So you want a level playing field Mr. Harvey?

[Don McKenzie]

So you want a level playing field Mr. Harvey?

Here is what you do:
Sell on-line to over 200 countries, but don't charge them the Australian 10% GST. And it is legal.

You can sell to the European Union and save them 20% VAT.
You can sell to New Zealand and save them 15% GST.

Boy, what a big kick start this will be for you.

But your prices will have to be competitive, as they buy from the same shop you do. It's called China.
And your shipping costs will have to be competitive too, otherwise there will be no advantage for them to buy from you.

NOTE *** These comments apply only to what I consider low value goods. Under $1000AUD.

Cheers Don...


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"Don McKenzie" <5V@2.5A> wrote in message
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So you want a level playing field Mr. Harvey?

Here is what you do:
Sell on-line to over 200 countries, but don't charge them the Australian
10% GST. And it is legal.

You can sell to the European Union and save them 20% VAT.
You can sell to New Zealand and save them 15% GST.

Boy, what a big kick start this will be for you.

But your prices will have to be competitive, as they buy from the same
shop you do. It's called China.
And your shipping costs will have to be competitive too, otherwise there
will be no advantage for them to buy from you.

NOTE *** These comments apply only to what I consider low value goods.
Under $1000AUD.

Cheers Don...

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[Phil Allison]

"Don McKenzie is Bullshitting Fool"

So you want a level playing field Mr. Harvey?

Here is what you do:
Sell on-line to over 200 countries, but don't charge them the Australian
10% GST. And it is legal.

** You have never worked in the world of retailing consumer goods - have
you Don ??

But your prices will have to be competitive, as they buy from the same
shop you do. It's called China.

** OK - I say you are bullshiting.

List the famous brand name goods that Harvey Norman imports direct from
China ??

And show us proof of how you know this.



..... Phil

 

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Phil Allison wrote:

"Don McKenzie is Bullshitting Fool"

So you want a level playing field Mr. Harvey?

Here is what you do:
Sell on-line to over 200 countries, but don't charge them the Australian
10% GST. And it is legal.

** You have never worked in the world of retailing consumer goods - have
you Don ??

Does repairing toasters qualify you for that, toasta-boi?

But your prices will have to be competitive, as they buy from the same
shop you do. It's called China.


** OK - I say you are bullshiting.

Something you're an expert on.

List the famous brand name goods that Harvey Norman imports direct from
China ??

And show us proof of how you know this.

Show us your counter proof, toasta-boi.

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[Rob]

On 6/01/2011 9:07 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:

So you want a level playing field Mr. Harvey?

Here is what you do:
Sell on-line to over 200 countries, but don't charge them the Australian
10% GST. And it is legal.

You can sell to the European Union and save them 20% VAT.
You can sell to New Zealand and save them 15% GST.

Boy, what a big kick start this will be for you.

But your prices will have to be competitive, as they buy from the same
shop you do. It's called China.
And your shipping costs will have to be competitive too, otherwise there
will be no advantage for them to buy from you.

NOTE *** These comments apply only to what I consider low value goods.
Under $1000AUD.

Cheers Don...

How come we can buy from the US cheaper than here, even if postage,GST
and duties are added? (Even when the dollar was at 80 cents.) That's
not China BTW and they have to support the US government with duties etc.

Figures around indicate it's only 3% of retail Australian spending that
Gerry and his mates are concerned.

Now if we look at the profits that these BIG companies make and
distribute to their share holders, how much money leaves the country.

What about all those Australia companies that have been bought by
overseas investments, profits go overseas again.

 

[Tom]

On 6/01/2011 8:07 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:
....

You can sell to the European Union and save them 20% VAT.
You can sell to New Zealand and save them 15% GST.

Don't know about NZ but most EU countries will charge the receiver with
VAT/duties. I've sent a few presents there, kids toys and clothes went
ok but a $100 laptop style DVD player attracted VAT and duty before the
parcel was delivered. On other hand $50 RC helicopter was free from
government greed.

I guess might depend on the country.

Tom

 

[atec77]

On 6/01/2011 8:07 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:

So you want a level playing field Mr. Harvey?

