Salt Will Kill You...

[Mike Monett]

Stop Eating Salt.

The reason I avoid sodium is because I recently had seven strokes.

These cost me the vision in my left eye, made my right hand so numb I could
not pick up a spoon to eat my food, and cost me the use of my legs. I
cannot walk.

All this is because ordinary sodium causes water retention and high blood
pressure which leads to strokes. I did not know this at the time, and only
found out long afterwards.

Switch To Potassium

Potassium chloride doesn\'t cause the high blood pressure and bloat from
water retention of sodium.

If I had known about potassium chloride, I would have avoided these
problems.

Potassium has the same taste as sodium, but it is much stronger so you
won\'t use as much. The body has a narrower tolerance for potassium, but
since you won\'t use as much you will always stay below the Recommended
Daily Allowance.

Windsor Salt Free is Potassium Chloride

You can get Windsor Salt Free in many grocery stores and on Amazon, but try
to avoid Amazon since they charge double. I pay CAD$7.45 here in Midland,
Ontario. Here is a picture from Windsor Salt:

https://tinyurl.com/2p8md52c

Yes, it is more expensive than regular salt, but it lasts a long time since
you won\'t use as much. I average about 1 gram per day, so a 311 gram
container will last me almost a year. You might use a bit more, but you can
probably afford it.

Get a Blood Pressure Monitor

You can get an inexpensive blood pressure monitor at most health stores and
Amazon. Get the type that straps on your upper arm instead of around your
wrist. They all work the same way by listening for the ultrasonic whistle
as your blood vessel is squeezed shut. There is always some variability in
the readings, and between different models. Get one that is durable and
easy to use, and watch for the trends as you change your diet and exercise
habits.

Check With Your Doctor

Check with your doctor about switching to potassium, but be skeptical if he
recommends you stay on sodium or wants you to take different pills. Get a
second opinion, especially if he has not been monitoring your blood
pressure. Make up your own mind.

Exercise

It is easy to get caught up in a demanding LTspice simulation or a tricky
piece of code. But it is also killing you. Your body needs exercise. Get a
plain kitchen timer, and go for a walk every hour or so. Without Fail. It
is so easy to put off. Don\'t do that. A brief walk will often leave room
for an idea that my unlock the puzzle.

Live Longer and Happier

These small changes will help you be more productive and live longer. You
will be grateful you made them as you grow older and watch your friends die
from heart attacks.

I have just passed my 80th birthday. I have had strokes, but I survived.
There is no need for you to repeat my mistakes.

 

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <XnsAE35A3B8B2E0Didtokenpost@144.76.35.252>, spamme@not.com
says...

Stop Eating Salt.

The reason I avoid sodium is because I recently had seven strokes.

These cost me the vision in my left eye, made my right hand so numb I could
not pick up a spoon to eat my food, and cost me the use of my legs. I
cannot walk.

All this is because ordinary sodium causes water retention and high blood
pressure which leads to strokes. I did not know this at the time, and only
found out long afterwards.

Switch To Potassium

Potassium chloride doesn\'t cause the high blood pressure and bloat from
water retention of sodium.

If I had known about potassium chloride, I would have avoided these
problems.

A certain amount of sodium is needed. Not having enough salt in the
food put my wife in the hospital for several days. She was acting real
funny like a drunk and does not drink. Now she takes a salt pill every
day to keep the sodium level up and blood tests show the sodium level
slightly on the low side of normal but still in the normal range.

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

lørdag den 5. februar 2022 kl. 22.05.49 UTC+1 skrev Mike Monett:

Stop Eating Salt.

The reason I avoid sodium is because I recently had seven strokes.

These cost me the vision in my left eye, made my right hand so numb I could
not pick up a spoon to eat my food, and cost me the use of my legs. I
cannot walk.

All this is because ordinary sodium causes water retention and high blood
pressure which leads to strokes. I did not know this at the time, and only
found out long afterwards.

only if you get large amounts or have other health issues.
The body needs sodium for function

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 13:25:02 -0800 (PST), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

lørdag den 5. februar 2022 kl. 22.05.49 UTC+1 skrev Mike Monett:
Stop Eating Salt.

The reason I avoid sodium is because I recently had seven strokes.

These cost me the vision in my left eye, made my right hand so numb I could
not pick up a spoon to eat my food, and cost me the use of my legs. I
cannot walk.

All this is because ordinary sodium causes water retention and high blood
pressure which leads to strokes. I did not know this at the time, and only
found out long afterwards.


only if you get large amounts or have other health issues.
The body needs sodium for function

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/310447#Risks-of-high-salt-intake-only-found-in-people-with-hypertension

\"Published in The Lancet, the study found that low salt, or sodium,
intake may raise the risk of heart attack, stroke, and death, compared
with an average salt intake.\"

But there are multiple conflicting studies.

