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Yes, of course. How silly of me.Anything that contradicts Mr Speed's opinion is by definition a lie.
Didn't you know that?
Another unsubstantiated statement.annily wrote
Rod Speed wrote
annily wrote
Rod Speed wrote
annily wrote
Rod Speed wrote
annily wrote
B J Foster wrote
annily wrote
B J Foster wrote
annily wrote
B J Foster wrote
kreed wrote
B J Foster<bjfos...@yahoo.co.invalid> wrote
Don McKenzie wrote
Option #5, Phoneline. Who still has phonelines? Isn't this last-century technology.
Pretty much everyone still has phone lines. I can't think of anyone I know who doesn't have a home phone
on copper lines.
I read somewhere in the context of Telstra's financial
results, that a large percentage of Australians (early
adopters) had *no* *fixed* *line* phone service - they had
gone completely mobile.
And probably an even larger percentage does have a fixed line.
Early adopters set the trend. Early adopters are going fully wireless.
There will still be plenty of people who don't want wireless, regardless of trends.
ROTFL. They already have fixed line. Copper.
ROTFL. Much of the copper is crap,
Thats a lie, hardly any of the copper is crap.
Not a lie, an opinion.
Its a lie because you dont have a shred of evidence to substantiate that opinion.
It's not a lie because I believe it to be true,
That doesnt stop it being a lie, particularly when the lie is spewed
by someone else and you are stupid enough to buy that lie.
Your lack of understanding of the meaning of "lie" is beyond belief.
We'll see...
I wasn't even aware of the claim being spewed by someone else,
Another lie.
Another unsubstantiated statement.so I couldn't have bought it.
Another lie.
And of course you snipped my comment where I changed my opinion fromand you haven't provided any evidence to the contrary.
Another lie. The evidence to the contrary is the huge numbers who have a viable adsl service.
And what about those who haven't?
Doesnt qualify as MUCH OF THE COPPER, liar.
And I changed it later, idiot.I didn't say anything about huge numbers.
You clearly did say MUCH OF THE COPPER, liar.
And again, you're ignoring my update.OK, some of the copper connections are crap, and copper won't last forever.
Nothing lasts forever. The copper will last well enough.
and it won't support high enough speeds for many people.
And that is a bare faced lie. Most dont even pay for the highest speed available on the copper.
Again not a lie.
Corse its a lie.
Of course it's not.
Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there, child.
Where's the rationality in your arguments?
The evidence that huge numbers have a viable adsl service proves that much of the copper is not crap, liar.
No point in trying to argue further with an idiot like you who quotesMany people DO want more than 24 Mbps.
You dont have a shred of evidence to substantiate that claim either.
And you haven't supplied any to the contrary.
Dont need to.
YOU ran that stupid claim.
YOU get to substantiate that stupid claim.
THATS how it works.
Nope.
Yep.
You called me a liar. You get to substantiate that claim.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.
That's how it should work.
Only in your pathetic little pathological liar fantasyland.
Certainly some do, most obviously those who are stupid enough to want to download DVDs and blue rays in seconds,
but what matters is whether it makes any sense what so ever to be spending $50B to get that capability.
Yes, but that's not what I was arguing.
You werent 'arguing' a damned thing, just lying.
There you go again. Calling me a liar without backing it up,
The crap you spewed is the evidence that you are a liar.
and apparently not recognizing what an argument is.
You're so stupid you cant even work out the difference between an argument and a claim.
No point in trying to argue further with an idiot like you who doesn'tThat's all I said. Your statement ("most...) doesn't contradict mine.
Another lie.
Again, No point in trying to argue further with an idiot like you whoApparently you don't understand English and/or logic.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.
Our two statements:
"it won't support high enough speeds for many people"
and
"Most dont even pay for the highest speed available on the copper"
are not contradictory.
Another lie.
You or a stone. Not much difference.Your lack of understanding is amazing.
Your pathetic exuse for bullshit and lies is nothing like that, just pathetic.
Please explain how those statements are contradictory.
It would be more profitable to try to explain it to a stone, liar.
Another idiotic statement."Many" doesn't mean "most", you know.
No one ever said it did, liar.
Both can be true.
Another lie.
You don't get to speak for everyone. That's how it works.Please provide some evidence for that claim.
Everyone can see for themselves that its another lie.
Yes. That's my opinion.annily wrote:
On 22-08-10 03:43, Rod Speed wrote:
annily wrote
...
And that is a bare faced lie. Most dont even pay for the highest
speed available on the copper.
Again not a lie. Many people DO want more than 24 Mbps. That's all I
said. Your statement ("most...) doesn't contradict mine.
Many eh?
Another lie.Rod Speed wrote
annily wrote
Rod Speed wrote
annily wrote
Rod Speed wrote
annily wrote
Rod Speed wrote
annily wrote
B J Foster wrote
annily wrote
B J Foster wrote
annily wrote
B J Foster wrote
kreed wrote
B J Foster<bjfos...@yahoo.co.invalid> wrote
Don McKenzie wrote
Option #5, Phoneline. Who still has phonelines? Isn't this last-century technology.
Pretty much everyone still has phone lines. I can't think of anyone I know who doesn't have a home phone
on copper lines.
I read somewhere in the context of Telstra's financial
results, that a large percentage of Australians (early
adopters) had *no* *fixed* *line* phone service - they
had gone completely mobile.
And probably an even larger percentage does have a fixed line.
Early adopters set the trend. Early adopters are going fully wireless.
There will still be plenty of people who don't want wireless, regardless of trends.
ROTFL. They already have fixed line. Copper.
ROTFL. Much of the copper is crap,
Thats a lie, hardly any of the copper is crap.
Not a lie, an opinion.
Its a lie because you dont have a shred of evidence to substantiate that opinion.
It's not a lie because I believe it to be true,
That doesnt stop it being a lie, particularly when the lie is spewed by someone else and you are stupid enough to
buy that lie.
Your lack of understanding of the meaning of "lie" is beyond belief.
We'll see...
I wasn't even aware of the claim being spewed by someone else,
Another lie.
Another unsubstantiated statement.
Another lie.so I couldn't have bought it.
Another lie.
Another unsubstantiated statement.
I didnt snip a damned thing, you silly little pathological liar.and you haven't provided any evidence to the contrary.
Another lie. The evidence to the contrary is the huge numbers who have a viable adsl service.
And what about those who haven't?
Doesnt qualify as MUCH OF THE COPPER, liar.
And of course you snipped my comment
You never ever said anything like that, you silly little pathological liar.where I changed my opinion from "much of the copper" to "some of the copper", moron.
Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying on that as well, you silly little pathological liar.I didn't say anything about huge numbers.
You clearly did say MUCH OF THE COPPER, liar.
And I changed it later, idiot.
Everyone can see for themselves that there was no update, you silly little pathological liar.OK, some of the copper connections are crap, and copper won't last forever.
Nothing lasts forever. The copper will last well enough.
and it won't support high enough speeds for many people.
And that is a bare faced lie. Most dont even pay for the highest speed available on the copper.
Again not a lie.
Corse its a lie.
Of course it's not.
Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there, child.
Where's the rationality in your arguments?
The evidence that huge numbers have a viable adsl service proves that much of the copper is not crap, liar.
And again, you're ignoring my update.
EVERYTHING you have said has been quoted in its entirety, you silly little pathological liar.Many people DO want more than 24 Mbps.
You dont have a shred of evidence to substantiate that claim either.
And you haven't supplied any to the contrary.
Dont need to.
YOU ran that stupid claim.
