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[Michael A. Covington]

"John Miller" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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Michael A. Covington wrote:
Sadly, there are those who view sniping as a sport (a kind of racing) and
who have lost sight of the real purpose of the auction.

Let's be fair, Michael. We know you don't like sniping, but I can't
imagine
anyone sniping just for the sport of it, whose real purpose isn't to buy
something. (Oh, I can imagine it, but we also have to know that kind of
behavior is pretty self-limiting.)

People told me they did that, when I was gathering information to advise the
people at Astromart. I was surprised.

Don't think for a minute that I prefer it that way, but the world is what
it
is, and not always what we would wish for it to be.

But there's more than one way to run an auction, and we shouldn't assume
eBay has it perfect.

 

[Dave Platt]

In article <4123efda$1@mustang.speedfactory.net>,
Michael A. Covington <look@ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote:

And that's the long and short of it: You anti-sniping folks are crying
because you got something taken away from you by someone who knew what
they wanted, knew what it was worth to them, and wanted it worse than
you did. Get over it.

Er... Can't we say the same to YOU? If you know what you're willing to pay,
why do you snipe?

Because, I think, that doing a snipe (with a value of "the maximum I'm
actually willing to pay") generates a higher number of wins, and a
lower average winning bid, than doing a non-snipe with exactly the
same value.

The reason is that many competing bidders do *not* follow the eBay
recommendation of "bid your maximum" - they try to game the bids in
real time, and they tend to get caught up in emotional bidding wars.

Against competitors who follow the "know what it's worth to you; bid
that much, and no more" rule, sniping is powerless.

Against competitors who don't follow this rule, sniping raises your
chances of winning (because competitors don't have an opportunity to
bid up), and can also reduce your costs (because competitors are less
likely to be stimulated into a feeding-frenzy bid-it-up battle).

Sniping also gives you additional time to do research (deciding what
the item is actually worth) or look for alternatives (e.g.
newly-listed items which you'd prefer to wait for).

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[John Miller]

Michael A. Covington wrote:

But there's more than one way to run an auction, and we shouldn't assume
eBay has it perfect.

Absolutely. And if your notion is more acceptable to the marketplace, it's
a grand opportunity for someone (maybe you) to become a billionaire by
starting an auction site with that superior business model, and gaining
more market share than eBay.

--
John Miller
Email address: domain, n4vu.com; username, jsm

Ignorance is never out of style. It was in fashion yesterday, it is the
rage today, and it will set the pace tomorrow.
-Franklin K. Dane

 

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[John Miller]

Michael A. Covington wrote to Dave Platt:

So you should snipe, and we should not?

Not very Kantian...

It *is* an individual choice, after all...

--
John Miller
Email address: domain, n4vu.com; username, jsm

Absence diminishes mediocre passions and increases great ones, as the wind
blows out candles and fans fires.
-La Rochefoucauld

 

[Dave Platt]

In article <41240699$1@mustang.speedfactory.net>,
Michael A. Covington <look@ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote:

"Dave Platt" <dplatt@radagast.org> wrote in message
news:10i7sfrorfghq64@corp.supernews.com...

And that's the long and short of it: You anti-sniping folks are crying
because you got something taken away from you by someone who knew what
they wanted, knew what it was worth to them, and wanted it worse than
you did. Get over it.

Er... Can't we say the same to YOU? If you know what you're willing to
pay,
why do you snipe?

Because, I think, that doing a snipe (with a value of "the maximum I'm
actually willing to pay") generates a higher number of wins, and a
lower average winning bid, than doing a non-snipe with exactly the
same value.

So you should snipe, and we should not?

That's not at all what I said, sir. Please don't put words in my mouth.

If you read back through my postings, you'll see that I wasn't telling
you (or anyone) not to snipe.

I've pointed out that if you DON'T snipe, and if you DON'T follow the
"make your best, real bid" advice from eBay, then you are putting
yourself at a disadvantage against snipers and other late bidders.
That's neither a prescription nor a directive... it's just a statement
of what I believe to be fact.

Not very Kantian...

Your _interpretation_ of my words has a non-Kantian cast, it's true,
but since that wasn't my intent, it's not terribly relevant.

Sniping software is available to everybody, sniping can be done
manually with nothing other than a web browser and a decent watch, and
(as I see it) the playing field is entirely level. The Categorial
Imperative applies fully, I believe.