A banana a day is good for potassium, and reduces cramps.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc trk

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
\"Bunter\", he said, \"I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason\"

 

[Don Y]

On 2/5/2022 2:05 PM, Mike Monett wrote:

Switch To Potassium

Potassium chloride doesn\'t cause the high blood pressure and bloat from
water retention of sodium.

Potassium isn\'t a panacea. It can interfere with the normal function
of your heart. It\'s also contraindicated for folks with kidney
problems. E.g., replacing a sodium-based water softener with
one driven by potassium just changes the source of the problem.

Sodium is a problem because so many processed foods *add* sodium
to your diet. A slice of white bread may contain 150mg of sodium.
So, 300mg for a sandwich. Not counting any sodium in the condiments
applied or the contents of the sandwich. The RDA for sodium is
~2300mg -- about a teaspoon! FOR THE WHOLE DAY!

Salted popcorn? Ha! Add salt to ANY of your foods? Tsk tsk...

Here (hard water), the sodium from the water softener is equivalent
to ~100 mg of sodium PER QUART of water consumed. Given the amount
of water you are expected to consume in a day (~16C), that\'s 400mg
before you EAT anything.

If you\'re not carefully reading labels, you\'re likely getting too
much (of whatever).

 

[Rick C]

On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 4:13:52 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote:

In article <XnsAE35A3B8B2...@144.76.35.252>, spa...@not.com
says...

Stop Eating Salt.

The reason I avoid sodium is because I recently had seven strokes.

These cost me the vision in my left eye, made my right hand so numb I could
not pick up a spoon to eat my food, and cost me the use of my legs. I
cannot walk.

All this is because ordinary sodium causes water retention and high blood
pressure which leads to strokes. I did not know this at the time, and only
found out long afterwards.

Switch To Potassium

Potassium chloride doesn\'t cause the high blood pressure and bloat from
water retention of sodium.

If I had known about potassium chloride, I would have avoided these
problems.


A certain amount of sodium is needed. Not having enough salt in the
food put my wife in the hospital for several days. She was acting real
funny like a drunk and does not drink. Now she takes a salt pill every
day to keep the sodium level up and blood tests show the sodium level
slightly on the low side of normal but still in the normal range.

Your wife has a disease that probably causes her to excrete sodium too quickly rather than retain some of it. My aunt had that and instead of giving her sodium, they restricted her fluids. She was basically hooked on cokes, so probably her anguish was as much about wanting the caffeine as much as anything. Hyponatremia is the name for the condition and it has many causes.

Hypernatremia is too much sodium in the blood. It is typically caused by eating too much salt or not drinking enough water. I\'m sure once you\'ve had a stroke, you don\'t want to mess around with your blood pressure, but mostly this can be managed by diet control. In addition to drinking fluids, eating food high in potassium helps to eliminate sodium from the body, greens, greens, beans, nuts, dairy foods. Pretty much anything that isn\'t processed is low in sodium. So eat less processed food and drink plenty of water.... as if we haven\'t heard that a million times.

--

Rick C.

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[Rick C]

On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 4:25:09 PM UTC-5, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:

lørdag den 5. februar 2022 kl. 22.05.49 UTC+1 skrev Mike Monett:
Stop Eating Salt.

The reason I avoid sodium is because I recently had seven strokes.

These cost me the vision in my left eye, made my right hand so numb I could
not pick up a spoon to eat my food, and cost me the use of my legs. I
cannot walk.

All this is because ordinary sodium causes water retention and high blood
pressure which leads to strokes. I did not know this at the time, and only
found out long afterwards.

only if you get large amounts or have other health issues.
The body needs sodium for function

Yes, but it needs more potassium which many people don\'t consume enough of. It is very unusual for anyone in modern society to be eating too little sodium.

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Rick C]

On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 6:23:41 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 13:25:02 -0800 (PST), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:

lørdag den 5. februar 2022 kl. 22.05.49 UTC+1 skrev Mike Monett:
Stop Eating Salt.

The reason I avoid sodium is because I recently had seven strokes.

These cost me the vision in my left eye, made my right hand so numb I could
not pick up a spoon to eat my food, and cost me the use of my legs. I
cannot walk.

All this is because ordinary sodium causes water retention and high blood
pressure which leads to strokes. I did not know this at the time, and only
found out long afterwards.


only if you get large amounts or have other health issues.
The body needs sodium for function
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/310447#Risks-of-high-salt-intake-only-found-in-people-with-hypertension

\"Published in The Lancet, the study found that low salt, or sodium,
intake may raise the risk of heart attack, stroke, and death, compared
with an average salt intake.\"

But there are multiple conflicting studies.

A banana a day is good for potassium, and reduces cramps.

Eating bananas is good for potassium, but it will only help with cramps if they are caused by low potassium. There are many bodily imbalances that will cause cramps. One is excessive or unusual exercise.

