So you want a level playing field Mr. Harvey?

[me here]

terryc wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:
"terryc" <newsninespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
news:ig3mee$rs7$2@news.eternal-september.org...
Trevor Wilson wrote:
I saved a grand total of around $2.50.
Sales tax was on the wholesale price and not the retail price

**I am well aware of that. In fact, THAT was my point. Tandy were
fiddling the books.

In those days of protected import channels lots of companies made
HUGE markups. This was a fact that Gerry Harvey used to offer cheaper
prices when he started musceling in on the established stores with
his warehouse style store.

It's funny how those warehouse type stores eventually finish up as main
stream stores and then winge at firms like MSY for doing exactly what
they did in the beginning.

IT Warehouse is another one that did well as a warehouse and now seems
to be struggling as a regular store. I used to really like wandering
through the rack shelving on the plain concrete floor looking at the
steel racks full of boxes and boxes of loose hard drives, web cams,
video cards etc.

Far cry from the pressure cooker bullshit agents in places like Hardly
Normal posing as IT sellers these days.

--

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2011-01-06, Rob <mesamine@gmail.com> wrote:

How come we can buy from the US cheaper than here, even if postage,GST
and duties are added? (Even when the dollar was at 80 cents.) That's
not China BTW and they have to support the US government with duties etc.

US website does not offer "60 months intrese free terms"

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[terryc]

me here wrote:

Australia Post seems to be trying to rub out the independent parcel
delivery guys these days.

I used to get stuff delivered by independents s

It has nothing to do with AP, but the fact that most couriers are
franchise holders for the bigger courier companies. They just collect
and deliver to their area and feed in or collect from the "regional
centre(meeting place). hare for an independent to find enough local work.

 

[terryc]

keithr wrote:

The coal exporters used to do this in reverse. sold their product at a
low price to subsidiaries overseas who onsold it at the correct world
price, thus avoiding paying full royalty.

How long ago was that?
Royalty was paid on ampount extracted, like 20c a ton(70's).

 

[Peter Jason]

Mr Harvey and similar paper-shuffling Gods' Chosen really
know how to squeal when others do to them as they do to
others. The GST is irrelevant in this matter because it's
only 10% - a flea-bite compared to the net saving on online
purchases. Mr Harvey and his sort are going the very
way of most of this countries manufacturers, which is "going
offshore". Suffer baby!

Shadenfeude!

 

[Petzl]

On 6 Jan 2011 10:18:42 GMT, Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:

On 2011-01-06, Rob <mesamine@gmail.com> wrote:

How come we can buy from the US cheaper than here, even if postage,GST
and duties are added? (Even when the dollar was at 80 cents.) That's
not China BTW and they have to support the US government with duties etc.

US website does not offer "60 months intrese free terms"

Don't be fooled
They charge a $$$$$$ account keeping fee instead which is around 3
times what one would pay using a Visa/Mastercard
--
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In aus.computers Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
....

Don't be fooled
They charge a $$$$$$ account keeping fee instead which is around 3
times what one would pay using a Visa/Mastercard

I remember one of those evening newstainment shows interviewing
Ger about his "no money to pay for a year" plans and he
saying he'd never use them because there were not good deals.

--
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basic results of multivariate decision theory?

 

[fritz]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message news:8okr7rFdl0U1@mid.individual.net...

Tom wrote
Don McKenzie wrote

You can sell to the European Union and save them 20% VAT.
You can sell to New Zealand and save them 15% GST.

Don't know about NZ but most EU countries will charge the receiver with VAT/duties.

No they dont.

Yes they do.
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/index_en.htm

For example, to buy a Rigol LCD-based DSO from China or the USA, you have to pay VAT but no duty.
To import a real CRO (with a CRT), you have to pay VAT plus 4% duty.
In Germany the VAT is 19%.

I've sent a few presents there, kids toys and clothes went ok but a $100 laptop style DVD player attracted VAT and duty before
the parcel was delivered. On other hand $50 RC helicopter was free from government greed.

So clearly most dont incur VAT and duty.

