Singapore - Infrastructure -1Gbps fibre NBN

[Don McKenzie]

Just so happens that Singapore is now installing a 1Gbps fibre NBN.

IDA Singapore - Infrastructure - Wired
http://www.ida.gov.sg/Infrastructure/20060919190208.aspx

Press release:
http://www.nucleusconnect.com/press-060510-NCGearsUp.php

Pricing $1AUD = $1.22SGD
http://www.nucleusconnect.com/downloads/AnnexA.pdf

Nucleus Connect’s Wholesale Offerings (NOTE*** WHOLESALE)
Nucleus Connect will offer a wholesale price of $21 per month for a 100 Mbps residential
end-user connection and $121 for a 1Gbps connection. For non-residential premises, such
as offices and schools, Nucleus Connect will offer a wholesale price of $75 per month for a
100 Mbps connection. Enterprise users who have more demanding requirements can opt
for a 1Gbps connection at $860 per month.

The IDA Singapore Infrastructure Wired web page will take quite a bit of reading and digesting, but it will give you an
idea of what one of the most densely populated places in the world, is doing about an NBN service.

Cheers Don...

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[Rod Speed]

Don McKenzie wrote:

Just so happens that Singapore is now installing a 1Gbps fibre NBN.

IDA Singapore - Infrastructure - Wired
http://www.ida.gov.sg/Infrastructure/20060919190208.aspx

Press release:
http://www.nucleusconnect.com/press-060510-NCGearsUp.php

Pricing $1AUD = $1.22SGD
http://www.nucleusconnect.com/downloads/AnnexA.pdf

Nucleus Connect’s Wholesale Offerings (NOTE*** WHOLESALE)
Nucleus Connect will offer a wholesale price of $21 per month for a
100 Mbps residential end-user connection and $121 for a 1Gbps connection. For
non-residential premises, such as offices and schools, Nucleus Connect will offer a wholesale price
of $75 per month for a 100 Mbps connection. Enterprise users who have
more demanding requirements can opt for a 1Gbps connection at $860 per month.

The IDA Singapore Infrastructure Wired web page will take quite a bit of reading and digesting, but it will give you
an idea of what one of the most densely populated places in the world,

That last isnt right. Its no higher density than the sydney basin.

> is doing about an NBN service.

 

[Don McKenzie]

On 17/08/2010 6:02 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:

Just so happens that Singapore is now installing a 1Gbps fibre NBN.

Just had a much better look at this Singapore site. Have added two links below that I think most readers will find
extremely interesting:
=================================

Locations that do not possess any physical address or postal code such as bus stops, outdoor digital signage, traffic
lights, surveillance cameras or ATM machines, will be connected to OpenNet's fibre infrastructure when requested. See
link below:

IDA Singapore - Infrastructure - Deployment - Outdoors
http://www.ida.gov.sg/Infrastructure/20090731132138.aspx

Have a look under Renovation Considerations also for future proofing your home:
IDA Singapore - Infrastructure - Home Networking
http://www.ida.gov.sg/Infrastructure/20090731133157.aspx

Cheers Don...


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[atec77]

On 17/08/2010 8:00 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:

On 17/08/2010 6:02 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:

Just so happens that Singapore is now installing a 1Gbps fibre NBN.

Just had a much better look at this Singapore site. Have added two links
below that I think most readers will find extremely interesting:
I simply cant see the relevance as after all the island is about the

size of a large au city , fibre could be done here but getting fibre
into a home in western Qld 100k from town is the problem

=================================

Locations that do not possess any physical address or postal code such
as bus stops, outdoor digital signage, traffic lights, surveillance
cameras or ATM machines, will be connected to OpenNet's fibre
infrastructure when requested. See link below:

IDA Singapore - Infrastructure - Deployment - Outdoors
http://www.ida.gov.sg/Infrastructure/20090731132138.aspx

Have a look under Renovation Considerations also for future proofing
your home:
IDA Singapore - Infrastructure - Home Networking
http://www.ida.gov.sg/Infrastructure/20090731133157.aspx

Cheers Don...

