speakers' cable

[Frank Alforo]

I am always amused when this subject comes up. People seem to forget that
the signal, on it's way from amplifier output to speaker, passes not only
through, say, 6, 8, 10 feet or so of cable but also passes through many
YARDS of plain old 18 gauge enamelled wire in the cross over network coils.
The speaker cable is a small percentage of the total wire length in the
signal path. Even if, and I stress the word 'if', 'monster' cable were
sonically superior, you would never hear the difference.

Frank

 

[Andyb]

"andy" <news4@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
newsan.2004.09.17.23.15.24.131304@earthsong.free-online.co.uk...

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:09:50 -0500, John Fields wrote:
'When NASA were deciding how to convey transmissions from astronauts on
board the space shuttle, they opted for the solution of cylindrically
embedded cable technology to carry signals between the various parts of
their apparatus, thus reducing bounce and scatter at the cable interfaces.
Our engineers have skilfully refined this technology for the audio arena;
our CECT cables are designed to be perfectly matched to the expected
impedance of your high fidelity speakers. No more bounce and scatter.'

Remember to include some technical looking graphs with that.

Andyb
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[Vexator]

Do you want a example? Well... the TRANSPARENT CABLE MUSIC WAVE SUPER costs
(2,5 meter!) 1780,00 Euros!

Is it very expensive? If it's built, maybe there is someone that buy it!
It's a very fraud!!!

Forgot... in an Hi-Fi-show, there were a couple of signal-cable (used to
connect CD-player to amplifier) that cost 2500,00 Euros. I want be a
speakers' cable designer so I will be rich person )

ciao

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Hello,
I would have a question about speakers' cable.

Many people (not only sellers) are convinced that with a special (and very
expensive) speakers' cable they get a "sound" better, many others think
the
simple electric wire is same.

I wonder that's suggestion, or is truth? Are there cables better then
others? What do you think about that?

have a nice day

--
MEMENTO AVDERE SEMPER
Giovanni (Italy)

.

 

[Vexator]

Must the length of couple cables be identical? Could be 1 meter for right
channel and 5 meter for left channel?

thanks in advance

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Giovanni (Italy)

..
"Vexator" <vexator_nospam@inwind.it> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:T1c2d.5558$zF3.147642@twister2.libero.it...

Hello,
I would have a question about speakers' cable.

Many people (not only sellers) are convinced that with a special (and very
expensive) speakers' cable they get a "sound" better, many others think
the
simple electric wire is same.

I wonder that's suggestion, or is truth? Are there cables better then
others? What do you think about that?

have a nice day

--
MEMENTO AVDERE SEMPER
Giovanni (Italy)

.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 18:19:38 GMT, "Vexator" <vexator_nospam@inwind.it>
wrote:

Must the length of couple cables be identical? Could be 1 meter for right
channel and 5 meter for left channel?

thanks in advance

There's a simple answer to all your questions:

SPEAKER CABLES DON'T MATTER.

John

 

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 00:15:24 +0100, andy
<news4@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> wrote:

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:09:50 -0500, John Fields wrote:

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 02:56:34 +0100, andy
news4@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> wrote:


I was wondering about whether I could make my fortune trying to kid
audiophiles that it made a difference to their sound quality, that's all.

---
Sure; it's easy.

All you have to do is come up with some authoritative sounding
techno-babble liberally sprinkled with musical-sounding crap:

"By soft-drawing the multiplicity of oxygen-free high-conductivity
copper strands before silver plating them and laying them up as
cables, the cubic crystallinity of the copper grains is disrupted,
allowing the signal to make a more graceful transit between the
amplifier and the speaker. This will result in a more accurate
presentation of the program material on the sound stage with none of
the harshness associated with granular copper stranding."

And on and on...

how about:

'When NASA were deciding how to convey transmissions from astronauts on
board the space shuttle, they opted for the solution of cylindrically
embedded cable technology to carry signals between the various parts of
their apparatus, thus reducing bounce and scatter at the cable interfaces.
Our engineers have skilfully refined this technology for the audio arena;
our CECT cables are designed to be perfectly matched to the expected
impedance of your high fidelity speakers. No more bounce and scatter.'

the only draw back is the hugh lenght of cable required to access the
shuttle from the control center ( but we did manage to keep it just
under 8 ohms)

 

[Rich Grise]

On Friday 17 September 2004 09:09 am, John Fields did deign to grace us with
the following:

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 02:56:34 +0100, andy
news4@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> wrote:


I was wondering about whether I could make my fortune trying to kid
audiophiles that it made a difference to their sound quality, that's all.

---
Sure; it's easy.

All you have to do is come up with some authoritative sounding
techno-babble liberally sprinkled with musical-sounding crap:

"By soft-drawing the multiplicity of oxygen-free high-conductivity
copper strands before silver plating them and laying them up as
cables, the cubic crystallinity of the copper grains is disrupted,
allowing the signal to make a more graceful transit between the
amplifier and the speaker. This will result in a more accurate
presentation of the program material on the sound stage with none of
the harshness associated with granular copper stranding."