If you _choose_ not to snipe, or to enter lower-value bids rather than
what you're willing to pay, that's entirely your voluntary choice.
You're welcome to whatever advantages this gives you, and you should
accept whatever disadvantages come with this strategy.

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[Michael A. Covington]

"Dave Platt" <dplatt@radagast.org> wrote in message
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Sniping software is available to everybody, sniping can be done
manually with nothing other than a web browser and a decent watch, and
(as I see it) the playing field is entirely level. The Categorial
Imperative applies fully, I believe.

OK, then why don't we petition eBay to change over to a completely
sealed-bid format (with the proviso that the second highest bid determines
the selling price, rather than the highest as in a true sealed-bid auction).
That would work exactly like a perfectly efficient sniping system, and it
would save everybody a lot of trouble.

 

[Dave Platt]

In article <412439fd$1@mustang.speedfactory.net>,
Michael A. Covington <look@ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote:

Sniping software is available to everybody, sniping can be done
manually with nothing other than a web browser and a decent watch, and
(as I see it) the playing field is entirely level. The Categorial
Imperative applies fully, I believe.

OK, then why don't we petition eBay to change over to a completely
sealed-bid format (with the proviso that the second highest bid determines
the selling price, rather than the highest as in a true sealed-bid auction).
That would work exactly like a perfectly efficient sniping system, and it
would save everybody a lot of trouble.

"What you mean _we_, white man?"

More seriously... go right ahead and petition, Michael. They might
listen. I really doubt it, given their size and the fact that they
seem to be quite satisfied with their approach, but I'm quite willing
to be proven wrong.

My own personal feeling is that you (and others) are engaged in a
somewhat quixotic quest here. You're trying to persuade eBay (or some
other site) that there is One True Right And Best Way to run auctions,
based on your own (subjective) analysis of the situation. I don't
believe that the object of your desire exists... there _is_ no single
auction system which you can conclusively prove is "best". All you
can say is that various sets of auction rules exist, and that each of
them has certain advantages and disadvantages for the various parties
who participate in the auctions. You can only argue superiority vs.
inferiority based on a starting set of axioms about what's "best", and
these axioms can't be proven.

A "sealed bid, winner pays second-highest bid plus minimum increment
at that level" would certainly have some advantages for some parties.
It would add the sort of sense-of-fairness that you seem to desire,
and it would (as you note) eliminate the advantages of sniping over
non-sniping. That might be good.

On the other hand, it would eliminate feeding-frenzy bidding wars,
which would probably be good for buyers as a group, bad for sellers,
and bad for eBay (all for the same reason: it'd lower the average
winning bid by some amount). It'd also remove the sense of
gambling-excitement which some customers seem to feel (or crave?) and
might reduce eBay's attractiveness to people who go in for gambling.

Due to the fact that this rules change could have a negative effect on
eBay's bottom line, I doubt that you'll persuade them to accept it.

If you truly feel that there's a different set of auction rules which
result in a superior system, do what eBay did - go out and create a
system which uses them, publicize it, and support it. If it's really
superior, in the eyes of the public, it might win business away from
eBay.

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[Don Bruder]

In article <10i7ai5jnntfn77@corp.supernews.com>,
dplatt@radagast.org (Dave Platt) wrote:

In article <LbNUc.8416$54.122899@typhoon.sonic.net>,
Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote:

<snipped most of it - I agree completely. Just think a couple places cry
out for some commentary.>

Therefore, I figure out what I'm willing to pay when I find a listing
that interests me, then I sit back until a second or two before the end
of the auction, and drop that amount in as a bid. So far, I've never
paid more than I valued the item at, and have never been "out-sniped".

My own feelings, and my own experience are similar to yours. I do use
sniping software, to avoid triggering peoples' "bidding war" instincts.

That right there is the key - I'm not interested in triggering a bidding
frenzy. I look once, find out what I need to know, and then wait until
the auction is almost over. Look in an hour or so before the end to see
what's happened with bidding since I first spotted it, decide if my bid
is sufficient, and if it is, wait for the end and bid it. If someone
else has triggered a frenzy that's taken the item outside my range -
Pfft... Somebody will list another one.

And, let's also note that using sniping works to the *dis*advantage
of a sniper who doesn't think his/her "maximum bid" value out very
carefully in advance. If you set your snipe time very close to the
limit (so that it's a true snipe and not just a last-minute bid), and
you don't exceed an earlier bidder's high limit, you have *no* time to
react and re-bid.

