Salt Will Kill You...

[Don Y]

On 2/6/2022 2:06 PM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:

On 2/6/2022 22:42, Don Y wrote:

For nearly 4 years now I am cycling instead, used to cycle once or
twice a week downtown to visit (35-40 km round trip). But I also did
cycle for the sake of cycling alone a few times. When the weather
allows it I cycle to shop for food, some 10km round trip.

That\'s just a tiny bit farther than my walking limit. I find 4-5
miles to be about right -- 60-75 minutes of exercise per day.

This is plenty if you do it on a daily basis of course. Or even every
other day.

I find it easier to do it daily as \"skipping a day\" too easily
morphs into \"skipping a FEW days\", etc.

But, if I don\'t need to travel to the post office, grocer, library,
etc. (i.e., \"long jaunts\"), I break the activity into smaller chunks
that I can get past with minimal distraction.

E.g., after harvesting the lemons, I made a dozen 10 minute trips
through the neighborhood to deliver the fruit -- one bag at a time.

You can, also, deliberately increase the amount of walking that you
need to do to complete a task. E.g., parking far from the entrance
of a store so you have to walk farther to get to it. Or, walking
up the stairs instead of taking the elevator (though I find I am
winded after five flights if wearing a mask -- it just doesn\'t let
enough air in to keep up with my climb rate)

And quite recently I stumbled across the same effect in the kitchen....
while making the morning coffee (2 cups espresso). There are two
pauses of 1-2 minutes each while the water heats up in the maker;
I was just bouncing because I felt cold (my morning shower has
been with cold water for 30+ years and the kitchen is cold during
the winter). And there it was, the effect was there again.
It looks like it is not about the exercise but about the shakeup
the head gets.... Some of the bugs inside it must be falling in
place I suppose .

If you shake your head and folks NEAR you say \"what\'s that noise\"...

Or may be not so near me, must ask the neighbours...

But the effect seems real, it is worth a try.

I rely on the cadence in music instead of anything \"loose\" inside!
I\'ve noticed a very definite difference between the types of music
I listen to when coming up with a solution vs. the music when I
am *implementing* a solution. And, different preferences for
*how* that is consumed -- headphones vs. open-air (the latter being
a problem after SWMBO has retired for the evening!)

I prefer closing my eyes so I\'m not distracted by other things in
my visual field (I\'m a \"visual thinker\"; if my eyes are open, I
won\'t \"see\" what\'s in front of me in deference to the thought process
that is monopolizing my conscious mind)

 

[amdx]

On 2/5/2022 3:05 PM, Mike Monett wrote:

Stop Eating Salt.

The reason I avoid sodium is because I recently had seven strokes.

These cost me the vision in my left eye, made my right hand so numb I could
not pick up a spoon to eat my food, and cost me the use of my legs. I
cannot walk.

All this is because ordinary sodium causes water retention and high blood
pressure which leads to strokes. I did not know this at the time, and only
found out long afterwards.
stakes.

 More to the point, you should monitor your blood pressure.

Some folks are more sensitive to salt intake.

I didn\'t read that you said, you had high blood pressure, did you?

If you did, it should have been treated.

So, now that we all have our BP in check, it\'s the high fructose that is
causing

much of society health problems.

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[Don Y]

On 2/7/2022 7:48 AM, amdx wrote:

On 2/5/2022 3:05 PM, Mike Monett wrote:
Stop Eating Salt.

The reason I avoid sodium is because I recently had seven strokes.

These cost me the vision in my left eye, made my right hand so numb I could
not pick up a spoon to eat my food, and cost me the use of my legs. I
cannot walk.

All this is because ordinary sodium causes water retention and high blood
pressure which leads to strokes. I did not know this at the time, and only
found out long afterwards.
stakes.

More to the point, you should monitor your blood pressure.

Some folks are more sensitive to salt intake.

I didn\'t read that you said, you had high blood pressure, did you?
If you did, it should have been treated.

So, now that we all have our BP in check, it\'s the high fructose that is causing
much of society health problems.

I\'d probably rank lack of physical activity as the bigger problem.

