Straightening tube/valve pins

[N_Cook]

PeterD <peter2@hipson.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:21:35 -0000, "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk
wrote:

setting the pins in heat settable fire-cement.

That 'fire-cement' doesn't ring a bell here in the US, have a brand
name I could look up? Sounds like an interesting product.

I use both types for all sorts of uses.
But mainly the heat setting type as its cheaper for bulk use compared to
epoxy and it of course takes heat. It can crack so reinforce with car repair
glass fibre/fiber mesh if that is critical.
Recently bought, as I used up the previous 1Kg, tub of the heat setting type
called Pyrum fire cement, so still sold in the UK.
To cure, I use a hot air gun on a low setting for an initial surface
hardening , as in this straightener job. Removed the valves (I used one at
either end of the pins when it came to it, each covered with ptfe tape to
keep the valves clean) after intial surface set. Then heat up at full whack
to fully harden the resin , its then as hard as stone in a few minutes.

The other type , non setting, trade name may not exist any more Hermetite
flue jointing compound. Mine is probably 20 years old but still useable. I
tend to only use it when I've robbed a right V & W halogen bulb from one
dicroic mount and are having to, suck it and see, adjusting the position in
another size/shape of reflector, also robbed.

If you find a USA trade or generic name and post back here, I will add to my
UK/USA technical translator file
http://www.divdev.fsnet.co.uk/tool_terms.htm


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[N_Cook]

should be

Pyruma fire cement


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[Ron]

N_Cook wrote:

should be

Pyruma fire cement

Crikey! do they still make that? When I was a kid it was promoted in
kids comics and the 'Railwaymodeller' for making models, it came in tins
with press on lids - that takes me back.

I spose the modern equivelent would be DAS modelling clay.

Ron(UK)

 

[Meat Plow]

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:35:11 -0000, "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk>wrote:

In this case someone has been moving all 12AX7 type tubes around and forcing
them in or something. Anyway pins are bent and drunken and deforming the
sockets. Any tips for straightening ? A brass block with precisely
engineered holes to push back all into alignment ? a metal cylinder with 9
peripheral axial channels to go inside the pinning and something to run
around on the outer sides of the pins ?

Needle nose pliers.

 

[William Sommerwerck]

Needle-nose pliers.

Chain-nose pliers would be even better.

 

[Meat Plow]

On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:02:05 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
<grizzledgeezer@comcast.net>wrote:

Needle-nose pliers.

Chain-nose pliers would be even better.

Don't have a pair.

 

[William Sommerwerck]

"Meat Plow" <meat@petitmorte.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:02:05 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
grizzledgeezer@comcast.net>wrote:

Needle-nose pliers.

Chain-nose pliers would be even better.

Don't have a pair.

You probably do. Most people call chain-nose pliers needle nose.

 

[Joe Bento]

On 2009-01-13 09:43:32 -0700, Ron <ron@lunevalleyaudio.com> said:

N_Cook wrote:
should be

Pyruma fire cement

Crikey! do they still make that? When I was a kid it was promoted in
kids comics and the 'Railwaymodeller' for making models, it came in
tins with press on lids - that takes me back.

Heh, they still make Wood's Metal also. I have some radio books dating
back to the early 1900's talking about setting galena in Wood's Metal
as not to ruin the crystal.

Thanks to the magic of the Internet, nearly everything is available!

Joe

 

[Meat Plow]

On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:12:44 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
<grizzledgeezer@comcast.net>wrote:

"Meat Plow" <meat@petitmorte.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:02:05 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
grizzledgeezer@comcast.net>wrote:

Needle-nose pliers.

Chain-nose pliers would be even better.

Don't have a pair.

You probably do. Most people call chain-nose pliers needle nose.

I don't have a pair of either.

 

[terry]

On Jan 13, 12:17 am, Jeffrey D Angus <jan...@socal.rr.com> wrote:

Arfa Daily wrote:
I have a vague suspicion that this tool was actually supplied
by Mullard, but I could be wrong there. I have a clear memory
of it being a baby blue colour. Happy days ...

*Rummages around in the "box-o-stuff" Ahhh, here we go.

Belling & Lee Ltd.
L1424
Made in England

Yuppers, baby blue, soft rubber with hard black 7 and
9 pin tube base inserts.

