Sham "Training" Courses Sprout Like Weeds During Recessions

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Does anyone here know of anyone on newsgroups charging money for an
unaccredited "electronics training course?"

Sham "training courses" flourish during recessions. Desperate people
out of work make easy prey for an organized fraud scheme.

It's either a first or 2nd degree felony even in Florida.

One key giveaway of a training scam is their unsubstantiated claims of
"happy customers."

First contact the authorities to help prosecute to the full extent of
the law if you know of such a scam.

If you don't want to do that Email me at bretcahill@aol.com if you
have any documentation of payments for "training" that isn't
accredited.

Scan the documents and include them in a pdf or tiff file.

Back during the GHW Bush recession I forced a "training" scam into
filing under Chapt. 7.

I just invoked my right to free speech to expose the scam.

The Scammer was Terry Ottinger. He also touted many "happy
customers."


Bret Cahill
 
Bret_E_Cahill@yahoo.com wrote:
Does anyone here know of anyone on newsgroups charging money for an
unaccredited "electronics training course?"
[snip crap]
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Would you be insufficiently self-realized by visiting a library and
reading a textbook?

I just invoked my right to free speech to expose the scam.
[snip rest of crap]
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Wear clean undies when you do it.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
 
Does anyone here know of anyone on newsgroups charging money for an
unaccredited "electronics training course?"

[snip crap]
Click to expand...
[snip crap]

Wear clean undies when you do it.
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Are you selling soap or laundry services?


Bret Cahill
 
On Jan 1, 2:25 pm, Bret_E_Cah...@yahoo.com wrote:
Does anyone here know of anyone on newsgroups charging money for an
unaccredited "electronics training course?"

Sham "training courses" flourish during recessions.  Desperate people
out of work make easy prey for an organized fraud scheme.

It's either a first or 2nd degree felony even in Florida.

One key giveaway of a training scam is their unsubstantiated claims of
"happy customers."

First contact the authorities to help prosecute to the full extent of
the law if you know of such a scam.

If you don't want to do that Email me at bretcah...@aol.com if you
have any documentation of payments for "training" that isn't
accredited.

Scan the documents and include them in a pdf or tiff file.

Back during the GHW Bush recession I forced a "training" scam into
filing under Chapt. 7.

I just invoked my right to free speech to expose the scam.

The Scammer was Terry Ottinger.  He also touted many "happy
customers."

Bret Cahill
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NPR Morning Edition, September 26, 2008 ˇ

During the Great Depression, Americans flocked to the movies to escape
the harsh realities of their daily lives. As the stock market tumbled
and loved ones went off to war, Americans disappeared into dark
theaters, where Shirley Temple sang and tap danced her way into their
heavy hearts.

Now, as the nation faces arguably the worst financial crisis since the
Depression, video games may be playing the role movies once filled in
hard economic times.

During the 1930s, Americans could get their minds off their troubles
for just a nickel a night. Gary Handman, director of the Media
Resources Center at the University of California at Berkeley, says
Americans came to the theaters to see everything from melodramas, to
romances, to films bursting with song and dance.

"You got two features," Handman says. "Sometimes you got two features
and a news reel. And in the Depression, sometimes you got two features
and a news reel and a raffle for Depression-ware china."

More 'Bang For Your Buck'

Now, nearly 80 years later, Americans looking for a cheap way to
distract themselves from tough times aren't turning to theaters.
Though movie revenues are up slightly, the number of movie tickets
sold has remained fairly constant for the past decade.

By comparison, overall video game sales are up 43 percent from this
time in 2007. Since its release on Aug. 12, fans have purchased more
than 2 million copies of the football game Madden NFL 09, according to
the National Purchase Diary (NPD) Group.

David Riley of the NPD Group says part of the reason video game sales
are rising and movie ticket sales aren't is that a movie only lasts a
couple of hours — it gives you less "bang for your buck."

"The difference, obviously, between a movie and a video game is the
amount of time that you get," he says.

Gaming fans shopping recently at a Best Buy in San Francisco echoed
Riley's words; Malou Taylor says she's more likely to play a game than
go to a movie.

"I might as well use the money on a game that I can have for a longer
time," she says.

Another Night In

Though video games initially earned a bad rap for being something of a
loner activity, gaming has become an increasingly sociable event. Some
couples, like Benjamin Gerald and Char Williams, say they stay home
together and play.

"Last night, we spent, like, six hours," Gerald says. "Char was
playing the game, and I'm sitting on the couch next to her ... I'm
totally involved, even though I'm not even playing the thing."

Gerald says they do see movies, but they often rent DVDs to watch at
home rather than go out to the theater. Still, Handman remains
skeptical that games truly fill the same role that movies did during
the Depression.

"I don't think video games will ever be as demographically diverse as
the movies are or [as] movies were," he says.

There is no video game equivalent of Shirley Temple. With so many
varied options, it may be that there simply is no longer one
entertainment escape.

But if gas prices continue to rise, and more Americans are forced to
scrimp and pinch, nights at home with your family and the game console
will start looking better and better.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94884967
 
Does anyone here know of anyone on newsgroups charging money for an
unaccredited "electronics training course?"

Sham "training courses" flourish during recessions.  Desperate people
out of work make easy prey for an organized fraud scheme.

It's either a first or 2nd degree felony even in Florida.

One key giveaway of a training scam is their unsubstantiated claims of
"happy customers."

First contact the authorities to help prosecute to the full extent of
the law if you know of such a scam.

If you don't want to do that Email me at bretcah...@aol.com if you
have any documentation of payments for "training" that isn't
accredited.

Scan the documents and include them in a pdf or tiff file.

Back during the GHW Bush recession I forced a "training" scam into
filing under Chapt. 7.

I just invoked my right to free speech to expose the scam.

The Scammer was Terry Ottinger.  He also touted many "happy
customers."

Bret Cahill

NPR Morning Edition, September 26, 2008 ˇ

During the Great Depression, Americans flocked to the movies to escape
the harsh realities of their daily lives. As the stock market tumbled
and loved ones went off to war, Americans disappeared into dark
theaters, where Shirley Temple sang and tap danced her way into their
heavy hearts.

Now, as the nation faces arguably the worst financial crisis since the
Depression, video games may be playing the role movies once filled in
hard economic times.

During the 1930s, Americans could get their minds off their troubles
for just a nickel a night. Gary Handman, director of the Media
Resources Center at the University of California at Berkeley, says
Americans came to the theaters to see everything from melodramas, to
romances, to films bursting with song and dance.

"You got two features," Handman says. "Sometimes you got two features
and a news reel. And in the Depression, sometimes you got two features
and a news reel and a raffle for Depression-ware china."

More 'Bang For Your Buck'

Now, nearly 80 years later, Americans looking for a cheap way to
distract themselves from tough times aren't turning to theaters.
Though movie revenues are up slightly, the number of movie tickets
sold has remained fairly constant for the past decade.

By comparison, overall video game sales are up 43 percent from this
time in 2007. Since its release on Aug. 12, fans have purchased more
than 2 million copies of the football game Madden NFL 09, according to
the National Purchase Diary (NPD) Group.

David Riley of the NPD Group says part of the reason video game sales
are rising and movie ticket sales aren't is that a movie only lasts a
couple of hours — it gives you less "bang for your buck."

"The difference, obviously, between a movie and a video game is the
amount of time that you get," he says.

Gaming fans shopping recently at a Best Buy in San Francisco echoed
Riley's words; Malou Taylor says she's more likely to play a game than
go to a movie.

"I might as well use the money on a game that I can have for a longer
time," she says.

Another Night In

Though video games initially earned a bad rap for being something of a
loner activity, gaming has become an increasingly sociable event. Some
couples, like Benjamin Gerald and Char Williams, say they stay home
together and play.

"Last night, we spent, like, six hours," Gerald says. "Char was
playing the game, and I'm sitting on the couch next to her ... I'm
totally involved, even though I'm not even playing the thing."

Gerald says they do see movies, but they often rent DVDs to watch at
home rather than go out to the theater. Still, Handman remains
skeptical that games truly fill the same role that movies did during
the Depression.

"I don't think video games will ever be as demographically diverse as
the movies are or [as] movies were," he says.

There is no video game equivalent of Shirley Temple. With so many
varied options, it may be that there simply is no longer one
entertainment escape.

But if gas prices continue to rise, and more Americans are forced to
scrimp and pinch, nights at home with your family and the game console
will start looking better and better.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94884967- Hide quoted text -
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I can whup anyone here at Qix.


Bret Cahill
 
In article <689c4da1-4311-40d3-83f1-300b0e7fa6cf@
40g2000prx.googlegroups.com>, Bret_E_Cahill@yahoo.com says...>

Don't snip attributions.

But if gas prices continue to rise, and more Americans are
forced to
scrimp and pinch, nights at home with your family and the game console
will start looking better and better.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94884967- Hide quoted text -

I can whup anyone here at Qix.
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Yes, idiot savants are really good at something useless.
 
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 14:25:22 -0800, Bret_E_Cahill wrote:

Does anyone here know of anyone on newsgroups charging money for an
unaccredited "electronics training course?"
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Why? Planning on starting one? ;-)

Good Luck!
Rich
 
Does anyone here know of anyone on newsgroups charging money for an
unaccredited "electronics training course?"

Why?
Click to expand...
It's fun to put them out of business.

Back during the GHW Bush recession I forced a "training" scam into
filing under Chapt. 7.

I just invoked my right to free speech to expose the scam.

The Scammer was Terry Ottinger. He also touted many "happy
customers."


Bret Cahill
 
On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 08:56:27 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill
<BretCahill@aol.com> wrote:

Does anyone here know of anyone on newsgroups charging money for an
unaccredited "electronics training course?"

Why?

It's fun to put them out of business.

Back during the GHW Bush recession I forced a "training" scam into
filing under Chapt. 7.

I just invoked my right to free speech to expose the scam.
Click to expand...
---
Which is what all the rest of are doing WRT your claims of technical
acumen.
---

The Scammer was Terry Ottinger. He also touted many "happy
customers."
Click to expand...
Ergo, buffoon, anyone who claims to have many happy customers is a
scammer?

JF
 
On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 08:56:27 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill
<BretCahill@aol.com> wrote:

Does anyone here know of anyone on newsgroups charging money for an
unaccredited "electronics training course?"

Why?

It's fun to put them out of business.

Back during the GHW Bush recession I forced a "training" scam into
filing under Chapt. 7.
Click to expand...
Who cares?

I just invoked my right to free speech to expose the scam.
Click to expand...
"Invoked my right"? What a poseur.

The Scammer was Terry Ottinger. He also touted many "happy
customers."


Bret Cahill
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Does anyone here know of anyone on newsgroups charging money for an
unaccredited "electronics training course?"

Why?

It's fun to put them out of business.

Back during the GHW Bush recession I forced a "training" scam into
filing under Chapt. 7.

Who cares?
Click to expand...
Everyone who clicked on the thread entitled "Sham 'Training" Courses
Sprout . .."

Are you really that stoopid in real life or are you just pulling my
leg?

I just invoked my right to free speech to expose the scam.

"Invoked my right"? �What a poseur.
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Oh, _now_ ya done it.

Right now as we post, rightarded gun wackos in trailer parks
everywhere are oiling their AK-47s and fantasizing about "invoking
their Second Amendment right" to spree shoot the double wide.

If you must spree, please, try to spree local. Keep your carbon
footprint down.


Bret Cahill
 
Does anyone here know of anyone on newsgroups charging money for an
unaccredited "electronics training course?"

Why?

It's fun to put them out of business.

Back during the GHW Bush recession I forced a "training" scam into
filing under Chapt. 7.

I just invoked my right to free speech to expose the scam.

---
Which is what all the rest of are doing WRT your claims of technical
acumen.
Click to expand...
Cite?

I never said I was omniscient. Just that you dunces weren't any good
at faking a background in the thermo necessary to comment on my
threads.

The Scammer was Terry Ottinger. �He also touted many "happy
customers."

Ergo, buffoon, anyone who claims to have many happy customers is a
scammer?
Click to expand...
Not that you are even functional enough to scam anyone other than
yourself but anyone can go to the BBB to find out about a _real_
business.


Bret Cahill
 
On Jan 3, 11:36 am, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
Does anyone here know of anyone on newsgroups charging money for an
unaccredited "electronics training course?"

Why?

It's fun to put them out of business.

Back during the GHW Bush recession I forced a "training" scam into
filing under Chapt. 7.
Who cares?

Everyone who clicked on the thread entitled "Sham 'Training" Courses
Sprout . .."
Click to expand...
We here at Shambala Training have designed a
complete guide to using your computer, on DVD!
Do you have problems maintaining attributions in
your Usenet posts? Do you top post, or commit
a myriad other faux pas? Then you may need this
training. Just send $29.95 in small bills to
Shambala Training, and we'll teach you the in and
outs of not only Usenet etiquette, but also how to
find free porn? Just put the DVD in that coffee holder
on your PC and get set to blast off into the twenty-first
century.
 
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:32:26 -0800 (PST), Immortalist
<reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Jan 1, 2:25 pm, Bret_E_Cah...@yahoo.com wrote:
Does anyone here know of anyone on newsgroups charging money for an
unaccredited "electronics training course?"

Sham "training courses" flourish during recessions.  Desperate people
out of work make easy prey for an organized fraud scheme.

It's either a first or 2nd degree felony even in Florida.

One key giveaway of a training scam is their unsubstantiated claims of
"happy customers."

First contact the authorities to help prosecute to the full extent of
the law if you know of such a scam.

If you don't want to do that Email me at bretcah...@aol.com if you
have any documentation of payments for "training" that isn't
accredited.

Scan the documents and include them in a pdf or tiff file.

Back during the GHW Bush recession I forced a "training" scam into
filing under Chapt. 7.

I just invoked my right to free speech to expose the scam.

The Scammer was Terry Ottinger.  He also touted many "happy
customers."

Bret Cahill

NPR Morning Edition, September 26, 2008 ˇ

During the Great Depression, Americans flocked to the movies to escape
the harsh realities of their daily lives. As the stock market tumbled
and loved ones went off to war, Americans disappeared into dark
theaters, where Shirley Temple sang and tap danced her way into their
heavy hearts.

Now, as the nation faces arguably the worst financial crisis since the
Depression, video games may be playing the role movies once filled in
hard economic times.

During the 1930s, Americans could get their minds off their troubles
for just a nickel a night. Gary Handman, director of the Media
Resources Center at the University of California at Berkeley, says
Americans came to the theaters to see everything from melodramas, to
romances, to films bursting with song and dance.

"You got two features," Handman says. "Sometimes you got two features
and a news reel. And in the Depression, sometimes you got two features
and a news reel and a raffle for Depression-ware china."

More 'Bang For Your Buck'

Now, nearly 80 years later, Americans looking for a cheap way to
distract themselves from tough times aren't turning to theaters.
Though movie revenues are up slightly, the number of movie tickets
sold has remained fairly constant for the past decade.

By comparison, overall video game sales are up 43 percent from this
time in 2007. Since its release on Aug. 12, fans have purchased more
than 2 million copies of the football game Madden NFL 09, according to
the National Purchase Diary (NPD) Group.

David Riley of the NPD Group says part of the reason video game sales
are rising and movie ticket sales aren't is that a movie only lasts a
couple of hours — it gives you less "bang for your buck."

"The difference, obviously, between a movie and a video game is the
amount of time that you get," he says.

Gaming fans shopping recently at a Best Buy in San Francisco echoed
Riley's words; Malou Taylor says she's more likely to play a game than
go to a movie.