Only if they are below about 50 Euro in declared value.

 

[fritz]

"Don McKenzie" <5V@2.5A> wrote in message news:8ok8d1Ff92U1@mid.individual.net...

So you want a level playing field Mr. Harvey?

Here is what you do:
Sell on-line to over 200 countries, but don't charge them the Australian 10% GST. And it is legal.

You can sell to the European Union and save them 20% VAT.

No you can't, unless the value is less than 50 or so Euro.
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/index_en.htm

You can sell to New Zealand and save them 15% GST.

Boy, what a big kick start this will be for you.

But your prices will have to be competitive, as they buy from the same shop you do. It's called China.
And your shipping costs will have to be competitive too, otherwise there will be no advantage for them to buy from you.

NOTE *** These comments apply only to what I consider low value goods. Under $1000AUD.

Cheers Don...


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[fritz]

"Don McKenzie" <5V@2.5A> wrote in message news:8okqhgFas6U1@mid.individual.net...

On 6/01/2011 2:00 PM, Gillard = Rudd in a frock wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 09:07:27 +1100, Don McKenzie<5V@2.5A> wrote:

So you want a level playing field Mr. Harvey?

Here is what you do:
Sell on-line to over 200 countries, but don't charge them the Australian 10% GST. And it is legal.

You can sell to the European Union and save them 20% VAT.
You can sell to New Zealand and save them 15% GST.

How do you know that these countries will not have to pay GST on these
imports?

There is no way they have to pay Australian GST, as there is no mechanism in place to collect this tax for the Australian Tax
Office.

However there may be tax and duties payable in the country you are exporting to.
Countries like India, and Brazil are bad, as they generally hit all imports hard. Brazil often wants up to 100% tax. India seems
to change the rules depending on the colour of the customs officer's hair.

Most other countries ignore values less than $100, as it is a matter of how much you spend collecting such a small amount for tax
purposes.

The EU countries all charge their own version of GST plus duty if applicable. The Poms have just put up
their GST to 20%. Germany has charged 19% for many years. You have to search the customs data to
see if what you are importing attracts duty as well.
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/index_en.htm

Cheers Don...



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[Don McKenzie]

On 8/01/2011 9:10 AM, fritz wrote:

The EU countries all charge their own version of GST plus duty if applicable. The Poms have just put up
their GST to 20%. Germany has charged 19% for many years. You have to search the customs data to
see if what you are importing attracts duty as well.
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/index_en.htm

Thanks Fritz,

a good reference site.

I saw the Taxation: Commission launches debate on the future of Value Added Tax (VAT) document is available in HTML,
PDF, and DOC, and all in a choice of 22 languages.

After a lot of looking, I found the pdf for VAT rates:
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/resources/documents/taxation/vat/how_vat_works/rates/vat_rates_en.pdf

WOW!
25% for Denmark, and Sweden.
This is a joke, right?

Cheers Don...



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[Don McKenzie]

On 8/01/2011 9:04 AM, fritz wrote:

"Don McKenzie"<5V@2.5A> wrote in message news:8ok8d1Ff92U1@mid.individual.net...
So you want a level playing field Mr. Harvey?

Here is what you do:
Sell on-line to over 200 countries, but don't charge them the Australian 10% GST. And it is legal.

You can sell to the European Union and save them 20% VAT.

No you can't, unless the value is less than 50 or so Euro.
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/index_en.htm

correcto-mondo Fritz

yes it has to be of low value. I am just checking that site out you gave, to see if we have a pdf that covers all countries.

Cheers Don...




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[fritz]

"Don McKenzie" <5V@2.5A> wrote in message news:8opiu1Frq1U1@mid.individual.net...

On 8/01/2011 9:10 AM, fritz wrote:

The EU countries all charge their own version of GST plus duty if applicable. The Poms have just put up
their GST to 20%. Germany has charged 19% for many years. You have to search the customs data to
see if what you are importing attracts duty as well.
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/index_en.htm

Thanks Fritz,

a good reference site.

