Sayonara, Eagle

[Phil Hobbs]

So, I got an email from Autodesk announcing that Eagle is now
software-as-a-service, with the pro version renting for $65 per month
per seat.

Sayonara, Eagle.

Too bad.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

 

[Tim Wescott]

On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 13:06:54 -0500, Phil Hobbs wrote:

So, I got an email from Autodesk announcing that Eagle is now
software-as-a-service, with the pro version renting for $65 per month
per seat.

Sayonara, Eagle.

Too bad.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

I switched over to KiCad a couple of years ago, because of Eagle's
exponential increase in per-seat prices.

It's -- professional. Basic, but professional. It lacks some of the
bells and whistles, and I don't think it supports constant-impedance
traces, paired traces, or matched-length traces -- but if you don't need
that stuff it's no-muss, no-fuss.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

I'm looking for work -- see my website!

 

[Martin Riddle]

On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 16:17:27 -0600, Tim Wescott
<seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 13:06:54 -0500, Phil Hobbs wrote:

So, I got an email from Autodesk announcing that Eagle is now
software-as-a-service, with the pro version renting for $65 per month
per seat.

Sayonara, Eagle.

Too bad.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

I switched over to KiCad a couple of years ago, because of Eagle's
exponential increase in per-seat prices.

It's -- professional. Basic, but professional. It lacks some of the
bells and whistles, and I don't think it supports constant-impedance
traces, paired traces, or matched-length traces -- but if you don't need
that stuff it's no-muss, no-fuss.

I see the latest version touts Diff pairs. I'm sure you'll see more
feature additions in the future.

Cheers

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 16:17:27 -0600, Tim Wescott
<seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 13:06:54 -0500, Phil Hobbs wrote:

So, I got an email from Autodesk announcing that Eagle is now
software-as-a-service, with the pro version renting for $65 per month
per seat.

Sayonara, Eagle.

Too bad.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

I switched over to KiCad a couple of years ago, because of Eagle's
exponential increase in per-seat prices.

It's -- professional. Basic, but professional. It lacks some of the
bells and whistles, and I don't think it supports constant-impedance
traces, paired traces, or matched-length traces -- but if you don't need
that stuff it's no-muss, no-fuss.

It's easy to do that stuff yourself.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

 

[o pere o]

On 19/01/17 23:17, Tim Wescott wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 13:06:54 -0500, Phil Hobbs wrote:

So, I got an email from Autodesk announcing that Eagle is now
software-as-a-service, with the pro version renting for $65 per month
per seat.

Sayonara, Eagle.

Too bad.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

I switched over to KiCad a couple of years ago, because of Eagle's
exponential increase in per-seat prices.

It's -- professional. Basic, but professional. It lacks some of the
bells and whistles, and I don't think it supports constant-impedance
traces, paired traces, or matched-length traces -- but if you don't need
that stuff it's no-muss, no-fuss.

Same here. Using KiCad with no significant problems for a couple of
years. It has a learning curve (which one doesn't?) but does what I need.

Pere

 

[George Herold]

On Friday, January 20, 2017 at 9:28:31 AM UTC-5, Baron wrote:

Phil Hobbs prodded the keyboard with:

So, I got an email from Autodesk announcing that Eagle is now
software-as-a-service, with the pro version renting for $65 per
month per seat.

Sayonara, Eagle.

Too bad.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

There is a right kerfuffle going on, on "news.cadsoft.de" over
Autodesk's acquisition of Eagle and the changes to the business
model. I don't think Autodesk thought it through or understood what
they bought.

Hmm that link sends me to Autodesk... after a brief diversion through cadsoft.

George H.

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

 

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 20/1/2017 2:06 AM, Phil Hobbs wrote:

So, I got an email from Autodesk announcing that Eagle is now
software-as-a-service, with the pro version renting for $65 per month
per seat.

3D printers should have boosted the sales of all CAD/CAM software?

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[Baron]

Phil Hobbs prodded the keyboard with:

So, I got an email from Autodesk announcing that Eagle is now
software-as-a-service, with the pro version renting for $65 per
month per seat.

Sayonara, Eagle.

Too bad.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

There is a right kerfuffle going on, on "news.cadsoft.de" over
Autodesk's acquisition of Eagle and the changes to the business
model. I don't think Autodesk thought it through or understood what
they bought.