Here is what you do:
Sell on-line to over 200 countries, but don't charge them the Australian
10% GST. And it is legal.

You can sell to the European Union and save them 20% VAT.
You can sell to New Zealand and save them 15% GST.

Boy, what a big kick start this will be for you.

But your prices will have to be competitive, as they buy from the same
shop you do. It's called China.
And your shipping costs will have to be competitive too, otherwise there
will be no advantage for them to buy from you.

NOTE *** These comments apply only to what I consider low value goods.
Under $1000AUD.

Cheers Don...


Only problem is how would he sort all the percentages for the franchisers ?

Auto parts are a [prime example of pornographic markup being on average
300 % on delivered from the us prices on anything over a wheel cylinder

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[Don McKenzie]

On 6/01/2011 10:05 AM, Phil Allison wrote:

"Don McKenzie is Bullshitting Fool"

Phil,

I have read your postings for years, and always treated you with respect, dignity, and certainly with caution, so please
don't start attacking me now with your below the belt throw away comments aimed squarely at me. You will loose my
respect if you play at that game.

** You have never worked in the world of retailing consumer goods - have
you Don ??

Last time I tried it, I was swamped with fraudulent credit card orders from middle eastern countries, so I decided to
stick to my niche market. Of course, security on credit cards has advanced somewhat world wide since then, but I'll
stick to what I know and do best.

I am a consumer also, so does that count as experience Phil?

I sold newspapers at South Kensington station in the 40s.
I sold hot dogs at Essendon Footy Ground in the 50s.
I sold petrol at Rainbow Vic. in the 60s.
I guess these don't count either. :-(

List the famous brand name goods that Harvey Norman imports direct from
China ??

I would say zero. He needs to get rid of his middle men, or carve into their profit margin, if he wants to be
competitive. He has to do what every other on-line retailer is doing world wide. It won't do him any good to stick his
head in the sand and pretend everything is OK.

He has to change and evolve just like I had to do since I started selling on the web in 1993. It is all about change.

It's like the industrial revolution all over again. People were scared of steam engines, then electricity, then computers.

My boss used to preach to me about the evils of computers, and I am talking the mid-70s. They will take over and do
everyone out of a job. Well that didn't happen either. I was pushing one way, and he pushing in the opposite direction.

Today it is the evils of on-line shopping. Gerry Harvey is in a time warp, and should have been the first person to
realise it was time to make changes.

And show us proof of how you know this.
.... Phil

Perhaps I spent too much time listening to you Phil

Cheers Don...


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[Phil Allison]

"Don McKenzie is Bullshitting Fool"

Phil,

** Piss off, fool.

I have read your postings for years, and always treated you with respect,
dignity, and certainly with caution, so please don't start attacking me
now with your below the belt throw away comments aimed squarely at me.

** Nothing below the belt about my comment.

Pure fact.

** You have never worked in the world of retailing consumer goods -
have
you Don ??

Last time I tried it,

** You have never " tried it ".

And you totally refuse to take advice on the matter.


** Reinserting the MISSING CONTEXT !!!!!!!!!!

But your prices will have to be competitive, as they buy from the same
shop you do. It's called China.


List the famous brand name goods that Harvey Norman imports direct from
China ??

I would say zero.

** Funny how that TOTALLY contradicts you own remark above.

Tell me how you are * NOT ** a bullshiting fool again ???

He needs to get rid of his middle men,

** Fraid he does not employ them.

Snip rest of this rabid, paranoid fool's absurd DRIVEL.



..... Phil

 

[Don McKenzie]

On 6/01/2011 12:32 PM, Tom wrote:

On 6/01/2011 8:07 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:
...
You can sell to the European Union and save them 20% VAT.
You can sell to New Zealand and save them 15% GST.

Don't know about NZ but most EU countries will charge the receiver with VAT/duties. I've sent a few presents there, kids
toys and clothes went ok but a $100 laptop style DVD player attracted VAT and duty before the parcel was delivered. On
other hand $50 RC helicopter was free from government greed.

I guess might depend on the country.

Tom

Granted Tom, it was a blanket comment, and individual counties have different rules.

