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Vexator

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Hello,
I would have a question about speakers' cable.

Many people (not only sellers) are convinced that with a special (and very
expensive) speakers' cable they get a "sound" better, many others think the
simple electric wire is same.

I wonder that's suggestion, or is truth? Are there cables better then
others? What do you think about that?

have a nice day

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Giovanni (Italy)

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Ban, thank you very much for your technical reply.

My manhood is right, my girlfriend is beautiful.... But your life, what is?
I think it's poor, otherwise you would not waste your time to write that
bosh! If you've a problem I knon a good psychiatrist!

Thanks very much again and you always help me with your wisdom, and excuse
me for my little penis.

Have a good day Ben


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Giovanni (Italy)

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"Ban" <bansuri@web.de> ha scritto nel messaggio
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Hmmmn. Vexator is described in latin as "one who distresses, a
troubler, harasser, vexer" (Lewis & Short). Does this have meaning?

1. Vexator

Much like an annoying rash that won't go away unless surgically removed.
Generally someone who resorts to the "I know you are but what am I" type
of
reply when they're feeling even slightly threatened. The Vexator being
insecure about his manhood usually brags about his car and likes to party
with his common loser friends who also don't have girlfriends.

Somebody should just shoot that poor Vexator and put him out of his
misery.

Source: StingRay, Mar 28, 2004


I think it's one of those internet games figures. But the OP might know it
better, especially as he seems fluent in Latin.

16 gauge zip cord from the hardware store will do as well as "Monster
Cable" for any speaker made for home use.

There is no non-trivial _measurable_ difference between regular
copper wire and "oxygen-free" "Monster Cable" for transmitting audio
frequency power to speakers, as long as the wire gauges are the same
size. This is true using any electronic instrument to make the
measurement. And in all true "double-blind" tests (swapping all
other components as well as the speaker wire on a random basis) of
any significant sample size, there is no "non-measurable" audible
difference as determined by "golden ears".

Of course, audiophiles are free to make up their own minds, without
the aid of science or engineering. The purpose of listening to music
is to obtain a pleasurable experience, which is inherently
subjective. Someone's listening experience may be enhanced by the
subjective satisfaction of knowing they spent $100+ USD on speaker
cables. Then, in fact, the mystical power of conspicuous consumption
is an improvement for them. Just don't call it measurable and don't
call it science.

I agree with Chris. Someone on rec.audio.high-end has put a couple of
thousand $ up in case you are able to distiguish between a RS-style
zip-chord and any high-end cable in a double blind test. This challenge
has
been up for a couple of years already, but AFAIK nobody even tried yet.
Maybe the vexator could train at home already, without girl-friend he
should
have some time at disposition.

--
ciao Ban
Bordighera, Italy
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Vexator wrote:
Ban, thank you very much for your technical reply.

My manhood is right, my girlfriend is beautiful.... But your life,
what is? I think it's poor, otherwise you would not waste your time
to write that bosh! If you've a problem I knon a good psychiatrist!

Thanks very much again and you always help me with your wisdom, and
excuse me for my little penis.

Have a good day Ben

hey,
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I just copied the second page that came up in Google
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Vexator

seems it has triggered you quite well. If you choose a name like this for
yourself, you should know the meaning apart from the personality of the
computer game, which you identify with.
:)))
ciao Ban
 
Vexator posted:

<< I would have a question about speakers' cable.

Many people (not only sellers) are convinced that with a special (and very
expensive) speakers' cable they get a "sound" better, many others think the
simple electric wire is same.

I wonder that's suggestion, or is truth? Are there cables better then
others? What do you think about that?
They are all gimmicks designed to do nothing other than to relieve you of your
money.

However.........

There is one thing you can do to reduce the potential for strong RF signals
being received on your speaker cables; tightly twist each two-wire speaker
cable through its length.

Don
 
yep! Now I understand! Sorry Ban, I've been hard with you. Again, I had not
understood.

I don't know many slang words. :)

Ciao!


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MEMENTO AVDERE SEMPER
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Vexator wrote:
Ban, thank you very much for your technical reply.