YOU get to substantiate that stupid claim.
THATS how it works.
Nope.
Yep.
You called me a liar. You get to substantiate that claim.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.
That's how it should work.
Only in your pathetic little pathological liar fantasyland.
Certainly some do, most obviously those who are stupid enough to
want to download DVDs and blue rays in seconds, but what
matters is whether it makes any sense what so ever to be
spending $50B to get that capability.
Yes, but that's not what I was arguing.
You werent 'arguing' a damned thing, just lying.
There you go again. Calling me a liar without backing it up,
The crap you spewed is the evidence that you are a liar.
and apparently not recognizing what an argument is.
You're so stupid you cant even work out the difference between an argument and a claim.
No point in trying to argue further with an idiot like you who quotes selectively.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.That's all I said. Your statement ("most...) doesn't contradict mine.
Another lie.
No point in trying to argue further with an idiot like you who doesn't understand logic.
Again, you never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.Apparently you don't understand English and/or logic.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.
Our two statements:
"it won't support high enough speeds for many people"
and
"Most dont even pay for the highest speed available on the copper"
are not contradictory.
Another lie.
Again, No point in trying to argue further with an idiot like you who doesn't understand logic.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.Your lack of understanding is amazing.
Your pathetic exuse for bullshit and lies is nothing like that, just pathetic.
Please explain how those statements are contradictory.
It would be more profitable to try to explain it to a stone, liar.
You or a stone. Not much difference.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag."Many" doesn't mean "most", you know.
No one ever said it did, liar.
Both can be true.
Another lie.
Another idiotic statement.
Never ever said anything even remotely resembling anything like that, you silly little pathological liar.Please provide some evidence for that claim.
Everyone can see for themselves that its another lie.
You don't get to speak for everyone.
Cant even manage its own lines, or anything else at all except lying, either.That's how it works.
Pity you dont have a shred of evidence to actually substantiate that opinion.B J Foster wrote
annily wrote:
Rod Speed wrote
annily wrote
And that is a bare faced lie. Most dont even pay for the highest speed available on the copper.
Again not a lie. Many people DO want more than 24 Mbps. That's all I said. Your statement ("most...) doesn't
contradict mine.
Many eh?
Yes. That's my opinion.
Well then, my comments must have accidentally disappeared from yourannily wrote
Rod Speed wrote
annily wrote
Rod Speed wrote
annily wrote
Rod Speed wrote
annily wrote
Rod Speed wrote
annily wrote
B J Foster wrote
annily wrote
B J Foster wrote
annily wrote
B J Foster wrote
kreed wrote
B J Foster<bjfos...@yahoo.co.invalid> wrote
Don McKenzie wrote
Option #5, Phoneline. Who still has phonelines? Isn't this last-century technology.
Pretty much everyone still has phone lines. I can't think of anyone I know who doesn't have a home phone
on copper lines.
I read somewhere in the context of Telstra's financial
results, that a large percentage of Australians (early
adopters) had *no* *fixed* *line* phone service - they
had gone completely mobile.
And probably an even larger percentage does have a fixed line.
Early adopters set the trend. Early adopters are going fully wireless.
There will still be plenty of people who don't want wireless, regardless of trends.
ROTFL. They already have fixed line. Copper.
ROTFL. Much of the copper is crap,
Thats a lie, hardly any of the copper is crap.
Not a lie, an opinion.
Its a lie because you dont have a shred of evidence to substantiate that opinion.
It's not a lie because I believe it to be true,
That doesnt stop it being a lie, particularly when the lie is spewed by someone else and you are stupid enough to
buy that lie.
Your lack of understanding of the meaning of "lie" is beyond belief.
We'll see...
I wasn't even aware of the claim being spewed by someone else,
Another lie.
Another unsubstantiated statement.
Another lie.
so I couldn't have bought it.
Another lie.
Another unsubstantiated statement.
Another lie.
and you haven't provided any evidence to the contrary.
Another lie. The evidence to the contrary is the huge numbers who have a viable adsl service.
And what about those who haven't?
Doesnt qualify as MUCH OF THE COPPER, liar.
And of course you snipped my comment
I didnt snip a damned thing, you silly little pathological liar.
No, anyone can see that you are lying, by checking a Usenet archive, ifwhere I changed my opinion from "much of the copper" to "some of the copper", moron.
You never ever said anything like that, you silly little pathological liar.
I didn't say anything about huge numbers.
You clearly did say MUCH OF THE COPPER, liar.
And I changed it later, idiot.
Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying on that as well, you silly little pathological liar.
Another lie.OK, some of the copper connections are crap, and copper won't last forever.
Nothing lasts forever. The copper will last well enough.
and it won't support high enough speeds for many people.
And that is a bare faced lie. Most dont even pay for the highest speed available on the copper.
Again not a lie.
Corse its a lie.
Of course it's not.
Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there, child.
Where's the rationality in your arguments?
The evidence that huge numbers have a viable adsl service proves that much of the copper is not crap, liar.
And again, you're ignoring my update.
Everyone can see for themselves that there was no update, you silly little pathological liar.
Yes, even you quoted it in your earlier posts, then it miraculouslyAnd those who cant get a viable adsl service are almost entirely NOT due to CRAPPY
COPPER, they are just too far from the exchange, you silly little pathological liar.
Many people DO want more than 24 Mbps.
You dont have a shred of evidence to substantiate that claim either.
And you haven't supplied any to the contrary.
Dont need to.
YOU ran that stupid claim.
YOU get to substantiate that stupid claim.
THATS how it works.
Nope.
Yep.
You called me a liar. You get to substantiate that claim.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.
That's how it should work.
Only in your pathetic little pathological liar fantasyland.
Certainly some do, most obviously those who are stupid enough to
want to download DVDs and blue rays in seconds, but what
matters is whether it makes any sense what so ever to be
spending $50B to get that capability.
Yes, but that's not what I was arguing.
You werent 'arguing' a damned thing, just lying.
There you go again. Calling me a liar without backing it up,
The crap you spewed is the evidence that you are a liar.
and apparently not recognizing what an argument is.
You're so stupid you cant even work out the difference between an argument and a claim.
No point in trying to argue further with an idiot like you who quotes selectively.
EVERYTHING you have said has been quoted in its entirety, you silly little pathological liar.
You certainly can't.That's all I said. Your statement ("most...) doesn't contradict mine.
Another lie.
No point in trying to argue further with an idiot like you who doesn't understand logic.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.
Apparently you don't understand English and/or logic.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.
Our two statements:
"it won't support high enough speeds for many people"
and
"Most dont even pay for the highest speed available on the copper"
are not contradictory.
Another lie.
Again, No point in trying to argue further with an idiot like you who doesn't understand logic.
Again, you never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.
Your lack of understanding is amazing.
Your pathetic exuse for bullshit and lies is nothing like that, just pathetic.
Please explain how those statements are contradictory.
It would be more profitable to try to explain it to a stone, liar.
You or a stone. Not much difference.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.
LOL. So what does you previous statement mean?"Many" doesn't mean "most", you know.
No one ever said it did, liar.
Both can be true.
Another lie.
Another idiotic statement.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.
Please provide some evidence for that claim.
Everyone can see for themselves that its another lie.
You don't get to speak for everyone.
Never ever said anything even remotely resembling anything like that, you silly little pathological liar.
