Sayonara, Eagle

[Phil Hobbs]

On 01/21/2017 04:41 PM, Robert Roland wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 13:06:54 -0500, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

Sayonara, Eagle.

So, where do we go now?

I have already installed KiCad and have started reading the Getting
Started page.

Are there any other alternatives worth looking at in the KiCad price
range?

I just posted this to the cadsoft forum (via Element14):

We have a three-seat license to Eagle 6 Pro, but with this latest snafu
we've switched to Diptrace. Wasn't that hard. (As a matter of fact we
made the decision at the time of the Autodesk purchase, because we were
pretty sure they'd do something like this. Otherwise we'd have bought
Eagle 7 Pro.)

Diptrace has ASCII import/export. It also supplies Eagle ULPs that
export Eagle schematics, boards, *and libraries*.

One drawback of Diptrace is that it isn't directly scriptable. We've
made a lot of Python scripts that hack up Diptrace's ASCII files, so
instead of running a ULP as in Eagle, you export stuff, run a Python
script on it, and import it again. The ULPs that Diptrace supplies are
good sample code for how to do that.

We thought of switching to KiCad, but our layout person much prefers
Diptrace.

So there's life after Eagle. A pity that Autodesk screwed the pooch
like this--we'd certainly have stayed with Eagle otherwise.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

 

Ihate to be so late and botttom posting with a simple question here but... :

Won't the old version keep on working without updates and so forth ? I mean, you can get an old XP box for a song and a dance and just keep it offline, don't even tell it what time it is. (you know what I mean) Are the output files compatible ?

Actually as revenge I would like to get all users of such software together and completely boycott the business straight out of business, but you have these files of course.

Or maybe just bomb their corporate headquarters. They will think the democrats did it these days, with all their antics. Actually with these assholes I would take in the Muslims but send all the democrats the fuck outta here. At least we can see them and know where to aim.

bottom line though, corporations are people and we are not. they own us, and everything we have. We own nothing because property cannot own property.

You bought the program. You paid for the updates. Well I got Office 97 Pro, and when Bill the asshole Gates decides to change the file format again, like he did right before 97, YOU will have to find a way to read my files should you ever have the desire to do so. I am not giving that asshole one thin dime and not one penny of my money is going to vaccinate people who will not use a rubber or stop fucking long enough to grow some food and feed themselves.

Actually i am waiting for Rhinocerous ad Solidworx to do the same, but their clientele might have the guile to just happen (my one buddy does) to have an old XP box that doesn't get online. Whatever runs now will run forever.

Remember hardware keys ? People beat them.

And if anyone wants to take up with the software vendors I got this much to say :

DID MY FUCKING MONEY EXPIRE ?

 

[George Herold]

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 8:14:44 AM UTC-5, jurb...@gmail.com wrote:

Ihate to be so late and botttom posting with a simple question here but.... :

Won't the old version keep on working without updates and so forth ? I mean, you can get an old XP box for a song and a dance and just keep it offline, don't even tell it what time it is. (you know what I mean) Are the output files compatible ?

Right, We still have three copies of Eagle (4.17.. old) they still run on
my Win 7 machine so for the time being it's OK. At some point in the future it's
not going to work...

George H.

Actually as revenge I would like to get all users of such software together and completely boycott the business straight out of business, but you have these files of course.

Or maybe just bomb their corporate headquarters. They will think the democrats did it these days, with all their antics. Actually with these assholes I would take in the Muslims but send all the democrats the fuck outta here. At least we can see them and know where to aim.

bottom line though, corporations are people and we are not. they own us, and everything we have. We own nothing because property cannot own property..

You bought the program. You paid for the updates. Well I got Office 97 Pro, and when Bill the asshole Gates decides to change the file format again, like he did right before 97, YOU will have to find a way to read my files should you ever have the desire to do so. I am not giving that asshole one thin dime and not one penny of my money is going to vaccinate people who will not use a rubber or stop fucking long enough to grow some food and feed themselves.

Actually i am waiting for Rhinocerous ad Solidworx to do the same, but their clientele might have the guile to just happen (my one buddy does) to have an old XP box that doesn't get online. Whatever runs now will run forever.

Remember hardware keys ? People beat them.

And if anyone wants to take up with the software vendors I got this much to say :

DID MY FUCKING MONEY EXPIRE ?

 

[George Herold]

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 9:54:27 AM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 02/03/2017 09:34 AM, George Herold wrote:
On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 8:14:44 AM UTC-5, jurb...@gmail.com wrote:
Ihate to be so late and botttom posting with a simple question here but... :

Won't the old version keep on working without updates and so forth ? I mean, you can get an old XP box for a song and a dance and just keep it offline, don't even tell it what time it is. (you know what I mean) Are the output files compatible ?

Right, We still have three copies of Eagle (4.17.. old) they still run on
my Win 7 machine so for the time being it's OK. At some point in the future it's
not going to work...

George H.


Make a Win 7 VM and you can run it as long as X86 systems exist.

Right, I'm running a Win XP VM now so that I can still access all the old
software files that didn't transfer to Win 7. But I'm not much of a computer
guy and there always seems to be something a little funky... The 'puter will
"zone out" as it goes looking to load some file or something. And I worry
it will go belly up some day.. and that will cost either my time or money.

(I've got some old Qucik basic programs that I still run for data analysis,
and such. I'm too lazy to rewrite 'em.)

George H.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 02/03/2017 09:34 AM, George Herold wrote:

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 8:14:44 AM UTC-5, jurb...@gmail.com wrote:
Ihate to be so late and botttom posting with a simple question here but... :

Won't the old version keep on working without updates and so forth ? I mean, you can get an old XP box for a song and a dance and just keep it offline, don't even tell it what time it is. (you know what I mean) Are the output files compatible ?

Right, We still have three copies of Eagle (4.17.. old) they still run on
my Win 7 machine so for the time being it's OK. At some point in the future it's
not going to work...

George H.

Make a Win 7 VM and you can run it as long as X86 systems exist.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Phil Hobbs wrote:

So, I got an email from Autodesk announcing that Eagle is now
software-as-a-service, with the pro version renting for $65 per month
per seat.

Sayonara, Eagle.

Has anyone tried the free software that Mouser is offering?

http://www.mouser.com/MultiSimBlue/


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