Slot Car the Freeways. Fuel Is Already Spiraling 1 cent/day

[AZDuffman]

On Apr 10, 11:42 am, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:

Some looneytarian will be outraged.  "You mean to tell me that I'm
going to pay taxes for someone else to drive around?!?!????  That's
THEFT!!!  The IRS is taking my money BY FORCE at the POINT OF A
GUN!!!!"

Then I answer, "it's cheaper for most individualists to pay taxes for
collective power than than trying to pay for oil.  Moreover, the
individualist 'right to travel' and freedom of communication are both
always 100% dependent on at least some public funding."

But your proposal does not assign costs to the individual for their
incramental use. It would be like if we paid income tax and could
just roll up to the Sinclair station and say, "Fill er up!"

 

[Rod Speed]

AZDuffman wrote:

On Apr 9, 5:53 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
AZDuffman wrote:
On Apr 9, 5:15 pm, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics AZDuffman <srduffy1...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Apr 9, 4:05 pm, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:
1. To sweeten things up private commuter EVs and hybrids won't be
metered for the electricity for the first 20 years -- whole new
meaning to the word "freeway." Only large trucks will pay in the
beginning.

2. Automakers only get federal money to build hybrids and EVs.

Bio fuel ain't gonna happen so why wait?

Bret Cahill

And who pays for the electricity?

The power utility will give to you free along with the extra outlet
that bypasses the meter, into which you will promise never to plug
in your air conditioner...

So, who is going to pay for the electricity? Electricity doesn't
just hapen for free, it must be generated.

They generate it using the scum in the jails on treadmills, stupid.-
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reams of your desperate attempt to bullshit your way out of your predicament
that fools absolutely no one at all, as always, flushed where it belongs

Can't even manage its own lines, or anything else at all, either.

Time for the euthenasia.

 

[Bret Cahill]

Some looneytarian will be outraged. ďż˝"You mean to tell me that I'm
going to pay taxes for someone else to drive around?!?!???? �That's
THEFT!!! �The IRS is taking my money BY FORCE at the POINT OF A
GUN!!!!"

Then I answer, "it's cheaper for most individualists to pay taxes for
collective power than than trying to pay for oil. �Moreover, the
individualist 'right to travel' and freedom of communication are both
always 100% dependent on at least some public funding."

But your proposal does not assign costs to the individual for their
incramental use.

True. Using electricity, even renewable electricity, should not be
completely subsidized either which is why everyone would eventually
pay for their own power after about 20 years.

�It would be like if we paid income tax and could
just roll up to the Sinclair station and say, "Fill er up!"

But since most are still using the equivalent of horse and buggies,
there won't be a lot of people doing that at the "gas station" in the
beginning.

Right now the gummint is subsidizing the use of oil, the most moronic
policy in the history of civilization.

I'm just saying we should subsidize something we can make.


Bret Cahill

 

[Mark M.]

AZDuffman wrote:

On Apr 10, 9:48 am, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:
1. To sweeten things up private commuter EVs and hybrids won't be
metered for the electricity for the first 20 years -- whole new
meaning to the word "freeway." Only large trucks will pay in the
beginning.
2. Automakers only get federal money to build hybrids and EVs.
Bio fuel ain't gonna happen so why wait?
Bret Cahill
And who pays for the electricity?
The same folk who paid for the transcontinental RR, the Eisenhower
interstate highway system, deep water ports, canals, the development
of the gas turbine, the moon landing and virtually every other major
transportation related project.

Transcontinental RR was paid for by the railroads. The land they were
given to build it was repaid in the form of discounts until 1944 or
so. It is estimated the Feds got back over 10 times their investment
of the free land.

Baloney.

From "A Call to Action,"(1892) by Congressman James B. Weaver:

http://yamaguchy.netfirms.com/7897401/weaver/action_04.html

"The seizure of public lands by corporations and capitalists through the medium
of Congressional grants professedly made 'to aid in the construction of
railroads,' has been a striking example of reckless legislation, of flagrant
disregard of public interests, and of the corrupting power of money to procure
gigantic steals, enlarge the robberies by Executive administration, and protect
the plunderers by judicial decisions. The blackest pages in the history of
legislative, administrative and judicial procedure in this country are
undoubtedly connected with the railroad land grant system. The total amount of
land embraced in unforfeited railroad land grants is estimated at one hundred
and fifty million acres, an area exceeding that of the combined states of Maine,
New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, New
Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland and Virginia, nearly one hundred
million of which is forfeitable under the granting acts."