Everyone can see for themselves that none of your comments haveRod Speed wrote
annily wrote
Rod Speed wrote
annily wrote
Rod Speed wrote
annily wrote
Rod Speed wrote
annily wrote
Rod Speed wrote
annily wrote
B J Foster wrote
annily wrote
B J Foster wrote
annily wrote
B J Foster wrote
kreed wrote
B J Foster<bjfos...@yahoo.co.invalid> wrote
Don McKenzie wrote
Option #5, Phoneline. Who still has phonelines?
Isn't this last-century technology.
Pretty much everyone still has phone lines. I can't
think of anyone I know who doesn't have a home phone
on copper lines.
I read somewhere in the context of Telstra's financial
results, that a large percentage of Australians (early
adopters) had *no* *fixed* *line* phone service - they
had gone completely mobile.
And probably an even larger percentage does have a fixed line.
Early adopters set the trend. Early adopters are going fully wireless.
There will still be plenty of people who don't want wireless, regardless of trends.
ROTFL. They already have fixed line. Copper.
ROTFL. Much of the copper is crap,
Thats a lie, hardly any of the copper is crap.
Not a lie, an opinion.
Its a lie because you dont have a shred of evidence to substantiate that opinion.
It's not a lie because I believe it to be true,
That doesnt stop it being a lie, particularly when the lie is
spewed by someone else and you are stupid enough to buy that lie.
Your lack of understanding of the meaning of "lie" is beyond belief.
We'll see...
I wasn't even aware of the claim being spewed by someone else,
Another lie.
Another unsubstantiated statement.
Another lie.
so I couldn't have bought it.
Another lie.
Another unsubstantiated statement.
Another lie.
and you haven't provided any evidence to the contrary.
Another lie. The evidence to the contrary is the huge numbers who have a viable adsl service.
And what about those who haven't?
Doesnt qualify as MUCH OF THE COPPER, liar.
And of course you snipped my comment
I didnt snip a damned thing, you silly little pathological liar.
Well then, my comments must have accidentally disappeared from your quoted material,
Everyone can see for themselves that there was no updated comment of yours, you silly little pathological liar.despite the fact that you previously replied twice to my posts, leaving my updated comment in.
Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, as always, you silly little pathological liar.where I changed my opinion from "much of the copper" to "some of the copper", moron.
You never ever said anything like that, you silly little pathological liar.
I didn't say anything about huge numbers.
You clearly did say MUCH OF THE COPPER, liar.
And I changed it later, idiot.
Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying on that as well, you silly little pathological liar.
No, anyone can see that you are lying, by checking a Usenet archive,
if they don't still have our earlier posts on their hard disks, as I have.
Cant even manage its own lines, or anything else at all, either.OK, some of the copper connections are crap, and copper won't last forever.
Nothing lasts forever. The copper will last well enough.
and it won't support high enough speeds for many people.
And that is a bare faced lie. Most dont even pay for the highest speed available on the copper.
Again not a lie.
Corse its a lie.
Of course it's not.
Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there, child.
Where's the rationality in your arguments?
The evidence that huge numbers have a viable adsl service proves
that much of the copper is not crap, liar.
And again, you're ignoring my update.
Everyone can see for themselves that there was no update, you silly little pathological liar.
Another lie.
Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, as always.And those who cant get a viable adsl service are almost entirely NOT due to CRAPPY COPPER, they are just too far from
the exchange, you silly little pathological liar.
Many people DO want more than 24 Mbps.
You dont have a shred of evidence to substantiate that claim either.
And you haven't supplied any to the contrary.
Dont need to.
YOU ran that stupid claim.
YOU get to substantiate that stupid claim.
THATS how it works.
Nope.
Yep.
You called me a liar. You get to substantiate that claim.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.
That's how it should work.
Only in your pathetic little pathological liar fantasyland.
Certainly some do, most obviously those who are stupid enough
to want to download DVDs and blue rays in seconds, but what
matters is whether it makes any sense what so ever to be
spending $50B to get that capability.
Yes, but that's not what I was arguing.
You werent 'arguing' a damned thing, just lying.
There you go again. Calling me a liar without backing it up,
The crap you spewed is the evidence that you are a liar.
and apparently not recognizing what an argument is.
You're so stupid you cant even work out the difference between an argument and a claim.
No point in trying to argue further with an idiot like you who quotes selectively.
EVERYTHING you have said has been quoted in its entirety, you silly little pathological liar.
Yes, even you quoted it in your earlier posts, then it miraculously disappeared from your later posts.
Any 2 year old could leave that for dead, you silly little pathological liar.That's all I said. Your statement ("most...) doesn't contradict mine.
Another lie.
No point in trying to argue further with an idiot like you who doesn't understand logic.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.
Apparently you don't understand English and/or logic.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.
Our two statements:
"it won't support high enough speeds for many people"
and
"Most dont even pay for the highest speed available on the copper"
are not contradictory.
Another lie.
Again, No point in trying to argue further with an idiot like you who doesn't understand logic.
Again, you never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.
Your lack of understanding is amazing.
Your pathetic exuse for bullshit and lies is nothing like that, just pathetic.
Please explain how those statements are contradictory.
It would be more profitable to try to explain it to a stone, liar.
You or a stone. Not much difference.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.
You certainly can't.
Village eejut immitations cut no mustard around here, you silly little pathological liar."Many" doesn't mean "most", you know.
No one ever said it did, liar.
Both can be true.
Another lie.
Another idiotic statement.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.
Please provide some evidence for that claim.
Everyone can see for themselves that its another lie.
You don't get to speak for everyone.
Never ever said anything even remotely resembling anything like that, you silly little pathological liar.
LOL.
Its a statement of fact, you silly little pathological liar.So what does you previous statement mean?
Oh can they? This link provides the evidence to back up my claim:annily wrote
Rod Speed wrote
annily wrote
Rod Speed wrote
annily wrote
Rod Speed wrote
annily wrote
Rod Speed wrote
annily wrote
Rod Speed wrote
annily wrote
B J Foster wrote
annily wrote
B J Foster wrote
annily wrote
B J Foster wrote
kreed wrote
B J Foster<bjfos...@yahoo.co.invalid> wrote
Don McKenzie wrote
Option #5, Phoneline. Who still has phonelines?
Isn't this last-century technology.
Pretty much everyone still has phone lines. I can't
think of anyone I know who doesn't have a home phone
on copper lines.
I read somewhere in the context of Telstra's financial
results, that a large percentage of Australians (early
adopters) had *no* *fixed* *line* phone service - they
had gone completely mobile.
And probably an even larger percentage does have a fixed line.
Early adopters set the trend. Early adopters are going fully wireless.
There will still be plenty of people who don't want wireless, regardless of trends.
ROTFL. They already have fixed line. Copper.
ROTFL. Much of the copper is crap,
Thats a lie, hardly any of the copper is crap.
Not a lie, an opinion.
Its a lie because you dont have a shred of evidence to substantiate that opinion.
It's not a lie because I believe it to be true,
That doesnt stop it being a lie, particularly when the lie is
spewed by someone else and you are stupid enough to buy that lie.
Your lack of understanding of the meaning of "lie" is beyond belief.
We'll see...
I wasn't even aware of the claim being spewed by someone else,
Another lie.
Another unsubstantiated statement.
Another lie.
so I couldn't have bought it.
Another lie.
Another unsubstantiated statement.
Another lie.
and you haven't provided any evidence to the contrary.
Another lie. The evidence to the contrary is the huge numbers who have a viable adsl service.
And what about those who haven't?
Doesnt qualify as MUCH OF THE COPPER, liar.
And of course you snipped my comment
I didnt snip a damned thing, you silly little pathological liar.
Well then, my comments must have accidentally disappeared from your quoted material,
Everyone can see for themselves that none of your comments have
disappeared from the quoted material, you silly little pathological liar.
