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Matthew Gunn <matthewgunn_au@hotmail.com> wrote:
I still don't get what the problem is with "top posting". To me, it
makes sense if you have already been following a thread you don't want
to have to scroll down to bottom of every message just to read what
someone has added. At the same time I don't have a problem with people
"bottom posting" or even putting their comments in the middle (sometimes
more appropriate).
I just don't see what the big problem is.
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Now that I have gotten in to the habit of bottom posting, I don't really
see the need to top post anymore.

Well heres my situation:
My newsreader is Tin, a unix textbased newsreader.
I subsribe to a large number of newsgroups(about 30 or so).
These newsgroups span multiple languages.
I've got a poor short term memory.
The news server here doesn't cache the postings very far back.
I don't check some of the groups nearly enough.

What this results in is:
Sometimes I miss the beginning of topics and by the time I get to reading
them, my server has alreay removed them. Also sometimes when the
discussion goes on for a long time, I tend to forget what was said
earlier. Having subscribed to so many NGs and in multiple languages
doesn't help either. And finally, I've set Tin up to bottom post and I
really can't be bothered to change it.

I know this probably doesn't answer you question, but I'm just trying to
give you an insight why I do what I do.

Aside from this, it makes sense to see the answer in context, after the
questions. Cause => Effect.

--

Wing Wong.
Webpage: http://wing.ucc.asn.au
 
"Matthew Gunn"
I still don't get what the problem is with "top posting".
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** Top posters never do.

They don't see the problems they cause others with anything they do.

Just like autistic ,narcissist using bloody Hotmail.





............ Phil
 
Phil Allison wrote:
"Matthew Gunn" <matthewgunn_au@hotmail.com

Hey, I may get shot down for this but what is wrong with posting at the
top of the other messages?




** Use "top posting" as a Google search heading - then read what it
finds.

Grow up anytime.





.............. Phil


Why send me looking elsewhere for an answer? And don't tell me to grow
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up, I asked a perfectley valid question and if you have a problem with
"top posting" I would like to hear what it is, from you personally.
 
Matthew Gunn wrote:
I still don't get what the problem is with "top posting".
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<snipped>

Below taken from "Why should I not top-post?"
http://www.html-faq.com/etiquette/?toppost

"This newsgroup thrives on threaded discussions. There's no way to build
a threaded discussion with top-posting on a newsgroup whose majority
members conventionally use bottom-posting with selective relevant
quotebacks.

Top-posting severely inhibits others from understanding the
conversation, because the context of the conversation is lost.

One reason why top-posting is so disliked is that those who do it very
rarely bother to snip any of the preceding post(s) - they leave masses
of quoted text trailing underneath their (frequently very brief) reply.
This is very wasteful of resources, especially for those with slow
dial-up connections, or those who may be downloading to a laptop from a
mobile phone.

The next reason is that it is actually logical that the question should
come before the answer. To quote a poster in another newsgroup:

A. No.
Q. Does top-posting make sense?

A third reason is that it is often better for a reply to be interleaved
with the quoted text, paragraph by paragraph, as each individual point
is answered. Imagine if this were to be done with the reply before the
quote, rather than after it!

A fourth reason is that, although there are some groups where
top-posting is tolerated or even encouraged, it is generally
discouraged, and it is good manners in any social situation to go along
with what the majority are already doing when you arrive - e.g. not
lighting up in a non-smoking room, or complaining about smoke in a
designated smoking area, or stripping to the buff in a convent, or
hugging your overcoat around you at a nudist camp.

A knock-on effect of this is that the content of a top-poster's post is
less likely to be given attention than if they had posted in accordance
with custom and practice in the group."


Below taken from: "Quoting Style in Newsgroup Postings"
This article in full is worth a read.
http://www.xs4all.nl/%7ewijnands/nnq/nquote.html

"Q7: Why shouldn't I put my comments above the quoted material?