"I might as well use the money on a game that I can have for a longer
time," she says.

Another Night In

Though video games initially earned a bad rap for being something of a
loner activity, gaming has become an increasingly sociable event. Some
couples, like Benjamin Gerald and Char Williams, say they stay home
together and play.

"Last night, we spent, like, six hours," Gerald says. "Char was
playing the game, and I'm sitting on the couch next to her ... I'm
totally involved, even though I'm not even playing the thing."

Gerald says they do see movies, but they often rent DVDs to watch at
home rather than go out to the theater. Still, Handman remains
skeptical that games truly fill the same role that movies did during
the Depression.

"I don't think video games will ever be as demographically diverse as
the movies are or [as] movies were," he says.

There is no video game equivalent of Shirley Temple. With so many
varied options, it may be that there simply is no longer one
entertainment escape.

But if gas prices continue to rise, and more Americans are forced to
scrimp and pinch, nights at home with your family and the game console
will start looking better and better.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94884967
Click to expand...
Yet more copypasta and nothing about your philosophical point of view.
 
Bret_E_Cahill@yahoo.com wrote:
Does anyone here know of anyone on newsgroups charging money for an
unaccredited "electronics training course?"

Sham "training courses" flourish during recessions. Desperate people
out of work make easy prey for an organized fraud scheme.

It's either a first or 2nd degree felony even in Florida.

One key giveaway of a training scam is their unsubstantiated claims of
"happy customers."

First contact the authorities to help prosecute to the full extent of
the law if you know of such a scam.

If you don't want to do that Email me at bretcahill@aol.com if you
have any documentation of payments for "training" that isn't
accredited.

Scan the documents and include them in a pdf or tiff file.

Back during the GHW Bush recession I forced a "training" scam into
filing under Chapt. 7.

I just invoked my right to free speech to expose the scam.

The Scammer was Terry Ottinger. He also touted many "happy
customers."


Bret Cahill

Interesting, been laid off since Sept 08 and spend time during day
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watching these BS ad's on TV about electronics training, what's funny
is is HUGE letter it indicate 'CREDITS WILL NOT TRANSFER' which should
be a big red flag for everyone!
 
Does anyone here know of anyone on newsgroups charging money for an
unaccredited "electronics training course?"

Sham "training courses" flourish during recessions. �Desperate people
out of work make easy prey for an organized fraud scheme.

It's either a first or 2nd degree felony even in Florida.

One key giveaway of a training scam is their unsubstantiated claims of
"happy customers."

First contact the authorities to help prosecute to the full extent of
the law if you know of such a scam.

If you don't want to do that Email me at bretcah...@aol.com if you
have any documentation of payments for "training" that isn't
accredited.

Scan the documents and include them in a pdf or tiff file.

Back during the GHW Bush recession I forced a "training" scam into
filing under Chapt. 7.

I just invoked my right to free speech to expose the scam.

The Scammer was Terry Ottinger. �He also touted many "happy
customers."

Bret Cahill

Interesting, been laid off since Sept 08 and spend time during day
watching these BS ad's on TV about electronics training, what's funny
is is HUGE letter it indicate 'CREDITS WILL NOT TRANSFER' which should
be a big red flag for �everyone!
Click to expand...
All these scams need to thrive is for a certain percentage of people
to be desperate enough to toss common sense out the window.

Fear has the effect of shutting down the functioning of the mind.
That's why it is futile to try to discuss evolution with fundies. The
RRR thrives on economic fears and uncertainty.

But it's easy to put the scammers out of business. Just use free
speech to tip off the desperate people and the scammer will get really
upset. One scammer on sci.electronics.basics, threatened me with a
defamation lawsuit.

Like everything he else said, however, that was bs too.


Bret Cahill
 
Does anyone here know of anyone on newsgroups charging money for an
unaccredited "electronics training course?"

Why?

It's fun to put them out of business.

Back during the GHW Bush recession I forced a "training" scam into
filing under Chapt. 7.
Who cares?

Everyone who clicked on the thread entitled "Sham 'Training" Courses
Sprout . .."

