Slot Car the Freeways. Fuel Is Already Spiraling 1 cent/day

[Bret Cahill]

1. To sweeten things up private commuter EVs and hybrids won't be
metered for the electricity for the first 20 years -- whole new
meaning to the word "freeway." Only large trucks will pay in the
beginning.

2. Automakers only get federal money to build hybrids and EVs.

Bio fuel ain't gonna happen so why wait?


Bret Cahill

 

In sci.physics AZDuffman <srduffy1126@gmail.com> wrote:

On Apr 9, 4:05 pm, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:
1.  To sweeten things up private commuter EVs and hybrids won't be
metered for the electricity for the first 20 years -- whole new
meaning to the word "freeway."   Only large trucks will pay in the
beginning.

2.  Automakers only get federal money to build hybrids and EVs.

Bio fuel ain't gonna happen so why wait?

Bret Cahill

And who pays for the electricity?

The power utility will give to you free along with the extra outlet
that bypasses the meter, into which you will promise never to plug
in your air conditioner...


--
Jim Pennino

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In sci.physics AZDuffman <srduffy1126@gmail.com> wrote:

On Apr 9, 5:15 pm, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics AZDuffman <srduffy1...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Apr 9, 4:05 pm, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:
1.  To sweeten things up private commuter EVs and hybrids won't be
metered for the electricity for the first 20 years -- whole new
meaning to the word "freeway."   Only large trucks will pay in the
beginning.

2.  Automakers only get federal money to build hybrids and EVs.

Bio fuel ain't gonna happen so why wait?

Bret Cahill

And who pays for the electricity?

The power utility will give to you free along with the extra outlet
that bypasses the meter, into which you will promise never to plug
in your air conditioner...

So, who is going to pay for the electricity? Electricity doesn't just
hapen for free, it must be generated.

The power utilities will give to you free out of the goodness of their
hearts of course.


--
Jim Pennino

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[Rod Speed]

AZDuffman wrote:

On Apr 9, 5:15 pm, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics AZDuffman <srduffy1...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Apr 9, 4:05 pm, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:
1. To sweeten things up private commuter EVs and hybrids won't be
metered for the electricity for the first 20 years -- whole new
meaning to the word "freeway." Only large trucks will pay in the
beginning.

2. Automakers only get federal money to build hybrids and EVs.

Bio fuel ain't gonna happen so why wait?

Bret Cahill

And who pays for the electricity?

The power utility will give to you free along with the extra outlet
that bypasses the meter, into which you will promise never to plug
in your air conditioner...

So, who is going to pay for the electricity? Electricity doesn't just
hapen for free, it must be generated.

They generate it using the scum in the jails on treadmills, stupid.

 

[AZDuffman]

On Apr 9, 4:05 pm, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:

1.  To sweeten things up private commuter EVs and hybrids won't be
metered for the electricity for the first 20 years -- whole new
meaning to the word "freeway."   Only large trucks will pay in the
beginning.

2.  Automakers only get federal money to build hybrids and EVs.

Bio fuel ain't gonna happen so why wait?

Bret Cahill

And who pays for the electricity?

 

[AZDuffman]

On Apr 9, 5:15 pm, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

In sci.physics AZDuffman <srduffy1...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Apr 9, 4:05 pm, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:
1.  To sweeten things up private commuter EVs and hybrids won't be
metered for the electricity for the first 20 years -- whole new
meaning to the word "freeway."   Only large trucks will pay in the
beginning.

2.  Automakers only get federal money to build hybrids and EVs.

Bio fuel ain't gonna happen so why wait?

Bret Cahill

And who pays for the electricity?

The power utility will give to you free along with the extra outlet
that bypasses the meter, into which you will promise never to plug
in your air conditioner...

So, who is going to pay for the electricity? Electricity doesn't just
hapen for free, it must be generated.

 

On Apr 9, 5:53 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:

So, who is going to pay for the electricity?  Electricity doesn't just
hapen for free, it must be generated.

They generate it using the scum in the jails on treadmills, stupid.

Those who haven't yet been made into soylent green, of course.

 

[Rob Dekker]

"AZDuffman" <srduffy1126@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Apr 9, 5:15 pm, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

In sci.physics AZDuffman <srduffy1...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Apr 9, 4:05 pm, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:
1. To sweeten things up private commuter EVs and hybrids won't be
metered for the electricity for the first 20 years -- whole new
meaning to the word "freeway." Only large trucks will pay in the
beginning.

