Smoking Gun: NIH Was Funding Research In China Into Producin

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 12:52:43 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
<ggherold@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 11:27:11 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 07:49:09 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 10:38:21 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 05:25:30 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

It's called gain-of-function research. And they apparently succeeded in making a real doozy.

The Obama administration halted funding for the research deemed too dangerous in 2014.

"Nevertheless, in 2014, under pressure from the Obama administration, the National of Institutes of Health instituted a moratorium on the work, suspending 21 studies."

Then the geniuses in the Trump administration, ignoring top scientific advice as usual, resumed funding for the research in 2017:

"Three years later, though?n December 2017?he NIH ended the moratorium and the second phase of the NIAID project, which included the gain-of-function research, began."

Coincidence? Only a fool would believe the SARS-Cov-2 was a natural occurrence.

https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741?amp=1

What Republican administration do you blame for inventing the 1918 flu
virus?

NIH is supposed to be researching cures for disease, and not creating new ones.


Virus research might be dangerous. But the alternative is to let colds
and flu kill millions of people every year forever.

All we can do is try to place smart bets, and play the game out.

C19 could be natural. All the previous centuries of colds and flu
were. We get colds and flu every winter.
Government's are going to research viruses, for the same reason they
are throwing money at quantum computing. If they don't do it,
the other guy will and you get behind.

There's no nationalistic advantage to researching viruses. Whatever we
learn will be shared with the world.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[George Herold]

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 1:32:30 PM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 12:30:26 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 09:11:22 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 10:53:25 AM UTC-4, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
Am 29.04.20 um 16:38 schrieb jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com:


What Republican administration do you blame for inventing the 1918 flu
virus?

Do you mean the Kansas flu that was renamed Spanish to rewrite history?
That was not only not contained by the US but actively exported
with troop transporters full of ill GIs?

Gerhard

If you European kids would just learn to get along, we wouldn't have
to come over so often! <grin

Fair Warning: Next time we intend to bring 'light beer'.

Cheers,
James Arthur

Threaten them with parachute drops of Bud Light and they won't dare
start another war.

Parachute drops of Bud Light would send me screaming into a bomb
shelter, too!

Cheers,
James

Oh dear, I'm not proud. Genesse is my regular brew.
$21 for a 30 pac at the local deli. I've got room
for some Bud Light. (prolly help with my waist line.:^)

George H.

 

[George Herold]

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 11:27:11 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 07:49:09 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 10:38:21 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 05:25:30 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

It's called gain-of-function research. And they apparently succeeded in making a real doozy.

The Obama administration halted funding for the research deemed too dangerous in 2014.

"Nevertheless, in 2014, under pressure from the Obama administration, the National of Institutes of Health instituted a moratorium on the work, suspending 21 studies."

Then the geniuses in the Trump administration, ignoring top scientific advice as usual, resumed funding for the research in 2017:

"Three years later, though?n December 2017?he NIH ended the moratorium and the second phase of the NIAID project, which included the gain-of-function research, began."

Coincidence? Only a fool would believe the SARS-Cov-2 was a natural occurrence.

https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741?amp=1

What Republican administration do you blame for inventing the 1918 flu
virus?

NIH is supposed to be researching cures for disease, and not creating new ones.


Virus research might be dangerous. But the alternative is to let colds
and flu kill millions of people every year forever.

All we can do is try to place smart bets, and play the game out.

C19 could be natural. All the previous centuries of colds and flu
were. We get colds and flu every winter.

Government's are going to research viruses, for the same reason they
are throwing money at quantum computing. If they don't do it,
the other guy will and you get behind.

George H.
Moving the research labs out of cities seems like a very good idea.
put them on islands somewhere... or old ships.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:04:44 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
<ggherold@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 1:32:30 PM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 12:30:26 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 09:11:22 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 10:53:25 AM UTC-4, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
Am 29.04.20 um 16:38 schrieb jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com:


What Republican administration do you blame for inventing the 1918 flu
virus?

Do you mean the Kansas flu that was renamed Spanish to rewrite history?
That was not only not contained by the US but actively exported
with troop transporters full of ill GIs?

Gerhard

If you European kids would just learn to get along, we wouldn't have
to come over so often! <grin

Fair Warning: Next time we intend to bring 'light beer'.