The above link proves that there was.despite the fact that you previously replied twice to my posts, leaving my updated comment in.
Everyone can see for themselves that there was no updated comment of yours, you silly little pathological liar.
The above link proves that I did.where I changed my opinion from "much of the copper" to "some of the copper", moron.
You never ever said anything like that, you silly little pathological liar.
Wrong again. See the above linkI didn't say anything about huge numbers.
You clearly did say MUCH OF THE COPPER, liar.
And I changed it later, idiot.
Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying on that as well, you silly little pathological liar.
And again. See the above link.No, anyone can see that you are lying, by checking a Usenet archive,
if they don't still have our earlier posts on their hard disks, as I have.
Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, as always, you silly little pathological liar.
See the above link.OK, some of the copper connections are crap, and copper won't last forever.
Nothing lasts forever. The copper will last well enough.
and it won't support high enough speeds for many people.
And that is a bare faced lie. Most dont even pay for the highest speed available on the copper.
Again not a lie.
Corse its a lie.
Of course it's not.
Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there, child.
Where's the rationality in your arguments?
The evidence that huge numbers have a viable adsl service proves
that much of the copper is not crap, liar.
And again, you're ignoring my update.
Everyone can see for themselves that there was no update, you silly little pathological liar.
Another lie.
Cant even manage its own lines, or anything else at all, either.
And those who cant get a viable adsl service are almost entirely NOT due to CRAPPY COPPER, they are just too far from
the exchange, you silly little pathological liar.
Many people DO want more than 24 Mbps.
You dont have a shred of evidence to substantiate that claim either.
And you haven't supplied any to the contrary.
Dont need to.
YOU ran that stupid claim.
YOU get to substantiate that stupid claim.
THATS how it works.
Nope.
Yep.
You called me a liar. You get to substantiate that claim.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.
That's how it should work.
Only in your pathetic little pathological liar fantasyland.
Certainly some do, most obviously those who are stupid enough
to want to download DVDs and blue rays in seconds, but what
matters is whether it makes any sense what so ever to be
spending $50B to get that capability.
Yes, but that's not what I was arguing.
You werent 'arguing' a damned thing, just lying.
There you go again. Calling me a liar without backing it up,
The crap you spewed is the evidence that you are a liar.
and apparently not recognizing what an argument is.
You're so stupid you cant even work out the difference between an argument and a claim.
No point in trying to argue further with an idiot like you who quotes selectively.
EVERYTHING you have said has been quoted in its entirety, you silly little pathological liar.
Yes, even you quoted it in your earlier posts, then it miraculously disappeared from your later posts.
Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, as always.
That's all I said. Your statement ("most...) doesn't contradict mine.
Another lie.
No point in trying to argue further with an idiot like you who doesn't understand logic.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.
Apparently you don't understand English and/or logic.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.
Our two statements:
"it won't support high enough speeds for many people"
and
"Most dont even pay for the highest speed available on the copper"
are not contradictory.
Another lie.
Again, No point in trying to argue further with an idiot like you who doesn't understand logic.
Again, you never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.
Your lack of understanding is amazing.
Your pathetic exuse for bullshit and lies is nothing like that, just pathetic.
Please explain how those statements are contradictory.
It would be more profitable to try to explain it to a stone, liar.
You or a stone. Not much difference.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.
You certainly can't.
Any 2 year old could leave that for dead, you silly little pathological liar.
"Many" doesn't mean "most", you know.
No one ever said it did, liar.
Both can be true.
Another lie.
Another idiotic statement.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.
Please provide some evidence for that claim.
Everyone can see for themselves that its another lie.
You don't get to speak for everyone.
Never ever said anything even remotely resembling anything like that, you silly little pathological liar.
LOL.
Village eejut immitations cut no mustard around here, you silly little pathological liar.
So what does you previous statement mean?
Its a statement of fact, you silly little pathological liar.
Prove it. Have you asked everyone, to substantiate that claim?
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And that is a bare faced lie. Most dont even pay for the highest speed available on the copper.
Again not a lie. Many people DO want more than 24 Mbps. That's all I said. Your statement ("most...) doesn't
contradict mine.
Many eh?
Yes. That's my opinion.
Pity you dont have a shred of evidence to actually substantiate that opinion.
Higher speeds than that have been available on the cable system for quite
a while now and fuck all have actually been stupid enough to sign up for that.
That proves that sweet fuck all want those higher speeds, you silly little pathological liar.
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Don McKenzie wrote
Option #5, Phoneline. Who still has phonelines? Isn't this last-century technology.
Pretty much everyone still has phone lines. I can't think of
anyone I know who doesn't have a home phone on copper lines.
I read somewhere in the context of Telstra's financial results,
that a large percentage of Australians (early adopters) had
*no* *fixed* *line* phone service - they had gone completely
mobile.
And probably an even larger percentage does have a fixed line.
Early adopters set the trend. Early adopters are going fully wireless.
There will still be plenty of people who don't want wireless, regardless of trends.
ROTFL. They already have fixed line. Copper.
ROTFL. Much of the copper is crap, and it won't support high enough speeds for many people.
Nothing wrong with copper lines.
They do limit the maximum speed with street distances.
No matter what grand plan they propose, its going to involve copper line at some point.
Wrong, not down the streets they dont with fibre.
Even Coax or Cat5/6 uses copper conductors.
And fibre doesnt.
ADSL 2 can go more than fast enough for the majority of people
Depends on whether you want to get DVDs and blue rays in seconds or not.
Depends on whether people actually need that compared to the huge cost
True, but the cost would be massive for existing customers if theyIf they want more speed than that they can pay for a second or
3rd line & ADSL connection to double/triple their speed as needed.
Not practical compared with fibre.
The savings by using something that is already there would be enormous.
Yes, but the speed is much lower than with fibre.
Satellite ? Or if there isn't an existing connection - use fibre.For areas that are too far from an exchange to
get ADSL, why not run a fibre link (or similar)
from exchange to the cable pits in question to provide
a local ADSL hub that is close enough to the subscribers
Thats what RIMs and CMUXes do.
or maybe use repeaters if there are not enough
lines in an area (rural) in question to justify fibre.
Its very arguable that that is viable.
Remote areas can use satellite or wireless
Even suburban areas use wireless right now.
- wireless shouldn't be a problem in remote areas as there isn't
much radio traffic to congest the band compared to the city.
The problem is that that approach doesnt work for the longer distances.
At the end of the day, we don't have a choice. We will simply be stuckWould cost a hell of a lot less than some of the silliness being talked about.
Yes, the NBN is certainly by far the most expensive approach.
You can get pretty decent GB/$ value if you want it, you just cant get the higher speeds as well.Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
annily wrote
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annily wrote
And that is a bare faced lie. Most dont even pay for the highest speed available on the copper.
Again not a lie. Many people DO want more than 24 Mbps.
That's all I said. Your statement ("most...) doesn't contradict mine.
Many eh?
Yes. That's my opinion.
Pity you dont have a shred of evidence to actually substantiate that opinion.
Higher speeds than that have been available on the cable system for quite a
while now and fuck all have actually been stupid enough to sign up for that.
That proves that sweet fuck all want those higher speeds, you silly little pathological liar.
Agree.
The download (and some times even uploads are included in the quota)
limits and the steep rise in prices per GB to get more reasonable limts
make a lot of the higher speed plans a joke in GB / $ value.