My manhood is right, my girlfriend is beautiful.... But your life,
what is? I think it's poor, otherwise you would not waste your time
to write that bosh! If you've a problem I knon a good psychiatrist!

Thanks very much again and you always help me with your wisdom, and
excuse me for my little penis.

Have a good day Ben

hey,
I just copied the second page that came up in Google
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Vexator

seems it has triggered you quite well. If you choose a name like this for
yourself, you should know the meaning apart from the personality of the
computer game, which you identify with.
:)))
ciao Ban
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thanks for reply,

They are all gimmicks designed to do nothing other than to relieve you of
your
money.
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Here we say: "furto senza passamontagna".... namely: "robbery without
balaclava".

ciao

--
MEMENTO AVDERE SEMPER
Giovanni (Italy)

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Vexator posted:

I would have a question about speakers' cable.

Many people (not only sellers) are convinced that with a special (and very
expensive) speakers' cable they get a "sound" better, many others think
the
simple electric wire is same.

I wonder that's suggestion, or is truth? Are there cables better then
others? What do you think about that?


They are all gimmicks designed to do nothing other than to relieve you of
your
money.

However.........

There is one thing you can do to reduce the potential for strong RF
signals
being received on your speaker cables; tightly twist each two-wire speaker
cable through its length.

Don
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On 16 Sep 2004 13:00:16 -0700, jeffm_@email.com (JeffM) wrote:

others?
Vexator

No. Use the fattest copper wire you have available
which is also flexible enough for the application.
At the least this will stand a lower chance of being broken.
If you are running long distances, fatter is definately better.
Any other wire characteristics for audio frequency is nonsense.
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---
For looong runs it wouldn't hurt to look at the dielectric constant of
the jacket and the spacing between conductors.

--
John Fields
 
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:13:08 -0500, John Fields wrote:

On 16 Sep 2004 13:00:16 -0700, jeffm_@email.com (JeffM) wrote:

Are [their] cables better [than] others?
Vexator

No. Use the fattest copper wire you have available
which is also flexible enough for the application.
At the least this will stand a lower chance of being broken.
If you are running long distances, fatter is definately better.
Any other wire characteristics for audio frequency is nonsense.

---
For looong runs it wouldn't hurt to look at the dielectric constant of
the jacket and the spacing between conductors.
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can you get cable made with an 8 ohm characteristic impedance?

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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:26:10 +0100, andy
<news4@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> wrote:

On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:13:08 -0500, John Fields wrote:

On 16 Sep 2004 13:00:16 -0700, jeffm_@email.com (JeffM) wrote:

Are [their] cables better [than] others?
Vexator

No. Use the fattest copper wire you have available
which is also flexible enough for the application.
At the least this will stand a lower chance of being broken.
If you are running long distances, fatter is definately better.
Any other wire characteristics for audio frequency is nonsense.

---
For looong runs it wouldn't hurt to look at the dielectric constant of
the jacket and the spacing between conductors.

can you get cable made with an 8 ohm characteristic impedance?
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Yes.

--
John Fields
 
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:21:07 GMT, "Vexator" <vexator_nospam@inwind.it>
wrote:

Hello,
I would have a question about speakers' cable.

Many people (not only sellers) are convinced that with a special (and very
expensive) speakers' cable they get a "sound" better, many others think the
simple electric wire is same.

I wonder that's suggestion, or is truth? Are there cables better then
others? What do you think about that?

have a nice day
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12/2 romex. Can't be beat.

John
 
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:48:09 -0500, John Fields wrote:

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:26:10 +0100, andy
news4@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> wrote:

On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:13:08 -0500, John Fields wrote:

On 16 Sep 2004 13:00:16 -0700, jeffm_@email.com (JeffM) wrote:

Are [their] cables better [than] others?
Vexator

No. Use the fattest copper wire you have available
which is also flexible enough for the application.
At the least this will stand a lower chance of being broken.
If you are running long distances, fatter is definately better.
Any other wire characteristics for audio frequency is nonsense.