Cheers,
James Arthur

Threaten them with parachute drops of Bud Light and they won't dare
start another war.

Parachute drops of Bud Light would send me screaming into a bomb
shelter, too!

Cheers,
James

Oh dear, I'm not proud. Genesse is my regular brew.

I sure hope they don't brew that using river water.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[George Herold]

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 4:56:39 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:04:44 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
ggherold@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 1:32:30 PM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 12:30:26 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 09:11:22 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 10:53:25 AM UTC-4, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
Am 29.04.20 um 16:38 schrieb jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com:


What Republican administration do you blame for inventing the 1918 flu
virus?

Do you mean the Kansas flu that was renamed Spanish to rewrite history?
That was not only not contained by the US but actively exported
with troop transporters full of ill GIs?

Gerhard

If you European kids would just learn to get along, we wouldn't have
to come over so often! <grin

Fair Warning: Next time we intend to bring 'light beer'.

Cheers,
James Arthur

Threaten them with parachute drops of Bud Light and they won't dare
start another war.

Parachute drops of Bud Light would send me screaming into a bomb
shelter, too!

Cheers,
James

Oh dear, I'm not proud. Genesse is my regular brew.

I sure hope they don't brew that using river water.

We have these filter things here. :^) The Genesse river
valley is beautiful... for whatever reason it didn't
get blocked up and turned into another finger lake.
Letchworth State park is wonderful. There are a
number of stone-work trails, rails, and bridges built
during the WPA... or there abouts. It can be totally
awesome in the autumn. We should have people on
any extended unemployment rebuilding the stonework.

George h.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[George Herold]

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 4:40:20 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 12:52:43 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
ggherold@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 11:27:11 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 07:49:09 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 10:38:21 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 05:25:30 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

It's called gain-of-function research. And they apparently succeeded in making a real doozy.

The Obama administration halted funding for the research deemed too dangerous in 2014.

"Nevertheless, in 2014, under pressure from the Obama administration, the National of Institutes of Health instituted a moratorium on the work, suspending 21 studies."

Then the geniuses in the Trump administration, ignoring top scientific advice as usual, resumed funding for the research in 2017:

"Three years later, though?n December 2017?he NIH ended the moratorium and the second phase of the NIAID project, which included the gain-of-function research, began."

Coincidence? Only a fool would believe the SARS-Cov-2 was a natural occurrence.

https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741?amp=1

What Republican administration do you blame for inventing the 1918 flu
virus?

NIH is supposed to be researching cures for disease, and not creating new ones.


Virus research might be dangerous. But the alternative is to let colds
and flu kill millions of people every year forever.

All we can do is try to place smart bets, and play the game out.

C19 could be natural. All the previous centuries of colds and flu
were. We get colds and flu every winter.
Government's are going to research viruses, for the same reason they
are throwing money at quantum computing. If they don't do it,
the other guy will and you get behind.

There's no nationalistic advantage to researching viruses. Whatever we
learn will be shared with the world.

Hmm OK, I think in the end all knowledge will be
shared. But G's will try and control it for a time.
China maybe more so than others. But all will try and
control info at some level... to not try and get an
advantage is to mis-handle your government if you are a
leader. (sorry for the double negative... if you are
the leader of your country, it's your job to get an
advantage, otherwise you are not doing your job.
In that regard I agree with Trump.

George H.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 15:39:23 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
<ggherold@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 4:56:39 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:04:44 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
ggherold@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 1:32:30 PM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 12:30:26 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 09:11:22 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 10:53:25 AM UTC-4, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
Am 29.04.20 um 16:38 schrieb jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com:


What Republican administration do you blame for inventing the 1918 flu
virus?

Do you mean the Kansas flu that was renamed Spanish to rewrite history?
That was not only not contained by the US but actively exported
with troop transporters full of ill GIs?

Gerhard

If you European kids would just learn to get along, we wouldn't have
to come over so often! <grin

Fair Warning: Next time we intend to bring 'light beer'.

Cheers,
James Arthur

Threaten them with parachute drops of Bud Light and they won't dare
start another war.

Parachute drops of Bud Light would send me screaming into a bomb
shelter, too!

Cheers,
James

Oh dear, I'm not proud. Genesse is my regular brew.