I saw the Taxation: Commission launches debate on the future of Value Added Tax (VAT) document is available in HTML, PDF, and DOC,
and all in a choice of 22 languages.

After a lot of looking, I found the pdf for VAT rates:
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/resources/documents/taxation/vat/how_vat_works/rates/vat_rates_en.pdf

WOW!
25% for Denmark, and Sweden.
This is a joke, right?

Cheers Don...

More than a few EU countries have max. 25% VAT, but they all have different sub-rates and exemptions etc. for
things like nappies .....

In Germany the tax/duties have to be paid either in advance (hardly ever happens that way, all Internet suppliers
disclaim responsibility) or when you collect the goods. Usually, they will be delivered to your door together with
a customs assessment, which you have to pay on the spot. If you have done your homework and told the supplier
the relevant TARIC code to put on the delivery docket, you will avoid any hassles. For example, if I wanted to buy
a Rigol DSO from a Hong Kong internet supplier, I would have to quote the relevant TARIC code from :
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/measures.jsp?Lang=en&SimDate=20101221&Area=HK&Taric=9030200000&LangDescr=en
I can't avoid the 19% German VAT (MWST in Kraut-speak!), but I could avoid an extra 4% duty by noting that the
Rigol is not a 'CRT oscilloscope', it is an 'electronic oscilloscope'. Such is the crap in the detail of GST laws everywhere.

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[Rod Speed]

fritz wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Tom wrote
Don McKenzie wrote

You can sell to the European Union and save them 20% VAT.
You can sell to New Zealand and save them 15% GST.

Don't know about NZ but most EU countries will charge the receiver with VAT/duties.

No they dont.

Yes they do.
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/index_en.htm

No they dont in the sense of charging that on all transactions, regardless of how low value they are.

They dont for example charge that in stuff you bring in with you on a plane flight etc.

They have exemptions, just like we do.

For example, to buy a Rigol LCD-based DSO from China or the USA, you have to pay VAT but no duty. To import a real CRO
(with a CRT), you have to pay VAT plus 4% duty.

Not on every transaction.

In Germany the VAT is 19%.

I've sent a few presents there, kids toys and clothes went ok but a
$100 laptop style DVD player attracted VAT and duty before the
parcel was delivered. On other hand $50 RC helicopter was free from
government greed.

So clearly most dont incur VAT and duty.

Only if they are below about 50 Euro in declared value.

Same with us. The only thing that varys is the value below which they dont bother.

And it isnt universally 50 euro either.

 

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[fritz]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message news:8opti6FihsU1@mid.individual.net...

fritz wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Tom wrote
Don McKenzie wrote

You can sell to the European Union and save them 20% VAT.
You can sell to New Zealand and save them 15% GST.

Don't know about NZ but most EU countries will charge the receiver with VAT/duties.

No they dont.

Yes they do.
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/index_en.htm

No they dont in the sense of charging that on all transactions, regardless of how low value they are.

They dont for example charge that in stuff you bring in with you on a plane flight etc.

They have exemptions, just like we do.

I thought the thread topic was buying on the internet, not passenger allowances.
Passenger allowances are completely different from the import regulations.

For example, to buy a Rigol LCD-based DSO from China or the USA, you have to pay VAT but no duty. To import a real CRO (with a
CRT), you have to pay VAT plus 4% duty.

Not on every transaction.

You will have to pay 19% VAT on any oscilloscope imported into the EU . The extra 4% duty is just for CRT CRO's.

In Germany the VAT is 19%.

I've sent a few presents there, kids toys and clothes went ok but a
$100 laptop style DVD player attracted VAT and duty before the
parcel was delivered. On other hand $50 RC helicopter was free from
government greed.

So clearly most dont incur VAT and duty.

Only if they are below about 50 Euro in declared value.

Same with us. The only thing that varys is the value below which they dont bother.

And it isnt universally 50 euro either.