---
For looong runs it wouldn't hurt to look at the dielectric constant of
the jacket and the spacing between conductors.

can you get cable made with an 8 ohm characteristic impedance?

---
Yes.
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I was wondering about whether I could make my fortune trying to kid
audiophiles that it made a difference to their sound quality, that's all.

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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 02:56:34 +0100, andy
<news4@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> wrote:


I was wondering about whether I could make my fortune trying to kid
audiophiles that it made a difference to their sound quality, that's all.
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Sure; it's easy.

All you have to do is come up with some authoritative sounding
techno-babble liberally sprinkled with musical-sounding crap:

"By soft-drawing the multiplicity of oxygen-free high-conductivity
copper strands before silver plating them and laying them up as
cables, the cubic crystallinity of the copper grains is disrupted,
allowing the signal to make a more graceful transit between the
amplifier and the speaker. This will result in a more accurate
presentation of the program material on the sound stage with none of
the harshness associated with granular copper stranding."

And on and on...

--
John Fields
 
"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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can you get cable made with an 8 ohm characteristic impedance?

---
Yes.
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But why in the world would you WANT such
a thing?

Bob M.
 
In article <mvG2d.11040$0D7.6979@news.cpqcorp.net>,
nospamplease@address.invalid says...
"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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can you get cable made with an 8 ohm characteristic impedance?

---
Yes.

But why in the world would you WANT such
a thing?
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I thought John Fields answered that question rather well.

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Keith
 
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:26:10 +0100, andy
<news4@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> wrote:

can you get cable made with an 8 ohm characteristic impedance?
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0 Ohm in the cable is always best.
 
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:22:52 +0200, Ken <___ken3@telia.com> wrote:

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:26:10 +0100, andy
news4@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> wrote:

can you get cable made with an 8 ohm characteristic impedance?

0 Ohm in the cable is always best.
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But you can't get it...

--
John Fields
 
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:45:23 -0500, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

can you get cable made with an 8 ohm characteristic impedance?

0 Ohm in the cable is always best.

But you can't get it...
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Almost, but they are VERY expensive and thick.
 
"Ken" <___ken3@telia.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:26:10 +0100, andy
news4@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> wrote:

can you get cable made with an 8 ohm characteristic impedance?

0 Ohm in the cable is always best.
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Zero ohm characteristic impedance would be somewhat
problematic - to put it mildly - in any situation where this
parameter is actually of concern.

Bob M.
 
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:09:50 -0500, John Fields wrote:

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 02:56:34 +0100, andy
news4@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> wrote:


I was wondering about whether I could make my fortune trying to kid
audiophiles that it made a difference to their sound quality, that's all.

---
Sure; it's easy.

All you have to do is come up with some authoritative sounding
techno-babble liberally sprinkled with musical-sounding crap:

"By soft-drawing the multiplicity of oxygen-free high-conductivity
copper strands before silver plating them and laying them up as
cables, the cubic crystallinity of the copper grains is disrupted,
allowing the signal to make a more graceful transit between the
amplifier and the speaker. This will result in a more accurate
presentation of the program material on the sound stage with none of
the harshness associated with granular copper stranding."

And on and on...
Click to expand...
how about:

'When NASA were deciding how to convey transmissions from astronauts on
board the space shuttle, they opted for the solution of cylindrically
embedded cable technology to carry signals between the various parts of
their apparatus, thus reducing bounce and scatter at the cable interfaces.
Our engineers have skilfully refined this technology for the audio arena;
our CECT cables are designed to be perfectly matched to the expected
impedance of your high fidelity speakers. No more bounce and scatter.'

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"Ken" <___ken3@telia.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:45:23 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

can you get cable made with an 8 ohm characteristic impedance?

0 Ohm in the cable is always best.

But you can't get it...

Almost, but they are VERY expensive and thick.
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In which case they should appeal to just about every audio nut out there!

And now a new business; great big zero ohm connectors for your zero ohm
cables, only 50 (enter your local monetary unit) each!

I swear I'm in the wrong business!
 
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