2. Automakers only get federal money to build hybrids and EVs.

Bio fuel ain't gonna happen so why wait?

Bret Cahill

And who pays for the electricity?

The power utility will give to you free along with the extra outlet
that bypasses the meter, into which you will promise never to plug
in your air conditioner...

So, who is going to pay for the electricity? Electricity doesn't just
hapen for free, it must be generated.

----

Not sure where Bret gets the idea that the electricity would be free.
But there are two reasons why electric vehicles are cheaper to run than ICEs
:

(1) Electric power can be generated at higher efficiency than ICEs in
traditional cars.
Electric power plants run at 40% or more, ICEs run at 20% or less.
(2) Electric power can be generated from many different sources (coal,
nuclear, nat.gas., hydro, renewables etc), while ICEs need liquid fuel
(derived from oil). The cost of these other sources is considerably less
(per BTU) than oil. That is one reason why electricity is NOT generated from
liquid fuels. It would simply be too expensive.

These two reasons result in a 2-4X reduction in cost for electric powered
vehicles versus gasoline (or other liquid fuel) vehicles.
That means you 'pump' electric grid power for less than $1/gallon
equivalent.

That's it in gross terms why electric drive is cheaper than gasoline
vehicles.
All we need is a good, low cost battery and some car manufacturers that want
to make these vehicles.

Rob

 

[zzbunker@netscape.net]

On Apr 9, 4:05 pm, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:

1.  To sweeten things up private commuter EVs and hybrids won't be
metered for the electricity for the first 20 years -- whole new
meaning to the word "freeway."   Only large trucks will pay in the
beginning.

2.  Automakers only get federal money to build hybrids and EVs.

Bio fuel ain't gonna happen so why wait?

Well, no reason, since the people with brains never claimed
that biofuel was going to happen to the retarded highway system
anyway.
Since the highways only happen to flourescent retards to start with.

Bret Cahill

 

[AZDuffman]

On Apr 9, 5:53 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:

AZDuffman wrote:
On Apr 9, 5:15 pm, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics AZDuffman <srduffy1...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Apr 9, 4:05 pm, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:
1. To sweeten things up private commuter EVs and hybrids won't be
metered for the electricity for the first 20 years -- whole new
meaning to the word "freeway." Only large trucks will pay in the
beginning.

2. Automakers only get federal money to build hybrids and EVs.

Bio fuel ain't gonna happen so why wait?

Bret Cahill

And who pays for the electricity?

The power utility will give to you free along with the extra outlet
that bypasses the meter, into which you will promise never to plug
in your air conditioner...

So, who is going to pay for the electricity?  Electricity doesn't just
hapen for free, it must be generated.

They generate it using the scum in the jails on treadmills, stupid.- Hide quoted text -

<reams of your desperate attempt to bullshit your way out of your
predicament
that fools absolutely no one at all, as always, flushed where it
belongs>

 

[AZDuffman]

On Apr 10, 4:17 am, "Rob Dekker" <r...@verific.com> wrote:

"AZDuffman" <srduffy1...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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On Apr 9, 5:15 pm, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:





In sci.physics AZDuffman <srduffy1...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Apr 9, 4:05 pm, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:
1. To sweeten things up private commuter EVs and hybrids won't be
metered for the electricity for the first 20 years -- whole new
meaning to the word "freeway." Only large trucks will pay in the
beginning.

2. Automakers only get federal money to build hybrids and EVs.

Bio fuel ain't gonna happen so why wait?

Bret Cahill

And who pays for the electricity?

The power utility will give to you free along with the extra outlet
that bypasses the meter, into which you will promise never to plug
in your air conditioner...

So, who is going to pay for the electricity?  Electricity doesn't just
hapen for free, it must be generated.

----

Not sure where Bret gets the idea that the electricity would be free.
But there are two reasons why electric vehicles are cheaper to run than ICEs
:

(1) Electric power can be generated at higher efficiency than ICEs in
traditional cars.
Electric power plants run at 40% or more, ICEs run at 20% or less.
(2) Electric power can be generated from many different sources (coal,
nuclear, nat.gas., hydro, renewables etc), while ICEs need liquid fuel
(derived from oil). The cost of these other sources is considerably less
(per BTU) than oil. That is one reason why electricity is NOT generated from
liquid fuels. It would simply be too expensive.