--
Best Regards:
Baron.

 

[Baron]

George Herold prodded the keyboard with:

On Friday, January 20, 2017 at 9:28:31 AM UTC-5, Baron wrote:
Phil Hobbs prodded the keyboard with:

So, I got an email from Autodesk announcing that Eagle is now
software-as-a-service, with the pro version renting for $65 per
month per seat.

Sayonara, Eagle.

Too bad.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

There is a right kerfuffle going on, on "news.cadsoft.de" over
Autodesk's acquisition of Eagle and the changes to the business
model. I don't think Autodesk thought it through or understood
what they bought.

Hmm that link sends me to Autodesk... after a brief diversion
through cadsoft.

George H.

Sorry about that.

I download eagle.userchat.eng and eagle.support.eng in Knode via
news.cadsoft.de

I had no idea that it was redirecting to Autodesk.

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

 

[Martin Riddle]

On Fri, 20 Jan 2017 07:05:40 -0800 (PST), George Herold
<gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:

On Friday, January 20, 2017 at 9:28:31 AM UTC-5, Baron wrote:
Phil Hobbs prodded the keyboard with:

So, I got an email from Autodesk announcing that Eagle is now
software-as-a-service, with the pro version renting for $65 per
month per seat.

Sayonara, Eagle.

Too bad.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

There is a right kerfuffle going on, on "news.cadsoft.de" over
Autodesk's acquisition of Eagle and the changes to the business
model. I don't think Autodesk thought it through or understood what
they bought.

Hmm that link sends me to Autodesk... after a brief diversion through cadsoft.

George H.


--
Best Regards:
Baron.

nntp://news.cadsoft.de/eagle.userchat.eng/17255
or
https://www.element14.com/community/message/213345

Cheers

 

[Tim Wescott]

On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 20:05:40 -0800, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 16:17:27 -0600, Tim Wescott
seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 13:06:54 -0500, Phil Hobbs wrote:

So, I got an email from Autodesk announcing that Eagle is now
software-as-a-service, with the pro version renting for $65 per month
per seat.

Sayonara, Eagle.

Too bad.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

I switched over to KiCad a couple of years ago, because of Eagle's
exponential increase in per-seat prices.

It's -- professional. Basic, but professional. It lacks some of the
bells and whistles, and I don't think it supports constant-impedance
traces, paired traces, or matched-length traces -- but if you don't need
that stuff it's no-muss, no-fuss.

It's easy to do that stuff yourself.

Yes. My impression from working with Mentor tools (as a circuit
designer, but talking to the layout guys) was that it's a useful thing if
you use it all the time -- otherwise it's easier to just do it by hand.

I don't know if KiCAD will have figured out how to make it easier: I
suspect not; sophisticated tools have complicated interfaces, because
some human still needs to explain the situation to them.

--
Tim Wescott
Control systems, embedded software and circuit design
I'm looking for work! See my website if you're interested
http://www.wescottdesign.com

 

[Robert Roland]

On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 13:06:54 -0500, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

>Sayonara, Eagle.

So, where do we go now?

I have already installed KiCad and have started reading the Getting
Started page.

Are there any other alternatives worth looking at in the KiCad price
range?
--
RoRo

 

[Tim Wescott]

On Sat, 21 Jan 2017 22:41:49 +0100, Robert Roland wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 13:06:54 -0500, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

Sayonara, Eagle.

So, where do we go now?

I have already installed KiCad and have started reading the Getting
Started page.

Are there any other alternatives worth looking at in the KiCad price
range?

I looked around several years ago and didn't find much. Everything else
seemed to be abandoned senior projects or toys. KiCad is actually used
by Cern to make boards for the LHC and other applied physics experiments,
so it counts as serious in my book.

If KiCad gets lots of serious attention, though, it may end up being fork-
fodder in the grand open-source tradition.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

I'm looking for work -- see my website!

 

[Yngve]

On Sat, 21 Jan 2017 22:41:49 +0100, sipping burgundy and listening to
Mahler,
Robert Roland <fake@ddress.no> wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 13:06:54 -0500, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

Sayonara, Eagle.

So, where do we go now?

I have already installed KiCad and have started reading the Getting
Started page.

