Seek mains strobe to give warning flashes [ot]

On second thought, scratch that laser idea. There are as many ways to get
that disastrously wrong, as right, and I doubt it would ever be approved
for use in a work place.
 
In message <iBHah.20593$uj6.19812@edtnps89>, Homer J Simpson
<nobody@nowhere.com> writes
"Jonno" <jon@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns98889129C72EF17E53A@127.0.0.1...


Is it possible to get a self-contained strobe light which plugs directly
into this switched mains socket but is small like a self-contained night
light?

Did you try a Radio Shack one?

Radio shack ?

We have cheap tat in the UK, but not that bad

Septic -> Brit translation - Maplins

--
geoff
 
"raden" <raden@kateda.org> wrote in message
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Did you try a Radio Shack one?

Radio shack ?

We have cheap tat in the UK, but not that bad

Septic -> Brit translation - Maplins
ISTR Tandy being easier to find.
 
In message <cT2bh.701$YV4.677@edtnps89>, Homer J Simpson
<nobody@nowhere.com> writes
"raden" <raden@kateda.org> wrote in message
news:Gy099HiWELbFFwE1@ntlworld.com...

Did you try a Radio Shack one?

Radio shack ?

We have cheap tat in the UK, but not that bad

Septic -> Brit translation - Maplins

ISTR Tandy being easier to find.

I thought that Tandy (being radioshack UK ) ceased to exist years ago

if not, why not and ... where are they ?

--
geoff
 
raden wrote...
I thought that Tandy (being radioshack UK ) ceased to exist years ago

if not, why not and ... where are they ?
Bought out by Carphone Warehouse AFAIK. One of our local branches is still
in the old Tandy premises. According to the manager, CPW did have a plan to
use the Tandy brand name and he did tell me what it was but it was so
earth-shatteringly exciting that I've completely forgotten what he said!
;-)

David
 
"David Lee" <davidlee_malvern@dont.use.this.bit.hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:vvadnSFhOq0BQPHYnZ2dnUVZ8s2dnZ2d@eclipse.net.uk...

Bought out by Carphone Warehouse AFAIK. One of our local branches is
still in the old Tandy premises. According to the manager, CPW did have a
plan to use the Tandy brand name and he did tell me what it was but it was
so earth-shatteringly exciting that I've completely forgotten what he
said!
In Canada, Intertan became "The Source" by Circuit City. In Australia, Dick
Smith bought them out.

Now Radio Shack is trying to move back into Canada and compete with its old
self.
 
On 28 Nov 2006, Lostgallifreyan <no-one@nowhere.net> wrote:

The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> wrote in
news:1164710632.9335.0@proxy02.news.clara.net:

Victor Roberts wrote:
On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:16:12 GMT, Jonno <jon@nomail.com
wrote:

I am in the UK.

I have some security equipment installed which will switch on
the mains power for about one second to a standard mains socket
which is built into the equipment.

Is it possible to get a self-contained strobe light which plugs
directly into this switched mains socket but is small like a
self-contained night light?

Something like these in size and fitting:
http://www.onestepahead.com/images/product/Detail_Main/12882_
1.jp
g
http://www.upper-mills.co.uk/ekmps/shops/uppermills/images/21-
08.
jpg http://www.choiceful.com/prod_image/51542_x.jpg

The idea is to use the strobe to give a visible warning indoors.
I would need the strobe to start up very soon after it receives
mains power.

I have seen strobes like that in the US that are used with
fire alarm systems. They are no larger than the ones in
your first two links. I don't know how soon the begin to
flash after power is applied.


The first thing anyone used to build when they started electronics
used to be a neon flasher.

You need a 400v rectifier diode (IN4007?)rectifier, a capacitor
and a resistor and a neon.

Put the rectifier and the resistor in series with the capacitor (
100v or greater electrolytic +ve to the bar on the rectifier
diode), and put the neon across the capacitor as well.

Then connect the whole lot across the mains. Flash period is not
far off resistor in megohms x capacitor in uF..

Modifying a neon equipped socket should be relatively trivial.



The first thing anyone used to do when answering posts is to read
them first. Did you really think a guy who found a 500 watt halogen
inadequate was going to be satisfied with a flashing neon lamp??
As I am the OP, I would say that you are right: a neon is not likely
to be able to cut it. Nor is a flashing LED.

However I have heard of LED strobes with about 20 or so LEDs but I am
not sure what their light output is. However I can't easily imagine
the LED strobe puts out any more than a small fraction of the xenon
strobe.



