So, what's the point of that, then ... ?

"Michael A. Terrell"
Trevor Wilson wrote:


**Sounds like the Pommy hi fi press influence to me. Headphone socket
switches are not the highest quality method of switching a speaker level
audio signal available.


That's because they use cheap plastic junk, rather that commercial
grade jacks like these:

http://www.switchcraft.com/Drawings/14b_cd.pdf

I've seen these in equipment that is used daily for decades with no
problems.
** That sort of stereo jack cannot perform speaker switching on a hi-fi
amplifer.

You need ones that have a pair of independent contacts.


...... Phil
 
http://www.switchcraft.com/Drawings/14b_cd.pdf

That sort of stereo jack cannot perform speaker switching
on a hi-fi amplifier.
Sure it can. It's just not a good idea. You don't want to run the amp's output
through such a "cheap 'n dirty" "switch".


You need ones that have a pair of independent contacts.
???
 
Arfa

I have seen lots of Japanese and some other amplifiers that do not have
speaker cutouts on the headphone jack; but _ALL_ of them had proper
speaker switches of some sort.

YMMV

?-)
Yep, me too, which is why I couldn't see the point of having this
arrangement ...

Arfa
 
"William Sommerwanker is getting WORSE "
http://www.switchcraft.com/Drawings/14b_cd.pdf

That sort of stereo jack cannot perform speaker switching
on a hi-fi amplifier.

Sure it can.
** The only way such a jack could perform speaker switching is if the amp's
output were connected DIRECT to the headphone contacts - something no
sane amp maker would ever do.


You need ones that have a pair of independent contacts.

???

** Wot an ignorant, fucking twat you are.


..... Phil
 
Phil Allison wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell"
?
? Trevor Wilson wrote:
?
??
?? **Sounds like the Pommy hi fi press influence to me. Headphone socket
?? switches are not the highest quality method of switching a speaker level
?? audio signal available.
?
?
? That's because they use cheap plastic junk, rather that commercial
? grade jacks like these:
?
? http://www.switchcraft.com/Drawings/14b_cd.pdf
?
? I've seen these in equipment that is used daily for decades with no
? problems.
?

** That sort of stereo jack cannot perform speaker switching on a hi-fi
amplifer.

You need ones that have a pair of independent contacts.

They make those, as well. I was pointing out the construction of the
jack. Their long frame series have additional switches. They are the
same grade that were used in telephone switchboards & audio patch panels
in studios. The point is that they would ad $10 to $10 to the retail
price of the units.

As far as putting resistors in series with the 'cans', it's also
possible to use the extra switches to reduce the drive to the amplifier.
 
On 09/01/2013 02:09, Arfa Daily wrote:
Arfa

I have seen lots of Japanese and some other amplifiers that do not have
speaker cutouts on the headphone jack; but _ALL_ of them had proper
speaker switches of some sort.

YMMV

?-)

Yep, me too, which is why I couldn't see the point of having this
arrangement ...

Arfa
Surely the best solution would be a 'user' control to mute the speakers
at will? Best of both worlds.
 
"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message news:kcig68$59c$1@dont-email.me...

http://www.switchcraft.com/Drawings/14b_cd.pdf

That sort of stereo jack cannot perform speaker switching
on a hi-fi amplifier.
Sure it can. It's just not a good idea. You don't want to run the amp's
output
through such a "cheap 'n dirty" "switch".


You need ones that have a pair of independent contacts.
???


Presumably to switch a remote relay.



Gareth.
 
Gareth Magennis wrote:
"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message news:kcig68$59c$1@dont-email.me...

http://www.switchcraft.com/Drawings/14b_cd.pdf

That sort of stereo jack cannot perform speaker switching
on a hi-fi amplifier.

Sure it can. It's just not a good idea. You don't want to run the amp's
output
through such a "cheap 'n dirty" "switch".

You need ones that have a pair of independent contacts.

???

Presumably to switch a remote relay.

No. They switched a pair of resistors in line with the headphones to
reduce the drive. I recall a lot of 180 Ohm resistors on the back of
headphone jacks.
 
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
news:Jf-dneBblu8Wc3DNnZ2dnUVZ_hmdnZ2d@earthlink.com...


Gareth Magennis wrote:
"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message news:kcig68$59c$1@dont-email.me...

http://www.switchcraft.com/Drawings/14b_cd.pdf

That sort of stereo jack cannot perform speaker switching
on a hi-fi amplifier.

