split aircons at aldi/bunnings

[syd bluemountains]

I was looking at the low cost split aircons at Bunnings on a pallete
for $599 and now I see the latest Aldi catalog has a cheap reverse
cycle split system for $599.
Q; Can you set this up at home with no vacuum equipment? How do you
connect the copper tubing between the outside compressor and split
system inside with no special equipment? I cant open the box to read
the manual before buying and the bunnings sales person just says, yes
no problem setting up at home if you are handy..

thanks

 

[atec77]

On 17/10/2011 7:16 PM, syd bluemountains wrote:

I was looking at the low cost split aircons at Bunnings on a pallete
for $599 and now I see the latest Aldi catalog has a cheap reverse
cycle split system for $599.
Q; Can you set this up at home with no vacuum equipment? How do you
connect the copper tubing between the outside compressor and split
system inside with no special equipment? I cant open the box to read
the manual before buying and the bunnings sales person just says, yes
no problem setting up at home if you are handy..

thanks
I can't suggest it's possible and you will introduce air , now it may be

vacuumed already but dependent on state law you ma by law need a trady
to install at least the connection

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[TonyS]

On 17/10/2011 5:16 PM, syd bluemountains wrote:

I was looking at the low cost split aircons at Bunnings on a pallete
for $599 and now I see the latest Aldi catalog has a cheap reverse
cycle split system for $599.
Q; Can you set this up at home with no vacuum equipment? How do you
connect the copper tubing between the outside compressor and split
system inside with no special equipment? I cant open the box to read
the manual before buying and the bunnings sales person just says, yes
no problem setting up at home if you are handy..

thanks

Just an idea, could it be that they are like these?
http://www.dealsdirect.com.au/p/aux-reverse-cycle-portable-air-conditioner-14000-btu/

 

[F Murtz]

TonyS wrote:

On 17/10/2011 5:16 PM, syd bluemountains wrote:
I was looking at the low cost split aircons at Bunnings on a pallete
for $599 and now I see the latest Aldi catalog has a cheap reverse
cycle split system for $599.
Q; Can you set this up at home with no vacuum equipment? How do you
connect the copper tubing between the outside compressor and split
system inside with no special equipment? I cant open the box to read
the manual before buying and the bunnings sales person just says, yes
no problem setting up at home if you are handy..

thanks

Just an idea, could it be that they are like these?
http://www.dealsdirect.com.au/p/aux-reverse-cycle-portable-air-conditioner-14000-btu/


I doubt it,the Aldi ones are split units and those are fiddly

freestanding self contained portable units.

 

[kreed]

On Oct 17, 7:31 pm, atec77 <ate...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 17/10/2011 7:16 PM, syd bluemountains wrote:> I was looking at the low cost split aircons at Bunnings on a pallete
for $599 and now I see the latest Aldi catalog has a cheap reverse
cycle split system for $599.
Q;  Can you set this up at home with no vacuum equipment? How do you
connect the copper tubing between the outside compressor and split
system inside with no special equipment?  I cant open the box to read
the manual before buying and the bunnings sales person just says, yes
no problem setting up at home if you are handy..

thanks

I can't suggest it's possible and you will introduce air , now it may be
vacuumed already but dependent on state law you ma by law need a trady
to install at least the connection

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A friend bought some self-install systems at Super A mart about
2004.

In this particular case, the gas was stored under pressure in the
compressor, the piping was then installed, and the gas released (a tap
or screw on the outside to open the outlet?) .

According to the manual, if the tubing was a short run as supplied
(3-4 metre or so tubing was supplied with fittings already installed
at each end) there was no need to evacuate the pipes of air first as
this wouldn't cause any significant problem. (if you wanted longer
runs - it would need to be done).

The pipes were installed and the gas released into them. All is still
working fine.

Note that it was critical to ensure that no dirt or crap got into the
pipes. The end caps had to be left on until fitting to keep them
clean.


Note that apart from this, if you are doing large units, you will need
to run power to them. If it is over 10a, and there isnt a suitable
socket already there, you will need to install - or have an
electrician install a suitably rated (15A, 20A, 25A) power point and
circuit in the fuse box.

Alternately it would need to be hard wired.

