speakers' cable

[Bob Myers]

"Ken" <___ken3@telia.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:26:10 +0100, andy
news4@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> wrote:

can you get cable made with an 8 ohm characteristic impedance?

0 Ohm in the cable is always best.

Zero ohm characteristic impedance would be somewhat
problematic - to put it mildly - in any situation where this
parameter is actually of concern.

Bob M.

 

[andy]

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:09:50 -0500, John Fields wrote:

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 02:56:34 +0100, andy
news4@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> wrote:


I was wondering about whether I could make my fortune trying to kid
audiophiles that it made a difference to their sound quality, that's all.

---
Sure; it's easy.

All you have to do is come up with some authoritative sounding
techno-babble liberally sprinkled with musical-sounding crap:

"By soft-drawing the multiplicity of oxygen-free high-conductivity
copper strands before silver plating them and laying them up as
cables, the cubic crystallinity of the copper grains is disrupted,
allowing the signal to make a more graceful transit between the
amplifier and the speaker. This will result in a more accurate
presentation of the program material on the sound stage with none of
the harshness associated with granular copper stranding."

And on and on...

how about:

'When NASA were deciding how to convey transmissions from astronauts on
board the space shuttle, they opted for the solution of cylindrically
embedded cable technology to carry signals between the various parts of
their apparatus, thus reducing bounce and scatter at the cable interfaces.
Our engineers have skilfully refined this technology for the audio arena;
our CECT cables are designed to be perfectly matched to the expected
impedance of your high fidelity speakers. No more bounce and scatter.'

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[Captain]

"Dbowey" <dbowey@aol.com> wrote in message
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Vexator posted:

I would have a question about speakers' cable.

Many people (not only sellers) are convinced that with a special (and very
expensive) speakers' cable they get a "sound" better, many others think
the
simple electric wire is same.

I wonder that's suggestion, or is truth? Are there cables better then
others? What do you think about that?


They are all gimmicks designed to do nothing other than to relieve you of
your
money.

However.........

There is one thing you can do to reduce the potential for strong RF
signals
being received on your speaker cables; tightly twist each two-wire speaker
cable through its length.

Don

This will reduce, but not eliminate, differential mode RF pickup. The only
way to totally eliminate differential mode pickup is to make sure that the
twists are perfectly balanced, whichis prety near impossible. However, this
will not affect common mode pickup. Still, since speaker coils are,
theoretically, not affected by common mode signals, this should work.

But, as a matter of interest, why worry about RF interference on your cables
anyway? You can't hear it, the speaker won'r react to it.and the impedance
of the cable at RF is so far removed from the speaker impedance that
coupling is extremely inefficient.

Seems like another waste of effort, all things considered.

Cap

 

[Captain]

"Ken" <___ken3@telia.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:45:23 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

can you get cable made with an 8 ohm characteristic impedance?

0 Ohm in the cable is always best.

But you can't get it...

Almost, but they are VERY expensive and thick.

In which case they should appeal to just about every audio nut out there!

And now a new business; great big zero ohm connectors for your zero ohm
cables, only 50 (enter your local monetary unit) each!

I swear I'm in the wrong business!

 

[Frank Alforo]

I am always amused when this subject comes up. People seem to forget that
the signal, on it's way from amplifier output to speaker, passes not only
through, say, 6, 8, 10 feet or so of cable but also passes through many
YARDS of plain old 18 gauge enamelled wire in the cross over network coils.
The speaker cable is a small percentage of the total wire length in the
signal path. Even if, and I stress the word 'if', 'monster' cable were
sonically superior, you would never hear the difference.

Frank

 

[Andyb]

"andy" <news4@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
newsan.2004.09.17.23.15.24.131304@earthsong.free-online.co.uk...

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:09:50 -0500, John Fields wrote:
'When NASA were deciding how to convey transmissions from astronauts on
board the space shuttle, they opted for the solution of cylindrically
embedded cable technology to carry signals between the various parts of
their apparatus, thus reducing bounce and scatter at the cable interfaces.
Our engineers have skilfully refined this technology for the audio arena;
our CECT cables are designed to be perfectly matched to the expected
impedance of your high fidelity speakers. No more bounce and scatter.'

Remember to include some technical looking graphs with that.

Andyb
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[Vexator]

Do you want a example? Well... the TRANSPARENT CABLE MUSIC WAVE SUPER costs
(2,5 meter!) 1780,00 Euros!

Is it very expensive? If it's built, maybe there is someone that buy it!
It's a very fraud!!!

Forgot... in an Hi-Fi-show, there were a couple of signal-cable (used to
connect CD-player to amplifier) that cost 2500,00 Euros. I want be a
speakers' cable designer so I will be rich person )

ciao

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Hello,
I would have a question about speakers' cable.

Many people (not only sellers) are convinced that with a special (and very
expensive) speakers' cable they get a "sound" better, many others think
the
simple electric wire is same.