That analogy falls down badly with the ADSL2+ which has very decent download limits like with say TPG etc.You end up with an analogy like this
You can have the choice of the use of a used Commodore that
you can drive as much and as fast (within legal limits) as you like
You can have the choice of the use of a Ferrari with a limit of
100km distance a month after which its 40km/ hr speed limited.
The higher volume TPG plans are a lot better than that.Unless you only drive to the shops once a week, (and maybe
to church on Sunday) and never aspire to going any further
afield than you are going to go with the Commodore deal.
Its a pretty distorted view. The TPG ADSL2+ plans are nothing likeThis is my view on the broadband situation in this country.
Depends on how its paid for. If part of what was obtained by floggingFinally, dumping the huge $ amounts quoted into this NBN plan can only
make this situation worse, and drive costs higher and value for money lower.
No you cant, particularly if the NBN was paid for using part of what was obtained by flogging off Telstra.If Telstra is involved except as one of many competitive
players on an even field - you can guarantee it.
Corse they dont, they can always drive to the rental operation.Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
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annily wrote
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B J Foster <bjfos...@yahoo.co.invalid> wrote
Don McKenzie wrote
Option #5, Phoneline. Who still has phonelines? Isn't this last-century technology.
Pretty much everyone still has phone lines. I can't think of
anyone I know who doesn't have a home phone on copper lines.
I read somewhere in the context of Telstra's financial
results, that a large percentage of Australians (early
adopters) had *no* *fixed* *line* phone service - they had
gone completely mobile.
And probably an even larger percentage does have a fixed line.
Early adopters set the trend. Early adopters are going fully wireless.
There will still be plenty of people who don't want wireless, regardless of trends.
ROTFL. They already have fixed line. Copper.
ROTFL. Much of the copper is crap, and it won't support high enough speeds for many people.
Nothing wrong with copper lines.
They do limit the maximum speed with street distances.
No matter what grand plan they propose, its going to involve copper line at some point.
Wrong, not down the streets they dont with fibre.
Even Coax or Cat5/6 uses copper conductors.
And fibre doesnt.
ADSL 2 can go more than fast enough for the majority of people
Depends on whether you want to get DVDs and bluerays in seconds or not.
Depends on whether people actually need that
That wouldnt be the case if part of what was obtained by flogging off Telstra was used to build it.compared to the huge cost involved to the nation that
will probably take forever to pay back with interest.
(and ultimately paid by everyone via higher taxes / massive access
fees / reduced gov. services in other areas or a bit of both.).
Correct.No need to download DVD video any faster than you can watch it.
It wont be crap and they already dont.They probably will use crap "streaming" methods anyway.
Correct.You couldn't even save the data size (4.3GB) of a typical
DVD to a hard drive in less than a few minutes regardless.
The short story is that there isnt any need for 1Gb for that.I don't know how long it would even take to buffer it to RAM
on a typical home PC - assuming you had enough spare.
That wouldnt be the case if part of what was obtained by flogging off Telstra was used to build it.If they want more speed than that they can pay for a second or
3rd line & ADSL connection to double/triple their speed as needed.
Not practical compared with fibre.
The savings by using something that is already there would be enormous.
Yes, but the speed is much lower than with fibre.
True, but the cost would be massive for existing customers if they didn't need it.
It isnt really with so much development happening in the existing suburbs withFor new installations and developments - I think
that then it is practical to go with fibre from the start.
It isnt really practical compared with replacing the copper with fibre suburb by suburb etc.Existing copper services can be upgraded as maintenance
and renewal / replacement of unserviceable existing architecture
/ when there is sufficient demand in the area in question.
You dont get anything like the thruput that way.For areas that are too far from an exchange to
get ADSL, why not run a fibre link (or similar)
from exchange to the cable pits in question to provide
a local ADSL hub that is close enough to the subscribers
Thats what RIMs and CMUXes do.
or maybe use repeaters if there are not enough
lines in an area (rural) in question to justify fibre.
Its very arguable that that is viable.
Remote areas can use satellite or wireless
Even suburban areas use wireless right now.
- wireless shouldn't be a problem in remote areas as there isn't
much radio traffic to congest the band compared to the city.
The problem is that that approach doesnt work for the longer distances.
Satellite ?
Its never going to be economic to do long runs of fibre to individual propertys etc.Or if there isn't an existing connection - use fibre.
Corse we have a choice, most obviously with spendingWould cost a hell of a lot less than some of the silliness being talked about.
Yes, the NBN is certainly by far the most expensive approach.
At the end of the day, we don't have a choice.
Its not public servants that get to decide a damned thing, it was some stupidWe will simply be stuck with the bill once more while ignorant/corrupted public
servants make a typically poor decision on our behalf and at our expense.
That hasnt got a damned thing to do with public servants either.Same with the carbon pollution bullshit
Yep.Rod Speed wrote
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B J Foster<bjfos...@yahoo.co.invalid> wrote
Don McKenzie wrote
Option #5, Phoneline. Who still has phonelines?
Isn't this last-century technology.
Pretty much everyone still has phone lines. I can't
think of anyone I know who doesn't have a home phone
on copper lines.
I read somewhere in the context of Telstra's
financial results, that a large percentage of
Australians (early adopters) had *no* *fixed* *line*
phone service - they had gone completely mobile.
And probably an even larger percentage does have a
fixed line.
Early adopters set the trend. Early adopters are going
fully wireless.
There will still be plenty of people who don't want
wireless, regardless of trends.
ROTFL. They already have fixed line. Copper.
ROTFL. Much of the copper is crap,
Thats a lie, hardly any of the copper is crap.
Not a lie, an opinion.
Its a lie because you dont have a shred of evidence to
substantiate that opinion.
It's not a lie because I believe it to be true,
That doesnt stop it being a lie, particularly when the lie is
spewed by someone else and you are stupid enough to buy that
lie.
Your lack of understanding of the meaning of "lie" is beyond
belief.
We'll see...
I wasn't even aware of the claim being spewed by someone else,
Another lie.
Another unsubstantiated statement.
Another lie.
so I couldn't have bought it.
Another lie.
Another unsubstantiated statement.
Another lie.
and you haven't provided any evidence to the contrary.
Another lie. The evidence to the contrary is the huge numbers
who have a viable adsl service.
And what about those who haven't?
Doesnt qualify as MUCH OF THE COPPER, liar.
And of course you snipped my comment
I didnt snip a damned thing, you silly little pathological liar.
Well then, my comments must have accidentally disappeared from your
quoted material,
Everyone can see for themselves that none of your comments have
disappeared from the quoted material, you silly little pathological liar.
Oh can they?
Everyone can see that that proves what I said, you silly little pathological liar.This link provides the evidence to back up my claim:
Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, as always.http://groups.google.com.au/group/aus.computers/browse_thread/thread/3de0e63aa38a4093/3cf3a0fe042ac1cb?hl=en&q=singapore+group%3Aaus.comms&lnk=nl&
despite the fact that you previously replied twice to my posts,
leaving my updated comment in.
Everyone can see for themselves that there was no updated comment of
yours, you silly little pathological liar.
The above link proves that there was.
Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, as always.where I changed my opinion from "much of the copper" to "some of
the copper", moron.
You never ever said anything like that, you silly little
pathological liar.
The above link proves that I did.
Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, as always.I didn't say anything about huge numbers.
You clearly did say MUCH OF THE COPPER, liar.
And I changed it later, idiot.
Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying on that as
well, you silly little pathological liar.
Wrong again. See the above link
Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, as always.No, anyone can see that you are lying, by checking a Usenet archive,
if they don't still have our earlier posts on their hard disks, as
I have.
Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, as always, you
silly little pathological liar.
And again. See the above link.
Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, as always.OK, some of the copper connections are crap, and copper
won't last forever.
Nothing lasts forever. The copper will last well enough.
and it won't support high enough speeds for many people.
And that is a bare faced lie. Most dont even pay for the
highest speed available on the copper.
Again not a lie.
Corse its a lie.
Of course it's not.
Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there, child.
Where's the rationality in your arguments?
The evidence that huge numbers have a viable adsl service proves
that much of the copper is not crap, liar.
And again, you're ignoring my update.
Everyone can see for themselves that there was no update, you
silly little pathological liar.
See the above link.
Just did.Another lie.
Cant even manage its own lines, or anything else at all, either.
And those who cant get a viable adsl service are almost entirely
NOT due to CRAPPY COPPER, they are just too far from the exchange,
you silly little pathological liar.
Many people DO want more than 24 Mbps.
You dont have a shred of evidence to substantiate that claim
either.
And you haven't supplied any to the contrary.
Dont need to.
YOU ran that stupid claim.
YOU get to substantiate that stupid claim.
THATS how it works.
Nope.
Yep.
You called me a liar. You get to substantiate that claim.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet
paper bag.
That's how it should work.
Only in your pathetic little pathological liar fantasyland.
Certainly some do, most obviously those who are stupid enough
to want to download DVDs and blue rays in seconds, but what
matters is whether it makes any sense what so ever to be
spending $50B to get that capability.
Yes, but that's not what I was arguing.
You werent 'arguing' a damned thing, just lying.
There you go again. Calling me a liar without backing it up,
The crap you spewed is the evidence that you are a liar.
and apparently not recognizing what an argument is.
You're so stupid you cant even work out the difference between
an argument and a claim.
No point in trying to argue further with an idiot like you who
quotes selectively.
EVERYTHING you have said has been quoted in its entirety, you
silly little pathological liar.
Yes, even you quoted it in your earlier posts, then it miraculously
disappeared from your later posts.
Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, as always.
That's all I said. Your statement ("most...) doesn't
contradict mine.
Another lie.
No point in trying to argue further with an idiot like you who
doesn't understand logic.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper
bag.
Apparently you don't understand English and/or logic.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet
paper bag.
Our two statements:
"it won't support high enough speeds for many people"
and
"Most dont even pay for the highest speed available on the
copper"
are not contradictory.
Another lie.
Again, No point in trying to argue further with an idiot like you
who doesn't understand logic.
Again, you never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet
paper bag.
Your lack of understanding is amazing.
Your pathetic exuse for bullshit and lies is nothing like that,
just pathetic.
Please explain how those statements are contradictory.
It would be more profitable to try to explain it to a stone,
liar.
You or a stone. Not much difference.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper
bag.
You certainly can't.
Any 2 year old could leave that for dead, you silly little
pathological liar.
"Many" doesn't mean "most", you know.
No one ever said it did, liar.
Both can be true.
Another lie.
Another idiotic statement.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper
bag.
Please provide some evidence for that claim.
Everyone can see for themselves that its another lie.
You don't get to speak for everyone.
Never ever said anything even remotely resembling anything like
that, you silly little pathological liar.
LOL.
Village eejut immitations cut no mustard around here, you silly
little pathological liar.
So what does you previous statement mean?
Its a statement of fact, you silly little pathological liar.
Prove it.
Dont need to, you silly little pathological liar.Have you asked everyone, to substantiate that claim?
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annily wrote
B J Foster wrote
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And that is a bare faced lie. Most dont even pay for the highest speed available on the copper.
Again not a lie. Many people DO want more than 24 Mbps.
That's all I said. Your statement ("most...) doesn't contradict mine.
Many eh?
Yes. That's my opinion.
Pity you dont have a shred of evidence to actually substantiate that opinion.
Higher speeds than that have been available on the cable system for quite a
while now and fuck all have actually been stupid enough to sign up for that.
That proves that sweet fuck all want those higher speeds, you silly little pathological liar.
Agree.
The download (and some times even uploads are included in the quota)
limits and the steep rise in prices per GB to get more reasonable limts
make a lot of the higher speed plans a joke in GB / $ value.
You can get pretty decent GB/$ value if you want it, you just cant get the higher speeds as well.
You end up with an analogy like this
You can have the choice of the use of a used Commodore that
you can drive as much and as fast (within legal limits) as you like
You can have the choice of the use of a Ferrari with a limit of
100km distance a month after which its 40km/ hr speed limited.
That analogy falls down badly with the ADSL2+ which has very decent download limits like with say TPG etc.
You dont even pay all that much per month for that.
You dont however get speeds better than 24Mbs that route.
Thats a lot better than a used Commodore.
Unless you only drive to the shops once a week, (and maybe
to church on Sunday) and never aspire to going any further
afield than you are going to go with the Commodore deal.
The higher volume TPG plans are a lot better than that.
This is my view on the broadband situation in this country.
Its a pretty distorted view. The TPG ADSL2+ plans are nothing like
a drive to the shops once a week and maybe to church on sunday.
Finally, dumping the huge $ amounts quoted into this NBN plan can only
make this situation worse, and drive costs higher and value for money lower.
Depends on how its paid for. If part of what was obtained by flogging
off Telstra was used to pay for it, it would be perfectly possible to
charge say $50/month total and provide say a 180GB limit per month.
Corse its very arguable that that is the best use of $50B instead of say hospitals etc.
If Telstra is involved except as one of many competitive
players on an even field - you can guarantee it.
No you cant, particularly if the NBN was paid for using part of what was obtained by flogging off Telstra.
Corse its all up in the air now if the coalition jumps into bed with the independants and dumps the NBN.
The problem with that is that the independent ADSL2 is only available on
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annily wrote
B J Foster wrote
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And that is a bare faced lie. Most dont even pay for the highest speed available on the copper.
Again not a lie. Many people DO want more than 24 Mbps.
That's all I said. Your statement ("most...) doesn't contradict mine.
Many eh?
Yes. That's my opinion.
Pity you dont have a shred of evidence to actually substantiate that opinion.
Higher speeds than that have been available on the cable system for quite a while now and fuck all have actually
been stupid enough to sign up for that.
That proves that sweet fuck all want those higher speeds, you silly little pathological liar.
Agree.
The download (and some times even uploads are included in the quota)
limits and the steep rise in prices per GB to get more reasonable
limts make a lot of the higher speed plans a joke in GB / $ value.
You can get pretty decent GB/$ value if you want it, you just cant get the higher speeds as well.
You end up with an analogy like this
You can have the choice of the use of a used Commodore that
you can drive as much and as fast (within legal limits) as you like
You can have the choice of the use of a Ferrari with a limit of
100km distance a month after which its 40km/ hr speed limited.
That analogy falls down badly with the ADSL2+ which has very decent download limits like with say TPG etc.
You dont even pay all that much per month for that.
You dont however get speeds better than 24Mbs that route.
Thats a lot better than a used Commodore.
Unless you only drive to the shops once a week, (and maybe
to church on Sunday) and never aspire to going any further
afield than you are going to go with the Commodore deal.
The higher volume TPG plans are a lot better than that.
This is my view on the broadband situation in this country.
Its a pretty distorted view. The TPG ADSL2+ plans are nothing like
a drive to the shops once a week and maybe to church on sunday.
Finally, dumping the huge $ amounts quoted into this NBN plan can
only make this situation worse, and drive costs higher and value for
money lower.