A7: Keep in mind that you're not writing just for the person whose
posting you're responding to. (If you are, you should be e-mailing your
response instead of posting it.) Thousands of other people may read what
you write. People who aren't directly involved in a discussion
themselves, and who are probably following several discussions at once,
usually follow the logic more easily when they can read the material in
more-or-less chronological order.

When you have just a single question and response, and they're both
short, and the discussion doesn't develop any further, it really doesn't
make that much difference in practice. But it's impossible to predict in
advance whether a response will draw another response. So in general,
it's best to put your response below the text that you're responding to."
 
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:44:09 +0800, "Alan Rutlidge" <rutlidge@<No_Spam>.iinet.net.au> wrote:

"Matthew Gunn" <matthewgunn_au@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:421027fa@quokka.wn.com.au...

Welcome to aus.electronics and the oh so delightful and welcoming replies
and remarks from our resident newsgroup insulter extraordinaire Phil
Allison.

Phil doesn't know the meaning of the word "subtle", so expect numerous
caustic remarks from him. Regulars automatically put on our rhinoceros
hides and flame suits just in case PA drops by, which unfortunately is far
too frequently.

Stick around for a bit longer and before too long you will get to experience
a lot more of Phil's unique form of hospitality. Phil believes he is the
first and last word in newsgroup etiquette. For some choice samples of his
unique style visit
http://members.iinet.net.au/~rutlidge/alanindex.html

For a view of the T-shirt dedicated to PA look here
http://members.iinet.net.au/~rutlidge/PA.jpg

BTW it isn't Phil in the pic. Phil's way too old.

Cheers,
Alan
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rofl
 
"Alan Rutlidge" <rutlidge@ <No_Spam>.iinet.net.au> wrote:
No, I don't have Tourette's syndrome, and it isn't me either. :)

Surely you have been posting here long enough to see the humour? :)

Cheers,
Alan
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Now that you mention it, I get it. :p I'm a little slow today as I've been
coding all day an non code things seem less than obvious.

--

Wing Wong.
Webpage: http://wing.ucc.asn.au
 
You are rude and ignorant.

Phil Allison wrote:
"Matthew Gunn" <matthewgunn_au@hotmail.com

Phil Allison wrote:


Hey, I may get shot down for this but what is wrong with posting at the
top of the other messages?

** Use "top posting" as a Google search heading - then read what it
finds.

Grow up anytime.




Why send me looking elsewhere for an answer?



** Cos that is where the best answer is to be found.



And don't tell me to grow up,



** Grow up.


I asked a perfectly valid question



** And I posted a serious and valid reply.



and if you have a problem with "top posting" I would like to hear what it
is, from you personally.



** Just keep holding your breath till you go blue in the face.

That's what brats usually do.





............... Phil
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I still don't get what the problem is with "top posting". To me, it
makes sense if you have already been following a thread you don't want
to have to scroll down to bottom of every message just to read what
someone has added. At the same time I don't have a problem with people
"bottom posting" or even putting their comments in the middle (sometimes
more appropriate).
I just don't see what the big problem is.

Alan Rutlidge
"Matthew Gunn" <matthewgunn_au@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:421027fa@quokka.wn.com.au...

You are rude and ignorant.

Phil Allison wrote:

"Matthew Gunn" <matthewgunn_au@hotmail.com


Phil Allison wrote:



Hey, I may get shot down for this but what is wrong with posting at

the

top of the other messages?

** Use "top posting" as a Google search heading - then read what it
finds.

Grow up anytime.




Why send me looking elsewhere for an answer?



** Cos that is where the best answer is to be found.




And don't tell me to grow up,



** Grow up.



I asked a perfectly valid question



** And I posted a serious and valid reply.




and if you have a problem with "top posting" I would like to hear what

it

is, from you personally.



** Just keep holding your breath till you go blue in the face.

That's what brats usually do.





............... Phil





Hi Matthew,

Welcome to aus.electronics and the oh so delightful and welcoming replies
and remarks from our resident newsgroup insulter extraordinaire Phil
Allison.