Granted, the principle IS the same. Thing is, if you want a fast
charge to get a xenon lamp flashing within a small fraction of a
second with similar repeat interval, you'll need a fairly low
resistance to get current into your capacitor fast. That could mean
a loss of 10 watts in that resistor, so fitting that into a tiny
enclosure safely is a no-no. You either need a bigger unit with
good ventillation, OR a small sealed unit that won't start or run
at high speed and high energy, you're going to have to compromise
at some point.

One possibility is to use a high speed AND high power for fast
response, but if you do this in a small container that uses a
single second's worth of power supply to get several fast hard
flashes done in that second, you'll need to put a timer in there to
force it to shut down after that secone even if power is still
applied, and you'll want to back that up with a thermal cutout too
for safety.
 
In sci.engr.lighting Jonno <no@no-email.com> wrote:
On 27 Nov 2006, Graham W <graham@his.com.puter.INVALID> wrote:

Those devices to which you have provided a link are night-lights NOT
strobes.

Yes that's right. I'm looking for a strobe which plugs into the mains,
"small like a self-contained night light. ... Something like these in
What about relaxing the startup requirement - plugging it in somewhere
else, and using the connection simply for a trigger?
 
The message <456dfa60$0$8751$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>
from Ian Stirling <root@mauve.demon.co.uk> contains these words:

What about relaxing the startup requirement - plugging it in somewhere
else, and using the connection simply for a trigger?
Or use the mains pulse to ignite a small pyrotechnic device?

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
 
The message <456dfa60$0$8751$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net
from Ian Stirling <root@mauve.demon.co.uk> contains these words:

What about relaxing the startup requirement - plugging it in
somewhere else, and using the connection simply for a trigger?

On 29 Nov 2006, Guy King <guy.king@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
Or use the mains pulse to ignite a small pyrotechnic device?

A flare should be bright enough ...

http://images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/521/359342.jpg
 
Jonno wrote:
I am in the UK.

I have some security equipment installed which will switch on the mains
power for about one second to a standard mains socket which is built
into the equipment.

Is it possible to get a self-contained strobe light which plugs directly
into this switched mains socket but is small like a self-contained night
light?

Something like these in size and fitting:
http://www.onestepahead.com/images/product/Detail_Main/12882_1.jpg
http://www.upper-mills.co.uk/ekmps/shops/uppermills/images/21-08.jpg
http://www.choiceful.com/prod_image/51542_x.jpg

The idea is to use the strobe to give a visible warning indoors. I
would need the strobe to start up very soon after it receives mains
power.
I think I would agree with the consensus of the opinions here that the
requirement is almost unique and hence is unlikely to be met by
something off the shelf.

One thing that has surprised me is that none of the suggestions have
looked at powering the strobe from it's own power source and using the
mains power pulse as just a trigger. The battery driven remote
photographic flashes come to mind - at around Ł10 a time these look
like a good starting point.

How to trigger - this may well be where the rub comes in because I
suspect a bit of electronic modification would be required, either to
do some sort of direct coupling or to adjust their sensitivity such
that they would fire with the flash from an ordinary bulb. Perhaps
someone could explore this idea further.

Rob
 
In uk.d-i-y jonno <no@no-email.com> wrote:
The message <456dfa60$0$8751$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net
from Ian Stirling <root@mauve.demon.co.uk> contains these words:

What about relaxing the startup requirement - plugging it in
somewhere else, and using the connection simply for a trigger?


On 29 Nov 2006, Guy King <guy.king@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

Or use the mains pulse to ignite a small pyrotechnic device?



A flare should be bright enough ...

http://images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/521/359342.jpg
http://www.pyrotechniques.org/dwilliams/clarksgiant/clarksgiant.html
 
In message <45705ab6$0$8732$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>, Ian
Stirling <root@mauve.demon.co.uk> writes
In uk.d-i-y jonno <no@no-email.com> wrote:
The message <456dfa60$0$8751$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net
from Ian Stirling <root@mauve.demon.co.uk> contains these words:

What about relaxing the startup requirement - plugging it in
somewhere else, and using the connection simply for a trigger?


On 29 Nov 2006, Guy King <guy.king@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

Or use the mains pulse to ignite a small pyrotechnic device?



A flare should be bright enough ...

http://images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/521/359342.jpg

http://www.pyrotechniques.org/dwilliams/clarksgiant/clarksgiant.html
Or my old chemistry master ...

http://www.kimboltonfireworks.co.uk/display_pages/displays_homepage.htm

--
geoff
 
Jonno wrote:
The idea is to use the strobe to give a visible warning indoors. I
would need the strobe to start up very soon after it receives mains
power.
One of the rotating lamps (like you get on top of commercial vehicles)
might do you.

Or have a word with the RNID (www.rnid.org.uk, 0808 808 0123). They do
a variety of visual warning devices.

--

rgds
LAurence

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