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[annily]

atec77 wrote:

On 17/08/2010 8:00 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:
On 17/08/2010 6:02 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:

Just so happens that Singapore is now installing a 1Gbps fibre NBN.

Just had a much better look at this Singapore site. Have added two links
below that I think most readers will find extremely interesting:
I simply cant see the relevance as after all the island is about the
size of a large au city , fibre could be done here but getting fibre
into a home in western Qld 100k from town is the problem

Yes, no relevance to Australia at all.

--
Long-time resident of Adelaide, South Australia,
which probably influences my opinions.

 

[B J Foster]

Don McKenzie wrote:

On 17/08/2010 6:02 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:

Just so happens that Singapore is now installing a 1Gbps fibre NBN.

Just had a much better look at this Singapore site. Have added two links
below that I think most readers will find extremely interesting:
=================================

Locations that do not possess any physical address or postal code such
as bus stops, outdoor digital signage, traffic lights, surveillance
cameras or ATM machines, will be connected to OpenNet's fibre
infrastructure when requested. See link below:

IDA Singapore - Infrastructure - Deployment - Outdoors
http://www.ida.gov.sg/Infrastructure/20090731132138.aspx

Have a look under Renovation Considerations also for future proofing
your home:
IDA Singapore - Infrastructure - Home Networking
http://www.ida.gov.sg/Infrastructure/20090731133157.aspx

Cheers Don...

The home networking options are really interesting.

Option #1, Wifi shows a laptop, a desktop and a printer. For this
configuration a 10Mbps internet connection would be quite adequate.

Option #2, 'Structured cabling' shows Cat5e/6 cabling. That's better,
now at least you have GigE to match the *claimed* GigE from the
gubbermint - though it's still hard to see why anything more than 5Mbps
is required. The voice terminal only needs 100kbps - and *no-one* would
notice any difference between 10Mbps and 100Mbps when browsing, so
10Mbps is quite adequate.

Option #3, 'Other wireless' is completely ridiculous. I challenge anyone
to send HD over 802.11 even MIMO. Anyway the proper medium for broadcast
is the *air* since everyone is receiving the same signal anyway. Sending
the same signal to 24 homes without multicast is stupid - just like
mobile phone TV.

Option #4, Powerline is an intelligent way to use existing wiring but
the devices are overpriced and at 85Mbps, most of the *claimed* 100Mbps
from the NBN is wasted. Of course the *claimed* 1Gbps spin is just a sad
Labor joke.

Option #5, Phoneline. Who still has phonelines? Isn't this last-century
technology.

Conclusion: The NBN is a white-elephant

 

[B J Foster]

Don McKenzie wrote:

On 17/08/2010 6:02 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:

Just so happens that Singapore is now installing a 1Gbps fibre NBN.

Just had a much better look at this Singapore site. Have added two links
below that I think most readers will find extremely interesting:
=================================

Locations that do not possess any physical address or postal code such
as bus stops, outdoor digital signage, traffic lights, surveillance
cameras or ATM machines, will be connected to OpenNet's fibre
infrastructure when requested. See link below:

IDA Singapore - Infrastructure - Deployment - Outdoors
http://www.ida.gov.sg/Infrastructure/20090731132138.aspx

Have a look under Renovation Considerations also for future proofing
your home:
IDA Singapore - Infrastructure - Home Networking
http://www.ida.gov.sg/Infrastructure/20090731133157.aspx

Cheers Don...

All that wiring under "future proofing" is ridiculous. I made it all
wireless years ago.

 

[kreed]

On Aug 18, 11:17 pm, B J Foster <bjfos...@yahoo.co.invalid> wrote:

Don McKenzie wrote:
On 17/08/2010 6:02 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:

Just so happens that Singapore is now installing a 1Gbps fibre NBN.

Just had a much better look at this Singapore site. Have added two links
below that I think most readers will find extremely interesting:
================================
Locations that do not possess any physical address or postal code such
as bus stops, outdoor digital signage, traffic lights, surveillance
cameras or ATM machines, will be connected to OpenNet's fibre
infrastructure when requested. See link below:

IDA Singapore - Infrastructure - Deployment - Outdoors
http://www.ida.gov.sg/Infrastructure/20090731132138.aspx

Have a look under Renovation Considerations also for future proofing
your home:
IDA Singapore - Infrastructure - Home Networking
http://www.ida.gov.sg/Infrastructure/20090731133157.aspx

Cheers Don...

The home networking options are really interesting.

Option #1, Wifi shows a laptop, a desktop and a printer. For this
configuration a 10Mbps internet connection would be quite adequate.

Option #2, 'Structured cabling' shows Cat5e/6 cabling. That's better,
now at least you have GigE to match the *claimed* GigE from the
gubbermint - though it's still hard to see why anything more than 5Mbps
is required. The voice terminal only needs 100kbps - and *no-one* would
notice any difference between 10Mbps and 100Mbps when browsing, so
10Mbps is quite adequate.

Option #3, 'Other wireless' is completely ridiculous. I challenge anyone
to send HD over 802.11 even MIMO. Anyway the proper medium for broadcast
is the *air* since everyone is receiving the same signal anyway. Sending
the same signal to 24 homes without multicast is stupid - just like
mobile phone TV.

Option #4, Powerline is an intelligent way to use existing wiring but
the devices are overpriced and at 85Mbps, most of the *claimed* 100Mbps
from the NBN is wasted. Of course the *claimed* 1Gbps spin is just a sad
Labor joke.

Option #5, Phoneline. Who still has phonelines? Isn't this last-century
technology.

Pretty much everyone still has phone lines. I can't think of anyone I
know who doesn't have a home phone on copper lines.

Considering that data transmission rates like now would have been at
the highest levels of science fiction when copper phone lines
were first put into use, they have turned out to be an incredibly
resilient system, when you look at the data speeds via ADSL
that these "ancient" lines can provide even now, on top of their
traditional use as a telephone line.

For that matter electricity, and literally thousands of
inventions we use everyday and rely on are "last century technology"

Conclusion: The NBN is a white-elephant

Agree

 

[Ross Herbert]

On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:00:06 +1000, Don McKenzie <5V@2.5A> wrote:

:On 17/08/2010 6:02 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:
:>
:> Just so happens that Singapore is now installing a 1Gbps fibre NBN.
:
:Just had a much better look at this Singapore site. Have added two links below
that I think most readers will find
:extremely interesting:
:=================================
:
:Locations that do not possess any physical address or postal code such as bus
stops, outdoor digital signage, traffic
:lights, surveillance cameras or ATM machines, will be connected to OpenNet's
fibre infrastructure when requested. See
:link below:
:
:IDA Singapore - Infrastructure - Deployment - Outdoors
:http://www.ida.gov.sg/Infrastructure/20090731132138.aspx
:
:Have a look under Renovation Considerations also for future proofing your home:
:IDA Singapore - Infrastructure - Home Networking
:http://www.ida.gov.sg/Infrastructure/20090731133157.aspx
:
:Cheers Don...

Telstra has a lot of documentation on wiring etc for its Velocity FTTH service
which will be almost the defacto standard in AUstralia
http://www.telstra.com.au/smartcommunity/mybuilder.html

Installation will be similar no matter which service provider a customer uses.

 

[B J Foster]

kreed wrote:

On Aug 18, 11:17 pm, B J Foster <bjfos...@yahoo.co.invalid> wrote:
Don McKenzie wrote:
....

Option #5, Phoneline. Who still has phonelines? Isn't this last-century
technology.


Pretty much everyone still has phone lines. I can't think of anyone I
know who doesn't have a home phone on copper lines.

I read somewhere in the context of Telstra's financial results, that
a large percentage of Australians (early adopters) had *no* *fixed*
*line* phone service - they had gone completely mobile.

Labor is building a white elephant.

Considering that data transmission rates like now would have been at
the highest levels of science fiction when copper phone lines
were first put into use, they have turned out to be an incredibly
resilient system, when you look at the data speeds via ADSL
that these "ancient" lines can provide even now, on top of their
traditional use as a telephone line.

For that matter electricity, and literally thousands of
inventions we use everyday and rely on are "last century technology"

It is pointless and wasteful to build FTTP where ADSL exists. If
broadband was such a point of difference then it would be an important
factor in buying a home. It isn't.

Labor are just wasting our grandchildren's taxes and spending our
retirement savings on a white elephant.

Conclusion: The NBN is a white-elephant

Agree

 

[annily]

B J Foster wrote:

kreed wrote:
On Aug 18, 11:17 pm, B J Foster <bjfos...@yahoo.co.invalid> wrote:
Don McKenzie wrote:
...

Option #5, Phoneline. Who still has phonelines? Isn't this last-century
technology.


Pretty much everyone still has phone lines. I can't think of anyone I
know who doesn't have a home phone on copper lines.

I read somewhere in the context of Telstra's financial results, that
a large percentage of Australians (early adopters) had *no* *fixed*
*line* phone service - they had gone completely mobile.

And probably an even larger percentage does have a fixed line.

It is pointless and wasteful to build FTTP where ADSL exists.

Why? It fulfils a need for higher speeds than will ever be possible over
copper (and probably wireless too).

--
Long-time resident of Adelaide, South Australia,
which probably influences my opinions.

 

[Rob]

On 20/08/2010 8:07 AM, B J Foster wrote:

kreed wrote:
On Aug 18, 11:17 pm, B J Foster <bjfos...@yahoo.co.invalid> wrote:
Don McKenzie wrote:
...

Option #5, Phoneline. Who still has phonelines? Isn't this last-century
technology.


Pretty much everyone still has phone lines. I can't think of anyone I
know who doesn't have a home phone on copper lines.

I read somewhere in the context of Telstra's financial results, that
a large percentage of Australians (early adopters) had *no* *fixed*
*line* phone service - they had gone completely mobile.

Yep Ill agree with that - several of my friends (the y and older
generations thats 80yrs old.) are mobile and wireless BB only. You don't
get a fixed line when you go to a retirement home either.

Most kids who have mobile phones grow into not having a fixed line at all.

Labor is building a white elephant.

yep

Conclusion: The NBN is a white-elephant

Agree

 

[annily]

terryc wrote:

On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:01:59 +0930, annily wrote:


I read somewhere in the context of Telstra's financial results, that a
large percentage of Australians (early adopters) had *no* *fixed*
*line* phone service - they had gone completely mobile.

And probably an even larger percentage does have a fixed line.

What do you base you assumption on?

Experience.

--
Long-time resident of Adelaide, South Australia,
which probably influences my opinions.

 

[terryc]

On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:54:49 +1000, Rob wrote:

On 20/08/2010 8:07 AM, B J Foster wrote:
kreed wrote:
On Aug 18, 11:17 pm, B J Foster <bjfos...@yahoo.co.invalid> wrote:
Don McKenzie wrote:
...

Option #5, Phoneline. Who still has phonelines? Isn't this
last-century technology.


Pretty much everyone still has phone lines. I can't think of anyone I
know who doesn't have a home phone on copper lines.

I read somewhere in the context of Telstra's financial results, that a
large percentage of Australians (early adopters) had *no* *fixed*
*line* phone service - they had gone completely mobile.


Yep Ill agree with that - several of my friends (the y and older
generations thats 80yrs old.) are mobile and wireless BB only. You don't
get a fixed line when you go to a retirement home either.

Surely that depends on the policy of the retirement home? I know that
some do leave it to you and Telstra, whereas others enforce that you must
use their offering.

Most kids who have mobile phones grow into not having a fixed line at
all.

There was an ABC RN program where this was discussed and it was
hypothesised that one of the reasons was experience with the problems of
sharing; move out from mum and dad into shared accommodation, endless
arguments over chores and bills, obtain mobile and do not contribute to
shared phone costs.

 

[terryc]

On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:01:59 +0930, annily wrote:

I read somewhere in the context of Telstra's financial results, that a
large percentage of Australians (early adopters) had *no* *fixed*
*line* phone service - they had gone completely mobile.

And probably an even larger percentage does have a fixed line.

What do you base you assumption on?

 

[Rod Speed]

B J Foster wrote

kreed wrote
B J Foster <bjfos...@yahoo.co.invalid> wrote
Don McKenzie wrote

Option #5, Phoneline. Who still has phonelines? Isn't this last-century technology.

Pretty much everyone still has phone lines. I can't think of anyone I know who doesn't have a home phone on copper
lines.

I read somewhere in the context of Telstra's financial results, that
a large percentage of Australians (early adopters) had *no* *fixed*
*line* phone service - they had gone completely mobile.

Just because some fool claims something, doesnt make it gospel.

There are certainly some who have gone completely mobile,
most obviously those with capped mobile plans that are now
very common, who effectively dont pay any marginal cost for
an extra call, and those who share accomodation or move quite
a bit etc, but thats got nothing to do with 'early adopters' since
fuck all dont have a mobile anymore.

Labor is building a white elephant.

Doesnt meant that everyone who uses mobiles for voice use it for net access, stupid.

The NBN aint a white elephant, just a very expensive way to improve fixed line broadband.

Considering that data transmission rates like now would have been at the highest levels of science fiction when
copper phone lines were first put into use, they have turned out to be an incredibly
resilient system, when you look at the data speeds via ADSL
that these "ancient" lines can provide even now, on top of their
traditional use as a telephone line.

For that matter electricity, and literally thousands of inventions we use everyday and rely on are "last century
technology"

It is pointless and wasteful to build FTTP where ADSL exists.

Nope, the speeds are much faster than anything ADSL can do.

If broadband was such a point of difference then it would be an important factor in buying a home. It isn't.

Because almost all houses have decent broadband available now.

Labor are just wasting our grandchildren's taxes

You dont know that and they wouldnt be doing that if they spent
part of what was obtained by flogging off Telstra on the NBN.

and spending our retirement savings on a white elephant.

Another pig ignorant lie.

Conclusion: The NBN is a white-elephant

Agree

 

[Rod Speed]

Rob wrote

B J Foster wrote
kreed wrote
B J Foster <bjfos...@yahoo.co.invalid> wrote
Don McKenzie wrote

Option #5, Phoneline. Who still has phonelines? Isn't this last-century technology.

Pretty much everyone still has phone lines. I can't think of anyone
I know who doesn't have a home phone on copper lines.

I read somewhere in the context of Telstra's financial results, that
a large percentage of Australians (early adopters) had *no* *fixed*
*line* phone service - they had gone completely mobile.

Yep Ill agree with that - several of my friends (the y and older
generations thats 80yrs old.) are mobile and wireless BB only.

Its still a much smaller minority than those who have a fixed line.

You don't get a fixed line when you go to a retirement home either.

Thats just plain wrong.

Most kids who have mobile phones grow into not having a fixed line at all.

Thats just plain wrong too.

Labor is building a white elephant.

yep

Nope, just spending much more than needs to be spent.

Conclusion: The NBN is a white-elephant

Agree

 

[Rod Speed]

terryc wrote

annily wrote

I read somewhere in the context of Telstra's financial results,
that a large percentage of Australians (early adopters) had *no*
*fixed* *line* phone service - they had gone completely mobile.

And probably an even larger percentage does have a fixed line.

What do you base you assumption on?

Its not an assumption, its a fact, clearly visible in the Telstra financial reports.

 

[Rod Speed]

annily wrote:

terryc wrote:
On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:01:59 +0930, annily wrote:


I read somewhere in the context of Telstra's financial results,
that a large percentage of Australians (early adopters) had *no*
*fixed* *line* phone service - they had gone completely mobile.

And probably an even larger percentage does have a fixed line.

What do you base you assumption on?


Experience.

Yeah, me too. None of the non kids has no fixed line and the vast majority
of the kids still have a fixed line, if only their parent's for net access.

 

[Tom]

On 20/08/2010 11:31 AM, annily wrote:
.......

Why? It fulfils a need for higher speeds than will ever be possible over copper (and probably wireless too).

Why do you need such speed in Au, the (possibly) only country that have monthly download/upload limits? Do you want to be able to use your monthly allowance in an hour or two?

Tom