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"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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which cover about 30% of the Indian sub continent. There is an equivalent
area known as the Siberian Trapps. The Deccann trapps straddle the KT
boundary but their activity increased significantly after the impact.
Interestingly enough, at the time of the KT boundary formation, India, as a
separate continent, was almost exactly opposite the impact site in Yucatan.
(Plate tectonics). Shock waves would have spread out from the Yucatan impact
point and re-concentrated at a geologically unstable area on the other side
of the globe, causing massive volcanism.
The level of geological violence involved beggars the imagination. Imagine
hundreds of the worst volcanic eruptions we have seen over the past decades
all happening simultaneously, and you get some idea. This, in conjunction
with the effects of the Yucatan impact, turned our planet into hell
overnight.
The fact is that after the KY event and the Deccann eruption, the dinosaurs
were gone, as well as any other land animal that weighed more than a couple
of pounds. The dinosaurs were the most successful group of animals ever to
inhabit the earth, and they disappeared effectively overnight. An
equivalent extinction occurred in the oceans.
Compared to this kind of violence, our feeble attempts to modify the planet,
for good or bad are utterly insignificant. Raising the water table in one
area or stopping desertification of sub Saharan Africa are certainly worth
while endeavors, but they won't be much use inthe face of the results of a
comet impact. And if you think that comets don't hit planets, just look at
the Shoemaker-Levy impact on Jupiter.
There's nothing deliberately hostile to us in all this. But if we're in the
wrong place, planet Earth, at the wrong time ;comet impact, viral plague
outbreak, massive volcanism, global ice age, all of which have happened
before, we won't really stand much of a chance.
I'd still like a definition of "meta-species" and some information about
that event which killed off 90% of the human race, assuming that such an
event occurred.
This has got a long way from electronics, but it has been interesting. I
guess that is one reason these posts aren't particularly moderated.
John
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The Deccann Traps are an area of volcanic flow lava, several miles thickJohn Fortier wrote:
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John Fortier wrote:
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
This thread seems to have wandered quite a way from electronics,
but -
what
the hell!
We're not, probably, speaking about even thousands of years before
nature
bites us on the ass so hard our collective eyes pop out.
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I doubt that it's actually capable of that, we're the first
meta-species, one which is beyond evolution.
How's this for depressing? There is a type of Ebola virus found in
monkeys
which is infectious, that is, spread by coughs and sneezes, but
which
has a
mortality of only 10 to 15%,
There is a type of Ebola virus, found in another type of monkey,
which
has a
long incubation period and has a mortality of about 30%
Then there is human Ebola which has a mortality of 90%, but which is
not
infectious, but rather contagious, that is spread by contact or
direct
exchange of fluids.
Put those together in one virus and "boof! As by magic, they were
gone!"
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Not that easy.
And what would the Earth do? Pretty well ignore the entire episode.
It may be later than we think.
John
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Humans have been 90% wiped out before, and came back stronger.
-Steve
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It's not the 90% direct mortality rate that will finish us off, it's the
collapse of every system and technology in the world which will do it.
Does anyone imagine that anyone in New York City could survive such an
event, for example.
I cannot recall a historical episode where 90% of all humans were killed
off. Could you let me know to what event you are referring. Oh, and
could
you define meta-species as well, please.
Yes, there will be survivors, but cut any species down far enough and
you
have insufficient remaining numbers to ensure a breeding population.
The
survival of humans as a species would hang on a knife edge.
Steve, I think your post indicates a little too much hubris to make me
feel
secure. What we should be doing is not assuming that we're too clever
for
nature to bite back, but rather to assume that it will happen and try to
prepare for the eventuality.
It probably won't help. And it needn't be Ebola. That was just an
example.
A comet strike, like the one that wiped out the dinosaurs and so many
other
species would wipe us out just as effectively. We probably wouldn't
see it
coming, and by the time we knew what was happening, it would be far too
late.
This post is depressing even me, but to assume that because we can build
big
rockets and clever computers and have wiped out smallpox, we are forever
safe, just flies in the face of reason. The universe isn't friendly to
us,
we're all on this one little planet and anything which affects the whole
planet affects us all as well.
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Sure, we have to do the right things, like not take poison, in its
many forms, but things can be forced in many ways without harm. Tell
me what magical reason we'd need big cats for if we killed all the
animals they would kill. I can't think of any good reason. There's
no "magic".
Ever heard of the Decan Trapps?
John
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You mean the plain in India that is a flat hard desert? It was
screwed up by excessive intensive planting. It went desert.
They have been reviving it lately and even bringing the water level
back up again using Bill Mollison's Permaculture, which is ANOTHER
example of a kind of intelligent "force" that humans can employ!
-Steve
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which cover about 30% of the Indian sub continent. There is an equivalent
area known as the Siberian Trapps. The Deccann trapps straddle the KT
boundary but their activity increased significantly after the impact.
Interestingly enough, at the time of the KT boundary formation, India, as a
separate continent, was almost exactly opposite the impact site in Yucatan.
(Plate tectonics). Shock waves would have spread out from the Yucatan impact
point and re-concentrated at a geologically unstable area on the other side
of the globe, causing massive volcanism.
The level of geological violence involved beggars the imagination. Imagine
hundreds of the worst volcanic eruptions we have seen over the past decades
all happening simultaneously, and you get some idea. This, in conjunction
with the effects of the Yucatan impact, turned our planet into hell
overnight.
The fact is that after the KY event and the Deccann eruption, the dinosaurs
were gone, as well as any other land animal that weighed more than a couple
of pounds. The dinosaurs were the most successful group of animals ever to
inhabit the earth, and they disappeared effectively overnight. An
equivalent extinction occurred in the oceans.
Compared to this kind of violence, our feeble attempts to modify the planet,
for good or bad are utterly insignificant. Raising the water table in one
area or stopping desertification of sub Saharan Africa are certainly worth
while endeavors, but they won't be much use inthe face of the results of a
comet impact. And if you think that comets don't hit planets, just look at
the Shoemaker-Levy impact on Jupiter.
There's nothing deliberately hostile to us in all this. But if we're in the
wrong place, planet Earth, at the wrong time ;comet impact, viral plague
outbreak, massive volcanism, global ice age, all of which have happened
before, we won't really stand much of a chance.
I'd still like a definition of "meta-species" and some information about
that event which killed off 90% of the human race, assuming that such an
event occurred.
This has got a long way from electronics, but it has been interesting. I
guess that is one reason these posts aren't particularly moderated.
John