Depends on how its paid for. If part of what was obtained by flogging
off Telstra was used to pay for it, it would be perfectly possible to
charge say $50/month total and provide say a 180GB limit per month.
Corse its very arguable that that is the best use of $50B instead of say hospitals etc.
If Telstra is involved except as one of many competitive
players on an even field - you can guarantee it.
No you cant, particularly if the NBN was paid for using part of what
was obtained by flogging off Telstra.
Corse its all up in the air now if the coalition jumps into bed with
the independants and dumps the NBN.
The problem with that is that the independent ADSL2 is only available on exchanges in the cities and larger towns.
Yes, Telstra should have been forced to resell ADSL2.Where I live, TPG only retails Telstra's ADSL1 at a much higher price than TPG's own ADSL2 and with much lower
download limits.
Yes, but most dont download anything like those higher TPG ADSL2+ download limits.The only way to get ADSL2 around here is to go with Telstra with lower download limits.
You're incredible. Even though the link clearly proves that I did updateannily wrote
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B J Foster<bjfos...@yahoo.co.invalid> wrote
Don McKenzie wrote
Option #5, Phoneline. Who still has phonelines?
Isn't this last-century technology.
Pretty much everyone still has phone lines. I can't
think of anyone I know who doesn't have a home phone
on copper lines.
I read somewhere in the context of Telstra's
financial results, that a large percentage of
Australians (early adopters) had *no* *fixed* *line*
phone service - they had gone completely mobile.
And probably an even larger percentage does have a
fixed line.
Early adopters set the trend. Early adopters are going
fully wireless.
There will still be plenty of people who don't want
wireless, regardless of trends.
ROTFL. They already have fixed line. Copper.
ROTFL. Much of the copper is crap,
Thats a lie, hardly any of the copper is crap.
Not a lie, an opinion.
Its a lie because you dont have a shred of evidence to
substantiate that opinion.
It's not a lie because I believe it to be true,
That doesnt stop it being a lie, particularly when the lie is
spewed by someone else and you are stupid enough to buy that
lie.
Your lack of understanding of the meaning of "lie" is beyond
belief.
We'll see...
I wasn't even aware of the claim being spewed by someone else,
Another lie.
Another unsubstantiated statement.
Another lie.
so I couldn't have bought it.
Another lie.
Another unsubstantiated statement.
Another lie.
and you haven't provided any evidence to the contrary.
Another lie. The evidence to the contrary is the huge numbers
who have a viable adsl service.
And what about those who haven't?
Doesnt qualify as MUCH OF THE COPPER, liar.
And of course you snipped my comment
I didnt snip a damned thing, you silly little pathological liar.
Well then, my comments must have accidentally disappeared from your
quoted material,
Everyone can see for themselves that none of your comments have
disappeared from the quoted material, you silly little pathological liar.
Oh can they?
Yep.
This link provides the evidence to back up my claim:
Everyone can see that that proves what I said, you silly little pathological liar.
You're just pathetic, you silly little pathological liar.Rod Speed wrote
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B J Foster<bjfos...@yahoo.co.invalid> wrote
Don McKenzie wrote
Option #5, Phoneline. Who still has phonelines?
Isn't this last-century technology.
Pretty much everyone still has phone lines. I
can't think of anyone I know who doesn't have a
home phone on copper lines.
I read somewhere in the context of Telstra's
financial results, that a large percentage of
Australians (early adopters) had *no* *fixed*
*line* phone service - they had gone completely
mobile.
And probably an even larger percentage does have a
fixed line.
Early adopters set the trend. Early adopters are
going fully wireless.
There will still be plenty of people who don't want
wireless, regardless of trends.
ROTFL. They already have fixed line. Copper.
ROTFL. Much of the copper is crap,
Thats a lie, hardly any of the copper is crap.
Not a lie, an opinion.
Its a lie because you dont have a shred of evidence to
substantiate that opinion.
It's not a lie because I believe it to be true,
That doesnt stop it being a lie, particularly when the lie is
spewed by someone else and you are stupid enough to buy that
lie.
Your lack of understanding of the meaning of "lie" is beyond
belief.
We'll see...
I wasn't even aware of the claim being spewed by someone else,
Another lie.
Another unsubstantiated statement.
Another lie.
so I couldn't have bought it.
Another lie.
Another unsubstantiated statement.
Another lie.
and you haven't provided any evidence to the contrary.
Another lie. The evidence to the contrary is the huge numbers
who have a viable adsl service.
And what about those who haven't?
Doesnt qualify as MUCH OF THE COPPER, liar.
And of course you snipped my comment
I didnt snip a damned thing, you silly little pathological liar.
Well then, my comments must have accidentally disappeared from
your quoted material,
Everyone can see for themselves that none of your comments have
disappeared from the quoted material, you silly little pathological liar.
Oh can they?
Yep.
This link provides the evidence to back up my claim:
Everyone can see that that proves what I said, you silly little pathological liar.
You're incredible.
That link doesnt show that, you silly little pathological liar.Even though the link clearly proves that I did update my comment to say "OK, some of the copper connections are crap",
and that comment subsequently disappeared from what you quoted in reply
I never ever said anything like that, you silly little pathological liar.(even after you had quoted it twice), you continue to try to bullshit by saying that I never said it.
You should get surgery for that nose, pinnochio.Your either need to see a psychiatrist (or become a politician).
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B J Foster<bjfos...@yahoo.co.invalid> wrote
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Option #5, Phoneline. Who still has phonelines?
Isn't this last-century technology.
Pretty much everyone still has phone lines. I
can't think of anyone I know who doesn't have a
home phone on copper lines.
I read somewhere in the context of Telstra's
financial results, that a large percentage of
Australians (early adopters) had *no* *fixed*
*line* phone service - they had gone completely
mobile.
And probably an even larger percentage does have a
fixed line.
Early adopters set the trend. Early adopters are
going fully wireless.
There will still be plenty of people who don't want
wireless, regardless of trends.
ROTFL. They already have fixed line. Copper.
ROTFL. Much of the copper is crap,
Thats a lie, hardly any of the copper is crap.
Not a lie, an opinion.
Its a lie because you dont have a shred of evidence to
substantiate that opinion.
It's not a lie because I believe it to be true,
That doesnt stop it being a lie, particularly when the lie is
spewed by someone else and you are stupid enough to buy that
lie.
Your lack of understanding of the meaning of "lie" is beyond
belief.
We'll see...
I wasn't even aware of the claim being spewed by someone else,
Another lie.
Another unsubstantiated statement.
Another lie.
so I couldn't have bought it.
Another lie.
Another unsubstantiated statement.
Another lie.
and you haven't provided any evidence to the contrary.
Another lie. The evidence to the contrary is the huge numbers
who have a viable adsl service.
And what about those who haven't?
Doesnt qualify as MUCH OF THE COPPER, liar.
And of course you snipped my comment
I didnt snip a damned thing, you silly little pathological liar.
Well then, my comments must have accidentally disappeared from
your quoted material,
Everyone can see for themselves that none of your comments have
disappeared from the quoted material, you silly little pathological liar.
Oh can they?
Yep.
This link provides the evidence to back up my claim:
Everyone can see that that proves what I said, you silly little pathological liar.
You're incredible.
You're just pathetic, you silly little pathological liar.
Even though the link clearly proves that I did update my comment to say "OK, some of the copper connections are crap",
and that comment subsequently disappeared from what you quoted in reply
That link doesnt show that, you silly little pathological liar.
Of course you did, liar.(even after you had quoted it twice), you continue to try to bullshit by saying that I never said it.
I never ever said anything like that, you silly little pathological liar.