We here at Shambala Training have designed a
complete guide to using your computer, on DVD!
Do you have problems maintaining attributions in
your Usenet posts? �Do you top post, or commit
a myriad other faux pas? �Then you may need this
training. �Just send $29.95 in small bills to
Shambala Training, and we'll teach you the in and
outs of not only Usenet etiquette, but also how to
find free porn? �Just put the DVD in that coffee holder
on your PC and get set to blast off into the twenty-first
century.
Click to expand...
You're good to go as a scammer assuming you aren't already scamming
the very frightened and very ignorant.

One of the scammers on sci.electronics.basics is adamantly against
cross posting. He knows folks on other tech groups will expose his
two bit scam.

He threatened me with a defamation action but I called his bluff.
Like everything else he says, it was pure bs.

The problem you scammers have is you cannot get very far in court
typing "LOL!"

Well, maybe you could get as far as the county jail but that's about
it.


Bret Cahill
 
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:54:48 -0800 (PST), shrikeback@gmail.com wrote:

On Jan 8, 8:14 am, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:
You're good to go as a scammer assuming you aren't already scamming
the very frightened and very ignorant.

Are you saying there's absolutely no way to
train you to post to Usenet according to the
local customs?
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---
Cahill isn't interested in posting to USENET in accordance with existing
or evolving netiquette, all he's interested in is exposure.

That is, publicity is publicity, whether it's good or bad and, if you
want fame so badly that you want your name to become a household word,
then you'll do whatever it takes to make that happen.

Cahill seems to be reaching for that brass ring as the Merry-Go-Round
goes round and round, but what's he going to do with it if he catches
it?

So far, it seems to me, his grasp of technology is weak and his goal is
self-oriented, so my guess would be that he'd take the money and run.

JF
 
On Jan 8, 8:14 am, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:
Does anyone here know of anyone on newsgroups charging money for an
unaccredited "electronics training course?"

Why?

It's fun to put them out of business.

Back during the GHW Bush recession I forced a "training" scam into
filing under Chapt. 7.
Who cares?

Everyone who clicked on the thread entitled "Sham 'Training" Courses
Sprout . .."

We here at Shambala Training have designed a
complete guide to using your computer, on DVD!
Do you have problems maintaining attributions in
your Usenet posts? Do you top post, or commit
a myriad other faux pas? Then you may need this
training. Just send $29.95 in small bills to
Shambala Training, and we'll teach you the in and
outs of not only Usenet etiquette, but also how to
find free porn? Just put the DVD in that coffee holder
on your PC and get set to blast off into the twenty-first
century.

You're good to go as a scammer assuming you aren't already scamming
the very frightened and very ignorant.
Click to expand...
Are you saying there's absolutely no way to
train you to post to Usenet according to the
local customs? If the idea of teaching you
to post properly is inherently a scam, what can
be taught to you, and why are you here on the
Internet, instead of playing with Play Dough(TM)
in the activity room, anyway?

AOL: for the rest of them.
 
On Jan 8, 8:25 pm, John Fields <jfie...@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:54:48 -0800 (PST), shrikeb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jan 8, 8:14 am, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:
You're good to go as a scammer assuming you aren't already scamming
the very frightened and very ignorant.

Are you saying there's absolutely no way to
train you to post to Usenet according to the
local customs?  

---
Cahill isn't interested in posting to USENET in accordance with existing
or evolving netiquette, all he's interested in is exposure.

That is, publicity is publicity, whether it's good or bad and, if you
want fame so badly that you want your name to become a household word,
then you'll do whatever it takes to make that happen.

Cahill seems to be reaching for that brass ring as the Merry-Go-Round
goes round and round, but what's he going to do with it if he catches
it?

So far, it seems to me, his grasp of technology is weak and his goal is
self-oriented, so my guess would be that he'd take the money and run.

JF  
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Bret Cahill appears to be a retarded usenet weirdo troll in my
opinion.

"An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who
posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in
an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room,
with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response
or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
 
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