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <49f0a4a3-6167-4398-b8c9-947470165db1n@googlegroups.com>,
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com says...

Eating bananas is good for potassium, but it will only help with cramps if they are caused by low potassium. There are many bodily imbalances that will cause cramps. One is excessive or unusual exercise.

My wife had cramps in her feet at night. After taking salt pills they
quit and her sodium level is normal now.

 

[bitrex]

On 2/5/22 18:40, Don Y wrote:

On 2/5/2022 2:05 PM, Mike Monett wrote:
Switch To Potassium

Potassium chloride doesn\'t cause the high blood pressure and bloat from
water retention of sodium.

Potassium isn\'t a panacea.  It can interfere with the normal function
of your heart.  It\'s also contraindicated for folks with kidney
problems.  E.g., replacing a sodium-based water softener with
one driven by potassium just changes the source of the problem.

Sodium is a problem because so many processed foods *add* sodium
to your diet.  A slice of white bread may contain 150mg of sodium.
So, 300mg for a sandwich.  Not counting any sodium in the condiments
applied or the contents of the sandwich.  The RDA for sodium is
~2300mg -- about a teaspoon!  FOR THE WHOLE DAY!

Salted popcorn?  Ha!  Add salt to ANY of your foods?   Tsk tsk...

Here (hard water), the sodium from the water softener is equivalent
to ~100 mg of sodium PER QUART of water consumed.  Given the amount
of water you are expected to consume in a day (~16C), that\'s 400mg
before you EAT anything.

If you\'re not carefully reading labels, you\'re likely getting too
much (of whatever).

It\'s pretty hard to get too little sodium eating food you don\'t prepare
yourself. Or just eating anything, pretty much...I have high BP that\'s
probably in part genetic and I\'ve been eating a low-sodium diet for
several years now and I\'m just early 40s, it does make in-person
shopping more difficult because most pre-packaged stuff has a stupid
amount.

Most of those TV dinners have absurd amounts, I don\'t always have time
to prepare every meal but there\'s only a small number you get get at a
regular (not e.g. Whole Foods) grocery that have under 600 mg which is
what I try for when I buy that stuff.

After a while food that\'s too high in salt starts to become off-putting,
I can\'t eat regular potato chips or fried chicken or fast-food burgers
much anymore, too much salt! Can\'t taste anything but salt, ruins the food.

Shopping online the local chain lets you sort by most nutritional
categories including sodium when doing a pick-up which is very helpful.
Unfortunately they don\'t let you filter by multiple items like Digi-key
or Mouser which would be even better...

 

[Don Y]

On 2/5/2022 9:43 PM, bitrex wrote:

On 2/5/22 18:40, Don Y wrote:
On 2/5/2022 2:05 PM, Mike Monett wrote:
Switch To Potassium

Potassium chloride doesn\'t cause the high blood pressure and bloat from
water retention of sodium.

Potassium isn\'t a panacea. It can interfere with the normal function
of your heart. It\'s also contraindicated for folks with kidney
problems. E.g., replacing a sodium-based water softener with
one driven by potassium just changes the source of the problem.

Sodium is a problem because so many processed foods *add* sodium
to your diet. A slice of white bread may contain 150mg of sodium.
So, 300mg for a sandwich. Not counting any sodium in the condiments
applied or the contents of the sandwich. The RDA for sodium is
~2300mg -- about a teaspoon! FOR THE WHOLE DAY!

Salted popcorn? Ha! Add salt to ANY of your foods? Tsk tsk...

Here (hard water), the sodium from the water softener is equivalent
to ~100 mg of sodium PER QUART of water consumed. Given the amount
of water you are expected to consume in a day (~16C), that\'s 400mg
before you EAT anything.

If you\'re not carefully reading labels, you\'re likely getting too
much (of whatever).

It\'s pretty hard to get too little sodium eating food you don\'t prepare
yourself. Or just eating anything, pretty much...I have high BP that\'s probably
in part genetic and I\'ve been eating a low-sodium diet for several years now
and I\'m just early 40s, it does make in-person shopping more difficult because
most pre-packaged stuff has a stupid amount.

It\'s important to remember that your concern is with *sodium*, not just
\"salt\". E.g., baking soda/powder are similar culprits and contribute to
the total \"sodium\" in a product (e.g., baked goods).

Most of those TV dinners have absurd amounts, I don\'t always have time to
prepare every meal but there\'s only a small number you get get at a regular
(not e.g. Whole Foods) grocery that have under 600 mg which is what I try for
when I buy that stuff.

Soups are lousy with salt. Many canned goods! Ditto cheeses.

Pizza, anyone? :<

After a while food that\'s too high in salt starts to become off-putting, I
can\'t eat regular potato chips or fried chicken or fast-food burgers much
anymore, too much salt! Can\'t taste anything but salt, ruins the food.