 

[Tom]

On 17/10/2011 9:19 PM, TonyS wrote:

On 17/10/2011 5:16 PM, syd bluemountains wrote:
I was looking at the low cost split aircons at Bunnings on a pallete
for $599 and now I see the latest Aldi catalog has a cheap reverse
cycle split system for $599.
Q; Can you set this up at home with no vacuum equipment? How do you
connect the copper tubing between the outside compressor and split
system inside with no special equipment? I cant open the box to read
the manual before buying and the bunnings sales person just says, yes
no problem setting up at home if you are handy..

thanks

Just an idea, could it be that they are like these?
http://www.dealsdirect.com.au/p/aux-reverse-cycle-portable-air-conditioner-14000-btu/

Totally different, this is portable crap and Aldi's could be low quality but real split system - will work good for some time. The only question is how long is some time, it can vary a lot with Aldi products.

Tom

 

[syd bluemountains]

Yes the Bunnings guy said you just release the tap to pressurize the
tubes, so maybe its pretty simple if you dont get crap in the lines as
you say.

Here is the Aldi link on sale this Wednesday. Need to compare which
unit is better, Aldo or Bunnings.
http://www.aldi.com.au/au/html/offers/2827_19407.htm

6.4kW cooling power, would this indicate it needs about 25 amps??

 

[Jeßus]

On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 04:51:51 -0700 (PDT), syd bluemountains
<gg@joho.com> wrote:

Yes the Bunnings guy said you just release the tap to pressurize the
tubes, so maybe its pretty simple if you dont get crap in the lines as
you say.

I'd take a closer look at the warranty before committing.

In the event of a problem arising relating to the gas during
installation - will they honour the warranty if you are not a
qualified installer?

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 10/17/2011 10:51 PM, syd bluemountains wrote:

Yes the Bunnings guy said you just release the tap to pressurize the
tubes, so maybe its pretty simple if you dont get crap in the lines as
you say.

Here is the Aldi link on sale this Wednesday. Need to compare which
unit is better, Aldo or Bunnings.
http://www.aldi.com.au/au/html/offers/2827_19407.htm

6.4kW cooling power, would this indicate it needs about 25 amps??

**No. The 6.4kW figure is the EQUIVALENT cooling power of the device.
Somewhere on the unit, and/or in the manual, will be the power
consumption rating. This will likely lie between 2kW and 2.4kW. Modern
air conditioners are usually far more than 100% efficient. Of more
concern to you SHOULD be what the real figures are. Disreputable CHinese
manufacturers have been known to exagerate the figures obtainable with
their products.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[atec77]

On 17/10/2011 9:51 PM, syd bluemountains wrote:

Yes the Bunnings guy said you just release the tap to pressurize the
tubes, so maybe its pretty simple if you dont get crap in the lines as
you say.

Here is the Aldi link on sale this Wednesday. Need to compare which
unit is better, Aldo or Bunnings.
http://www.aldi.com.au/au/html/offers/2827_19407.htm

6.4kW cooling power, would this indicate it needs about 25 amps??
I should think this needs a proper tradie to install for electrical and

connection or there wont be a warranty as specified somewhere in tiny
writing

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[David]

In article
<b8ea64e2-6122-4c94-a746-18a93c26d110@y35g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
syd bluemountains <gg@joho.com> wrote:

I was looking at the low cost split aircons at Bunnings on a pallete
for $599 and now I see the latest Aldi catalog has a cheap reverse
cycle split system for $599.
Q; Can you set this up at home with no vacuum equipment? How do you
connect the copper tubing between the outside compressor and split
system inside with no special equipment? I cant open the box to read
the manual before buying and the bunnings sales person just says, yes
no problem setting up at home if you are handy..

thanks

Why cant you open the box? Just do it

David

 

[Barry OGrady]

On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 02:16:22 -0700 (PDT), syd bluemountains
<gg@joho.com> wrote:

I was looking at the low cost split aircons at Bunnings on a pallete
for $599 and now I see the latest Aldi catalog has a cheap reverse
cycle split system for $599.
Q; Can you set this up at home with no vacuum equipment? How do you
connect the copper tubing between the outside compressor and split
system inside with no special equipment?