I\'ve been alarmed to see many \"old folks\" who consider lifting *one*
pound weights to be \"exercise\"! If *that* is taxing, then \"12 oz curls\"
are out of the question!! :<

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 07/02/22 17:06, Don Y wrote:

I\'ve been alarmed to see many \"old folks\" who consider lifting *one*
pound weights to be \"exercise\"!  If *that* is taxing, then \"12 oz curls\"
are out of the question!!  :

For too many, lifting themselves is taxing.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 4:05:49 PM UTC-5, Mike Monett wrote:

Stop Eating Salt.

The reason I avoid sodium is because I recently had seven strokes.

These cost me the vision in my left eye, made my right hand so numb I could
not pick up a spoon to eat my food, and cost me the use of my legs. I
cannot walk.

All this is because ordinary sodium causes water retention and high blood
pressure which leads to strokes. I did not know this at the time, and only
found out long afterwards.

Switch To Potassium

Potassium chloride doesn\'t cause the high blood pressure and bloat from
water retention of sodium.

If I had known about potassium chloride, I would have avoided these
problems.

Potassium has the same taste as sodium, but it is much stronger so you
won\'t use as much. The body has a narrower tolerance for potassium, but
since you won\'t use as much you will always stay below the Recommended
Daily Allowance.

Windsor Salt Free is Potassium Chloride

You can get Windsor Salt Free in many grocery stores and on Amazon, but try
to avoid Amazon since they charge double. I pay CAD$7.45 here in Midland,
Ontario. Here is a picture from Windsor Salt:

https://tinyurl.com/2p8md52c

Yes, it is more expensive than regular salt, but it lasts a long time since
you won\'t use as much. I average about 1 gram per day, so a 311 gram
container will last me almost a year. You might use a bit more, but you can
probably afford it.

Get a Blood Pressure Monitor

You can get an inexpensive blood pressure monitor at most health stores and
Amazon. Get the type that straps on your upper arm instead of around your
wrist. They all work the same way by listening for the ultrasonic whistle
as your blood vessel is squeezed shut. There is always some variability in
the readings, and between different models. Get one that is durable and
easy to use, and watch for the trends as you change your diet and exercise
habits.

Check With Your Doctor

Check with your doctor about switching to potassium, but be skeptical if he
recommends you stay on sodium or wants you to take different pills. Get a
second opinion, especially if he has not been monitoring your blood
pressure. Make up your own mind.

Exercise

It is easy to get caught up in a demanding LTspice simulation or a tricky
piece of code. But it is also killing you. Your body needs exercise. Get a
plain kitchen timer, and go for a walk every hour or so. Without Fail. It
is so easy to put off. Don\'t do that. A brief walk will often leave room
for an idea that my unlock the puzzle.

Live Longer and Happier

These small changes will help you be more productive and live longer. You
will be grateful you made them as you grow older and watch your friends die
from heart attacks.

I have just passed my 80th birthday. I have had strokes, but I survived.
There is no need for you to repeat my mistakes.

Chronic stress will do it too. Were you high strung?

https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/understanding-the-stress-response

 

[Don Y]

On 2/7/2022 10:15 AM, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 07/02/22 17:06, Don Y wrote:
I\'ve been alarmed to see many \"old folks\" who consider lifting *one*
pound weights to be \"exercise\"! If *that* is taxing, then \"12 oz curls\"
are out of the question!! :

For too many, lifting themselves is taxing.

Sadly, yes. I wonder how those folks don\'t \"notice\" the
(developing) problem? It\'s not like you need any sort
of expensive lab tests to diagnose (beyond a bathroom scale!)

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 13:13:59 -0700, Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid>
wrote:

On 2/7/2022 10:15 AM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 07/02/22 17:06, Don Y wrote:
I\'ve been alarmed to see many \"old folks\" who consider lifting *one*
pound weights to be \"exercise\"! If *that* is taxing, then \"12 oz curls\"
are out of the question!! :

For too many, lifting themselves is taxing.

Sadly, yes. I wonder how those folks don\'t \"notice\" the
(developing) problem? It\'s not like you need any sort
of expensive lab tests to diagnose (beyond a bathroom scale!)