Absolutely correct. Know what it's worth to you. Bid it. If you think
it's worth enough, you'll take it. Sorta "The Price Is Right"-ish The
critical concept being "What is it worth *TO YOU*?"

Most of the things I snipe are quite pricey on the retail market, due to
them being in fairly short (or in some cases, nonexistent) supply. I
know what it would cost me to get the item retail, assuming I can get
them at all. I frequently get them for less than a third of retail, and
have gotten things that simply can't be had through retail because
nobody knows where to find them. But SOMEBODY had one in the junkbox in
the garage, or somebody's grandfather died and left them the auto parts
store, or..., and they put it up on eBay.

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[Don Bruder]

In article <4123efda$1@mustang.speedfactory.net>,
"Michael A. Covington" <look@ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote:

"Don Bruder" <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:LbNUc.8416$54.122899@typhoon.sonic.net...

Therefore, I figure out what I'm willing to pay when I find a listing
that interests me, then I sit back until a second or two before the end
of the auction, and drop that amount in as a bid. So far, I've never
paid more than I valued the item at, and have never been "out-sniped".

Those of you crying foul overhaving an item sniped out from under you...
"Too bad, so sad". You should have bid what you were willing to pay, and
made sure that amount was more than what I was willing to pay.

And that's the long and short of it: You anti-sniping folks are crying
because you got something taken away from you by someone who knew what
they wanted, knew what it was worth to them, and wanted it worse than
you did. Get over it.

Er... Can't we say the same to YOU? If you know what you're willing to pay,
why do you snipe? Why don't you do what you're telling us to do?

First: Sure, you COULD say the same to me - except for one minor detail:
I now own the item, and you don't. So saying anything like that seems
rather pointless. Why should I "get over" getting exactly what I wanted?

Second: See my other message in this thread. In a nutshell: Just because
I'm WILLING to pay $X doesn't mean I *WANT* to pay $X. If I can get it
for less by sniping (which I have in all cases so far - I'm *CERTAIN*
the one that fails is coming somewhere in my future, but that hasn't
happened yet) because my interest doesn't trigger somebody into either
"mothing" me up to $X or beyond, then I'm going to do so.

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[Don Bruder]

In article <41240699$1@mustang.speedfactory.net>,
"Michael A. Covington" <look@ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote:

"Dave Platt" <dplatt@radagast.org> wrote in message
news:10i7sfrorfghq64@corp.supernews.com...

And that's the long and short of it: You anti-sniping folks are crying
because you got something taken away from you by someone who knew what
they wanted, knew what it was worth to them, and wanted it worse than
you did. Get over it.

Er... Can't we say the same to YOU? If you know what you're willing to
pay,
why do you snipe?

Because, I think, that doing a snipe (with a value of "the maximum I'm
actually willing to pay") generates a higher number of wins, and a
lower average winning bid, than doing a non-snipe with exactly the
same value.

So you should snipe, and we should not?

???????

Where do you get that concept??? What'd I miss?

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[Don Bruder]

In article <412439fd$1@mustang.speedfactory.net>,
"Michael A. Covington" <look@ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote:

"Dave Platt" <dplatt@radagast.org> wrote in message
news:10i8d9fo3r5h7e8@corp.supernews.com...

Sniping software is available to everybody, sniping can be done
manually with nothing other than a web browser and a decent watch, and
(as I see it) the playing field is entirely level. The Categorial
Imperative applies fully, I believe.

OK, then why don't we petition eBay to change over to a completely
sealed-bid format (with the proviso that the second highest bid determines
the selling price, rather than the highest as in a true sealed-bid auction).
That would work exactly like a perfectly efficient sniping system, and it
would save everybody a lot of trouble.

I've often thought the same, to be honest. Especially when I'm waiting
on an auction to finish so I have the part I need for the car at
(typically) less than a third, often less than a fifth of the retail
price, even with any shipping figured in.

But I bet revenue would fall flat on its face if eBay switched to that
type of auction officially.

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[Michael A. Covington]

"Dave Platt" <dplatt@radagast.org> wrote in message
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My own personal feeling is that you (and others) are engaged in a
somewhat quixotic quest here. You're trying to persuade eBay (or some
other site) that there is One True Right And Best Way to run auctions,

eBay already offers some alternatives, such as reserve auctions; maybe
they'll offer another.

What I *actually* advocate is eliminating sniping by automatically extending
the auction as long as bids are going up sufficiently fast. That's how
real, live auctioneers work.

eBay could offer this as an alternative, too, and let people choose it if
they want.