No, that's a ballpark figure. The exemptions kick in when the duty payable would be
less than a certain amount, which varies according to the goods.
I can tell you with absolute certainty that you will pay 19% VAT on an item like a Rigol DSO,
which comes from outside the EU because I have asked Customs that exact question,
based on a value of USD400.
One exemption is if you are a salesman and you are importing samples - special
allowances apply. But if you try that as a scam and they find out you could get a 50k fine.

http://www.zoll.de/english_version/faq/b0_customs_procedures/index.html#customs_procedures15
http://www.zoll.de/english_version/faq/a0_passenger_traffic/b0_non_ec_countries/index.html#non_ec_countries1

 

[Rod Speed]

fritz wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
fritz wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Tom wrote
Don McKenzie wrote

You can sell to the European Union and save them 20% VAT.
You can sell to New Zealand and save them 15% GST.

Don't know about NZ but most EU countries will charge the receiver with VAT/duties.

No they dont.

Yes they do.
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/index_en.htm

No they dont in the sense of charging that on all transactions,
regardless of how low value they are.

They dont for example charge that in stuff you bring in with you on
a plane flight etc.

They have exemptions, just like we do.

I thought the thread topic was buying on the internet, not passenger allowances.

Passenger allowances are completely different from the import regulations.

Nope, just another example of what doesnt get charge the GST or equivalent.

And you just ignored my point that even with internet transactions, EVERYONE
has exemption levels, its just the level that varys between countrys.

NO ONE charges GST or its equivalent on all stuff received from outside the country.

For example, to buy a Rigol LCD-based DSO from China or the USA,
you have to pay VAT but no duty. To import a real CRO (with a CRT),
you have to pay VAT plus 4% duty.

Not on every transaction.

You will have to pay 19% VAT on any oscilloscope imported into the EU. The extra 4% duty is just for CRT CRO's.

Pity about other cheaper stuff that comes in VAT free.

In Germany the VAT is 19%.

I've sent a few presents there, kids toys and clothes went ok but
a $100 laptop style DVD player attracted VAT and duty before the
parcel was delivered. On other hand $50 RC helicopter was free
from government greed.

So clearly most dont incur VAT and duty.

Only if they are below about 50 Euro in declared value.

Same with us. The only thing that varys is the value below which they dont bother.

And it isnt universally 50 euro either.

No, that's a ballpark figure. The exemptions kick in when the duty
payable would be less than a certain amount, which varies according to the goods.

And we used to have that system ourselves, and then got a clue
and have the more easily administered system we now have instead.

I can tell you with absolute certainty that you will pay 19% VAT on
an item like a Rigol DSO, which comes from outside the EU because I have asked Customs that exact question, based on a
value of USD400.

And plenty of other stuff doesnt see you pay any VAT when its imported.

AND you pay GST if you import that Rigol DSO into australia, ANYWAY.

One exemption is if you are a salesman and you are importing samples - special allowances apply. But if you try that
as a scam and they find out you could get a 50k fine.

We have the same thing.

http://www.zoll.de/english_version/faq/b0_customs_procedures/index.html#customs_procedures15
http://www.zoll.de/english_version/faq/a0_passenger_traffic/b0_non_ec_countries/index.html#non_ec_countries1

And that says that lower value items dont get charged VAT, just like we dont.

 

[Petzl]

On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 00:05:53 +0100, "fritz" <yaputya@microsoft.com>
wrote:

No, that's a ballpark figure. The exemptions kick in when the duty payable would be
less than a certain amount, which varies according to the goods.
I can tell you with absolute certainty that you will pay 19% VAT on an item like a Rigol DSO,
which comes from outside the EU because I have asked Customs that exact question,
based on a value of USD400.
One exemption is if you are a salesman and you are importing samples - special
allowances apply. But if you try that as a scam and they find out you could get a 50k fine.

Fact is Austalia has no duty on imported goods. This was replaced with
a "point of sale" GST (Grab Snatch & Take).
--
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[SG1]

"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6ushi6lrvnln61bpojh7l3brhbnump6sm3@4ax.com...

