhuonu16v@4ax.com (Stephen J. Rush):

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:52:05 GMT, "Roger Gt" <not@here.net> wrote:

"Myron Samila" wrote
"Stephen J. Rush" wrote
It can be argued that the big winner was Japan.
The Russian (Winter) stopped the German war machine.

You're right! But what a way to end a war eh? Dropping two atomic
devices on two separate days on civilians? Pearl Harbor was a
military target.

"Japan" was a Military target! The two bombs saved the lives of
between 100,000 and 250,000 American service men. Good trade off!
Like the Japanese weren't torturing and murdering civilians all
along, we are just better at it!

Those two nukes probably saved more _Japanese_ than they killed, given
the plans for an open-ended resistance to the invasion. There was,
for instance, a program to arm children with bamboo spears. The war
would have ground on well into the fifties.

So... the end justifies the means?

Or is it the other way around?

Brian Trosko · Feb 25, 2004

In alt.primenet.recovery Stephen J. Rush <steverush@cox.net> wrote:

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:52:05 GMT, "Roger Gt" <not@here.net> wrote:

"Myron Samila" wrote
: "Stephen J. Rush" wrote
: > It can be argued that the big winner was Japan.
: The Russian (Winter) stopped the German war machine.
:
: You're right! But what a way to end a war eh? Dropping two
atomic devices on two
: separate days on civilians? Pearl Harbor was a military target.

"Japan" was a Military target! The two bombs saved the lives of
between 100,000 and 250,000 American service men. Good trade off!
Like the Japanese weren't torturing and murdering civilians all
along, we are just better at it!

Those two nukes probably saved more _Japanese_ than they killed, given
the plans for an open-ended resistance to the invasion. There was,
for instance, a program to arm children with bamboo spears. The war
would have ground on well into the fifties.

And for point of comparison, in the final 5 months of the war,
conventional bombing of Japan claimed the lives of over 900,000 civilians.
Complaining about the nukes is silly.

Roger Gt · Feb 25, 2004

"Mark J." <127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:JtCdnXHmsvO2oKHdRVn-uQ@buckeye-express.com...
: In news:02sn301jj5fovevm3bkmnmo6kuhuonu16v@4ax.com (Stephen J.
Rush):
: > On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:52:05 GMT, "Roger Gt" <not@here.net>
wrote:
: >
: >>
: >> "Myron Samila" wrote
: >>> "Stephen J. Rush" wrote
: >>>> It can be argued that the big winner was Japan.
: >>> The Russian (Winter) stopped the German war machine.
: >>>
: >>> You're right! But what a way to end a war eh? Dropping two
atomic
: >>> devices on two separate days on civilians? Pearl Harbor was
a
: >>> military target.
: >>
: >> "Japan" was a Military target! The two bombs saved the lives
of
: >> between 100,000 and 250,000 American service men. Good trade
off!
: >> Like the Japanese weren't torturing and murdering civilians
all
: >> along, we are just better at it!
: >
: > Those two nukes probably saved more _Japanese_ than they
killed, given
: > the plans for an open-ended resistance to the invasion. There
was,
: > for instance, a program to arm children with bamboo spears.
The war
: > would have ground on well into the fifties.
:
: So... the end justifies the means?
: Or is it the other way around?
:
Yes!

John Fields · Feb 25, 2004

On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 01:14:00 -0500, "Mark J." <127.0.0.1> wrote:

In news:02sn301jj5fovevm3bkmnmo6kuhuonu16v@4ax.com (Stephen J. Rush):
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:52:05 GMT, "Roger Gt" <not@here.net> wrote:

"Myron Samila" wrote
"Stephen J. Rush" wrote
It can be argued that the big winner was Japan.
The Russian (Winter) stopped the German war machine.

You're right! But what a way to end a war eh? Dropping two atomic
devices on two separate days on civilians? Pearl Harbor was a
military target.