I sure hope they don't brew that using river water.
We have these filter things here. :^) The Genesse river
valley is beautiful... for whatever reason it didn't
get blocked up and turned into another finger lake.
Letchworth State park is wonderful. There are a
number of stone-work trails, rails, and bridges built
during the WPA... or there abouts. It can be totally
awesome in the autumn. We should have people on
any extended unemployment rebuilding the stonework.

George h.

The Brat went to Cornell [1] so we got to spend some time around
there. Gotta admit it's pretty country. Add in NYC and divide by two,
that works out to mediocre.

[1] double major, softball and beer pong.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 1:50:47 AM UTC+10, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 11:27:11 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 07:49:09 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 10:38:21 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 05:25:30 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

<snip>

C19 could be natural. All the previous centuries of colds and flu
were. We get colds and flu every winter.

Not likely to be natural, it's too optimized for human infection.

Natural selection is perfectly natural, and any virus that show up in humans is selected for it's capacity to infect more human, which does means that when you run into one that has infected a lot of humans, it's going to look optimised for the job.

What's special about Covid-19 that has suggested - to anybody who knows what they are talking about - that it's had the benefit of intelligent design by humans?

Fred Bloggs clearly doesn't know what he is talking about, so hi opinion doesn't count.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 2:11:28 AM UTC+10, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 10:53:25 AM UTC-4, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
Am 29.04.20 um 16:38 schrieb jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com:


What Republican administration do you blame for inventing the 1918 flu
virus?

Do you mean the Kansas flu that was renamed Spanish to rewrite history?
That was not only not contained by the US but actively exported
with troop transporters full of ill GIs?

Gerhard

If you European kids would just learn to get along, we wouldn't have
to come over so often! <grin

Europe very politely let the Americans settle their own Civil War. The US eventually saw that it's interests in Europe were threatened by Germany (in 1917 and in 1941) and made several dramatic but essentially ineffectual contributions to putting them back in their box.

The Allies did have some influence on the 1949 German constitution (which is a whole lot better than it's American equivalent) but in practice this meant that the new German constitution avoided quite of few of the defects of previous equivalents.

> Fair Warning: Next time we intend to bring 'light beer'.

Coca Cola is even worse. Allowing the food manufacturing business to regulate itself and sell food which is engineered to be addictive enough to get over-eaten to the point of obesity is one of the obvious weak points of US constitutional arrangements.

Nobody is going to copy that, or let you export that kind of toxin on a large scale.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 6:40:20 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 12:52:43 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
ggherold@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 11:27:11 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 07:49:09 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 10:38:21 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 05:25:30 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

It's called gain-of-function research. And they apparently succeeded in making a real doozy.

The Obama administration halted funding for the research deemed too dangerous in 2014.

"Nevertheless, in 2014, under pressure from the Obama administration, the National of Institutes of Health instituted a moratorium on the work, suspending 21 studies."

Then the geniuses in the Trump administration, ignoring top scientific advice as usual, resumed funding for the research in 2017:

"Three years later, though?n December 2017?he NIH ended the moratorium and the second phase of the NIAID project, which included the gain-of-function research, began."

Coincidence? Only a fool would believe the SARS-Cov-2 was a natural occurrence.

https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741?amp=1

What Republican administration do you blame for inventing the 1918 flu
virus?

NIH is supposed to be researching cures for disease, and not creating new ones.


Virus research might be dangerous. But the alternative is to let colds
and flu kill millions of people every year forever.

All we can do is try to place smart bets, and play the game out.

C19 could be natural. All the previous centuries of colds and flu
were. We get colds and flu every winter.
Government's are going to research viruses, for the same reason they
are throwing money at quantum computing. If they don't do it,
the other guy will and you get behind.

There's no nationalistic advantage to researching viruses. Whatever we
learn will be shared with the world.

The US does seem to be hogging a lot of the consequences of Covid-19 at the moment. It's got 27% of the international casualties so far (61,618 out of 227,906), and is forging head of the rest of the field.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 2:30:26 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 09:11:22 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 10:53:25 AM UTC-4, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
Am 29.04.20 um 16:38 schrieb jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com:


What Republican administration do you blame for inventing the 1918 flu
virus?

Do you mean the Kansas flu that was renamed Spanish to rewrite history?
That was not only not contained by the US but actively exported
with troop transporters full of ill GIs?