On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 00:05:53 +0100, "fritz" <yaputya@microsoft.com
wrote:

No, that's a ballpark figure. The exemptions kick in when the duty payable
would be
less than a certain amount, which varies according to the goods.
I can tell you with absolute certainty that you will pay 19% VAT on an
item like a Rigol DSO,
which comes from outside the EU because I have asked Customs that exact
question,
based on a value of USD400.
One exemption is if you are a salesman and you are importing samples -
special
allowances apply. But if you try that as a scam and they find out you
could get a 50k fine.

Fact is Austalia has no duty on imported goods. This was replaced with
a "point of sale" GST (Grab Snatch & Take).

Sorry but it is the Get Stuffed Tax.

--
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[fritz]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message news:8osa9fFkp4U1@mid.individual.net...

fritz wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
fritz wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Tom wrote
Don McKenzie wrote

You can sell to the European Union and save them 20% VAT.
You can sell to New Zealand and save them 15% GST.

Don't know about NZ but most EU countries will charge the receiver with VAT/duties.

No they dont.

Yes they do.
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/index_en.htm

No they dont in the sense of charging that on all transactions,
regardless of how low value they are.

They dont for example charge that in stuff you bring in with you on
a plane flight etc.

They have exemptions, just like we do.

I thought the thread topic was buying on the internet, not passenger allowances.

Passenger allowances are completely different from the import regulations.

Nope, just another example of what doesnt get charge the GST or equivalent.

You are hardly going to fly overseas just to buy something duty-free though,
so it isn't relevant.

And you just ignored my point that even with internet transactions, EVERYONE
has exemption levels, its just the level that varys between countrys.

NO ONE charges GST or its equivalent on all stuff received from outside the country.

I used the Rigol DSO as a relevant example. AFAIK all electronic goods attract the 19% VAT.
(I am in Germany, and am referring to importing from non-EU countries like USA, China etc.)

For example, to buy a Rigol LCD-based DSO from China or the USA,
you have to pay VAT but no duty. To import a real CRO (with a CRT),
you have to pay VAT plus 4% duty.

Not on every transaction.

You will have to pay 19% VAT on any oscilloscope imported into the EU. The extra 4% duty is just for CRT CRO's.

Pity about other cheaper stuff that comes in VAT free.

Like nappies or food, maybe ? They are untaxed.
AFAIK all electronic imports from non-EU countries attract the full VAT, and that is what
most people here would be interested in importing.

In Germany the VAT is 19%.

I've sent a few presents there, kids toys and clothes went ok but
a $100 laptop style DVD player attracted VAT and duty before the
parcel was delivered. On other hand $50 RC helicopter was free
from government greed.

So clearly most dont incur VAT and duty.

Only if they are below about 50 Euro in declared value.

Same with us. The only thing that varys is the value below which they dont bother.

And it isnt universally 50 euro either.

No, that's a ballpark figure. The exemptions kick in when the duty
payable would be less than a certain amount, which varies according to the goods.

And we used to have that system ourselves, and then got a clue
and have the more easily administered system we now have instead.

I can tell you with absolute certainty that you will pay 19% VAT on
an item like a Rigol DSO, which comes from outside the EU because I have asked Customs that exact question, based on a value of
USD400.

And plenty of other stuff doesnt see you pay any VAT when its imported.

Like nappies ? Electronic stuff does attract VAT if it exceeds the minimum value.

AND you pay GST if you import that Rigol DSO into australia, ANYWAY.

Because it costs more than the minimum set for exemption. Same as here.

One exemption is if you are a salesman and you are importing samples - special allowances apply. But if you try that as a scam
and they find out you could get a 50k fine.

We have the same thing.

http://www.zoll.de/english_version/faq/b0_customs_procedures/index.html#customs_procedures15
http://www.zoll.de/english_version/faq/a0_passenger_traffic/b0_non_ec_countries/index.html#non_ec_countries1

And that says that lower value items dont get charged VAT, just like we dont.

Exactly, if you buy a DSO or something that costs a few hundred, you pay VAT.
If you buy a few LEDs etc. you don't pay any VAT.