These two reasons result in a 2-4X reduction in cost for electric powered
vehicles versus gasoline (or other liquid fuel) vehicles.
That means you 'pump' electric grid power for less than $1/gallon
equivalent.

That's it in gross terms why electric drive is cheaper than gasoline
vehicles.
All we need is a good, low cost battery and some car manufacturers that want
to make these vehicles.

The battery has always been the thing and IMHO always will. Power
just seems to not want to be stored. Your post only gets half the
advantages to electric, though. Electric motots are "off" when
sitting while ICEs must idle. Second, anyone can watch and see that
an electric motor gets up to full power faster than an ICE, and keeps
at its full power easier than an ICE keeps at the top of its power
curve.

But it still all comes down to storing the power. They have been
promising better batteries for 40 years now, 100 + if you go all the
way back. Again, I just don't think it will happen. GM has the best
idea so far with the Volt. Plug-in when you can, charge it locomotive-
style when you must.

 

In sci.physics Rob Dekker <rob@verific.com> wrote:

All we need is a good, low cost battery and some car manufacturers that want
to make these vehicles.

All we need is:

Batteries an order of magnitude better than those that exist.

Solar panels with a delivered, total cost an order of magnitude better
than those that exist.

Working, continuous, controlled fusion.

Artificial intelligence.

A cure for the common cold.


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[Bret Cahill]

1. �To sweeten things up private commuter EVs and hybrids won't be
metered for the electricity for the first 20 years -- whole new
meaning to the word "freeway." ďż˝ Only large trucks will pay in the
beginning.

2. �Automakers only get federal money to build hybrids and EVs.

Bio fuel ain't gonna happen so why wait?

Bret Cahill

And who pays for the electricity?

The same folk who paid for the transcontinental RR, the Eisenhower
interstate highway system, deep water ports, canals, the development
of the gas turbine, the moon landing and virtually every other major
transportation related project.

Are you _really_ this stoopid in real life or do you just like to act
that way here?


Bret Cahill

 

In sci.physics Bret Cahill <BretCahill@aol.com> wrote:

All we need is a good, low cost battery and some car manufacturers that want
to make these vehicles.

All we need is:

Batteries an order of magnitude better than those that exist.

Does "better" have units?

Chose any you like; W/m^3, W/kg, it doesn't matter, and multiply by 10.

Are you this moronic in real life or are you just acting dumb here?

Are you always a drooling kook or are you just acting like one here?

A cure for the common cold.

Last month Scripps-UCSD researchers announced a vaccine that works
against most strains of flu including bird flu.

Since the viri that cause the common cold and flu are always mutating,
it is not likely to ever happen unless someone comes up with the
equivelant of a broad spectrum antibiotic that kills viri and not
the host.

<snip political kook frothing>


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[Bret Cahill]

1. To sweeten things up private commuter EVs and hybrids won't be
metered for the electricity for the first 20 years -- whole new
meaning to the word "freeway." Only large trucks will pay in the
beginning.

2. Automakers only get federal money to build hybrids and EVs.

Bio fuel ain't gonna happen so why wait?

Bret Cahill

And who pays for the electricity?

The power utility will give to you free along with the extra outlet
that bypasses the meter, into which you will promise never to plug
in your air conditioner...

So, who is going to pay for the electricity? �Electricity doesn't just
hapen for free, it must be generated.

Not sure where Bret gets the idea that the electricity would be free.

It's never free for large trucks who represent as much diesel
consumption/mile on busy freeways as a RR's main line.

And after two decades even personal vehicles would pay.

You want to jump start a full blown hybrid electric vehicle industry?

You'll need a carrot as well as the stick of fuel taxes.

But there are two reasons why electric vehicles are cheaper to run than ICEs
:

(1) Electric power can be generated at higher efficiency than ICEs in
traditional cars.
Electric power plants run at 40% or more, ICEs run at 20% or less.
(2) Electric power can be generated from many different sources (coal,
nuclear, nat.gas., hydro, renewables etc), while ICEs need liquid fuel
(derived from oil). The cost of these other sources is considerably less
(per BTU) than oil. That is one reason why electricity is NOT generated from
liquid fuels. It would simply be too expensive.