And on and on...

Nah - just use an ordinary "impedance matching 101" lecture, but

dress it up in a bunch of audiophoolese, or make it sound like a
new discovery or something.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[John Fields]

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 23:01:59 GMT, Rich Grise <null@example.net> wrote:

On Friday 17 September 2004 09:09 am, John Fields did deign to grace us with
the following:

"By soft-drawing the multiplicity of oxygen-free high-conductivity
copper strands before silver plating them and laying them up as
cables, the cubic crystallinity of the copper grains is disrupted,
allowing the signal to make a more graceful transit between the
amplifier and the speaker. This will result in a more accurate
presentation of the program material on the sound stage with none of
the harshness associated with granular copper stranding."

And on and on...

Nah - just use an ordinary "impedance matching 101" lecture, but
dress it up in a bunch of audiophoolese, or make it sound like a
new discovery or something.

---
Hey, Rich, get your own act.

--
John Fields

 

[Rich Grise]

On Saturday 18 September 2004 11:19 am, Vexator did deign to grace us with
the following:

Must the length of couple cables be identical? Could be 1 meter for right
channel and 5 meter for left channel?

thanks in advance

Oh, yes, they need to be precision matched. I can provide you a pair from

my Custom Lab for only $69.95/foot each.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 23:14:40 GMT, Rich Grise <null@example.net> wrote:

On Saturday 18 September 2004 11:19 am, Vexator did deign to grace us with
the following:

Must the length of couple cables be identical? Could be 1 meter for right
channel and 5 meter for left channel?

thanks in advance

Oh, yes, they need to be precision matched. I can provide you a pair from
my Custom Lab for only $69.95/foot each.

Cheers!
Rich

Be sure to offer them the optional head clamp, to keep the acoustic
time delay constant from the speakers to their ears. Without that, the
carefully-matched speaker cable lengths are wasted.

John

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 22:05:31 -0500, Leonard Martin
<lmarti49@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Be sure to offer them the optional head clamp, to keep the acoustic
time delay constant from the speakers to their ears. Without that, the
carefully-matched speaker cable lengths are wasted.

John


This has been hilarious!

What I don't understand--and this question also constantly comes up when
I listen to the Art Bell radio show--is don't these cable-pushers feel
ASHAMED when they lie?

Of course not; they can *hear* the difference.

The easiest person to lie to is yourself.

Is there a subculture of Americans out there who are proud
when they give no value for money paid? If so, are there lots of them?

Ummm, yes.

John

 

[Vexator]

Yep! Thanks very much Rich! That is an advantageous price.

How much to send here? If I'll buy 100 foots, do you make little discount?

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Giovanni (Italy)

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"Rich Grise" <null@example.net> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:Aj33d.681$2A1.184@trnddc08...

On Saturday 18 September 2004 11:19 am, Vexator did deign to grace us with
the following:

Must the length of couple cables be identical? Could be 1 meter for
right
channel and 5 meter for left channel?

thanks in advance

Oh, yes, they need to be precision matched. I can provide you a pair from
my Custom Lab for only $69.95/foot each.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Saturday 18 September 2004 04:07 pm, John Fields did deign to grace us
with the following:

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 23:01:59 GMT, Rich Grise <null@example.net> wrote:

On Friday 17 September 2004 09:09 am, John Fields did deign to grace us
with the following:

"By soft-drawing the multiplicity of oxygen-free high-conductivity
copper strands before silver plating them and laying them up as
cables, the cubic crystallinity of the copper grains is disrupted,
allowing the signal to make a more graceful transit between the
amplifier and the speaker. This will result in a more accurate
presentation of the program material on the sound stage with none of
the harshness associated with granular copper stranding."

And on and on...

Nah - just use an ordinary "impedance matching 101" lecture, but
dress it up in a bunch of audiophoolese, or make it sound like a
new discovery or something.

---
Hey, Rich, get your own act.

Sorry, did you already come up with this one? It wouldn't take much

to make, for example
http://contact.tm.agilent.com/Agilent/tmo/an-95-1/classes/imatch.html
totally opaque to the average consumer.

Specially designed with the latest Computer Aided Technology, straight
from the labs of the National Science Foundation - Precision Impedance-
Matched Cables, only $19.99/foot/pair. ;-)

And use two pieces of welding cable bonded together.

Anybody want to bother to look up the formula for spacing/diameter
for 8 ohms?

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Saturday 18 September 2004 08:05 pm, Leonard Martin did deign to grace us
with the following:

This has been hilarious!

What I don't understand--and this question also constantly comes up when
I listen to the Art Bell radio show--is don't these cable-pushers feel
ASHAMED when they lie? I know I do, and I had a fairly normal American
upbringing. Is there a subculture of Americans out there who are proud
when they give no value for money paid? If so, are there lots of them?
I've led a very sheltered life, I guess. Do any of you know any of them?

Leonard the Traditionally Moral

"It is morally wrong to allow a sucker to keep his money."