Mark M.

 

[AZDuffman]

On Apr 10, 1:16 pm, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:

True.  Using electricity, even renewable electricity, should not be
completely subsidized either which is why everyone would eventually
pay for their own power after about 20 years.

So, please name a government subsidy to the public that has been
successfully phased out. I can see the headline after 18 years of
this program, "Electric Car Subsidy to End in Just Two Years--Women
and Minorities Expected to be Hardest Hit!"

Right now the gummint is subsidizing the use of oil, the most moronic
policy in the history of civilization.

No oil subsidy going on. If anything, government is raising the costs
by caving in to the envrionmental left and keeping the most promising
fields off limits. DRILL, BABY, DRILL!

I'm just saying we should subsidize something we can make.

Better yet, how about we subsidize nothing at all? Drake didn't ask
for a government guarantee when he drilled his first well.

 

[Bret Cahill]

All we need is a good, low cost battery and some car manufacturers that want
to make these vehicles.

All we need is:

Batteries an order of magnitude better than those that exist.

Does "better" have units?

Chose any you like; W/m^3, W/kg,

A one ton Li-ion battery can get a 80,000 lb semi rig over any freeway
mountain pass in the U. S. Since the tractor itself weighs over 7
tons, not to mention the trailer, the battery is a relatively minor
addition in overall weight.

Are you really this clueless about energy issues are you just acting
ignorant here to pull our legs?

.. . .

A cure for the common cold.

Last month Scripps-UCSD researchers announced a vaccine that works
against most strains of flu including bird flu.

Since the viri that cause the common cold and flu are always mutating,
it is not likely to ever happen unless someone comes up with the
equivelant of a broad spectrum antibiotic that kills viri and not
the host.

Google the story. It was hailed on the front page of the S.D. paper
as a great breakthrough is saving millions of lives.

Anyway antibiotics don't have any effect whatsoever on any virus.

Are you _really_ that ignorant of basic microbiotics or do you just
acting stoopid here for some intended effect?


Bret Cahill

 

In sci.physics Bret Cahill <BretCahill@aol.com> wrote:

All we need is a good, low cost battery and some car manufacturers that want
to make these vehicles.

All we need is:

Batteries an order of magnitude better than those that exist.

Does "better" have units?

Chose any you like; W/m^3, W/kg,

A one ton Li-ion battery can get a 80,000 lb semi rig over any freeway
mountain pass in the U. S. Since the tractor itself weighs over 7
tons, not to mention the trailer, the battery is a relatively minor
addition in overall weight.

Irrelevant; can it go 1,500 miles at 70 MPH without recharging
and can it be recharged in less than a half hour?

Are you really this clueless about energy issues are you just acting
ignorant here to pull our legs?

Are you really this clueless about how the real world works or are you
just a frothing kook?

A cure for the common cold.

Last month Scripps-UCSD researchers announced a vaccine that works
against most strains of flu including bird flu.

Since the viri that cause the common cold and flu are always mutating,
it is not likely to ever happen unless someone comes up with the
equivelant of a broad spectrum antibiotic that kills viri and not
the host.

Google the story. It was hailed on the front page of the S.D. paper
as a great breakthrough is saving millions of lives.

Anyway antibiotics don't have any effect whatsoever on any virus.

That's why the phrase "equivelant of" was in my sentenence.

Are you _really_ that ignorant of basic microbiotics or do you just
acting stoopid here for some intended effect?

Are you really that ignorant of the English language that you can't
understand the meaning of the word "equivelant" or are you just a
frothing kook?


--
Jim Pennino

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[Michael A. Terrell]

rlbell wrote:

On Apr 10, 11:29 am, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:


Are you really this clueless about energy issues are you just acting
ignorant here to pull our legs?


. . .

Are you _really_ that ignorant of basic microbiotics or do you just
acting stoopid here for some intended effect?

Bret Cahill

Bret, stop acting like the pot calling the kettle black.

It sounds like he already smoked all the pot.


--
And another motherboard bites the dust!

 

In sci.physics Bret Cahill <BretCahill@aol.com> wrote:

All we need is a good, low cost battery and some car manufacturers that want
to make these vehicles.