These two reasons result in a 2-4X reduction in cost for electric powered
vehicles versus gasoline (or other liquid fuel) vehicles.
That means you 'pump' electric grid power for less than $1/gallon
equivalent.

That's it in gross terms why electric drive is cheaper than gasoline
vehicles.
All we need is a good, low cost battery and some car manufacturers that want
to make these vehicles.

Better batteries are likely but the general public doesn't know that.
Even materials scientists -- what am I saying? -- even the _inventors_
of future batteries don't know that.

Moreover, any "super battery" will still have some life span cost
which can be reduced by electrification.

So why wait for better batteries?

Why wait for the peak oil crisis that even some rightarded
looneytarian global warming deniers will admit is certain?

Europeans should lead the way here as they have no oil, lots of nukes,
lots of electric rail and little land to waste on bio fuel. Europe
also has the right political orientation.


Bret Cahill


"In proportion as a nation becomes more industrialized, it feels a
greater need for roads, canals, ports, and other semi public works
which _aid the growth of wealth_. The more democratic the nation is,
the harder it is for private people to undertake such works and the
easier it is for the state to do so. I say confidently that there is
a clear tendency for all governments now to undertake such matters on
as their sole responsibility."

-- Alexis deTocqueville _Democracy In America_ (Almost a century
before Keynes)

 

[AZDuffman]

On Apr 10, 9:48 am, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:

1. To sweeten things up private commuter EVs and hybrids won't be
metered for the electricity for the first 20 years -- whole new
meaning to the word "freeway." Only large trucks will pay in the
beginning.

2. Automakers only get federal money to build hybrids and EVs.

Bio fuel ain't gonna happen so why wait?

Bret Cahill

And who pays for the electricity?

The same folk who paid for the transcontinental RR, the Eisenhower
interstate highway system, deep water ports, canals, the development
of the gas turbine, the moon landing and virtually every other major
transportation related project.

Transcontinental RR was paid for by the railroads. The land they were
given to build it was repaid in the form of discounts until 1944 or
so. It is estimated the Feds got back over 10 times their investment
of the free land.

Canals have tolls which pays for their being constructed and run.

The above had revenue to pay them back after the initial invesment.
The poster here is saying to giver away free electricity so people
don't have to pay for gas and somehow thinks the utility should pay
for that.

The moon landing is hardly a transportation project, the gas turbine
is not a transprotation project--are you really this dumb or do you
just act that way here.

Are you _really_ this stoopid in real life or do you just like to act
that way here?

Bret Cahill

 

[Bret Cahill]

1. To sweeten things up private commuter EVs and hybrids won't be
metered for the electricity for the first 20 years -- whole new
meaning to the word "freeway." Only large trucks will pay in the
beginning.

2. Automakers only get federal money to build hybrids and EVs.

Bio fuel ain't gonna happen so why wait?

Bret Cahill

And who pays for the electricity?

The same folk who paid for the transcontinental RR, the Eisenhower
interstate highway system, deep water ports, canals, the development
of the gas turbine, the moon landing and virtually every other major
transportation related project.

Transcontinental RR was paid for by the railroads. ďż˝

You're so ignorant you don't even have the right right wing nut
talking points.

The proper rightard boiler plate is that Hill's northern railroad was,
in contrast to the scandal ridden TCRR, privately funded.

The land they were
given to build it

They got more than land. The money they got to build it was 4X the
entire federal budget.

.. . .

Canals have tolls which pays for their being constructed and run.

Tolls on the intercoastal waterway?

Are you _really_ this stoopid or are you just acting this way here?

As with any disreputable liberdope, you dodged the issue of the 50
billion funding of the interstate highway system.


Bret Cahill


"Despotism, by its very nature suspicious, sees the isolation of men
as the best guarantee of its own permanence. So it usually does all
it can to isolate them. Of all the vices of the human heart egoism is
that which suits it best. A despot will lightly forgive his subjects
for not loving him, provided they do not love one another. He does
not ask them to help him guide the state; it is enough if they do not
claim to manage it themselves He calls those who try to unite their
efforts to create a general prosperity "turbulent and restless
spirits" and twisting the natural meaning of words, he calls those
"good citizens" who care for none but themselves."

-- Tocqueville "How the Americans Combat the Effects of Individualism
by Free Institutions" Vol. II Book 1 _Democracy in America_ (1833)

 

[Bret Cahill]

All we need is a good, low cost battery and some car manufacturers that want
to make these vehicles.