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22It+is+morally+wrong+to+allow+a+sucker+to+keep+his+money
%22&btnG=Search+the+Web

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Sunday 19 September 2004 12:58 am, Vexator did deign to grace us with the
following:

Yep! Thanks very much Rich! That is an advantageous price.

How much to send here? If I'll buy 100 foots, do you make little discount?

--
Yes, of course

1 - 9 feet $69.95/foot
10 - 99 feet $59.99/foot
100 - 999 feet $49.99/foot
1000 feet + $44.99/foot

Just place your order, and give me a good email, and I'll bill you by
PayPal.

I promise not to buy any new materials until your payment clears.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 05:06:01 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 22:05:31 -0500, Leonard Martin
lmarti49@bellsouth.net> wrote:


Be sure to offer them the optional head clamp, to keep the acoustic
time delay constant from the speakers to their ears. Without that, the
carefully-matched speaker cable lengths are wasted.

John


This has been hilarious!

What I don't understand--and this question also constantly comes up when
I listen to the Art Bell radio show--is don't these cable-pushers feel
ASHAMED when they lie?

Of course not; they can *hear* the difference.

The easiest person to lie to is yourself.

Is there a subculture of Americans out there who are proud
when they give no value for money paid? If so, are there lots of them?

Ummm, yes.

John
-------------
Absolutely. In America, success has become divorced from productivity,
success is now antithetical to productivity, in fact, the attitude is
that, if you produced anything (did any work for it) it was because
you were too STUPID to succeed in cheating someone out of it or
stealing it. People who have to or wsnt to actually do productive
work for a living are looked down upon as suckers. The ideal is
indolent wealth by connivasnce and trickery.

-Steve

Disagree. Historically, the least productive (warlords, kings,
landowners) got all the wealth. America is probably farthest from that
situation as any society has ever been in history.

John

 

[R. Steve Walz]

John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 05:06:01 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 22:05:31 -0500, Leonard Martin
lmarti49@bellsouth.net> wrote:


Be sure to offer them the optional head clamp, to keep the acoustic
time delay constant from the speakers to their ears. Without that, the
carefully-matched speaker cable lengths are wasted.

John


This has been hilarious!

What I don't understand--and this question also constantly comes up when
I listen to the Art Bell radio show--is don't these cable-pushers feel
ASHAMED when they lie?

Of course not; they can *hear* the difference.

The easiest person to lie to is yourself.

Is there a subculture of Americans out there who are proud
when they give no value for money paid? If so, are there lots of them?

Ummm, yes.

John
-------------
Absolutely. In America, success has become divorced from productivity,
success is now antithetical to productivity, in fact, the attitude is
that, if you produced anything (did any work for it) it was because
you were too STUPID to succeed in cheating someone out of it or
stealing it. People who have to or wsnt to actually do productive
work for a living are looked down upon as suckers. The ideal is
indolent wealth by connivasnce and trickery.

-Steve

Disagree. Historically, the least productive (warlords, kings,
landowners) got all the wealth. America is probably farthest
from that situation as any society has ever been in history.

John
-------------------

Some ways in that direction, but Europe, for example, is
MUCH farther along:

In the USA, 2% of the population own OVER 50% of EVERYTHING!

In Europe, it takes fully 30% of the population to own half
of everything!! This is a MONSTROUS difference!!

-Steve
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[John Larkin]

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 03:30:29 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 05:06:01 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 22:05:31 -0500, Leonard Martin
lmarti49@bellsouth.net> wrote:


Be sure to offer them the optional head clamp, to keep the acoustic
time delay constant from the speakers to their ears. Without that, the
carefully-matched speaker cable lengths are wasted.

John


This has been hilarious!

What I don't understand--and this question also constantly comes up when
I listen to the Art Bell radio show--is don't these cable-pushers feel
ASHAMED when they lie?

Of course not; they can *hear* the difference.

The easiest person to lie to is yourself.

Is there a subculture of Americans out there who are proud
when they give no value for money paid? If so, are there lots of them?

Ummm, yes.

John
-------------
Absolutely. In America, success has become divorced from productivity,
success is now antithetical to productivity, in fact, the attitude is
that, if you produced anything (did any work for it) it was because
you were too STUPID to succeed in cheating someone out of it or
stealing it. People who have to or wsnt to actually do productive
work for a living are looked down upon as suckers. The ideal is
indolent wealth by connivasnce and trickery.

-Steve

Disagree. Historically, the least productive (warlords, kings,
landowners) got all the wealth. America is probably farthest
from that situation as any society has ever been in history.

John
-------------------
Some ways in that direction, but Europe, for example, is
MUCH farther along:

In the USA, 2% of the population own OVER 50% of EVERYTHING!

Not difficult, when most of the population has a negative net worth.
All that credit card debt and SUV loans.

In Europe, it takes fully 30% of the population to own half
of everything!! This is a MONSTROUS difference!!

-Steve

Why do you care about productivity? I thought you wanted everybody's
hourly wages to be the same.

John