Clicking a mouse all day is hardly aerobic.

I at least get up and draw or solder once in a while, but we need real
exercize to keep our bodies and brains working.

I worry about kids who sit in front of screens (loaded with violence)
all day. Really, games and movies are mostly guns and sadism and
blood.

I wonder if that Baldwin idiot will keep shooting guns in movies. I
think he was asked and didn\'t reply.







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but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

 

[Mike Monett]

Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote:

> Stop Eating Salt.

Heart Disease and Stroke Statistics - At-a-Glance
(some sections omitted)

Here are a few key statistics about heart disease, stroke, other
cardiovascular diseases and their risk factors.

The source for the health statistics is the association\'s 2015 Heart
Disease and Stroke Statistics Update, which is compiled annually by
the American Heart Association, the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention, the National Institutes of Health and other government
sources.

Heart Disease, Stroke and other Cardiovascular Diseases

þ Cardiovascular disease is the leading global cause of death,
accounting for 17.3 million deaths per year, a number that is
expected to grow to more than 23.6 million by 2030.

þ In 2008, cardiovascular deaths represented 30 percent of all
global deaths, with 80 percent of those deaths taking place in low-
and middle-income countries.

þ Nearly 787,000 people in the US died from heart disease, stroke
and other cardiovascular diseases in 2011. That\'s about one of every
three deaths in America.

þ About 2,150 Americans die each day from these diseases, one every
40 seconds.

þ Cardiovascular diseases claim more lives than all forms of cancer
combined.

þ About 85.6 million Americans are living with some form of
cardiovascular disease or the after-effects of stroke.

þ Direct and indirect costs of cardiovascular diseases and stroke
total more than $320.1 billion. That includes health expenditures
and lost productivity.

þ Nearly half of all African-American adults have some form of
cardiovascular disease, 48 percent of women and 46 percent of men.

þ Heart disease is the No. 1 cause of death in the world and the
leading cause of death in the United States, killing over 375,000
Americans a year.

þ Heart disease accounts for 1 in 7 deaths in the US

þ Someone in the US dies from heart disease about once every 90
seconds.

Heart Disease

þ From 2001 to 2011, the death rate from heart disease has fallen
about 39 percent - but the burden and risk factors remain alarmingly
high.

þ Heart disease strikes someone in the US about once every 43
seconds.

þ Heart disease is the No. 1 cause of death in the United States,
killing over 375,000 people a year.

þ Heart disease is the No. 1 killer of women, taking more lives than
all forms of cancer combined.

þ Over 39,000 African-Americans died from heart disease in 2011.

þ Cardiovascular operations and procedures increased about 28
percent from 2000 to 2010, according to federal data, totaling about
7.6 million in 2010.

þ About 735,000 people in the US have heart attacks each year. Of
those, about 120,000 die.

þ About 635,000 people in the US have a first-time heart attack each
year, and about 300,000 have recurrent heart attacks.

Stroke

þ In 2010, worldwide prevalence of stroke was 33 million, with 16.9
million people having a first stroke. Stroke was the second-leading
global cause of death behind heart disease, accounting for 11.13% of
total deaths worldwide.

þ Stroke is the No. 5 cause of death in the United States, killing
nearly 129,000 people a year.

þ Stroke kills someone in the US about once every four minutes.

þ African-Americans have nearly twice the risk for a first-ever
stroke than white people, and a much higher death rate from stroke.

þ Over the past 10 years, the death rate from stroke has fallen
about 35 percent and the number of stroke deaths has dropped about
21 percent.

þ About 795,000 people have a stroke every year.

þ Someone in the US has a stroke about once every 40 seconds.

þ Stroke causes 1 of every 20 deaths in the US

þ Stroke is a leading cause of disability.

þ Stroke is the leading preventable cause of disability.

Healthy Diet

þ Less than 1 percent of US adults meet the American Heart
Association\'s definition for \"Ideal Healthy Diet.\" Essentially no
children meet the definition.

OF THE 5 COMPONENTS OF A HEALTHY DIET, REDUCING SODIUM AND
INCREASING WHOLE GRAINS ARE THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES.