I wonder that's suggestion, or is truth? Are there cables better then
others? What do you think about that?

have a nice day

--
MEMENTO AVDERE SEMPER
Giovanni (Italy)

.

 

[Vexator]

Must the length of couple cables be identical? Could be 1 meter for right
channel and 5 meter for left channel?

thanks in advance

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"Vexator" <vexator_nospam@inwind.it> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:T1c2d.5558$zF3.147642@twister2.libero.it...

Hello,
I would have a question about speakers' cable.

Many people (not only sellers) are convinced that with a special (and very
expensive) speakers' cable they get a "sound" better, many others think
the
simple electric wire is same.

I wonder that's suggestion, or is truth? Are there cables better then
others? What do you think about that?

have a nice day

--
MEMENTO AVDERE SEMPER
Giovanni (Italy)

.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 18:19:38 GMT, "Vexator" <vexator_nospam@inwind.it>
wrote:

Must the length of couple cables be identical? Could be 1 meter for right
channel and 5 meter for left channel?

thanks in advance

There's a simple answer to all your questions:

SPEAKER CABLES DON'T MATTER.

John

 

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 01:53:39 GMT, "Captain"
<Captain7@rochester.rr.com> wrote:

"Ken" <___ken3@telia.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:45:23 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

can you get cable made with an 8 ohm characteristic impedance?

0 Ohm in the cable is always best.

But you can't get it...

Almost, but they are VERY expensive and thick.


In which case they should appeal to just about every audio nut out there!

And now a new business; great big zero ohm connectors for your zero ohm
cables, only 50 (enter your local monetary unit) each!

I swear I'm in the wrong business!

try wireless technology great "O ohms" characteristics
>

 

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 00:15:24 +0100, andy
<news4@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> wrote:

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:09:50 -0500, John Fields wrote:

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 02:56:34 +0100, andy
news4@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> wrote:


I was wondering about whether I could make my fortune trying to kid
audiophiles that it made a difference to their sound quality, that's all.

---
Sure; it's easy.

All you have to do is come up with some authoritative sounding
techno-babble liberally sprinkled with musical-sounding crap:

"By soft-drawing the multiplicity of oxygen-free high-conductivity
copper strands before silver plating them and laying them up as
cables, the cubic crystallinity of the copper grains is disrupted,
allowing the signal to make a more graceful transit between the
amplifier and the speaker. This will result in a more accurate
presentation of the program material on the sound stage with none of
the harshness associated with granular copper stranding."

And on and on...

how about:

'When NASA were deciding how to convey transmissions from astronauts on
board the space shuttle, they opted for the solution of cylindrically
embedded cable technology to carry signals between the various parts of
their apparatus, thus reducing bounce and scatter at the cable interfaces.
Our engineers have skilfully refined this technology for the audio arena;
our CECT cables are designed to be perfectly matched to the expected
impedance of your high fidelity speakers. No more bounce and scatter.'

the only draw back is the hugh lenght of cable required to access the
shuttle from the control center ( but we did manage to keep it just
under 8 ohms)

 

[Dbowey]

Captain posted:
<< But, as a matter of interest, why worry about RF interference on your cables
anyway? You can't hear it, the speaker won'r react to it.and the impedance
of the cable at RF is so far removed from the speaker impedance that
coupling is extremely inefficient.
Yes, under some conditions, you will hear it. The amplifier will envelope
detect the RF signal and output it on the speaker leads.

Don

 

[Rich Grise]

On Friday 17 September 2004 09:09 am, John Fields did deign to grace us with
the following:

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 02:56:34 +0100, andy
news4@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> wrote:


I was wondering about whether I could make my fortune trying to kid
audiophiles that it made a difference to their sound quality, that's all.

---
Sure; it's easy.

All you have to do is come up with some authoritative sounding
techno-babble liberally sprinkled with musical-sounding crap:

"By soft-drawing the multiplicity of oxygen-free high-conductivity
copper strands before silver plating them and laying them up as
cables, the cubic crystallinity of the copper grains is disrupted,
allowing the signal to make a more graceful transit between the
amplifier and the speaker. This will result in a more accurate
presentation of the program material on the sound stage with none of
the harshness associated with granular copper stranding."

And on and on...

Nah - just use an ordinary "impedance matching 101" lecture, but

dress it up in a bunch of audiophoolese, or make it sound like a
new discovery or something.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[John Fields]

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 23:01:59 GMT, Rich Grise <null@example.net> wrote:

On Friday 17 September 2004 09:09 am, John Fields did deign to grace us with
the following:

"By soft-drawing the multiplicity of oxygen-free high-conductivity
copper strands before silver plating them and laying them up as
cables, the cubic crystallinity of the copper grains is disrupted,
allowing the signal to make a more graceful transit between the
amplifier and the speaker. This will result in a more accurate
presentation of the program material on the sound stage with none of
the harshness associated with granular copper stranding."