I can't do it but you might be able to if you have the required
license.

I cant open the box to read
the manual before buying and the bunnings sales person just says, yes
no problem setting up at home if you are handy..

thanks

 

[F Murtz]

Barry OGrady wrote:

On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 02:16:22 -0700 (PDT), syd bluemountains
gg@joho.com> wrote:

I was looking at the low cost split aircons at Bunnings on a pallete
for $599 and now I see the latest Aldi catalog has a cheap reverse
cycle split system for $599.
Q; Can you set this up at home with no vacuum equipment? How do you
connect the copper tubing between the outside compressor and split
system inside with no special equipment?

I can't do it but you might be able to if you have the required
license.

I cant open the box to read
the manual before buying and the bunnings sales person just says, yes
no problem setting up at home if you are handy..

thanks

Almost anybody should be capable of installing one of these but there
are restrictions on who is allowed.but people are installing them all
the time and get away with it .
But if you make a mistake and have to get a refrig tech to regas it will
cost a fortune because they know you are up a tree without a paddle.
I had a second hand one given me and I filled it with R290 which is
propane and it works perfectly.

 

[Metro]

"syd bluemountains" <gg@joho.com> wrote in message
news:b8ea64e2-6122-4c94-a746-18a93c26d110@y35g2000pre.googlegroups.com...

I was looking at the low cost split aircons at Bunnings on a pallete
for $599 and now I see the latest Aldi catalog has a cheap reverse
cycle split system for $599.
Q; Can you set this up at home with no vacuum equipment? How do you
connect the copper tubing between the outside compressor and split
system inside with no special equipment? I cant open the box to read
the manual before buying and the bunnings sales person just says, yes
no problem setting up at home if you are handy..

thanks

I had a similar occurrence . I asked to inspect the article before I
purchased........There were none on display. I asked the assistant(?) , who
refused to open the box. I asked for the manager. Eventually he turned up
and agreed to open the box to allow me to take measurements and glance the
manual. It is after all your right to view before you purchase

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 19/10/2011 1:27 PM, Metro wrote:

"syd bluemountains"<gg@joho.com> wrote in message
news:b8ea64e2-6122-4c94-a746-18a93c26d110@y35g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
I was looking at the low cost split aircons at Bunnings on a pallete
for $599 and now I see the latest Aldi catalog has a cheap reverse
cycle split system for $599.
Q; Can you set this up at home with no vacuum equipment? How do you
connect the copper tubing between the outside compressor and split
system inside with no special equipment? I cant open the box to read
the manual before buying and the bunnings sales person just says, yes
no problem setting up at home if you are handy..

thanks

I had a similar occurrence . I asked to inspect the article before I
purchased........There were none on display. I asked the assistant(?) , who
refused to open the box. I asked for the manager. Eventually he turned up
and agreed to open the box to allow me to take measurements and glance the
manual. It is after all your right to view before you purchase

Hardly a right. At most you can indicate that if you can't view, then
you won't purchase.

Sylvia.

 

[Metro]

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:9gai1sFlenU1@mid.individual.net...

On 19/10/2011 1:27 PM, Metro wrote:
"syd bluemountains"<gg@joho.com> wrote in message
news:b8ea64e2-6122-4c94-a746-18a93c26d110@y35g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
I was looking at the low cost split aircons at Bunnings on a pallete
for $599 and now I see the latest Aldi catalog has a cheap reverse
cycle split system for $599.
Q; Can you set this up at home with no vacuum equipment? How do you
connect the copper tubing between the outside compressor and split
system inside with no special equipment? I cant open the box to read
the manual before buying and the bunnings sales person just says, yes
no problem setting up at home if you are handy..

thanks

I had a similar occurrence . I asked to inspect the article before I
purchased........There were none on display. I asked the assistant(?) ,
who
refused to open the box. I asked for the manager. Eventually he turned up
and agreed to open the box to allow me to take measurements and glance
the
manual. It is after all your right to view before you purchase


Hardly a right. At most you can indicate that if you can't view, then you
won't purchase.

Sylvia.