Gerhard

If you European kids would just learn to get along, we wouldn't have
to come over so often! <grin

Fair Warning: Next time we intend to bring 'light beer'.

Threaten them with parachute drops of Bud Light and they won't dare
start another war.

That would constitute chemical warfare. Bashar al-Assad and Saddam Hussein seem to have indulged in that. Donald Trump might be civilised enough to decide that it wouldn't be a good idea, but his veneer of civilisation is remarkably thin.

--
Bill Sloman, sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 2:20:43 AM UTC+10, John Robertson wrote:

On 2020/04/29 9:11 a.m., dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 10:53:25 AM UTC-4, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
Am 29.04.20 um 16:38 schrieb jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com:


What Republican administration do you blame for inventing the 1918 flu
virus?

Do you mean the Kansas flu that was renamed Spanish to rewrite history?
That was not only not contained by the US but actively exported
with troop transporters full of ill GIs?

Gerhard

If you European kids would just learn to get along, we wouldn't have
to come over so often! <grin

Fair Warning: Next time we intend to bring 'light beer'.

Cheers,
James Arthur


Ah, you guys just came over after the Canadians did all the hard work
and showed you the way...

Our house in Nijmegen was occupied by Canadian officers in late 1944 and and early 1945 before the allies pushed on over the Rhine. The Americans had parachuted into Groesbeek a bit earlier, but the Canadians got stuck with job of patrolling the area after the front stabilised. The convent across the road from the house became a military hospital, and there was a temporary military cemetery next door to our house for the patients that didn't make it. The bodies got dug up after the war and consolidated into one big military cemetery on the other side of Nijmegen.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 7:22:13 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 1:50:47 AM UTC+10, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 11:27:11 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 07:49:09 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 10:38:21 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 05:25:30 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

snip

C19 could be natural. All the previous centuries of colds and flu
were. We get colds and flu every winter.

Not likely to be natural, it's too optimized for human infection.

Natural selection is perfectly natural, and any virus that show up in humans is selected for it's capacity to infect more human, which does means that when you run into one that has infected a lot of humans, it's going to look optimised for the job.

What's special about Covid-19 that has suggested - to anybody who knows what they are talking about - that it's had the benefit of intelligent design by humans?

Fred Bloggs clearly doesn't know what he is talking about, so hi opinion doesn't count.

So says Sloman who has been wrong about every last aspect of this whole fiasco since day one. His ignorance and errors are too numerous to list.
Apparently the imbecile is ignorant of the fact that lab techniques exist to make virus transmissibility much worse just using animals. No genetic engineering necessary.
Dunno why opinion should count, but NIH just last week summarily zeroed the funding for all of the virus work being done in China, no explanation given.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 3:13:52 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 18:44:33 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:

Am 29.04.20 um 18:30 schrieb jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com:

If you European kids would just learn to get along, we wouldn't have
to come over so often! <grin

Fair Warning: Next time we intend to bring 'light beer'.

Cheers,
James Arthur

Threaten them with parachute drops of Bud Light and they won't dare
start another war.

Now is still time for März Bock. 8%. No bank will give you that much.

Some of those Belgian-monk tripels are killers too.


We didn't start a war in the EU in last 75 years.

Good. Keep that up for a few thousand years.

John Larkin is quite as good as James Arthur at ignoring inconvenient facts..

The US Civil War ran from 1861 to 1865. It only ended 155 years ago. John Larkin's seems to want Europe to perform better than the US has.

Donald Trump's approach to defeating Covid-19 hasn't killed as many American yet - 61,618 versus about a million - and probably doesn't count, but if his incompetence were deliberately malicious, as opposed egomaniac disinterest, it would would represent a bloody assault by the administration on the country as a whole.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[whit3rd]

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 7:49:16 AM UTC-7, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:

> NIH is supposed to be researching cures for disease, and not creating new ones.

Studying a disease before curing it IS proper research.

The first disease ever identified with a culturable microbe was anthrax. It was
studiied in its full life cycle, BEFORE we knew how to cure it, and it made a LOT
of public-health difference that this was done, because many of the preventive
measures in place at the time (burying diseased carcases) were
ineffective. Burial in cold climates just preserved the spores.

Part of the life cycle of a virus (over long times) is mutating to evade
immunities among its hosts. It makes sense to study that process.

