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[Keith Williams]

In article <10u615vr8iag106@corp.supernews.com>,
tim@wescottnospamdesign.com says...

Jim Stewart wrote:

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:47:03 -0800, the renowned Jim Stewart
jstewart@jkmicro.com> wrote:


Clarence_A wrote:


"Spehro Pefhany" wrote


"Clarence_A" wrote:


"Tim Wescott" wrote


I'll be delivering two presentations -- PID Without a PhD,


and


Basic


Control Theory for Software Engineers. More details at
http://www.esconline.com/sf/index.htm.

This being the ESC, they've put the advanced class before the
prerequisite -- oh well.


Why do they always have the ESC in San Francisco?
I can't go there, and wouldn't if I could.


Restraining order?



Company will not pay for anything in the SF area, they say it is
too expensive. They will pay in Anaheim or LV! I've even been
allowed to book in Phoenix and Denver (Gun Barrel, CO). Just NOT
SF!


If you think it's expensive to go to SF to see
a conference, just try exhibiting at one...



Are they closed union shop like the Eastern ones? I hate having to pay
those guy to do trivial stuff. Dreyage, my a**. 8-( And an
electrician every time, even if the stuff just plugged in.


Exactly.

We've done both SF and San Jose and San Jose was the worst.

Even though the contents of our booth fit in the back of
our Subaru wagon, we still had to go to the "marshaling
yard" across town, wait in line, have the vehicle weighted,
get a pickup time tag, go back to the convention center and
wait to be unloaded, drive the unloaded car back to the
"marshaling yard", get it weighed unloaded and get a weight
ticket, which BTW was at least 200 lbs higher than the
actual weight of the booth. To add injury to insult, as
I was driving off the scale, a piece of metal slashed
and destroyed one of my tires.

Leaving, we just waited for the security guards to kick
back and then sneaked everything out the front door.

By the time we did ESC at SF, we had gotten pretty good
at sneaking the stuff in past the teamsters. The trick
is to have one person in the vehicle, circling the venue.
Another person meets the vehicle, gets an armload of stuff
and carries it inside. Repeat until done.


(Sound of teeth grinding).

Oh, that's what that was. I thought it was the sound of knee caps
breaking.

I can understand the need for unions in some industries, where employers
can make things impossible for the working man.

But they sure are a good example of how power corrupts.

and as such are obsolete.

--
Keith

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 03:17:46 GMT, "Clarence_A" <no@No.com> wrote:

"Tim Wescott" <tim@wescottnospamdesign.com> wrote in message
news:10u30t54ccv3u71@corp.supernews.com...
I'll be delivering two presentations -- PID Without a PhD, and
Basic
Control Theory for Software Engineers. More details at
http://www.esconline.com/sf/index.htm.

This being the ESC, they've put the advanced class before the
prerequisite -- oh well.


Why do they always have the ESC in San Francisco?
I can't go there, and wouldn't if I could.

Why not? It's really a nice place.

The Anaheim Convention center site would be a better choice!
Or even Los Vegas!

Flat, boring, and sleazy both. But Disneyland is great if the lines
aren't too long, which they usually are. Los Vegas is The Sickest
Place on Earth.

John

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:29:43 GMT, "Clarence_A" <no@No.com> wrote:

"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in
message news:aob5u09ekca83t4m1lms926mir0cob14ig@4ax.com...
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:57:07 GMT, the renowned Al Clark
dsp@danvillesignal.com> wrote:

"Ron Huizen" <rhuizen@bittware.com> wrote in
news:10u5569ma9ae97c@corp.supernews.com:

"Clarence_A" <no@No.com> wrote in message
news:xQqEd.8982$wZ2.8772@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
Company will not pay for anything in the SF area, they say
it is
too expensive. They will pay in Anaheim or LV! I've even
been
allowed to book in Phoenix and Denver (Gun Barrel, CO). Just
NOT
SF!

No other explanation!


So you can't go to New York, Boston, Chicago, and any other
major
city? I don't find San Francisco any more expensive than any
of the
above, in fact I think I usually pay less in San Fran. I
usually use
Expedia or Hotels.com or some other discount broker, and
don't stay at
the conference hotels ...

----
Ron Huizen
BittWare



San Francisco is not necessarily more expensive than those
other cities,
if you avoid the big hotels downtown. One option is to find a
hotel near
CalTrain or Bart. These are the commuter rail services. You can
walk from
either to the convention center. I stay with family and do this
several
times a year. Don't rent a car, parking will kill you.

Air tickets are usually available at discount rates if you plan
ahead. I
pay from $200-$250 from Minneapolis.

He's in Orange County. It's a miserly $39 each way via Southwest
(Ontario <-> San Jose or Oakland) with 14 day advance purchase.

If I wanted to go, I would predetermine hotels and travel
options, and
then talk to the powers that be.

Yup. Sounds like a rather Dilbertian policy.

Unless a customer is paying, anything over 1,000 Miles is just not
considered. Price is not the issue, it's just policy.

BTW the last time I went to SF, it was an hour and a half each way
from SJ motel to the Conference, and if you drove Parking was so
far away you needed a bicycle to get to the hall.

Well, San Jose is about five cities away from SF, sort of like staying
in NYC for a conference in Boston. There are some cheap, fun places to
stay in SF out near the ocean, with just a couple of blocks of walking
to the streetcar on each end. And you can walk on the beach for a
break. Downtown is pretty much like any downtown, a
tourist/businessman ripoff.

SF does have great, cheap food and lots of stuff to do on the side.

John

 

[Clarence_A]

"Rich Grise" <richgrise@example.net> wrote in message
newsan.2005.01.11.23.37.30.996603@example.net...

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:58:26 -0800, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 03:17:46 GMT, "Clarence_A" <no@No.com
wrote:
"Tim Wescott" <tim@wescottnospamdesign.com> wrote in message
I'll be delivering two presentations -- PID Without a PhD,
and
Basic
Control Theory for Software Engineers. More details at
http://www.esconline.com/sf/index.htm.

This being the ESC, they've put the advanced class before
the
prerequisite -- oh well.

Why do they always have the ESC in San Francisco?
I can't go there, and wouldn't if I could.

Why not? It's really a nice place.

Too much hassle! Too many people, not all are even civil!

The Anaheim Convention center site would be a better choice!
Or even Los Vegas!

Flat, boring, and sleazy both. But Disneyland is great if the
lines
aren't too long, which they usually are. Los Vegas is The
Sickest
Place on Earth.

Matter of opinion. But I wasn't concerned with the stranding
attractions. Disneyland is always good, and if the lines are long,
"Fast pass" is an alternative.

Laughlin is awfully nice in comparison, but I don't know if they
have
convention halls there.

Only hotels and casinos, I think. Haven't had a reason to go
there!

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:46:26 -0600, Richard Owlett
<rowlett@atlascomm.net> wrote:

Clarence_A wrote:
"Tim Wescott" <tim@wescottnospamdesign.com> wrote in message
news:10u30t54ccv3u71@corp.supernews.com...

I'll be delivering two presentations -- PID Without a PhD, and

Basic

Control Theory for Software Engineers. More details at
http://www.esconline.com/sf/index.htm.

This being the ESC, they've put the advanced class before the
prerequisite -- oh well.



Why do they always have the ESC in San Francisco?
I can't go there, and wouldn't if I could.
The Anaheim Convention center site would be a better choice!
Or even Los Vegas!


Branson, MO a better choice.
More central location.
Better scenery.
Less traffic.
I'd only have to drive 1/2 hour

Why not Aspen?

John

 

[Everett M. Greene]

John Larkin <john@spamless.usa> writes:

Richard Owlett <rowlett@atlascomm.net> wrote:
Branson, MO a better choice.
More central location.
Better scenery.
Less traffic.
I'd only have to drive 1/2 hour

Why not Aspen?

Very good suggestion! There's plenty of parking for
your personal jet. Be very careful with the approach
if the weather is bad.

Don't have a personal jet? You can't afford Aspen.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:40:19 PST, mojaveg@mojaveg.iwvisp.com (Everett
M. Greene) wrote:

John Larkin <john@spamless.usa> writes:
Richard Owlett <rowlett@atlascomm.net> wrote:
Branson, MO a better choice.
More central location.
Better scenery.
Less traffic.
I'd only have to drive 1/2 hour

Why not Aspen?

Very good suggestion! There's plenty of parking for
your personal jet. Be very careful with the approach
if the weather is bad.

Don't have a personal jet? You can't afford Aspen.

Ever fly into Aspen? You take a ratty turboprop from Denver. On the
approach, you look out the windows of the plane and see solid rock
walls on both sides. Almost as much fun as Los Alamos, where the
runway ends at the end of the mesa.

John

 

[Jerry Avins]

John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:40:19 PST, mojaveg@mojaveg.iwvisp.com (Everett
M. Greene) wrote:


John Larkin <john@spamless.usa> writes:

Richard Owlett <rowlett@atlascomm.net> wrote:

Branson, MO a better choice.
More central location.
Better scenery.
Less traffic.
I'd only have to drive 1/2 hour

Why not Aspen?

Very good suggestion! There's plenty of parking for
your personal jet. Be very careful with the approach
if the weather is bad.

Don't have a personal jet? You can't afford Aspen.



Ever fly into Aspen? You take a ratty turboprop from Denver. On the
approach, you look out the windows of the plane and see solid rock
walls on both sides. Almost as much fun as Los Alamos, where the
runway ends at the end of the mesa.

John

My first view of the Tetons was flying into Jackson Hole. You head
straight into a granite block that towers a mile above the runway. At
what turns out in retrospect to have been a respectable distance, the
plane makes a hard right and runs parallel to it as it settles down.

Jerry
--
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[John Larkin]

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:35:50 -0600, Aubrey McIntosh
<spam@spam04.vima.austin.tx.us> wrote:

Clarence_A wrote:


Company will not pay for anything in the SF area, they say it is
too expensive. They will pay in Anaheim or LV! I've even been
allowed to book in Phoenix and Denver (Gun Barrel, CO). Just NOT
SF!

No other explanation!




When a conference was over in '93 I had my daughter come to SF and we
stayed a few extra days. The concierge at the conference hotel
recommended a place that was across the street from the old US Mint museum.

The cost differential was astonishing. The second place seemed to cater
to European tourist groups. It was a moderately old building (quaint)
but it worked out just great for us. Good but inexpensive on-site
restaurant, within a few blocks of the big conference hotels.

Perhaps someone in the area knows the name, if it is still open, other
basic recon.

One heads up though. A few of the other places that seemed to offer low
cost accomodations appeared to cater to men only.

I like to send people here:

http://www.hotelres.com/hoteltop.php?siteid=47&hnum=367

around $60,

or

http://www.sealrockinn.com/

about $140 for an ocean-view suite with a fireplace.

John

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:43:39 GMT, "Clarence_A" <no@No.com> wrote:

"John Larkin" wrote
Aubrey McIntosh wrote:
Clarence_A wrote:

Company will not pay for anything in the SF area, they say it
is
too expensive. They will pay in Anaheim or LV! I've even
been
allowed to book in Phoenix and Denver (Gun Barrel, CO). Just
NOT
SF!
No other explanation!

When a conference was over in '93 I had my daughter come to SF
and we
stayed a few extra days. The concierge at the conference hotel
recommended a place that was across the street from the old US
Mint museum.

The cost differential was astonishing. The second place seemed
to cater
to European tourist groups. It was a moderately old building
(quaint)
but it worked out just great for us. Good but inexpensive
on-site
restaurant, within a few blocks of the big conference hotels.

Perhaps someone in the area knows the name, if it is still
open, other
basic recon.

One heads up though. A few of the other places that seemed to
offer low
cost accommodations appeared to cater to men only.

I like to send people here:
http://www.hotelres.com/hoteltop.php?siteid=47&hnum=367
around $60,

I'll try this one.
Maybe I 'can' go if I can prove it isn't as expensive as they
think.



or
http://www.sealrockinn.com/
about $140 for an ocean-view suite with a fireplace.
John

It's clean but funky, like some small mom-and-pop motel you'd find in
a small town somewhere. There's a streetcar stop just in front, which
will take you downtown in a straight, but not too speedy, shot. It's
just 2 blocks from the ocean, and just behind the Sloat Garden Center
and a block from the famous Doggie Diner.

http://mistersf.com/new/index.html?newdoggie.htm


Call me if you feel like a beer.


John

 

[Clarence_A]

"Spehro Pefhany" wrote

"Clarence_A" wrote:
"Tim Wescott" wrote
I'll be delivering two presentations -- PID Without a PhD,
and
Basic
Control Theory for Software Engineers. More details at
http://www.esconline.com/sf/index.htm.

This being the ESC, they've put the advanced class before the
prerequisite -- oh well.

Why do they always have the ESC in San Francisco?
I can't go there, and wouldn't if I could.

Restraining order?

Company will not pay for anything in the SF area, they say it is
too expensive. They will pay in Anaheim or LV! I've even been
allowed to book in Phoenix and Denver (Gun Barrel, CO). Just NOT
SF!

No other explanation!