All we need is:

Batteries an order of magnitude better than those that exist.

Does "better" have units?

Chose any you like; W/m^3, W/kg,

A one ton Li-ion battery can get a 80,000 lb semi rig over any freeway
mountain pass in the U. S. �Since the tractor itself weighs over 7
tons, not to mention the trailer, the battery is a relatively minor
addition in overall weight.

Irrelevant;

You have any clue on the magnitude of the mechanical energy converted
to useless heat by compression braking?

Not relevant to the discussion.

can it go 1,500 miles at 70 MPH without recharging

That's why we need to slot car the freeways.

Kook babble.

Are you really this stoopid or are you just acting dumb here for some
effect?

Anyway DOT won't allow long haul solo drivers to go even half that
distance.

Not relevant to the discussion.

and can it be recharged in less than a half hour?

You know the percent of truckers who average less than one hour in a
truck stop?

Are you really this clueless about energy issues are you just acting
ignorant here to pull our legs?

Are you really

Don't dodge the question. I really want to know.

You are presenting yourself as a complete dunce.

Why are you doing it?

You are presenting yourself as a drooling kook.

Why are you doing it?

. . .

A cure for the common cold.

Last month Scripps-UCSD researchers announced a vaccine that works
against most strains of flu including bird flu.

Since the viri that cause the common cold and flu are always mutating,
it is not likely to ever happen unless someone comes up with the
equivelant of a broad spectrum antibiotic that kills viri and not
the host.

Google the story. �It was hailed on the front page of the S.D. paper
as a great breakthrough is saving millions of lives.

Anyway antibiotics don't have any effect whatsoever on any virus.

That's why the phrase "equivelant of" was in my sentenence.

Give up. Everyone now knows you are a moron.

Give up. Everyone now knows you are a frothing kook.


--
Jim Pennino

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[rlbell]

On Apr 10, 11:16 am, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:

I'm just saying we should subsidize something we can make.

No. Nothing should be subsidized, just because it can be made in the
US. Electrifying intercity transportation will require an expansion
of the grid. As you propose a a subsidy to cover the costs for the
first twenty years, the chosen form of generating that electricity
must be really cheap to purchase on a per watt basis, really cheap to
run on a per kilowatt*hour basis, and have a long service life, so
that it only has to bought once in the first twenty years (preferably
longer). So if you are not simultaneously advocating an expansion of
nuclear power, you are proposing to convert the transportation sector
to run on coal.

If you want your electricty to be cheap, dispatchable, and
environmentally friendly, you are stuck with nuclear power.

Any electricity that you have to subsidize is too expensive to use for
transportation.

 

[rlbell]

On Apr 10, 11:29 am, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:

Are you really this clueless about energy issues are you just acting
ignorant here to pull our legs?

.. . .

Are you _really_ that ignorant of basic microbiotics or do you just
acting stoopid here for some intended effect?

Bret Cahill

Bret, stop acting like the pot calling the kettle black.

 

In sci.physics Bret Cahill <BretCahill@aol.com> wrote:

All we need is a good, low cost battery and some car manufacturers that want
to make these vehicles.

All we need is:

Batteries an order of magnitude better than those that exist.

Does "better" have units?

Chose any you like; W/m^3, W/kg,

A one ton Li-ion battery can get a 80,000 lb semi rig over any freeway
mountain pass in the U. S. Since the tractor itself weighs over 7
tons, not to mention the trailer, the battery is a relatively minor
addition in overall weight.

Irrelevant;

You have any clue on the magnitude of the mechanical energy converted
to useless heat by compression braking?

Not relevant to the discussion.

Energy efficiency isn't relevant to energy efficiency?

The meaningful parameter is energy density, not energy efficiency.

Do try to keep up.

can it go 1,500 miles at 70 MPH without recharging

1500 miles at 70 mph takes 21 hours.

DOT won't allow 21 hours driving.

Irrelevant to the discussion and most long haul trucking is by teams
anyway.

Anyway, if you want to go 3,000 miles without stopping you'll need to
slotcar the freeways.

Where did the number 3,000 come from? One of your kook delusions?

You know the percent of truckers who average less than one hour in a
truck stop?

No answer?

The question is irrelevant kook froth.

Why do you persist in making yourself look more and more stoopid?

Why do you persist in making yourself look more and more kooky?


