sluggish remote control...

On 2022-09-21 08:21, Charlie+ wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 16:08:09 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote
as underneath :

In sci.electronics.repair, on Tue, 20 Sep 2022 20:19:24 +0200, \"Carlos
E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

The Chunghop L336 universal learning remotes work well and are cheap
enough. All buttons programmable and remembered even if battery goes
flat. BUT - you do have to have a working unit to learn from even if its
on its last legs! C+

Good to know, thanks.

I wonder, if someone could publish libraries of codes to teach remotes
the \"language\" of some other remote in the library. Would save effort
and time.


--
Cheers, Carlos.
 
On 2022-09-20 06:03, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 20/9/22 05:41, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-09-19 18:00, Bob F wrote:
On 9/19/2022 8:52 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-09-18 16:44, Peter wrote:
On 9/17/2022 2:36 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

Is there a rubbery or even plastic material there that could be
breaking down? Some can release gooey liquid.

Nope. None that I could see.

The buttons are usually molded into a silicone sheet. The silicoen
starts to de-polymerise and that\'s where the liquid comes from - it\'s
silicone oil. You can clean it off with alcohol, but that just gives you
enough time to look for a new remote control.

I wonder if that is the degradation process that happens to kitchen
utensils, that have parts made in some kind of non slippery rubber.
After some years, they degrade and leak something like a glue and have
to be thrown to the garbage, unless the rubber part can be removed and
the thing still works.

It is not, apparently, what happened to my remote, as the buttons are
still, apparently, intact.

--
Cheers, Carlos.
 
On 9/20/2022 11:21 PM, Charlie+ wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 16:08:09 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote
as underneath :

In sci.electronics.repair, on Tue, 20 Sep 2022 20:19:24 +0200, \"Carlos
E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

Well, that started to happen when the remote was not old, and several
years later I\'m still using that machine. It is my only device that
developed that problem. I have (had, I threw them away this summer) TVs
older than that.

No one sells that ancient remote control AFAIK.

On ebay I found someone who sells universale remotes that he has
programmed for specific devices. They aren\'t univesal anymore and they
don\'t come with instructions how to make them universal or any other
model. I think I found it just by googling the model number, but on ebay
where I didn\'t expect them.

One time I think he wrote me that he was going to stop because he was\'t
making enough money anymore. I said Raise your price. He still would
have been cheaper then new old stock. (It occurs to me now that I only
know about my particular make and model, and I presume he sold many
different models.) I don\'t know what he decided to do. He had one
location in the USA and one in England, I think it was.

The Chunghop L336 universal learning remotes work well and are cheap
enough. All buttons programmable and remembered even if battery goes
flat. BUT - you do have to have a working unit to learn from even if its
on its last legs! C+

The now discontinued Logitech Harmony remotes have a very extensive list
of supported devices on the support website. They claim they will
continue support. I bought a couple used ones off Ebay for $10-15 and
love their capabilities. The ones with screens will usually offer access
to all the functions of the original remote without having to learn them
from the original remote.
 
On 9/21/2022 5:11 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-09-20 06:03, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 20/9/22 05:41, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-09-19 18:00, Bob F wrote:
On 9/19/2022 8:52 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-09-18 16:44, Peter wrote:
On 9/17/2022 2:36 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:


Is there a rubbery or even plastic material there that could be
breaking down? Some can release gooey liquid.

Nope. None that I could see.

The buttons are usually molded into a silicone sheet. The silicoen
starts to de-polymerise and that\'s where the liquid comes from - it\'s
silicone oil. You can clean it off with alcohol, but that just gives
you enough time to look for a new remote control.

I wonder if that is the degradation process that happens to kitchen
utensils, that have parts made in some kind of non slippery rubber.
After some years, they degrade and leak something like a glue and have
to be thrown to the garbage, unless the rubber part can be removed and
the thing still works.

It is not, apparently, what happened to my remote, as the buttons are
still, apparently, intact.

I had a snap-op screwdriver that had that happen to the black plastic
handle. It would just get sticky gooey crud all over it and leave a
puddle under it in the drawer. I stopped by a snap-on truck one day with
it, and he gave me a new \"better\" screwdriver in exchange.
 
On 9/21/22 01:21, Charlie+ wrote:

[snip]

earning remotes work well and are cheap
enough. All buttons programmable and remembered even if battery goes
flat. BUT - you do have to have a working unit to learn from even if its
on its last legs! C+

30 years ago I knew someone with an RCA TV where the remote failed, and
a new one cost about $70. RCA (then) did something strange with the
volume buttons so you couldn\'t use a $10 universal remote.

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On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:20:10 PM UTC-4, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-09-20 06:03, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 20/9/22 05:41, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-09-19 18:00, Bob F wrote:
On 9/19/2022 8:52 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-09-18 16:44, Peter wrote:
On 9/17/2022 2:36 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

I have another device that the remote failed yesterday to get a
response at some point. I could see a led blinking in the mode it
does to tell the user that it is getting a command from the IR
remote, yet it did not react. I had to power cycle the device -
that button did work. My guess is that the device had hung.


I had a similar problem recently with a Roku remote. The batteries
were good but some corrosion had developed at the end of the spring
that made contact with the (-) end of one of the batteries.
Cleaned it off with a stiff pencil eraser and problem solved.

That\'s what I thought the first time, battery leakage. I cleaned the
thing very carefully, assembled it, new batteries, and soon again it
had liquid inside the buttons. Actual tiny drops of some liquid. No
corrosion. I repeated the process. Nothing worked. Ah, the batteries
were dry all the time, and anyway, I changed to rechargeables.

Something in that remote picks humidity from air.


Is there a rubbery or even plastic material there that could be
breaking down? Some can release gooey liquid.

Nope. None that I could see.

The buttons are usually molded into a silicone sheet. The silicoen
starts to de-polymerise and that\'s where the liquid comes from - it\'s
silicone oil. You can clean it off with alcohol, but that just gives you
enough time to look for a new remote control.
Well, that started to happen when the remote was not old, and several
years later I\'m still using that machine. It is my only device that
developed that problem. I have (had, I threw them away this summer) TVs
older than that.

No one sells that ancient remote control AFAIK.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Yes, some mfg remote have better longevity than the others. Taking apart the remote control and cleaning the button sheet and the circuit board with alcohol (rubbing@70% or 90%) will remove the oils. The remote should then operate normally. Don\'t scrub the circuit board - gently wipe it with a antistatic wipe dipped in alcohol. If really in a pinch, a cotton swab/ball will work.
Get used to doing this - I have several remotes that require this cleaning process every 1-3 years, depending on the remote.
At some point in the life of the remote, the conductive coating on the silicon pad keys will erode away and that key function will no longer work. The contact material can be reapplied but since making a contact is a mechanical function, the material will erode again.
Good luck
J
 
On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 8:12:10 AM UTC-4, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-09-20 06:03, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 20/9/22 05:41, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-09-19 18:00, Bob F wrote:
On 9/19/2022 8:52 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-09-18 16:44, Peter wrote:
On 9/17/2022 2:36 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:


Is there a rubbery or even plastic material there that could be
breaking down? Some can release gooey liquid.

Nope. None that I could see.

The buttons are usually molded into a silicone sheet. The silicoen
starts to de-polymerise and that\'s where the liquid comes from - it\'s
silicone oil. You can clean it off with alcohol, but that just gives you
enough time to look for a new remote control.
I wonder if that is the degradation process that happens to kitchen
utensils, that have parts made in some kind of non slippery rubber.
After some years, they degrade and leak something like a glue and have
to be thrown to the garbage, unless the rubber part can be removed and
the thing still works.

It is not, apparently, what happened to my remote, as the buttons are
still, apparently, intact.

--
Cheers, Carlos.
I have not seen this happen to kitchen utensils. I have seen it happen to car radio head units, car climate control centers, and hand tools. I don\'t know of anyway to stop the process or clean up the mess.
 
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 21 Sep 2022 14:07:27 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-09-21 08:21, Charlie+ wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 16:08:09 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote
as underneath :

In sci.electronics.repair, on Tue, 20 Sep 2022 20:19:24 +0200, \"Carlos
E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


The Chunghop L336 universal learning remotes work well and are cheap
enough. All buttons programmable and remembered even if battery goes
flat. BUT - you do have to have a working unit to learn from even if its
on its last legs! C+


Good to know, thanks.

Yes indeed. Thanks Charlie+ I put it in my Amazon shopping cart for
next time I order things, although it\'s about $9 or 10 there and $5 or 6
other places with shipping. I\'ve found other places to be reliable,
although harder to r eturn, but I almost never return anything and I
don\'t know why I\'d return this, so I\'m asking myself, Why do I even
consider buying from Amazon.
I wonder, if someone could publish libraries of codes to teach remotes
the \"language\" of some other remote in the library. Would save effort
and time.

I had a long term plan to compare the 3-digit device codes that come in
various instruction to see if at least they are the same. But I\'ll
never get around to do doing the compare.
 

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