And on and on...

Nah - just use an ordinary "impedance matching 101" lecture, but
dress it up in a bunch of audiophoolese, or make it sound like a
new discovery or something.

---
Hey, Rich, get your own act.

--
John Fields

 

[Rich Grise]

On Saturday 18 September 2004 11:19 am, Vexator did deign to grace us with
the following:

Must the length of couple cables be identical? Could be 1 meter for right
channel and 5 meter for left channel?

thanks in advance

Oh, yes, they need to be precision matched. I can provide you a pair from

my Custom Lab for only $69.95/foot each.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 23:14:40 GMT, Rich Grise <null@example.net> wrote:

On Saturday 18 September 2004 11:19 am, Vexator did deign to grace us with
the following:

Must the length of couple cables be identical? Could be 1 meter for right
channel and 5 meter for left channel?

thanks in advance

Oh, yes, they need to be precision matched. I can provide you a pair from
my Custom Lab for only $69.95/foot each.

Cheers!
Rich

Be sure to offer them the optional head clamp, to keep the acoustic
time delay constant from the speakers to their ears. Without that, the
carefully-matched speaker cable lengths are wasted.

John

 

[Leonard Martin]

In article <slipk0pjtkglmvvevrpl9j1007muf7ujtd@4ax.com>,
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 23:14:40 GMT, Rich Grise <null@example.net> wrote:

On Saturday 18 September 2004 11:19 am, Vexator did deign to grace us with
the following:

Must the length of couple cables be identical? Could be 1 meter for right
channel and 5 meter for left channel?

thanks in advance

Oh, yes, they need to be precision matched. I can provide you a pair from
my Custom Lab for only $69.95/foot each.

Cheers!
Rich


Be sure to offer them the optional head clamp, to keep the acoustic
time delay constant from the speakers to their ears. Without that, the
carefully-matched speaker cable lengths are wasted.

John

This has been hilarious!

What I don't understand--and this question also constantly comes up when
I listen to the Art Bell radio show--is don't these cable-pushers feel
ASHAMED when they lie? I know I do, and I had a fairly normal American
upbringing. Is there a subculture of Americans out there who are proud
when they give no value for money paid? If so, are there lots of them?
I've led a very sheltered life, I guess. Do any of you know any of them?

Leonard the Traditionally Moral

--
"Everything that rises must converge"
--Flannery O'Connor

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 22:05:31 -0500, Leonard Martin
<lmarti49@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Be sure to offer them the optional head clamp, to keep the acoustic
time delay constant from the speakers to their ears. Without that, the
carefully-matched speaker cable lengths are wasted.

John


This has been hilarious!

What I don't understand--and this question also constantly comes up when
I listen to the Art Bell radio show--is don't these cable-pushers feel
ASHAMED when they lie?

Of course not; they can *hear* the difference.

The easiest person to lie to is yourself.

Is there a subculture of Americans out there who are proud
when they give no value for money paid? If so, are there lots of them?

Ummm, yes.

John

 

[Vexator]

Yep! Thanks very much Rich! That is an advantageous price.

How much to send here? If I'll buy 100 foots, do you make little discount?

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On Saturday 18 September 2004 11:19 am, Vexator did deign to grace us with
the following:

Must the length of couple cables be identical? Could be 1 meter for
right
channel and 5 meter for left channel?

thanks in advance

Oh, yes, they need to be precision matched. I can provide you a pair from
my Custom Lab for only $69.95/foot each.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Saturday 18 September 2004 04:07 pm, John Fields did deign to grace us
with the following:

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 23:01:59 GMT, Rich Grise <null@example.net> wrote:

On Friday 17 September 2004 09:09 am, John Fields did deign to grace us
with the following:

"By soft-drawing the multiplicity of oxygen-free high-conductivity
copper strands before silver plating them and laying them up as
cables, the cubic crystallinity of the copper grains is disrupted,
allowing the signal to make a more graceful transit between the
amplifier and the speaker. This will result in a more accurate
presentation of the program material on the sound stage with none of
the harshness associated with granular copper stranding."

And on and on...

Nah - just use an ordinary "impedance matching 101" lecture, but
dress it up in a bunch of audiophoolese, or make it sound like a
new discovery or something.

---
Hey, Rich, get your own act.

Sorry, did you already come up with this one? It wouldn't take much

to make, for example
http://contact.tm.agilent.com/Agilent/tmo/an-95-1/classes/imatch.html
totally opaque to the average consumer.

Specially designed with the latest Computer Aided Technology, straight
from the labs of the National Science Foundation - Precision Impedance-
Matched Cables, only $19.99/foot/pair. ;-)

And use two pieces of welding cable bonded together.

Anybody want to bother to look up the formula for spacing/diameter
for 8 ohms?

Cheers!
Rich