--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.

 

[Bret Cahill]

All we need is a good, low cost battery and some car manufacturers that want
to make these vehicles.

All we need is:

Batteries an order of magnitude better than those that exist.

Does "better" have units?

Chose any you like; W/m^3, W/kg,

A one ton Li-ion battery can get a 80,000 lb semi rig over any freeway
mountain pass in the U. S. �Since the tractor itself weighs over 7
tons, not to mention the trailer, the battery is a relatively minor
addition in overall weight.

Irrelevant;

You have any clue on the magnitude of the mechanical energy converted
to useless heat by compression braking?

can it go 1,500 miles at 70 MPH without recharging

That's why we need to slot car the freeways.

Are you really this stoopid or are you just acting dumb here for some
effect?

Anyway DOT won't allow long haul solo drivers to go even half that
distance.

and can it be recharged in less than a half hour?

You know the percent of truckers who average less than one hour in a
truck stop?

Are you really this clueless about energy issues are you just acting
ignorant here to pull our legs?

Are you really

Don't dodge the question. I really want to know.

You are presenting yourself as a complete dunce.

Why are you doing it?

.. . .

A cure for the common cold.

Last month Scripps-UCSD researchers announced a vaccine that works
against most strains of flu including bird flu.

Since the viri that cause the common cold and flu are always mutating,
it is not likely to ever happen unless someone comes up with the
equivelant of a broad spectrum antibiotic that kills viri and not
the host.

Google the story. �It was hailed on the front page of the S.D. paper
as a great breakthrough is saving millions of lives.

Anyway antibiotics don't have any effect whatsoever on any virus.

That's why the phrase "equivelant of" was in my sentenence.

Give up. Everyone now knows you are a moron.


Bret Cahill

 

[Bret Cahill]

I'm just saying we should subsidize something we can make.

No. ďż˝

Yes.

Nothing should be subsidized, just because it can be made in the
US. �Electrifying intercity transportation will require an expansion
of the grid. �As you propose a a subsidy to cover the costs for the
first twenty years, the chosen form of generating that electricity
must be really cheap to purchase on a per watt basis, really cheap to
run on a per kilowatt*hour basis, and have a long service life, so
that it only has to bought once in the first twenty years (preferably
longer). �So if you are not simultaneously advocating an expansion of
nuclear power, you are proposing to convert the transportation sector
to run on coal.

If you want your electricty to be cheap, dispatchable, and
environmentally friendly, you are stuck with nuclear power.

Well we're certainly stuck on the side of the road with fuel prices
spiraling without limit.

If fuel is going up one cent/day in the middle of the greatest
economic contraction since the Great Depression what do you think it
will do during a recovery?

Any electricity that you have to subsidize is too expensive to use for
transportation.

I don't see anyone holding a gun to any looneytarian's head forcing
him to live in the collectively acquired collectively defended
territory of the U. S. and pay taxes.

You can leave any time.

Call 1-800-FLY-4-LESs and book the next one way flight to Mogadishu in
low tax paradise Somalia.

Take yer gun. Maybe you can get a job as a pirate.


Bret Cahill

 

[Bret Cahill]

All we need is a good, low cost battery and some car manufacturers that want
to make these vehicles.

All we need is:

Batteries an order of magnitude better than those that exist.

Does "better" have units?

Chose any you like; W/m^3, W/kg,

A one ton Li-ion battery can get a 80,000 lb semi rig over any freeway
mountain pass in the U. S. Since the tractor itself weighs over 7
tons, not to mention the trailer, the battery is a relatively minor
addition in overall weight.

Irrelevant;

You have any clue on the magnitude of the mechanical energy converted
to useless heat by compression braking?

Not relevant to the discussion.

Energy efficiency isn't relevant to energy efficiency?

As usual you have no numbers whatsoever to contribute.

can it go 1,500 miles at 70 MPH without recharging

1500 miles at 70 mph takes 21 hours.

DOT won't allow 21 hours driving.

Anyway, if you want to go 3,000 miles without stopping you'll need to
slotcar the freeways.


.. . .

You know the percent of truckers who average less than one hour in a
truck stop?

No answer?

Our numberless bull artist can't even think of something stoopid to
say?

Are you really this clueless about energy issues are you just acting
ignorant here to pull our legs?

Are you really

Don't dodge the question. �I really want to know.