The various 'escaped from a lab' theories don't make sense for COVID-19, IMHO,
but... apparently an anthrax breakout years back WAS due to a disturbed individual
with lab access. It makes sense, also, to study such disturbed individuals.

 

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news:92035aec-5539-4f0b-bb28-15b116562c8d@googlegroups.com:

You spelled 'smocking' wrong. "smocking gun" -Donald John Trump

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 10:24:35 AM UTC+10, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 7:22:13 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 1:50:47 AM UTC+10, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 11:27:11 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 07:49:09 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 10:38:21 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 05:25:30 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

snip

C19 could be natural. All the previous centuries of colds and flu
were. We get colds and flu every winter.

Not likely to be natural, it's too optimized for human infection.

Natural selection is perfectly natural, and any virus that show up in humans is selected for it's capacity to infect more human, which does means that when you run into one that has infected a lot of humans, it's going to look optimised for the job.

What's special about Covid-19 that has suggested - to anybody who knows what they are talking about - that it's had the benefit of intelligent design by humans?

Fred Bloggs clearly doesn't know what he is talking about, so hi opinion doesn't count.

So says Sloman who has been wrong about every last aspect of this whole fiasco since day one. His ignorance and errors are too numerous to list.

Whereas I have cited a few points where Fred Bloggs has made claims that illustrate that he doesn't know what he is talking about.

He claimed that the corona virus spike protein doesn't mutate - when it does, but is clearly conserved by the fact that any significant change stops it working and kills off that strain of the virus. One can follow his thinking, but the fact that he can't see that he went wrong in very revealing way means that his opinion really can't be taken seriously.

<snipped Fred being even more stupid than usual>

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Tom Del Rosso]

John Larkin wrote:

There's no nationalistic advantage to researching viruses. Whatever we
learn will be shared with the world.

We would but China wouldn't. Some in this thread have said that the
Trump administration restarted the research, but actually it was a
Chinese scientist who went back to China and resumed it. They obviously
created it a lab and had an accident.

 

[Ricky C]

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 10:36:18 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

There's no nationalistic advantage to researching viruses. Whatever we
learn will be shared with the world.

We would but China wouldn't. Some in this thread have said that the
Trump administration restarted the research, but actually it was a
Chinese scientist who went back to China and resumed it. They obviously
created it a lab and had an accident.

Why is that "obvious"? I've seen no reasonable evidence to support that idea, much less compelling evidence.

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On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 9:00:03 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 10:24:35 AM UTC+10, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 7:22:13 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 1:50:47 AM UTC+10, bloggs.fre...@gmail..com wrote:
On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 11:27:11 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 07:49:09 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 10:38:21 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 05:25:30 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

snip

C19 could be natural. All the previous centuries of colds and flu
were. We get colds and flu every winter.

Not likely to be natural, it's too optimized for human infection.

Natural selection is perfectly natural, and any virus that show up in humans is selected for it's capacity to infect more human, which does means that when you run into one that has infected a lot of humans, it's going to look optimised for the job.

What's special about Covid-19 that has suggested - to anybody who knows what they are talking about - that it's had the benefit of intelligent design by humans?

Fred Bloggs clearly doesn't know what he is talking about, so hi opinion doesn't count.

So says Sloman who has been wrong about every last aspect of this whole fiasco since day one. His ignorance and errors are too numerous to list.

Whereas I have cited a few points where Fred Bloggs has made claims that illustrate that he doesn't know what he is talking about.

He claimed that the corona virus spike protein doesn't mutate - when it does, but is clearly conserved by the fact that any significant change stops it working and kills off that strain of the virus. One can follow his thinking, but the fact that he can't see that he went wrong in very revealing way means that his opinion really can't be taken seriously.

snipped Fred being even more stupid than usual

Once again you couldn't be more wrong. No one cares about any general description of the spike protein. The people who actually work with this virus, with the aim of actually accomplishing something, have narrowed their focus on the ACE-2 receptor binding domain (RBD) of the spike protein. They find the RBD to be "highly conserved," so much so that they were able to identify and observe antibodies produced for one virus working on the other. See antibody CR3022 as one example of an antibody targeting the spike protein of both SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2, despite a genetic overlap of just 79% between the two viruses.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney