Silly question, AC power plugs

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George Herold

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Why do US 120 VAC power plugs have holes in the end of the blades?

George H.
 
On Tue, 15 May 2012 11:22:21 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
<gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:

Why do US 120 VAC power plugs have holes in the end of the blades?

George H.
To allow you to put the shackle of a small lock through the blade to
ensure the item can't be plugged in for use?
 
news@jecarter.us wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2012 11:22:21 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:


Why do US 120 VAC power plugs have holes in the end of the blades?

George H.

To allow you to put the shackle of a small lock through the blade to
ensure the item can't be plugged in for use?
I suspect it's to mate with a small boss on the blades of the socket, to
make it less likely to jiggle loose. The British solved that problem by
the traditional method of "add mass until nothing breaks."

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
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845-480-2058

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"Phil Hobbs" <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in message
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news@jecarter.us wrote:

On Tue, 15 May 2012 11:22:21 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:


Why do US 120 VAC power plugs have holes in the end of the blades?

George H.

To allow you to put the shackle of a small lock through the blade to
ensure the item can't be plugged in for use?

I suspect it's to mate with a small boss on the blades of the socket, to
make it less likely to jiggle loose. The British solved that problem by
the traditional method of "add mass until nothing breaks."

I always marvelled at how the Yanks got away with such flimsy plugs when
half the voltage means twice the current for the same load power.
 
Ian Field wrote:
"Phil Hobbs" <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in message
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news@jecarter.us wrote:

On Tue, 15 May 2012 11:22:21 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:


Why do US 120 VAC power plugs have holes in the end of the blades?

George H.

To allow you to put the shackle of a small lock through the blade to
ensure the item can't be plugged in for use?

I suspect it's to mate with a small boss on the blades of the socket, to
make it less likely to jiggle loose. The British solved that problem by
the traditional method of "add mass until nothing breaks."

I always marvelled at how the Yanks got away with such flimsy plugs when
half the voltage means twice the current for the same load power.
Your Victorian ancestors didn't get it either. ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
 
On Tue, 15 May 2012 21:42:24 +0100, "Ian Field"
<gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:

"Phil Hobbs" <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in message
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news@jecarter.us wrote:

On Tue, 15 May 2012 11:22:21 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:


Why do US 120 VAC power plugs have holes in the end of the blades?

George H.

To allow you to put the shackle of a small lock through the blade to
ensure the item can't be plugged in for use?

I suspect it's to mate with a small boss on the blades of the socket, to
make it less likely to jiggle loose. The British solved that problem by
the traditional method of "add mass until nothing breaks."


I always marvelled at how the Yanks got away with such flimsy plugs when
half the voltage means twice the current for the same load power.
---
A blade made of brass with a width of 1/4", a thickness of 1/16" and a
length of about an inch is hardly flimsy, and serves us well when we
opt to go to 240V and eke out four times the power available from the
mains without changing plugs.

--
JF
 
On Tue, 15 May 2012 11:22:21 -0700, George Herold wrote:

Why do US 120 VAC power plugs have holes in the end of the blades?

George H.
I've been using those suckers for over fifty years, and it never once
occurred to me to wonder about that... shame on me...
 
George Herold wrote:
Why do US 120 VAC power plugs have holes in the end of the blades?

So the current can flow, of course! ;-)


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.
 
On May 15, 4:19 pm, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSensel...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
n...@jecarter.us wrote:

On Tue, 15 May 2012 11:22:21 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
gher...@teachspin.com> wrote:

Why do US 120 VAC power plugs have holes in the end of the blades?

George H.

To allow you to put the shackle of a small lock through the blade to
ensure the item can't be plugged in for use?

I suspect it's to mate with a small boss on the blades of the socket, to
make it less likely to jiggle loose.  The British solved that problem by
the traditional method of "add mass until nothing breaks."

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058

hobbs at electrooptical dot nethttp://electrooptical.net
Is there such a boss in the female end? Now I'm going to have to rip
open a receptacle.

George H.
 
George Herold wrote:
Is there such a boss in the female end? Now I'm going to have to rip
open a receptacle.

There were, in the early ceramic outlets.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.
 
On May 15, 10:15 pm, Chiron
<chiron613.no.sp...@no.spam.please.gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2012 11:22:21 -0700, George Herold wrote:
Why do US 120 VAC power plugs have holes in the end of the blades?

George H.

I've been using those suckers for over fifty years, and it never once
occurred to me to wonder about that... shame on me...
I was looking at 'wall warts' with different 'blades' for different
countries. And no one else has holes in their blades.
(like these)
www.phihong.com/assets/pdf/PSC12R.pdf


George H.
 
On Wed, 16 May 2012 01:01:49 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

George Herold wrote:

Why do US 120 VAC power plugs have holes in the end of the blades?


So the current can flow, of course! ;-)
Of course! Once you pointed it out, it was obvious. See what you can
figure out, if you know a little science?



--
Don't mind him; politicians always sound like that.
 
On Tue, 15 May 2012 16:19:44 -0400, Phil Hobbs wrote:

The British solved that problem by
the traditional method of "add mass until nothing breaks."
Shame they had to go for thick rectangular section pins with contact only
on two sides. About a third of the surface area wasted. The ones I've come
into contact (no pun) with seem to get rather hot on full load.

Nasty clumsy things.

The German Schuko system seems to me to be superior.


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over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled."
(Richard Feynman)
 
On Wed, 16 May 2012 10:44:03 -0700, Fred Abse <excretatauris@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

On Tue, 15 May 2012 16:19:44 -0400, Phil Hobbs wrote:

The British solved that problem by
the traditional method of "add mass until nothing breaks."

Shame they had to go for thick rectangular section pins with contact only
on two sides. About a third of the surface area wasted. The ones I've come
into contact (no pun) with seem to get rather hot on full load.

Nasty clumsy things.

The German Schuko system seems to me to be superior.
Over-designed and too expensive. Typical German stuff.
 
On Wed, 16 May 2012 01:01:49 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

George Herold wrote:

Why do US 120 VAC power plugs have holes in the end of the blades?


So the current can flow, of course! ;-)
No, silly! The current in a conductor is carried by electrons, not holes!
 
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On Tue, 15 May 2012 11:22:21 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
<gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:

Why do US 120 VAC power plugs have holes in the end of the blades?

George H.
To allow you to put the shackle of a small lock through the blade to
ensure the item can't be plugged in for use?

That is correct. There might be other reasons.
 
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 10:44:03 -0700, Fred Abse <excretatauris@invalid.invalid
wrote:

On Tue, 15 May 2012 16:19:44 -0400, Phil Hobbs wrote:

The British solved that problem by
the traditional method of "add mass until nothing breaks."
Shame they had to go for thick rectangular section pins with contact only
on two sides. About a third of the surface area wasted. The ones I've come
into contact (no pun) with seem to get rather hot on full load.
Shouldn't. A good quality properly wired MK brand plug and socket
will run cool carrying 16A if in reasonable condition. Of course it
should never be carrying 16A for long as the plug is fused at 13A. There
are other brands that are satisfactory. Cheap crap that barely meets the
standard or falsely claims to do so is another matter. I would estimate
that half the moulded on plugs one meets are junk.

Nasty clumsy things.

The German Schuko system seems to me to be superior.

Over-designed and too expensive. Typical German stuff.
Also extremely vulnerable to damage to the exposed earth contacts at the
top and bottom of the socket.

The French system with the earth pin on the socket is preferable.

You may finf this site interesting:
<http://www.fam-oud.nl/~plugsocket/Overview.html>

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On Wednesday, May 16, 2012 7:44:03 PM UTC+2, Fred Abse wrote:
Nasty clumsy things.

The German Schuko system seems to me to be superior.
....apart from the fact that you can plug them
in either way around (ie. live/neutral swapped)
causing massive sparks when you try to connect
your printer to your PC due to the difference
in ground levels.

Nope. The best plugs I've seen are the UK ones.

Apart from having the best shape they also
have a fuse inside the plug so the fuse
rating matches the device (gasp!) and
everything else in the house doesn't stop
working when something shorts out.

They also thought to put on/off switches
on all the wall sockets - incredibly useful.
 
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On Wed, 16 May 2012 10:44:03 -0700, Fred Abse
excretatauris@invalid.invalid
wrote:

On Tue, 15 May 2012 16:19:44 -0400, Phil Hobbs wrote:

The British solved that problem by
the traditional method of "add mass until nothing breaks."

Shame they had to go for thick rectangular section pins with contact only
on two sides. About a third of the surface area wasted. The ones I've come
into contact (no pun) with seem to get rather hot on full load.

Nasty clumsy things.

The German Schuko system seems to me to be superior.

Over-designed and too expensive. Typical German stuff.
They've always done it that way!!

In WW2 their tanks had to be literally stripped down out in the field if
anything broke.
 

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