You are presenting yourself as a complete dunce.

Why are you doing it?

You are

Don't dodge the question.

You have no numbers that don't make you look stoopid.

Why do you persist in making yourself look more and more stoopid?


Bret Cahill

 

[Bret Cahill]

1. To sweeten things up private commuter EVs and hybrids won't be
metered for the electricity for the first 20 years -- whole new
meaning to the word "freeway." Only large trucks will pay in the
beginning.
2. Automakers only get federal money to build hybrids and EVs.
Bio fuel ain't gonna happen so why wait?
Bret Cahill
And who pays for the electricity?
The same folk who paid for the transcontinental RR, the Eisenhower
interstate highway system, deep water ports, canals, the development
of the gas turbine, the moon landing and virtually every other major
transportation related project.

Transcontinental RR was paid for by the railroads. �The land they were
given to build it was repaid in the form of discounts until 1944 or
so. �It is estimated the Feds got back over 10 times their investment
of the free land.

Baloney.

�From "A Call to Action,"(1892) by Congressman James B. Weaver:

http://yamaguchy.netfirms.com/7897401/weaver/action_04.html

"The seizure of public lands by corporations and capitalists through the medium
of Congressional grants professedly made 'to aid in the construction of
railroads,' has been a striking example of reckless legislation, of flagrant
disregard of public interests, and of the corrupting power of money to procure
gigantic steals, enlarge the robberies by Executive administration, and protect
the plunderers by judicial decisions. �The blackest pages in the history of
legislative, administrative and judicial procedure in this country are
undoubtedly connected with the railroad land grant system. �The total amount of
land embraced in unforfeited railroad land grants is estimated at one hundred
and fifty million acres, an area exceeding that of the combined states of Maine,
New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, New
Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland and Virginia, nearly one hundred
million of which is forfeitable under the granting acts."

On the plus side Southern Pacific helped "acquire" southern Arizona.


Bret Cahill

 

[rlbell]

On Apr 10, 3:05 pm, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:

I'm just saying we should subsidize something we can make.

No.

Yes.

Unless Obama stops his deficit spending (his first eight weeks have
authorised more deficit spending than Bush's previous eight years),
there will either be no government money for subsidies or inflation
will dissolve the wealth needed by capitalists to build anything.

Anything not worth making is not worth subsidising.

Nothing should be subsidized, just because it can be made in the
US. Electrifying intercity transportation will require an expansion
of the grid. As you propose a a subsidy to cover the costs for the
first twenty years, the chosen form of generating that electricity
must be really cheap to purchase on a per watt basis, really cheap to
run on a per kilowatt*hour basis, and have a long service life, so
that it only has to bought once in the first twenty years (preferably
longer). So if you are not simultaneously advocating an expansion of
nuclear power, you are proposing to convert the transportation sector
to run on coal.

If you want your electricty to be cheap, dispatchable, and
environmentally friendly, you are stuck with nuclear power.

Well we're certainly stuck on the side of the road with fuel prices
spiraling without limit.

If fuel is going up one cent/day in the middle of the greatest
economic contraction since the Great Depression what do you think it
will do during a recovery?

Oil is less than half of the price that you were complaining about,
last year. Also, how does this non-sequitur affect whether we should
be pushing nuclear power or rolling black-outs?

Any electricity that you have to subsidize is too expensive to use for
transportation.

I don't see anyone holding a gun to any looneytarian's head forcing
him to live in the collectively acquired collectively defended
territory of the U. S. and pay taxes.

Where do you think the money to pay for subsidies comes from? The
government does not magic money into existance so that preferred
technologies get subsidies. The government collects taxes, borrows
money, and spends it on many things, including subsidies. As debt
must be repaid with taxes, at the end, all subsidies are paid with
taxed money. In a recession, or depression, the government gets less
taxes, so if the government is going to subsidize something, it better
be cheap to begin with. Nuclear power is cheap enough that if
capitalists are merely allowed to build it, they will build it with no
subsidy, at all-- nuclear reactors that survived needless extra legal
costs are now making huge profits for their operators.

You can leave any time.

Call 1-800-FLY-4-LESs and book the next one way flight to Mogadishu in
low tax paradise Somalia.

Take yer gun. Maybe you can get a job as a pirate.

Bret Cahill

I am not complaining about taxes, I am complaining about government
waste.