"Japan" was a Military target! The two bombs saved the lives of
between 100,000 and 250,000 American service men. Good trade off!
Like the Japanese weren't torturing and murdering civilians all
along, we are just better at it!

Those two nukes probably saved more _Japanese_ than they killed, given
the plans for an open-ended resistance to the invasion. There was,
for instance, a program to arm children with bamboo spears. The war
would have ground on well into the fifties.

So... the end justifies the means?

Or is it the other way around?

---
We didn't start it.
We won.

That's all that matters.

--
John Fields

Stephen J. Rush · Feb 25, 2004

On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 01:14:00 -0500, "Mark J." <127.0.0.1> wrote:

In news:02sn301jj5fovevm3bkmnmo6kuhuonu16v@4ax.com (Stephen J. Rush):
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:52:05 GMT, "Roger Gt" <not@here.net> wrote:

"Myron Samila" wrote
"Stephen J. Rush" wrote
It can be argued that the big winner was Japan.
The Russian (Winter) stopped the German war machine.

You're right! But what a way to end a war eh? Dropping two atomic
devices on two separate days on civilians? Pearl Harbor was a
military target.

"Japan" was a Military target! The two bombs saved the lives of
between 100,000 and 250,000 American service men. Good trade off!
Like the Japanese weren't torturing and murdering civilians all
along, we are just better at it!

Those two nukes probably saved more _Japanese_ than they killed, given
the plans for an open-ended resistance to the invasion. There was,
for instance, a program to arm children with bamboo spears. The war
would have ground on well into the fifties.

So... the end justifies the means?

Or is it the other way around?

Would killing many more people in smaller batches have been better?
Or should we have just called it all off and gone home, leaving Japan
to the Soviets? I'm sure that they would have put down the
resistance, by means that would have made the Nazis look like
gentlemen.

Fred Bloggs · Feb 25, 2004

Myron Samila ( a first-class moron) wrote:

"Stephen J. Rush" <steverush@cox.net> wrote in message
news:njom309865k7c20n1qe3i3o5q8mv9n48qe@4ax.com...

It can be argued that the big winner was Japan.

The Russian (Winter) stopped the German war machine.

You're right! But what a way to end a war eh? Dropping two atomic devices on two
separate days on civilians? Pearl Harbor was a military target.

They were amply warned and given the opportunity to surrender
unconditionally-leaflets were dropped over the targets days in advance!
Those civilians were sacrificed for the emperor! But eventually even the
Japanese shaved apes could put two and two together: surrender or have
no people left. You're very typical of the modern day loudmouthed
ignoramus and weakling pussy- your kind wouldn't have lasted five
minutes in an island campaign- fellow squad members happy to see you put
out of your misery after putting up with the stench of you shitting all
over yourself- hell they would shoot you themselves! Burying you in a
spent latrine would be most fitting.

Bill Sloman · Feb 25, 2004

John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message news:<kvhm30tofhq45bfdp3el3ntu4pcprmf043@4ax.com>...

On 24 Feb 2004 00:59:11 -0800, bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) wrote:

U.S. history books are not known for being impartial ... on the
evidence available here, they also count WW2 as a win for the U.S.
rather than for Russia.

---
Neither are you, so I'm sure you've sifted through the "evidence"
carefully, rejecting anything factual which is at odds with your
opinions.

Nice to hear your impartial opinion.

-------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Bill Sloman · Feb 25, 2004

Stephen J. Rush <steverush@cox.net> wrote in message news:<njom309865k7c20n1qe3i3o5q8mv9n48qe@4ax.com>...

On 24 Feb 2004 00:59:11 -0800, bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman)
wrote:

"Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com> wrote in message news:<8Fz_b.212$h23.62@fed1read06>...
"Dave VanHorn" <dvanhorn@cedar.net> wrote in message
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"Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com> wrote in message
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"Myron Samila" <myronx19@no.spam.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Does the US want Canada? Remember, we did beat the US once already.