Sure it can. It's just not a good idea. You don't want to run the amp's
output
through such a "cheap 'n dirty" "switch".

You need ones that have a pair of independent contacts.

???

Presumably to switch a remote relay.

No. They switched a pair of resistors in line with the headphones to
reduce the drive. I recall a lot of 180 Ohm resistors on the back of
headphone jacks.


Yes, that would surely still rely on the switched headphone jack passing
the amplifiers power, or not, via its puny switch to the speakers.

What you really need is a pair of independent contacts in the headphone
socket that makes a circuit when a headphone jack is inserted.

This pair of contacts will then remotely switch the speakers off.


These sockets do actually exist.


Gareth.
 
Gareth Magennis wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
news:Jf-dneBblu8Wc3DNnZ2dnUVZ_hmdnZ2d@earthlink.com...

Gareth Magennis wrote:

"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message news:kcig68$59c$1@dont-email.me...

http://www.switchcraft.com/Drawings/14b_cd.pdf

That sort of stereo jack cannot perform speaker switching
on a hi-fi amplifier.

Sure it can. It's just not a good idea. You don't want to run the amp's
output
through such a "cheap 'n dirty" "switch".

You need ones that have a pair of independent contacts.

???

Presumably to switch a remote relay.

No. They switched a pair of resistors in line with the headphones to
reduce the drive. I recall a lot of 180 Ohm resistors on the back of
headphone jacks.

Yes, that would surely still rely on the switched headphone jack passing
the amplifiers power, or not, via its puny switch to the speakers.

What you really need is a pair of independent contacts in the headphone
socket that makes a circuit when a headphone jack is inserted.

This pair of contacts will then remotely switch the speakers off.

These sockets do actually exist.

They have been around since the '60s.
 
"Gareth Magennis" <gareth.magennis@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:NRlHs.1944$k04.192@fx20.fr7...
"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message news:kcig68$59c$1@dont-email.me...

http://www.switchcraft.com/Drawings/14b_cd.pdf

That sort of stereo jack cannot perform speaker switching
on a hi-fi amplifier.

Sure it can. It's just not a good idea. You don't want to run the amp's
output
through such a "cheap 'n dirty" "switch".


You need ones that have a pair of independent contacts.

???


Presumably to switch a remote relay.



Gareth.
The late model Denon's I've seen use a switch in the headphone jack to
control the speaker relays.

Mark Z.
 
"Gareth Magennis"
You need ones that have a pair of independent contacts.

???

Presumably to switch a remote relay.
** Not at all.

These stereo jacks have two sets of isolated, NC contacts that will do the
job just fine with amplifiers up to say 80 wpc.

See items 3 & 4 on this page:

http://www.minute-man.com/acatalog/1_4__Stereo_Jacks.html



.... Phil
 
"Gareth Magennis" <gareth.magennis@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:spnHs.397$AB7.354@fx19.fr7...
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
news:Jf-dneBblu8Wc3DNnZ2dnUVZ_hmdnZ2d@earthlink.com...


Gareth Magennis wrote:

"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message
news:kcig68$59c$1@dont-email.me...

http://www.switchcraft.com/Drawings/14b_cd.pdf

That sort of stereo jack cannot perform speaker switching
on a hi-fi amplifier.

Sure it can. It's just not a good idea. You don't want to run the amp's
output
through such a "cheap 'n dirty" "switch".

You need ones that have a pair of independent contacts.

???

Presumably to switch a remote relay.


No. They switched a pair of resistors in line with the headphones to
reduce the drive. I recall a lot of 180 Ohm resistors on the back of
headphone jacks.


Yes, that would surely still rely on the switched headphone jack passing
the amplifiers power, or not, via its puny switch to the speakers.

What you really need is a pair of independent contacts in the headphone
socket that makes a circuit when a headphone jack is inserted.

This pair of contacts will then remotely switch the speakers off.


These sockets do actually exist.


Gareth.
The system of speaker switching that you are suggesting, is often used on
home cinema systems or AV amps where there are 6 channels to be switched
off. For instance, my Sony HCD - S800 home cinema unit that I use for
optical decoding and surround processing on my TV, has an independent set of
contacts on it that tell the system control micro that headphones have been
jacked in. It responds by cutting off the six speaker protection relays on
the ends of the amps. The actual stereo signal for the headphones is derived
from an independent small amplifier, with a power output more appropriate to
driving them.

Arfa
 

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