 

[Eeyore]

Bret Cahill wrote:

1. To sweeten things up private commuter EVs and hybrids won't be
metered for the electricity for the first 20 years -- whole new
meaning to the word "freeway." Only large trucks will pay in the
beginning.

2. Automakers only get federal money to build hybrids and EVs.

How about the far superior 40% efficient ( ignoring the use of heat
output for cabin heating ) 'next generation' diesels ?

Bio fuel ain't gonna happen so why wait?

Bio fuel has already happened.

Graham

 

[Bret Cahill]

1. �To sweeten things up private commuter EVs and hybrids won't be
metered for the electricity for the first 20 years -- whole new
meaning to the word "freeway." ďż˝ Only large trucks will pay in the
beginning.

2. �Automakers only get federal money to build hybrids and EVs.

How about the far superior 40% efficient ( ignoring the use of heat
output for cabin heating ) 'next generation' diesels ?

How about doing the math?

Today diesel is $2.20/gallon.

Today diesels get 30% efficiency.

Today, in the middle of the greatest global economic contraction since
the 1930s fuel is spiraling at 1 cent / day.

Even if you _double_ efficiency then the overall savings will be wiped
out before the end of the year.

Three years from now with the new 60% efficient diesels it will cost
four times more to move produce than it does now with the 30%
efficient diesels.

Now consider that the guy with neatly trimmed facial hair at the Fed
is looking for any pretext whatsoever to jack up interest rates and
throw the world into another recession.

Spiraling oil and related prices will provide him with that pretext.

Either we electrify the freeways now or it will be one recession after
another until voters figger it out and electrify the freeways.

George Soros automatically assumes idiots will take a decade or so to
figger it out which is why he is so certain we'll be in a decades long
recession.

Anyone care to bet against Soros?


Bret Cahill

 

[rlbell]

On Apr 11, 8:51 am, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:

1. To sweeten things up private commuter EVs and hybrids won't be
metered for the electricity for the first 20 years -- whole new
meaning to the word "freeway." Only large trucks will pay in the
beginning.

2. Automakers only get federal money to build hybrids and EVs.

How about the far superior 40% efficient ( ignoring the use of heat
output for cabin heating ) 'next generation' diesels ?

How about doing the math?

Today diesel is $2.20/gallon.

Today diesels get 30% efficiency.

Depends on size, complexity, and materials. In the 1950's, the Napier
Nomad produced cruise rated power at 45% efficiency. Large, non-turbo
marine diesels regularily get 50% efficiency.

Today, in the middle of the greatest global economic contraction since
the 1930s fuel is spiraling at 1 cent / day.

The current economic contraction is bigger than all other contractions
than except the 1930's, but it is currently less than a fifth as
severe The Great Depression. It will take a lot of government
intervention to make it even half as bad.

Even if you _double_ efficiency then the overall savings will be wiped
out before the end of the year.

I have noted only minor fuel cost variations over the last five
months.

Three years from now with the new 60% efficient diesels it will cost
four times more to move produce than it does now with the 30%
efficient diesels.

Now consider that the guy with neatly trimmed facial hair at the Fed
is looking for any pretext whatsoever to jack up interest rates and
throw the world into another recession.

He will only jack up interest rates if it will get more foreign money
buying US T-bills, or if too much credit causes inflation. Except for
those circumstances, expect rates to stay low

Spiraling oil and related prices will provide him with that pretext.

The only spiralling oil prices have done recently is downwards. It
will change, but not before the recovery, so (going by your George
Soros prediction) $45-$60 per barrel oil is here for years.

Either we electrify the freeways now or it will be one recession after
another until voters figger it out and electrify the freeways.

George Soros automatically assumes idiots will take a decade or so to
figger it out which is why he is so certain we'll be in a decades long
recession.

Anyone care to bet against Soros?

Soros is up to his armpits in commercial paper. The short and certain
way out of the recession is to let troubled financial entities fail,
so that other financial entities learn that mistakes are bad. The
survivors are all stronger and FDIC softens the blows upon
depositors. Of course the large holders of commercial paper, will be
punished for their short-sighted greed. The longer recovery through
massive government intervention might allow the holders of toxic
investments to recover value (overly optimistic, if you ask me), so
Soros is hoping the long recovery strategy will keep him a
billionaire.


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