Who is "we", and when?

Canada, War of 1812, the only time a foreign power torched the white
house.

Immortalized in song by "Three dead trolls in a baggie".

US history books count that war as a win for our side, since we were
fighting for freedom of pasage on the seas, not for preserving architecture.

U.S. history books are not known for being impartial ... on the
evidence available here, they also count WW2 as a win for the U.S.
rather than for Russia.

War isn't a zero-sum game. The Soviets wound up holding half of
Europe, but they took a lot of casualties and would have been overrun
without the combination of German stupidity, Western assistance, and
their old co-belligerant "Generalissimo Winter."

It can be argued that the big winner was Japan.

And Germany, on the same basis.

And the basic German stupidy was invading Russia in the first place -
a silly idea that under-valued the Russians in accordance with
Hilter's stupid ideas about the superiority of the German "race"
(another stupid idea) and the congenital inferiority of the Slavs.
Western assistance, such as it was, was useful rather than decisive.

------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Bill Sloman · Feb 25, 2004

Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message news:<7i8n30d6aku58pq6r0q7ecd6n8557nrsk0@4ax.com>...

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:09:52 -0500, "Myron Samila"
myronx19@no.spam.sympatico.ca> wrote:

"Stephen J. Rush" <steverush@cox.net> wrote in message
news:njom309865k7c20n1qe3i3o5q8mv9n48qe@4ax.com...

It can be argued that the big winner was Japan.

The Russian (Winter) stopped the German war machine.

You're right! But what a way to end a war eh? Dropping two atomic devices on two
separate days on civilians? Pearl Harbor was a military target.

Myron, Since you're so smart, why don't you go to Iraq and show us the
solution ?

...Jim Thompson

If he's that smart, he might have been smart enough to stay out of
Iraq until he could stick the U.N. with working out the solution.

------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Fred Bloggs · Feb 25, 2004

Bill Sloman wrote:

Stephen J. Rush <steverush@cox.net> wrote in message news:<njom309865k7c20n1qe3i3o5q8mv9n48qe@4ax.com>...

On 24 Feb 2004 00:59:11 -0800, bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman)
wrote:

"Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com> wrote in message news:<8Fz_b.212$h23.62@fed1read06>...

"Dave VanHorn" <dvanhorn@cedar.net> wrote in message
news:z5ydnQpvj_V1XKfdRVn-ig@comcast.com...

"Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com> wrote in message
news:U4t_b.53$h23.42@fed1read06...

"Myron Samila" <myronx19@no.spam.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:51s_b.3883$ee3.171846@news20.bellglobal.com...

Does the US want Canada? Remember, we did beat the US once already.

Who is "we", and when?

Canada, War of 1812, the only time a foreign power torched the white

house.

Immortalized in song by "Three dead trolls in a baggie".

US history books count that war as a win for our side, since we were
fighting for freedom of pasage on the seas, not for preserving architecture.

U.S. history books are not known for being impartial ... on the
evidence available here, they also count WW2 as a win for the U.S.
rather than for Russia.

War isn't a zero-sum game. The Soviets wound up holding half of
Europe, but they took a lot of casualties and would have been overrun
without the combination of German stupidity, Western assistance, and
their old co-belligerant "Generalissimo Winter."

It can be argued that the big winner was Japan.

And Germany, on the same basis.

And the basic German stupidy was invading Russia in the first place -
a silly idea that under-valued the Russians in accordance with
Hilter's stupid ideas about the superiority of the German "race"
(another stupid idea) and the congenital inferiority of the Slavs.
Western assistance, such as it was, was useful rather than decisive.

------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Invading Russia was not stupid- the German army was highly mechanized
and was more than capable of annihilating Russia into a dust pile! The
stupidity was waiting until fall and proceeding against the admonitions
of his military commanders. This is just another case of a lame-brained
theorist screwing up the people who know what they're doing!

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