A "sealed bid, winner pays second-highest bid plus minimum increment
at that level" would certainly have some advantages for some parties.
It would add the sort of sense-of-fairness that you seem to desire,
and it would (as you note) eliminate the advantages of sniping over
non-sniping. That might be good.

On the other hand, it would eliminate feeding-frenzy bidding wars,
which would probably be good for buyers as a group, bad for sellers,
and bad for eBay (all for the same reason: it'd lower the average
winning bid by some amount).

But sniping already eliminates that. With auto-sniping, you can't see other
people bidding against you.

It'd also remove the sense of
gambling-excitement which some customers seem to feel (or crave?) and
might reduce eBay's attractiveness to people who go in for gambling.

Yes... people have told me they enjoy the game of sniping. But auto-sniping
software is eliminating that game, too.

If you truly feel that there's a different set of auction rules which
result in a superior system, do what eBay did - go out and create a
system which uses them, publicize it, and support it. If it's really
superior, in the eyes of the public, it might win business away from
eBay.

Been there, done that... www.astromart.com. I was involved in helping
them design their auction system. It's mainly for amateur astronomy,
though; there isn't much non-astronomical merchandise.

At this point it's getting repetitious. This has been a long thread. I
encourage people who tuned in late to look back over it.

VY 73
N4TMI

 

[Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su]

"John Miller" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:
Why should it be? You place your maximum (sensible, informed) bid,
come
back after the auction has ended, and find out if you won. What
diff
does it make if bidders wait to the last millisecond to bid?

Because if it's an in-demand item and you place your max bid days or
hours
before the end, and it's a sensible bid (as opposed to unreasonably
high),
the probability of losing is pretty high. Why? Because visibilty of
your
bid provides other people, who may not have your good judgment
regarding a
reasonable max price, with the opportunity to bid the item up to an
unreasonable amount.

Your maximum bid isn't visible.

There is no "sensible bid (as opposed to unreasonably high)" A bid is a
reflection of what you're willing to pay. If one bidder is willing to
pay twice as much for an item, it wasn't unreasonably high to him.

The probability of losing by sniping is pretty high. All he gets to see
is that he's lost the bid later.

Fools who don't have your good judgment should be allowed to bid the
item up to as much as they want to pay (hey, it's an auction!), and if
they pay too much, that's okay. A fool ans his money are soon parted.

--
John Miller

 

[John Miller]

Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:

Your maximum bid isn't visible.

Never said it was. Please re-read.

--
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Email address: domain, n4vu.com; username, jsm

Wanna buy a duck?

 

[Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su]

"Michael A. Covington" <look@ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote in message
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"Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com
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"Michael A. Covington" <look@ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote in
message
news:41229583@mustang.speedfactory.net...

But how could sniping be eliminated?

As I said a while back, do what www.astromart.com does and do what
real
auctioneers do: Extend the bidding as long as the bids are still
going
up by
more than a specified small percentage. Instead of stopping at a
prearranged time, you stop as soon after that time as the bidding
actually
stops.

But what is this supposed to accomplish? Take away the advantage of
sniping? Looks to me that they don't really have that much of an
advantage, because they still have to do what the other bidders to,
bid
a maximum amount they're willing to pay. They, too, must wait until
the
auction is over to find out who won.

Why do traditional auctioneers do it? Because it leads to higher
selling
prices.

And it does that by making it a completely open auction. Some people
are
willing to pay more if they *know* that others are willing to pay
more.

Also, people who are inexperienced in a particular field want to see
each
other's bids, to help them judge what something is worth on the open
market.

eBay pretends to be an open auction, but because of sniping, it works
like a
sealed-bid auction (except that the second-highest bid actually sets
the
price). If sniping is welcome, eBay should perhaps abandon all
pretense of
being an open auction.

But Ebay is Ebay, and everyone has to play by their rules.

Sellers have some options, too. They can put a reserve on the item.
They can do a minimum bid. They can do 'buy it now'. Snipers can't do
anything about those things. That's why they probably don't snipe those
items.

Mike, I see you're trying to make a point, but what is this supposed to
do? Is it supposed to take away buyers' advantages and give them to the
seller? Or is it supposed to take away the sniper's advantages and give
them to the other buyers? What is this 'wrong' that you're trying to
right?

 

[Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su]

"Don Bruder" <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote in message
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In article <41237ab7@mustang.speedfactory.net>,
"Michael A. Covington" <look@ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote:

Sadly, there are those who view sniping as a sport (a kind of
racing) and
who have lost sight of the real purpose of the auction. Sorry, I
don't go
to eBay to play sniping games... I go there to buy and sell things.