Jeff
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

..
Nah! I gotta one; somewhere, for small tubes/valves with 'pins in
glass' bases. 6C4, 12BE6, 6BZ7, 12AU7 etc.
Left over from me TV fixing days in the mid 1950s. And it's green
metal. Cost around 65 cents (about 30 p?) back then if I recall.
B7G one end and B9A t'other end IIRC. Tube suppliers would sometimes
have them as 'giveaways' if you bought a lotta tubes.
Smaller than a spool of thread/reel of cotton. (Depending on which
form of H'english you speaks!).
As mentioned the entry to each pin is slightly 'coned' or concaved to
guide a a bent pin into position.
Used too aggressively it could break the glass tube base.
Have fun.

 

[Unrevealed Source]

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Meat Plow" <meat@petitmorte.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:02:05 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
grizzledgeezer@comcast.net>wrote:

Needle-nose pliers.

Chain-nose pliers would be even better.

Don't have a pair.

You probably do. Most people call chain-nose pliers needle nose.

True, but you can't call all needle-nose pliers chain-nose. Correct me if
I'm wrong, but chain-nose pliers are usually small and usually used for fine
work like jewelry making, or other delicate work. Don't they also usually
have smooth jaws or so as not to damage soft metals?

You can call those little ones "needle-nose" pliers, but you can't call a
big heavy duty 12" pair of needle-nose pliers "chain-nose".

You really need both. I used needle-nose to straighten pins.

 

[Peter Wieck]

On Jan 15, 8:56 pm, "Unrevealed Source" <unrevealed_sou...@nospam.com>
wrote:

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgee...@comcast.net> wrote in message

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"Meat Plow" <m...@petitmorte.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:02:05 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
grizzledgee...@comcast.net>wrote:

Needle-nose pliers.

Chain-nose pliers would be even better.

Don't have a pair.

You probably do. Most people call chain-nose pliers needle nose.

True, but you can't call all needle-nose pliers chain-nose.   Correct me if
I'm wrong, but chain-nose pliers are usually small and usually used for fine
work like jewelry making, or other delicate work.  Don't they also usually
have smooth jaws or so as not to damage soft metals?

You can call those little ones "needle-nose" pliers, but you can't call a
big heavy duty 12" pair of needle-nose pliers "chain-nose".

You really need both.  I used needle-nose to straighten pins.

Needle-nose pliers: Flat-inside, half-round outside (D-shaped),
extended nose jaws, typically with tip serrated and a side-cutter.

Smooth-jaw needle-nose: as above, but no serrated tip and no cutter.

Chain-nose: Round jaws (O-shaped), no serrated tip, no cutter.

All of the above come as "bent-nose" with either a 45 or 90 degree
bend.

All of the above irrespective of size.

Then, there are specialties within the group such as 'tip-
cutter' (cutter at the tip of the jaws) and extended-jaw (jaws longer
than handle, but still irrespective of size), even parallel-jaw
(double jointed at the knuckle so they jaws remain parallel when
opening and closing) and box-knuckle (joint).

I spent a few shifts in the tool-room in my time - and between
fetching buckets of air and carbon-stretchers all these fine
distinctions became second-nature.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[William Sommerwerck]

Needle-nose pliers.

Chain-nose pliers would be even better.

Don't have a pair.

You probably do. Most people call chain-nose pliers needle nose.

True, but you can't call all needle-nose pliers chain-nose. Correct me
if
I'm wrong, but chain-nose pliers are usually small and usually used for
fine
work like jewelry making, or other delicate work. Don't they also usually
have smooth jaws or so as not to damage soft metals?

You can call those little ones "needle-nose" pliers, but you can't call a
big heavy duty 12" pair of needle-nose pliers "chain-nose".

You really need both. I used needle-nose to straighten pins.

I meant that many people /mistakenly/ call chain-nose pliers needle-nose.

 

[Unrevealed Source]

Damn-it, Peter. Now I have to go buy more tools. The parallel-jaw pliers
sound like they would come in handy. I already knew I needed a set of what
you've labeled "extended jaw" pliers.


"Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 15, 8:56 pm, "Unrevealed Source" <unrevealed_sou...@nospam.com>
wrote:

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgee...@comcast.net> wrote in message

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"Meat Plow" <m...@petitmorte.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:02:05 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
grizzledgee...@comcast.net>wrote:

Needle-nose pliers.

Chain-nose pliers would be even better.

Don't have a pair.

You probably do. Most people call chain-nose pliers needle nose.

True, but you can't call all needle-nose pliers chain-nose. Correct me if
I'm wrong, but chain-nose pliers are usually small and usually used for
fine
work like jewelry making, or other delicate work. Don't they also usually
have smooth jaws or so as not to damage soft metals?