Phil doesn't know the meaning of the word "subtle", so expect numerous
caustic remarks from him. Regulars automatically put on our rhinoceros
hides and flame suits just in case PA drops by, which unfortunately is far
too frequently.

Stick around for a bit longer and before too long you will get to experience
a lot more of Phil's unique form of hospitality. Phil believes he is the
first and last word in newsgroup etiquette. For some choice samples of his
unique style visit
http://members.iinet.net.au/~rutlidge/alanindex.html

For a view of the T-shirt dedicated to PA look here
http://members.iinet.net.au/~rutlidge/PA.jpg

BTW it isn't Phil in the pic. Phil's way too old.

Cheers,
Alan
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"Matthew Gunn" <matthewgunn_au@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:42115226@quokka.wn.com.au...
So essentially it is because someone decided that was the way they like
it. I have no problem with going along with that but the convention
could work just as well if everyone top posted, so I don't see the need
to become abusive about it like Phil Allison


** A. No.
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** Q. Does top-posting make sense?

That was the best reason for not top-posting. As for the abuse, well, some
people have little to do.....

Cheers.

Ken
 
"Matthew Gunn" <matthewgunn_au@hotmail.com> wrote


You are rude and ignorant.

Phil Allison wrote:
"Matthew Gunn" <matthewgunn_au@hotmail.com
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***So are you for top posting and ignoring the suggestion given to you,by
whom is irrelevant.Get off your self righteous high horse and do what was
suggested,visit Google,type in top posting and read for yourself what has
upset lots of readers including me.

Brian Goldsmith.
 
"Matthew Gunn" <matthewgunn@hotmail.com> wrote

Piss off.

............... Phil


Settle down Phil.
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P.S. What's wrong with hotmail. Works fine for me. Never had a
problem. What problems have you encountered with it Phil?


**** "Allo,allo!!!! Who's a good little bottom poster then?


Brian Goldsmith.
 
"Matthew Gunn" wrote

I have read it, and I have found that I can quite easily follow top
posting. It is simply an arbitrary decision like driving on the right
or left hand side of the road. Now I do accept that if everyone is
driving on the right hand side of the road, then you would be crazy to
drive on the left hand side of the road.


*** You don't have the foggiest notion ,do you?
Driving on whatever side of the road is NOT an arbitary decision,it is a
mandatory one.
Top posting is an arbitary decision but the vast majority of posters prefer
that you
dont do that for very obvious reasons,many of which have been presented
here.
By the way,I notice that your horse died underneath you and you are now
bottom
posting.
Score one for common sense!
Brian Goldsmith.
 
Larry wrote:
Matthew Gunn wrote:

I still don't get what the problem is with "top posting".


snipped

Below taken from "Why should I not top-post?"
http://www.html-faq.com/etiquette/?toppost

"This newsgroup thrives on threaded discussions. There's no way to build
a threaded discussion with top-posting on a newsgroup whose majority
members conventionally use bottom-posting with selective relevant
quotebacks.

Top-posting severely inhibits others from understanding the
conversation, because the context of the conversation is lost.

One reason why top-posting is so disliked is that those who do it very
rarely bother to snip any of the preceding post(s) - they leave masses
of quoted text trailing underneath their (frequently very brief) reply.
This is very wasteful of resources, especially for those with slow
dial-up connections, or those who may be downloading to a laptop from a
mobile phone.

The next reason is that it is actually logical that the question should
come before the answer. To quote a poster in another newsgroup:

A. No.
Q. Does top-posting make sense?

A third reason is that it is often better for a reply to be interleaved
with the quoted text, paragraph by paragraph, as each individual point
is answered. Imagine if this were to be done with the reply before the
quote, rather than after it!

A fourth reason is that, although there are some groups where
top-posting is tolerated or even encouraged, it is generally
discouraged, and it is good manners in any social situation to go along
with what the majority are already doing when you arrive - e.g. not
lighting up in a non-smoking room, or complaining about smoke in a
designated smoking area, or stripping to the buff in a convent, or
hugging your overcoat around you at a nudist camp.