Which is precisely the reason I am, and will continue to be, a sniper.

I'm not interested in bidding games. I want the item. I know what it's
worth to me. I could care less what it's worth to you. And I damn well
don't care at all if some poor seller doesn't get top-dollar for a
"commodity" item.

Therefore, I figure out what I'm willing to pay when I find a listing
that interests me, then I sit back until a second or two before the
end
of the auction, and drop that amount in as a bid. So far, I've never
paid more than I valued the item at, and have never been "out-sniped".

Those of you crying foul overhaving an item sniped out from under
you...
"Too bad, so sad". You should have bid what you were willing to pay,
and
made sure that amount was more than what I was willing to pay.

And that's the long and short of it: You anti-sniping folks are crying
because you got something taken away from you by someone who knew what
they wanted, knew what it was worth to them, and wanted it worse than
you did. Get over it.

--
Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net

I think most of the whining is because the bidders have their hopes
dashed at the last moment.

Well, DUH!

If you really wanted the item that bad, you should've bid more for it!

 

[Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su]

"Michael A. Covington" <look@ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote in message
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"John Miller" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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Michael A. Covington wrote:
Sadly, there are those who view sniping as a sport (a kind of
racing) and
who have lost sight of the real purpose of the auction.

Let's be fair, Michael. We know you don't like sniping, but I can't
imagine
anyone sniping just for the sport of it, whose real purpose isn't to
buy
something. (Oh, I can imagine it, but we also have to know that
kind of
behavior is pretty self-limiting.)

People told me they did that, when I was gathering information to
advise the
people at Astromart. I was surprised.


Don't think for a minute that I prefer it that way, but the world is
what
it
is, and not always what we would wish for it to be.

But there's more than one way to run an auction, and we shouldn't
assume
eBay has it perfect.

Perfect? No. Good enough? Well, the easy way to judge that is now big
a share of the online market ebay has. Just about all of it, so ebay
has it good ebough.

When you can say that about astromart, then we'll start believing you.
But loing before that time, ebay will add a choice for the seller to
make, whether he wants to extend the ending time. And people than can
make their own choices
on ebay.

 

[Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su]

"Dave Platt" <dplatt@radagast.org> wrote in message
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In article <4123efda$1@mustang.speedfactory.net>,
Michael A. Covington <look@ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote:

And that's the long and short of it: You anti-sniping folks are
crying
because you got something taken away from you by someone who knew
what
they wanted, knew what it was worth to them, and wanted it worse
than
you did. Get over it.

Er... Can't we say the same to YOU? If you know what you're willing
to pay,
why do you snipe?

Because, I think, that doing a snipe (with a value of "the maximum I'm
actually willing to pay") generates a higher number of wins, and a
lower average winning bid, than doing a non-snipe with exactly the
same value.

I don't think the diff is enough to make it worthwhile. There are other
factors that are more important. Choosing a seller that doesn't accept
Paypal usually gets you a lot lower bid. But you may have to go to the
P.O. and buy a a money order. Etc., Etc. Etc.

The reason is that many competing bidders do *not* follow the eBay
recommendation of "bid your maximum" - they try to game the bids in
real time, and they tend to get caught up in emotional bidding wars.

It's an AUCTION! DUH!

Against competitors who follow the "know what it's worth to you; bid
that much, and no more" rule, sniping is powerless.

Excellent point.

Against competitors who don't follow this rule, sniping raises your
chances of winning (because competitors don't have an opportunity to
bid up),

Not true! YOU don't have the opportunity to join the bidding war! It
*goes on* without you!

and can also reduce your costs (because competitors are less
likely to be stimulated into a feeding-frenzy bid-it-up battle).

No, competitors still are competitors, just that YOU are not one of
them!

Yes, it will still reduce your costs, because you lost the auction!

Sniping also gives you additional time to do research (deciding what
the item is actually worth) or look for alternatives (e.g.
newly-listed items which you'd prefer to wait for).

Adding an auction to your watch list gives you time.

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[Martin Postranecky]

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004, Herbert West wrote :
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I need to fabricate adaptors for PLC packages and discrete parts to
fit standard DIP sockets. Unfortunately, I have not yet been able to
find suitable headers to use as pins for these adaptors.

See :
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http://www.e-tec.ch/v2/IC_products_Choise.htm

They are the best ( if expensive ...)