You can call those little ones "needle-nose" pliers, but you can't call a
big heavy duty 12" pair of needle-nose pliers "chain-nose".

You really need both. I used needle-nose to straighten pins.

Needle-nose pliers: Flat-inside, half-round outside (D-shaped),
extended nose jaws, typically with tip serrated and a side-cutter.

Smooth-jaw needle-nose: as above, but no serrated tip and no cutter.

Chain-nose: Round jaws (O-shaped), no serrated tip, no cutter.

All of the above come as "bent-nose" with either a 45 or 90 degree
bend.

All of the above irrespective of size.

Then, there are specialties within the group such as 'tip-
cutter' (cutter at the tip of the jaws) and extended-jaw (jaws longer
than handle, but still irrespective of size), even parallel-jaw
(double jointed at the knuckle so they jaws remain parallel when
opening and closing) and box-knuckle (joint).

I spent a few shifts in the tool-room in my time - and between
fetching buckets of air and carbon-stretchers all these fine
distinctions became second-nature.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[Neon John]

O

Chain-nose: Round jaws (O-shaped), no serrated tip, no cutter.

just to throw another cherry bomb in the fire, those are generally
called duck-bill liars around here.

John

 

[Carter]

Peter Wieck wrote:

I spent a few shifts in the tool-room in my time - and between
fetching buckets of air and carbon-stretchers all these fine
distinctions became second-nature.

What? No requests to fetch sky hooks or left-handed monkey wrenches?

 

[msg]

Peter Wieck wrote:

<snip>

I spent a few shifts in the tool-room in my time - and between
fetching buckets of air and carbon-stretchers...

I wonder how widespread is the usage of such mythical terms; I had
a friend who labeled boxes of unknown (mostly hardware) components
"muffler bearings", and another who routinely castigated incompetent
parts buyers saying of them "he doesn't know modems from manhole
covers".

How about some more of these?

Michael

 

[Peter Wieck]

On Jan 17, 10:04 am, Carter <k...@ameritech.net> wrote:

Peter Wieck wrote:
I spent a few shifts in the tool-room in my time - and between
fetching buckets of air and carbon-stretchers all these fine
distinctions became second-nature.

What? No requests to fetch sky hooks or left-handed monkey wrenches?  

Um.... Monkey wrenches do come in "hands". And ambidexterous (self-
adjusting). It has to do with the hand of the thread, guys - not the
jaw side. Lest you think I am kidding: Lot 666 (interesting lot
number, as well:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://myweb.cableone.net/laurammi/nail/0201-210.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.wrenchingnews.com/nail-auction-2007/catalog.html&usg=__lpnpJdYJWTGZiXGhlzYVun5W96M=&h=410&w=600&sz=34&hl=en&start=19&tbnid=GP6mkoh6dDxDKM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dleft%2Bhanded%2Bmonkey%2Bwrench%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG


http://library.duke.edu/digitalcollections/images/adaccess/T/T28/T2855/T2855-lrg.jpeg

As well.

And, I was waiting for this one to come along ;-)>

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[Peter Wieck]

On Jan 17, 10:04 am, Carter <k...@ameritech.net> wrote:

Peter Wieck wrote:
I spent a few shifts in the tool-room in my time - and between
fetching buckets of air and carbon-stretchers all these fine
distinctions became second-nature.

What? No requests to fetch sky hooks or left-handed monkey wrenches?  

Forgot this one:

http://www.campmor.com/outdoor/gear/Product___80488

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[Arfa Daily]

"msg" <msg@_cybertheque.org_> wrote in message
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Peter Wieck wrote:

snip
I spent a few shifts in the tool-room in my time - and between
fetching buckets of air and carbon-stretchers...

I wonder how widespread is the usage of such mythical terms; I had
a friend who labeled boxes of unknown (mostly hardware) components
"muffler bearings", and another who routinely castigated incompetent
parts buyers saying of them "he doesn't know modems from manhole
covers".

How about some more of these?

Michael

We used to send apprentices for rubber hammer and glass nails, and also for
a long weight ... I also used to work with a wonderful old boy called Norman
who used to tell little old ladies who asked what was wrong with their TV
set so that they could tell their husbands when they got home that he had
had to "move the hyposthphosphicator two degrees nearer to the ecliptant in
order to improve the impactic contact". It took me years to learn that
properly, and I've never forgotten it, or how he could say it to customers
with a totally straight face. Another guy that I have done work for in the
past, used to bill fuses as "glass encapsulated surge protection devices"


Arfa