A knock-on effect of this is that the content of a top-poster's post is
less likely to be given attention than if they had posted in accordance
with custom and practice in the group."


Below taken from: "Quoting Style in Newsgroup Postings"
This article in full is worth a read.
http://www.xs4all.nl/%7ewijnands/nnq/nquote.html

"Q7: Why shouldn't I put my comments above the quoted material?

A7: Keep in mind that you're not writing just for the person whose
posting you're responding to. (If you are, you should be e-mailing your
response instead of posting it.) Thousands of other people may read what
you write. People who aren't directly involved in a discussion
themselves, and who are probably following several discussions at once,
usually follow the logic more easily when they can read the material in
more-or-less chronological order.

When you have just a single question and response, and they're both
short, and the discussion doesn't develop any further, it really doesn't
make that much difference in practice. But it's impossible to predict in
advance whether a response will draw another response. So in general,
it's best to put your response below the text that you're responding to."
Click to expand...
So essentially it is because someone decided that was the way they like
it. I have no problem with going along with that but the convention
could work just as well if everyone top posted, so I don't see the need
to become abusive about it like Phil Allison

"thegoons" <thegoons@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:377gv7F598qteU1@individual.net...

The guy asked for advice. Not intimidation.



** Nobody needs top posting shithead like you.

Piss off.

............... Phil


Settle down Phil.
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P.S. What's wrong with hotmail. Works fine for me. Never had a
problem. What problems have you encountered with it Phil?
 
"Brian Goldsmith"

By the way,I notice that your horse died underneath you and you are now
bottom posting.
Click to expand...


** Who was that horse I saw you talking to last night ??

That was no horse - that was an ass.




................. Phil
 
Brian Goldsmith wrote:
"Matthew Gunn" <matthewgunn_au@hotmail.com> wrote


You are rude and ignorant.

Phil Allison wrote:

"Matthew Gunn" <matthewgunn_au@hotmail.com



***So are you for top posting and ignoring the suggestion given to you,by
whom is irrelevant.Get off your self righteous high horse and do what was
suggested,visit Google,type in top posting and read for yourself what has
upset lots of readers including me.

Brian Goldsmith.


I have read it, and I have found that I can quite easily follow top
Click to expand...
posting. It is simply an arbitrary decision like driving on the right
or left hand side of the road. Now I do accept that if everyone is
driving on the right hand side of the road, then you would be crazy to
drive on the left hand side of the road. However, in the above example
I think there is cause for abuse, it would be dangerous. There is no
excuse for abusing someone just because they post differently to you.
Do you expect abuse if you bottom post in a newsgroup that top posts?
 
Brian Goldsmith wrote:
"Matthew Gunn" wrote

I have read it, and I have found that I can quite easily follow top
posting. It is simply an arbitrary decision like driving on the right
or left hand side of the road. Now I do accept that if everyone is
driving on the right hand side of the road, then you would be crazy to
drive on the left hand side of the road.


*** You don't have the foggiest notion ,do you?
Driving on whatever side of the road is NOT an arbitary decision,it is a
mandatory one.
It was an arbitrary decision taken by the government at the time.
Click to expand...
Otherwise every country in the world would drive on the same side.

Top posting is an arbitary decision but the vast majority of posters prefer
that you
dont do that for very obvious reasons,many of which have been presented
here.
By the way,I notice that your horse died underneath you and you are now
bottom
posting.
Score one for common sense!
Brian Goldsmith.


I had almost always bottom posted prior anyway. I only top posted then
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to make a point.
 
Phil Allison wrote:
"Brian Goldsmith"


By the way,I notice that your horse died underneath you and you are now
bottom posting.




** Who was that horse I saw you talking to last night ??

That was no horse - that was an ass.




................ Phil


So Phil, what is wrong with hotmail??
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