High Blood Pressure

þ About 80 million US adults have high blood pressure. That\'s about
33 percent. About 77 percent of those are using antihypertensive
medication, but only 54 of those have their condition controlled.

þ About 69 percent of people who have a first heart attack, 77
percent of people who have a first stroke and 74 percent who have
congestive heart failure have blood pressure higher than 140/90 mm
Hg.

þ Nearly half of people with high blood pressure (46 percent) do not
have it under control.

https://www.heart.org/idc/groups/ahamah-public/@wcm/@sop/
@smd/documents/downloadable/ucm_470704.pdf

 

[Don Y]

On 2/8/2022 12:20 PM, Mike Monett wrote:

Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote:

Stop Eating Salt.

Heart Disease and Stroke Statistics - At-a-Glance
(some sections omitted)

Here are a few key statistics about heart disease, stroke, other
cardiovascular diseases and their risk factors.

And you know the interesting thing about these sorts of things?
\"Solve\" <leading-cause-of-death> and some other <cause> pops
up to take its place!

My MD has a delightful chart in his office that shows the top
~10 causes of death in the US. It\'s arranged in a cute little
graphic spiral (to make it more engaging than a simple table
would be -- presentation is important!).

Starting at the tail of the spiral, you read each greater source of
death as you spiral in towards the center.

Where it says: \"100%\"

I.e., you can jockey for position (e.g., covid wasn\'t on the list
3 years ago) but the final outcome is unchanged.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Fixx>

There are no guarantees (ask Jim!). You have to balance \"responsible
behavior\" with just how much you want that behavior to intrude on your
lifestyle.

[I took my afternoon walk, yesterday, in a very cool, windy out-of-doors.
My allergies were upset by this as well as my overall comfort level.
How much did that bit of exercise \"help\" me?]

 

[Rick C]

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 2:37:15 PM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:

And you know the interesting thing about these sorts of things?
\"Solve\" <leading-cause-of-death> and some other <cause> pops
up to take its place!

LOL! That is one of the most ignorant things I\'ve seen anyone post here, and that includes everything from Larkin (although there may be some Larkin lulus that I didn\'t read)!

By the very definition of \"leading cause of death\" if you cure it whatever was the number two cause of death becomes the leading cause.

I suppose this is the same sort of thinking that says we don\'t need to worry about Covid because most of the people who die from it were going to die anyway... yeah, 100% of them.

WTF???

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[server]

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:2cea9e5d-b08e-48f5-9adf-6ae6a6940cfbn@googlegroups.com:

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 2:37:15 PM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:

And you know the interesting thing about these sorts of things?
\"Solve\" <leading-cause-of-death> and some other <cause> pops
up to take its place!

LOL! That is one of the most ignorant things I\'ve seen anyone
post here, and that includes everything from Larkin (although
there may be some Larkin lulus that I didn\'t read)!

By the very definition of \"leading cause of death\" if you cure it
whatever was the number two cause of death becomes the leading
cause.

I suppose this is the same sort of thinking that says we don\'t
need to worry about Covid because most of the people who die from
it were going to die anyway... yeah, 100% of them.

WTF???

\"The leading cause of death in women is heart disease.\"

They base those declarations on statistical fact. Not manipulated
stats... REAL STATS.

 

[Mike Monett]

Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote:

Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> wrote:

Stop Eating Salt.

[...]

https://www.heart.org/idc/groups/ahamah-public/@wcm/@sop/
@smd/documents/downloadable/ucm_470704.pdf

The link doesn\'t wrap well. Here is the TinyURL:
https://tinyurl.com/2p8885kj

I want to show the incredible effect that sodium has on the body.

Before I switched to Windsor Salt Free, my feet were so swollen I could
hardly put my shoes on. They wouldn\'t fit. They were too small, even though
they were the largest I could find.

After switching to Salt Free, see the difference:

https://tinyurl.com/2es68jeu

Imagine what salt was doing inside the body.

Salt will kill you.

 

[Rick C]

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 6:00:54 PM UTC-5, Mike Monett wrote:

Mike Monett <spa...@not.com> wrote:

Mike Monett <spa...@not.com> wrote:

Stop Eating Salt.

[...]

https://www.heart.org/idc/groups/ahamah-public/@wcm/@sop/
@smd/documents/downloadable/ucm_470704.pdf

The link doesn\'t wrap well. Here is the TinyURL:
https://tinyurl.com/2p8885kj

I want to show the incredible effect that sodium has on the body.

Before I switched to Windsor Salt Free, my feet were so swollen I could
hardly put my shoes on. They wouldn\'t fit. They were too small, even though
they were the largest I could find.

After switching to Salt Free, see the difference:

https://tinyurl.com/2es68jeu

Imagine what salt was doing inside the body.

Salt will kill you.

It may well kill you. You clearly have some condition that prevents your body from excreting sodium, very likely something with your kidneys. That is what is going to kill you, not the sodium. Has your doctor checked your kidney function? There are other issues that may cause similar problems. I\'m surprised your investigation into your issues and salt did not turn up any of this. No?

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[Tom Gardner]

On 08/02/22 23:00, Mike Monett wrote:

Imagine what salt was doing inside the body.

Salt will kill you.

Don\'t \"imagine\". Understand.

Lack of salt will kill you too.

Not everybody has the same metabolism not diet. Global
statements are untrustworthy.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 10:00:54 AM UTC+11, Mike Monett wrote:

Mike Monett <spa...@not.com> wrote:

Mike Monett <spa...@not.com> wrote:

Stop Eating Salt.

[...]

https://www.heart.org/idc/groups/ahamah-public/@wcm/@sop/
@smd/documents/downloadable/ucm_470704.pdf

The link doesn\'t wrap well. Here is the TinyURL:
https://tinyurl.com/2p8885kj

I want to show the incredible effect that sodium has on the body.

Before I switched to Windsor Salt Free, my feet were so swollen I could
hardly put my shoes on. They wouldn\'t fit. They were too small, even though
they were the largest I could find.

After switching to Salt Free, see the difference:

https://tinyurl.com/2es68jeu

Imagine what salt was doing inside the body.

Salt will kill you.

Salt can kill you, like any number of other things taken to excess.

What nearly killed you was high blood pressure, which should have been treated a lot earlier than yours was. Eating too much salt can contribute, but so can a careless choice of ancestors.

Your doctor has a lot drugs that can be used to reduce high blood pressure - I now take three different ones, a beta blocker. an ACE inhibitor and a Calcium blocker - and the combination does the trick. If my genome were different, the treatments would need to match that.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Don Y]

On 2/8/2022 4:36 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 08/02/22 23:00, Mike Monett wrote:
Imagine what salt was doing inside the body.

Salt will kill you.

Don\'t \"imagine\". Understand.

Lack of salt will kill you too.

Not everybody has the same metabolism not diet. Global
statements are untrustworthy.

The OP hasn\'t told us what other factors may have contributed
to his problems. Hard to imagine his only \"failing\" was
a certain preference for salt on (in!) his foods!

Has he ever smoked or lived/worked in an environment where
smoking was common?

Did he eat a \"healthy diet\" (excepting the sodium intake)?
Avoid fats? Red meats? Avoid processed foods?

Get plenty of exercise? (while wearing sun protection?)

Avoid all nasty industrial chemicals or toxins?

If you look at the issues that have contributed to longer
lifespan (at the level of a society), \"reducing sodium\"
isn\'t even on the charts! Better sanitation, controls
on food quality, infectious diseases, vaccinations,
medications, clean water, air quality, workplace
factors, etc.

[My other half\'s mom had dangerously high blood pressure
for most of her life (160+ mm/Hg). Despite medication
to \"control\" it. She eventually died of kidney disease.
At 95.]

Cut out the salt (even potassium chloride as it is harmful
to kidneys and heart), avoid the fats, get plenty of exercise,
etc. -- and you\'re still not going to do much to increase the
lifespan of a society. You\'ll just change the relative weights
of the issues that eventually take those lives.

[Make sure we ban guns, cars, anti-vaxers, meat products,
any medication that can have \"harmful side effects\", medical
errors, smoking, all activities that can lead to injury, ...]