You are correct. But I'm sure the manufacturer would agree,the manager
certainly did.
Incidentally, many of these cheap A/C's use aluminium piping instead of
copper which makes it very difficult and expensive to repair if you get a
gas leak.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 21/10/2011 11:41 AM, Metro wrote:

Incidentally, many of these cheap A/C's use aluminium piping instead of
copper which makes it very difficult and expensive to repair if you get a
gas leak.

Welding aluminium being not for the faint hearted.

Could one replace all the piping with copper at install time, albeit at
some cost?

Sylvia.

 

[F Murtz]

Sylvia Else wrote:

On 21/10/2011 11:41 AM, Metro wrote:

Incidentally, many of these cheap A/C's use aluminium piping instead of
copper which makes it very difficult and expensive to repair if you get a
gas leak.


Welding aluminium being not for the faint hearted.

Could one replace all the piping with copper at install time, albeit at
some cost?

Sylvia.

Not the aluminium in the condensor and evaporator if they use it there

 

[kreed]

On Oct 17, 7:31 pm, atec77 <ate...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 17/10/2011 7:16 PM, syd bluemountains wrote:> I was looking at the low cost split aircons at Bunnings on a pallete
for $599 and now I see the latest Aldi catalog has a cheap reverse
cycle split system for $599.
Q;  Can you set this up at home with no vacuum equipment? How do you
connect the copper tubing between the outside compressor and split
system inside with no special equipment?  I cant open the box to read
the manual before buying and the bunnings sales person just says, yes
no problem setting up at home if you are handy..

thanks

I can't suggest it's possible and you will introduce air , now it may be
vacuumed already but dependent on state law you ma by law need a trady
to install at least the connection

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BTW was there the other day, the length of the refrigeration pipe as
supplied was 3.5 metre.
He said that it is not practical to shorten the pipes as they are pre-
flared at the ends, and modern
units use a very hard type of pipe that is very hard to make a flared
end in compared to the older types of refrigeration pipe.

As such, you would have to coil up any excess pipe somewhere
convenient if you are to install such a system.



It is illegal for anyone in QLD who isnt a licensed installer to
install these DIY systems though it is frequently done. He said that
his were done before this law came in, but the supplier still removed
the DIY part of the manual from the box before sale

In this case, the internet was a great help with this, or if you get
the right person at Bunnings.


Remember too with Aldi, there is a 3 month return/refund policy on ANY
item you buy there, so you can buy a unit, check it out
and if it looks a big drama, then return it (though if you release the
gas, you might not be able to).

I have never had a problem taking anything back there.

 

[F Murtz]

kreed wrote:

On Oct 17, 7:31 pm, atec77<ate...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 17/10/2011 7:16 PM, syd bluemountains wrote:> I was looking at the low cost split aircons at Bunnings on a pallete
for $599 and now I see the latest Aldi catalog has a cheap reverse
cycle split system for $599.
Q; Can you set this up at home with no vacuum equipment? How do you
connect the copper tubing between the outside compressor and split
system inside with no special equipment? I cant open the box to read
the manual before buying and the bunnings sales person just says, yes
no problem setting up at home if you are handy..

thanks

I can't suggest it's possible and you will introduce air , now it may be
vacuumed already but dependent on state law you ma by law need a trady
to install at least the connection

--
X-No-Archive: Yes


BTW was there the other day, the length of the refrigeration pipe as
supplied was 3.5 metre.
He said that it is not practical to shorten the pipes as they are pre-
flared at the ends, and modern
units use a very hard type of pipe that is very hard to make a flared
end in compared to the older types of refrigeration pipe.

As such, you would have to coil up any excess pipe somewhere
convenient if you are to install such a system.

rubbish, just anneal the pipe if it is too hard.

It is illegal for anyone in QLD who isnt a licensed installer to
install these DIY systems though it is frequently done. He said that
his were done before this law came in, but the supplier still removed
the DIY part of the manual from the box before sale

In this case, the internet was a great help with this, or if you get
the right person at Bunnings.


Remember too with Aldi, there is a 3 month return/refund policy on ANY
item you buy there, so you can buy a unit, check it out
and if it looks a big drama, then return it (though if you release the
gas, you might not be able to).

I have never had a problem taking anything back there.