However in principle, I can buy a $1K software package from the US, and sell it to a customer in the UK without VAT,
providing it is web downloaded. If is is on a CD and needs to be shipped, then customs becomes involved.

Cheers Don...


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[Don McKenzie]

On 6/01/2011 1:19 PM, Phil Allison wrote:

"Don McKenzie is Bullshitting Fool"

Phil,

** Piss off, fool.

I love you too Phil

Cheers Don...



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[me here]

atec77 wrote:

On 6/01/2011 8:07 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:
So you want a level playing field Mr. Harvey?

Here is what you do:
Sell on-line to over 200 countries, but don't charge them the
Australian 10% GST. And it is legal.

You can sell to the European Union and save them 20% VAT.
You can sell to New Zealand and save them 15% GST.

Boy, what a big kick start this will be for you.

But your prices will have to be competitive, as they buy from the
same shop you do. It's called China.
And your shipping costs will have to be competitive too, otherwise
there will be no advantage for them to buy from you.

NOTE *** These comments apply only to what I consider low value
goods. Under $1000AUD.

Cheers Don...


Only problem is how would he sort all the percentages for the
franchisers ?

Auto parts are a [prime example of pornographic markup being on
average 300 % on delivered from the us prices on anything over a
wheel cylinder

This is chicken shit compared to what the big companies get away with.

Ever wondered how companies like GM move money overseas and avoid
paying tax, yetd show miserable profits even when more locally built
cars are being sold than ever before ?

Simnple, they buy in critical components at hugely inflated prices from
the country they want to move the money to.

So a $50 component costs $500+ etc.

The money is transfered off shore and there's nothing the Aust Govt can
do about it.

Been going on for years.

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[Don McKenzie]

On 6/01/2011 2:16 PM, me here wrote:

atec77 wrote:
This is chicken shit compared to what the big companies get away with.

Ever wondered how companies like GM move money overseas and avoid
paying tax, yetd show miserable profits even when more locally built
cars are being sold than ever before ?

Simnple, they buy in critical components at hugely inflated prices from
the country they want to move the money to.

So a $50 component costs $500+ etc.

The money is transfered off shore and there's nothing the Aust Govt can
do about it.

Been going on for years.

How do you move stock from Country A to Country B within the same company, without paying high import GST-VAT and custom
fees?, and sometimes avoiding custom checks completely?

Move a $500 part with a 50 cent value.

Rules change depending on whether it is money, or stock you wish to move from A to B.
Or is that B to A?

Cheers Don...



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[atec77]

On 6/01/2011 12:28 PM, Don McKenzie wrote:

On 6/01/2011 1:19 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
"Don McKenzie is Bullshitting Fool"

Phil,

** Piss off, fool.

I love you too Phil

Cheers Don...



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On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 09:07:27 +1100, Don McKenzie <5V@2.5A> wrote:

So you want a level playing field Mr. Harvey?

Here is what you do:
Sell on-line to over 200 countries, but don't charge them the Australian 10% GST. And it is legal.

You can sell to the European Union and save them 20% VAT.
You can sell to New Zealand and save them 15% GST.

How do you know that these countries will not have to pay GST on these
imports?

 

[Trevor Wilson]

"Don McKenzie" <5V@2.5A> wrote in message
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On 6/01/2011 2:16 PM, me here wrote:
atec77 wrote:
This is chicken shit compared to what the big companies get away with.

Ever wondered how companies like GM move money overseas and avoid
paying tax, yetd show miserable profits even when more locally built
cars are being sold than ever before ?

Simnple, they buy in critical components at hugely inflated prices from
the country they want to move the money to.

So a $50 component costs $500+ etc.

The money is transfered off shore and there's nothing the Aust Govt can
do about it.

Been going on for years.

How do you move stock from Country A to Country B within the same company,
without paying high import GST-VAT and custom fees?, and sometimes
avoiding custom checks completely?

Move a $500 part with a 50 cent value.

Rules change depending on whether it is money, or stock you wish to move
from A to B.
Or is that B to A?

Cheers Don...