Are there any other alternatives worth looking at in the KiCad price
range?

I used PCB Elegance many years ago and found it very good. It was at a
stage kicad is now. I switched because it got damaged and I didn't
wish to shell out for the update.

Looking it up I found it's now open source, free to download:
<http://www.pcbelegance.org/>

 

[George Herold]

On Saturday, January 21, 2017 at 4:41:51 PM UTC-5, Robert Roland wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 13:06:54 -0500, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

Sayonara, Eagle.

So, where do we go now?

I have already installed KiCad and have started reading the Getting
Started page.

Are there any other alternatives worth looking at in the KiCad price
range?
--
RoRo

We had a guy who used gEDA, but my understanding (from guys here or SED)
is that KiCad has a bigger user community... more active.
http://pcb.geda-project.org/

George H.

 

[George Herold]

On Saturday, January 21, 2017 at 5:33:15 PM UTC-5, Tim Wescott wrote:

On Sat, 21 Jan 2017 22:41:49 +0100, Robert Roland wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 13:06:54 -0500, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

Sayonara, Eagle.

So, where do we go now?

I have already installed KiCad and have started reading the Getting
Started page.

Are there any other alternatives worth looking at in the KiCad price
range?

I looked around several years ago and didn't find much. Everything else
seemed to be abandoned senior projects or toys. KiCad is actually used
by Cern to make boards for the LHC and other applied physics experiments,
so it counts as serious in my book.

If KiCad gets lots of serious attention, though, it may end up being fork-
fodder in the grand open-source tradition.

Hi Tim, What do you mean by fork fodder?

George H.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

I'm looking for work -- see my website!

 

[Tim Wescott]

On Mon, 23 Jan 2017 05:55:51 -0800, George Herold wrote:

On Saturday, January 21, 2017 at 5:33:15 PM UTC-5, Tim Wescott wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jan 2017 22:41:49 +0100, Robert Roland wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 13:06:54 -0500, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

Sayonara, Eagle.

So, where do we go now?

I have already installed KiCad and have started reading the Getting
Started page.

Are there any other alternatives worth looking at in the KiCad price
range?

I looked around several years ago and didn't find much. Everything
else seemed to be abandoned senior projects or toys. KiCad is actually
used by Cern to make boards for the LHC and other applied physics
experiments, so it counts as serious in my book.

If KiCad gets lots of serious attention, though, it may end up being
fork-
fodder in the grand open-source tradition.

Hi Tim, What do you mean by fork fodder?

In the open source world, when you want to build a better mousetrap you
often do it by taking the source code from someone else's mousetrap and
tinkering with it to add the features, fix the bugs, or do whatever the
improvements were that you saw needed done to their thing.

Then, one of three things likely happens: they see your work, like it,
and absorb it into their product; or, they see your work, hate it, and
you abandon it. Finally, they see your work and hate it, but you
organize your own open-source project around their work -- which you can
freely do, because it's open source.

That last action is called a "fork". As in "LibreOffice is a fork of
Sun's OpenOffice that insures that it will remain open source even after
Oracle's purchase of Sun".

--
Tim Wescott
Control systems, embedded software and circuit design
I'm looking for work! See my website if you're interested
http://www.wescottdesign.com

 

[George Herold]

On Monday, January 23, 2017 at 4:44:11 PM UTC-5, Tim Wescott wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jan 2017 05:55:51 -0800, George Herold wrote:

On Saturday, January 21, 2017 at 5:33:15 PM UTC-5, Tim Wescott wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jan 2017 22:41:49 +0100, Robert Roland wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 13:06:54 -0500, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

Sayonara, Eagle.

So, where do we go now?

I have already installed KiCad and have started reading the Getting
Started page.

Are there any other alternatives worth looking at in the KiCad price
range?

I looked around several years ago and didn't find much. Everything
else seemed to be abandoned senior projects or toys. KiCad is actually
used by Cern to make boards for the LHC and other applied physics
experiments, so it counts as serious in my book.

If KiCad gets lots of serious attention, though, it may end up being
fork-
fodder in the grand open-source tradition.

Hi Tim, What do you mean by fork fodder?

In the open source world, when you want to build a better mousetrap you
often do it by taking the source code from someone else's mousetrap and
tinkering with it to add the features, fix the bugs, or do whatever the
improvements were that you saw needed done to their thing.

Then, one of three things likely happens: they see your work, like it,
and absorb it into their product; or, they see your work, hate it, and
you abandon it. Finally, they see your work and hate it, but you
organize your own open-source project around their work -- which you can
freely do, because it's open source.

That last action is called a "fork". As in "LibreOffice is a fork of
Sun's OpenOffice that insures that it will remain open source even after
Oracle's purchase of Sun".

Ahh... thanks Tim. So fork fodder is good... in that I'll have another option.

George h.

--
Tim Wescott
Control systems, embedded software and circuit design
I'm looking for work! See my website if you're interested
http://www.wescottdesign.com

 

[Tim Wescott]

On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 05:53:04 -0800, George Herold wrote:

On Monday, January 23, 2017 at 4:44:11 PM UTC-5, Tim Wescott wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2017 05:55:51 -0800, George Herold wrote:

On Saturday, January 21, 2017 at 5:33:15 PM UTC-5, Tim Wescott wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jan 2017 22:41:49 +0100, Robert Roland wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 13:06:54 -0500, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

Sayonara, Eagle.

So, where do we go now?

I have already installed KiCad and have started reading the
Getting Started page.

Are there any other alternatives worth looking at in the KiCad
price range?

I looked around several years ago and didn't find much. Everything
else seemed to be abandoned senior projects or toys. KiCad is
actually used by Cern to make boards for the LHC and other applied
physics experiments, so it counts as serious in my book.

If KiCad gets lots of serious attention, though, it may end up being
fork-
fodder in the grand open-source tradition.

Hi Tim, What do you mean by fork fodder?

In the open source world, when you want to build a better mousetrap you
often do it by taking the source code from someone else's mousetrap and
tinkering with it to add the features, fix the bugs, or do whatever the
improvements were that you saw needed done to their thing.

Then, one of three things likely happens: they see your work, like it,
and absorb it into their product; or, they see your work, hate it, and
you abandon it. Finally, they see your work and hate it, but you
organize your own open-source project around their work -- which you
can freely do, because it's open source.

That last action is called a "fork". As in "LibreOffice is a fork of
Sun's OpenOffice that insures that it will remain open source even
after Oracle's purchase of Sun".

Ahh... thanks Tim. So fork fodder is good... in that I'll have another
option.

Forks can be good, forks can be bad. Usually it means that the
application has legs, though.

--
Tim Wescott
Control systems, embedded software and circuit design
I'm looking for work! See my website if you're interested
http://www.wescottdesign.com

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 01/24/2017 08:53 AM, George Herold wrote:

On Monday, January 23, 2017 at 4:44:11 PM UTC-5, Tim Wescott wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2017 05:55:51 -0800, George Herold wrote:

On Saturday, January 21, 2017 at 5:33:15 PM UTC-5, Tim Wescott wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jan 2017 22:41:49 +0100, Robert Roland wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 13:06:54 -0500, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

Sayonara, Eagle.

So, where do we go now?

I have already installed KiCad and have started reading the Getting
Started page.

Are there any other alternatives worth looking at in the KiCad price
range?

I looked around several years ago and didn't find much. Everything
else seemed to be abandoned senior projects or toys. KiCad is actually
used by Cern to make boards for the LHC and other applied physics
experiments, so it counts as serious in my book.

If KiCad gets lots of serious attention, though, it may end up being
fork-
fodder in the grand open-source tradition.

Hi Tim, What do you mean by fork fodder?

In the open source world, when you want to build a better mousetrap you
often do it by taking the source code from someone else's mousetrap and
tinkering with it to add the features, fix the bugs, or do whatever the
improvements were that you saw needed done to their thing.

Then, one of three things likely happens: they see your work, like it,
and absorb it into their product; or, they see your work, hate it, and
you abandon it. Finally, they see your work and hate it, but you
organize your own open-source project around their work -- which you can
freely do, because it's open source.

That last action is called a "fork". As in "LibreOffice is a fork of
Sun's OpenOffice that insures that it will remain open source even after
Oracle's purchase of Sun".

Ahh... thanks Tim. So fork fodder is good... in that I'll have another option.

George h.

As opposed to "stick a fork in it, it's done."

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net