Everyone can see for themselves that I can read fine, you silly little pathological liar.Rod Speed wrote
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B J Foster<bjfos...@yahoo.co.invalid> wrote
Don McKenzie wrote
Option #5, Phoneline. Who still has phonelines?
Isn't this last-century technology.
Pretty much everyone still has phone lines. I
can't think of anyone I know who doesn't have a
home phone on copper lines.
I read somewhere in the context of Telstra's
financial results, that a large percentage of
Australians (early adopters) had *no* *fixed*
*line* phone service - they had gone completely
mobile.
And probably an even larger percentage does have a
fixed line.
Early adopters set the trend. Early adopters are
going fully wireless.
There will still be plenty of people who don't want
wireless, regardless of trends.
ROTFL. They already have fixed line. Copper.
ROTFL. Much of the copper is crap,
Thats a lie, hardly any of the copper is crap.
Not a lie, an opinion.
Its a lie because you dont have a shred of evidence to
substantiate that opinion.
It's not a lie because I believe it to be true,
That doesnt stop it being a lie, particularly when the lie
is spewed by someone else and you are stupid enough to buy
that lie.
Your lack of understanding of the meaning of "lie" is beyond
belief.
We'll see...
I wasn't even aware of the claim being spewed by someone
else,
Another lie.
Another unsubstantiated statement.
Another lie.
so I couldn't have bought it.
Another lie.
Another unsubstantiated statement.
Another lie.
and you haven't provided any evidence to the contrary.
Another lie. The evidence to the contrary is the huge
numbers who have a viable adsl service.
And what about those who haven't?
Doesnt qualify as MUCH OF THE COPPER, liar.
And of course you snipped my comment
I didnt snip a damned thing, you silly little pathological
liar.
Well then, my comments must have accidentally disappeared from
your quoted material,
Everyone can see for themselves that none of your comments have
disappeared from the quoted material, you silly little
pathological liar.
Oh can they?
Yep.
This link provides the evidence to back up my claim:
Everyone can see that that proves what I said, you silly little
pathological liar.
You're incredible.
You're just pathetic, you silly little pathological liar.
Even though the link clearly proves that I did update my comment to
say "OK, some of the copper connections are crap", and that comment
subsequently disappeared from what you quoted in reply
That link doesnt show that, you silly little pathological liar.
So you can't read now?
Everyone can see for themselves that I never ever did, you silly little pathological liar.(even after you had quoted it twice), you continue to try to
bullshit by saying that I never said it.
I never ever said anything like that, you silly little pathological liar.
Of course you did, liar.
That is true. I would be quite happy if it was practical to get 1.5Mbkreed wrote
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B J Foster <bjfos...@yahoo.co.invalid> wrote
Don McKenzie wrote
Option #5, Phoneline. Who still has phonelines? Isn't this last-century technology.
Pretty much everyone still has phone lines. I can't think of
anyone I know who doesn't have a home phone on copper lines.
I read somewhere in the context of Telstra's financial
results, that a large percentage of Australians (early
adopters) had *no* *fixed* *line* phone service - they had
gone completely mobile.
And probably an even larger percentage does have a fixed line.
Early adopters set the trend. Early adopters are going fully wireless.
There will still be plenty of people who don't want wireless, regardless of trends.
ROTFL. They already have fixed line. Copper.
ROTFL. Much of the copper is crap, and it won't support high enough speeds for many people.
Nothing wrong with copper lines.
They do limit the maximum speed with street distances.
No matter what grand plan they propose, its going to involve copper line at some point.
Wrong, not down the streets they dont with fibre.
Even Coax or Cat5/6 uses copper conductors.
And fibre doesnt.
ADSL 2 can go more than fast enough for the majority of people
Depends on whether you want to get DVDs and bluerays in seconds or not..
Depends on whether people actually need that
Corse they dont, they can always drive to the rental operation.
Or realise that there is no point in getting what will take an hour or more to watch
in seconds, you might as well just start watching it while its still downloading instead.
compared to the huge cost involved to the nation that
will probably take forever to pay back with interest.
(and ultimately paid by everyone via higher taxes / massive access
fees / reduced gov. services in other areas or a bit of both.).
That wouldnt be the case if part of what was obtained by flogging off Telstra was used to build it.
No need to download DVD video any faster than you can watch it.
Correct.
They probably will use crap "streaming" methods anyway.
It wont be crap and they already dont.
You couldn't even save the data size (4.3GB) of a typical
DVD to a hard drive in less than a few minutes regardless.
Correct.
I don't know how long it would even take to buffer it to RAM
on a typical home PC - assuming you had enough spare.
The short story is that there isnt any need for 1Gb for that.
The 8Mb that ADSL1 can do is fine to0, even 1.5Mb
is fine for downloading and watching simultaneously
tho not for blueray content.
Not at all. Even if it takes a few hours to download a DVD sizeDoes it really make any sense to be spending anything like
$50B just to avoid driving to the rental operation for bluerays ?
If they want more speed than that they can pay for a second or
3rd line & ADSL connection to double/triple their speed as needed.
Not practical compared with fibre.
The savings by using something that is already there would be enormous.
Yes, but the speed is much lower than with fibre.
True, but the cost would be massive for existing customers if they didn't need it.
That wouldnt be the case if part of what was obtained by flogging off Telstra was used to build it.
For new installations and developments - I think
that then it is practical to go with fibre from the start.
It isnt really with so much development happening in the existing suburbs with
individual houses being demolished and replaced with blocks of units etc.
That has been happening in parts of where I live
infrastructure,Existing copper services can be upgraded as maintenance
and renewal / replacement of unserviceable existing architecture
/ when there is sufficient demand in the area in question.
It isnt really practical compared with replacing the copper with fibre suburb by suburb etc.
Could prioritize suburbs that are due for upgrades, ageing
That is true. There are plenty of other public services that needCorse doing that costs an immense amount of money and
its very arguable indeed if that makes any sense at all
compared with say spending that money on hospitals etc.
Would BPL (power line broadband) work in rural areas ?For areas that are too far from an exchange to
get ADSL, why not run a fibre link (or similar)
from exchange to the cable pits in question to provide
a local ADSL hub that is close enough to the subscribers
Thats what RIMs and CMUXes do.
or maybe use repeaters if there are not enough
lines in an area (rural) in question to justify fibre.
Its very arguable that that is viable.
Remote areas can use satellite or wireless
Even suburban areas use wireless right now.
- wireless shouldn't be a problem in remote areas as there isn't
much radio traffic to congest the band compared to the city.
The problem is that that approach doesnt work for the longer distances..
Satellite ?
You dont get anything like the thruput that way.
Or if there isn't an existing connection - use fibre.
Its never going to be economic to do long runs of fibre to individual propertys etc.
True. He is gone but his legacy lives on.Would cost a hell of a lot less than some of the silliness being talked about.
Yes, the NBN is certainly by far the most expensive approach.
At the end of the day, we don't have a choice.
Corse we have a choice, most obviously with spending
part of what was obtained by flogging off Telstra.
We will simply be stuck with the bill once more while ignorant/corrupted public
servants make a typically poor decision on our behalf and at our expense.
Its not public servants that get to decide a damned thing, it was some stupid
politician called Rudd that was stupid enough to go the NBN route when he
discovered that he couldnt monster Telstra into building the FTTN system.
I hope to god you are right on that one.Same with the carbon pollution bullshit
That hasnt got a damned thing to do with public servants either.
And now that Labor has got the bums rush at the ballot box, we wont be seeing any tax on carbon, you watch.