All we need is:

Batteries an order of magnitude better than those that exist.

Does "better" have units?

Are you this moronic in real life or are you just acting dumb here?

.. . .

A cure for the common cold.

Last month Scripps-UCSD researchers announced a vaccine that works
against most strains of flu including bird flu.

Since Malthusians can no longer hope for a big pandemic to alleviate
the resource shortage energy researchers need to come up with some
breakthroughs of their own.


Bret Cahill

 

[Bret Cahill]

1. To sweeten things up private commuter EVs and hybrids won't be
metered for the electricity for the first 20 years -- whole new
meaning to the word "freeway." Only large trucks will pay in the
beginning.

2. Automakers only get federal money to build hybrids and EVs.

Bio fuel ain't gonna happen so why wait?

Bret Cahill

And who pays for the electricity?

The power utility will give to you free along with the extra outlet
that bypasses the meter, into which you will promise never to plug
in your air conditioner...

So, who is going to pay for the electricity? �Electricity doesn't just
hapen for free, it must be generated.

----

Not sure where Bret gets the idea that the electricity would be free.
But there are two reasons why electric vehicles are cheaper to run than ICEs
:

(1) Electric power can be generated at higher efficiency than ICEs in
traditional cars.
Electric power plants run at 40% or more, ICEs run at 20% or less.
(2) Electric power can be generated from many different sources (coal,
nuclear, nat.gas., hydro, renewables etc), while ICEs need liquid fuel
(derived from oil). The cost of these other sources is considerably less
(per BTU) than oil. That is one reason why electricity is NOT generated from
liquid fuels. It would simply be too expensive.

These two reasons result in a 2-4X reduction in cost for electric powered
vehicles versus gasoline (or other liquid fuel) vehicles.
That means you 'pump' electric grid power for less than $1/gallon
equivalent.

That's it in gross terms why electric drive is cheaper than gasoline
vehicles.
All we need is a good, low cost battery and some car manufacturers that want
to make these vehicles.

The battery has always been the thing and IMHO always will. �Power
just seems to not want to be stored. ďż˝

Energy "loves" to be stored in stretch carbon nanotubes which have the
same energy density as diesel fuel.

You might argue that carbon nanotubes are expensive but don't try to
claim that high density energy storage is only possible with the
irreversible carbon based liquid fuel O2 reaction.

.. . .

GM has the best
idea so far with the Volt. �Plug-in when you can, charge it locomotive-
style when you must.

Even there the battery life cost is still 2X the cost of the
electricity itself. Even with a "super battery" there will always be
substantial savings by motoring directly off the grid.

Few engineers seem to quite understand the enormous public relations
effort that will be necessary to move to alternative energy. That's
why the term "black blood" describes the oil situation so well.

The "free" or, if you prefer, the publicly funded electricity for
private motor vehicles for the first 20 years is one way to get them
to think.

Some looneytarian will be outraged. "You mean to tell me that I'm
going to pay taxes for someone else to drive around?!?!???? That's
THEFT!!! The IRS is taking my money BY FORCE at the POINT OF A
GUN!!!!"

Then I answer, "it's cheaper for most individualists to pay taxes for
collective power than than trying to pay for oil. Moreover, the
individualist 'right to travel' and freedom of communication are both
always 100% dependent on at least some public funding."


Bret Cahill


"Despotism, by its very nature suspicious, sees the isolation of men
as the best guarantee of its own permanence. So it usually does all
it can to isolate them. Of all the vices of the human heart egoism is
that which suits it best. A despot will lightly forgive his subjects
for not loving him, provided they do not love one another. He does
not ask them to help him guide the state; it is enough if they do not
claim to manage it themselves He calls those who try to unite their
efforts to create a general prosperity "turbulent and restless
spirits" and twisting the natural meaning of words, he calls those
"good citizens" who care for none but themselves."

-- Tocqueville "How the Americans Combat the Effects of Individualism
by Free Institutions" Vol. II Book 1 _Democracy in America_ (1833)

 

[AZDuffman]

On Apr 10, 11:25 am, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:

As with any disreputable liberdope, you dodged the issue of the 50
billion funding of the interstate highway system.

Not even a comaprrison. The poster wants to give away free
electricity to let people drive cars, while the interstates are free,
the gasoline to fuel your car is not.

What does right/left have to do with your rude replies?