**Exactly. Back in the days of Sales Tax, I had a Sales Tax number for
certain purchases (for manufacturing). I went to Tandy to buy a product that
retailed for $129.95. I had to jump through considerable hoops, but I
finally got what I wanted sans (27.5%) Sales Tax. I saved a grand total of
around $2.50.

Bastards.


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[Don McKenzie]

On 6/01/2011 2:00 PM, Gillard = Rudd in a frock wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 09:07:27 +1100, Don McKenzie<5V@2.5A> wrote:

So you want a level playing field Mr. Harvey?

Here is what you do:
Sell on-line to over 200 countries, but don't charge them the Australian 10% GST. And it is legal.

You can sell to the European Union and save them 20% VAT.
You can sell to New Zealand and save them 15% GST.

How do you know that these countries will not have to pay GST on these
imports?

There is no way they have to pay Australian GST, as there is no mechanism in place to collect this tax for the
Australian Tax Office.

However there may be tax and duties payable in the country you are exporting to.
Countries like India, and Brazil are bad, as they generally hit all imports hard. Brazil often wants up to 100% tax.
India seems to change the rules depending on the colour of the customs officer's hair.

Most other countries ignore values less than $100, as it is a matter of how much you spend collecting such a small
amount for tax purposes.

Cheers Don...



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[Rod Speed]

Tom wrote

Don McKenzie wrote

You can sell to the European Union and save them 20% VAT.
You can sell to New Zealand and save them 15% GST.

Don't know about NZ but most EU countries will charge the receiver with VAT/duties.

No they dont.

I've sent a few presents there, kids toys and clothes went ok but a $100 laptop style DVD player attracted VAT and
duty before the parcel was delivered. On other hand $50 RC helicopter was free from government greed.

So clearly most dont incur VAT and duty.

I guess might depend on the country.

Corse it does.

 

[Don McKenzie]

On 6/01/2011 2:15 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

"Don McKenzie"<5V@2.5A> wrote in message

**Exactly. Back in the days of Sales Tax, I had a Sales Tax number for
certain purchases (for manufacturing). I went to Tandy to buy a product that
retailed for $129.95. I had to jump through considerable hoops, but I
finally got what I wanted sans (27.5%) Sales Tax. I saved a grand total of
around $2.50.

Bastards.

One advantage of sales tax was you jumped through the hoops, and got the exemption based on your sales tax number. You
never had to pay the tax. You were exempt.

Today if your import is over $1000AUD, you pay 10% gst, plus possibly custom duties, plus formal entry fees. Total
minimum bill is usually about one arm, and one leg.

Then 3 months later, guess what? You get the 10% GST back in full as a tax input credit. Any owing amount is paid
directly into your nominated bank account.

So this is a real saving in resources compared to the old system isn't it? What in the hell is this all about?
Geez!

Cheers Don...



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"Don McKenzie" <5V@2.5A> wrote in message
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On 6/01/2011 2:15 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
"Don McKenzie"<5V@2.5A> wrote in message

**Exactly. Back in the days of Sales Tax, I had a Sales Tax number for
certain purchases (for manufacturing). I went to Tandy to buy a product
that
retailed for $129.95. I had to jump through considerable hoops, but I
finally got what I wanted sans (27.5%) Sales Tax. I saved a grand total
of
around $2.50.

Bastards.

One advantage of sales tax was you jumped through the hoops, and got the
exemption based on your sales tax number. You never had to pay the tax.
You were exempt.

Today if your import is over $1000AUD, you pay 10% gst, plus possibly
custom duties, plus formal entry fees. Total minimum bill is usually about
one arm, and one leg.

Then 3 months later, guess what? You get the 10% GST back in full as a tax
input credit. Any owing amount is paid directly into your nominated bank
account.

So this is a real saving in resources compared to the old system isn't it?
What in the hell is this all about?
Geez!

**I sold an amp to a guy who was leaving the country, back when GST was
first introduced. I was confused about what to do, so I called the taxman
for advice. They told me that the customer should pay the full amount and he
coulod retrieve the money at the exit port. Sounded dodgy to me, but I
complied. Then, of course, I received a frantic call from my client,
claiming that he could not get his money (more than $500.00). We sorted it
out later, but it sure was messy back then.


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