Yeah, there was a period when I avoided salt. I happened to drop by
a burger place for a \"quick bite\". And, returned the burgers claiming
they had been prepared improperly (cuz they tasted like SALT burgers).

It is interesting to see just how much \"salt\" is present in the foods that
we regularly eat! (salt == preservative, flavor enhancer)

You can (re)train your palate to enjoy other \"flavorings\" instead of
salt. But, it\'s not done overnight. (and easy to \"relapse\"!)

Shopping online the local chain lets you sort by most nutritional categories
including sodium when doing a pick-up which is very helpful. Unfortunately they
don\'t let you filter by multiple items like Digi-key or Mouser which would be
even better...

I\'ve found that you just have to learn from experience.

Added sugar (in varied forms) is also a problem. Especially in \"sauces\"
(flavorings).

Of course, many of the \"alternatives\" have their own problems.

A good guideline is The Cardiologists\' Diet: If it tastes good, spit it out!

 

[Rick C]

On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 1:41:35 AM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:

A good guideline is The Cardiologists\' Diet: If it tastes good, spit it out!

I think that is very highly overstated. I often use canned tomatoes in my cooking. Half a can is my typical serving which has about 250 mg of sodium or one eighth of the total daily recommended amount. I often use that in place of tomato sauce on pasta or rice.

It is easy to look at labels. No need to use general rules that may not be very accurate for any given food.

Then I make up for the low sodium in my meals by eating popcorn with lots of salt.

--

Rick C.

-+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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[legg]

On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 21:05:39 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spamme@not.com>
wrote:

Stop Eating Salt.

The reason I avoid sodium is because I recently had seven strokes.

These cost me the vision in my left eye, made my right hand so numb I could
not pick up a spoon to eat my food, and cost me the use of my legs. I
cannot walk.

All this is because ordinary sodium causes water retention and high blood
pressure which leads to strokes. I did not know this at the time, and only
found out long afterwards.

Switch To Potassium

Potassium chloride doesn\'t cause the high blood pressure and bloat from
water retention of sodium.

If I had known about potassium chloride, I would have avoided these
problems.

Potassium has the same taste as sodium, but it is much stronger so you
won\'t use as much. The body has a narrower tolerance for potassium, but
since you won\'t use as much you will always stay below the Recommended
Daily Allowance.

Windsor Salt Free is Potassium Chloride

You can get Windsor Salt Free in many grocery stores and on Amazon, but try
to avoid Amazon since they charge double. I pay CAD$7.45 here in Midland,
Ontario. Here is a picture from Windsor Salt:

https://tinyurl.com/2p8md52c

Yes, it is more expensive than regular salt, but it lasts a long time since
you won\'t use as much. I average about 1 gram per day, so a 311 gram
container will last me almost a year. You might use a bit more, but you can
probably afford it.

Get a Blood Pressure Monitor

You can get an inexpensive blood pressure monitor at most health stores and
Amazon. Get the type that straps on your upper arm instead of around your
wrist. They all work the same way by listening for the ultrasonic whistle
as your blood vessel is squeezed shut. There is always some variability in
the readings, and between different models. Get one that is durable and
easy to use, and watch for the trends as you change your diet and exercise
habits.

Check With Your Doctor

Check with your doctor about switching to potassium, but be skeptical if he
recommends you stay on sodium or wants you to take different pills. Get a
second opinion, especially if he has not been monitoring your blood
pressure. Make up your own mind.

Exercise

It is easy to get caught up in a demanding LTspice simulation or a tricky
piece of code. But it is also killing you. Your body needs exercise. Get a
plain kitchen timer, and go for a walk every hour or so. Without Fail. It
is so easy to put off. Don\'t do that. A brief walk will often leave room
for an idea that my unlock the puzzle.

Live Longer and Happier

These small changes will help you be more productive and live longer. You
will be grateful you made them as you grow older and watch your friends die
from heart attacks.

I have just passed my 80th birthday. I have had strokes, but I survived.
There is no need for you to repeat my mistakes.

Strokes are no joke.

Sodium chloride hard to avoid. Just don\'t add more.

RL

 

[Don Y]

On 2/6/2022 8:21 AM, legg wrote:

I have just passed my 80th birthday. I have had strokes, but I survived.
There is no need for you to repeat my mistakes.

Strokes are no joke.

Sodium chloride hard to avoid. Just don\'t add more.

Note that there are other risk factors that affect the likelihood of
a stroke. And, addressing them has other benefits!

You really don\'t \"need\" to suck on that cancer-stick. (my god,
I think smokes are $100/carton?? why don\'t you just take up
Cocaine, instead!)

It\'s not THAT hard to get off your ass and move those muscles.
(no, you don\'t need a gym membership or a fancy piece of equipment
that you\'ll have to *dust* regularly)

And I\'m sure you can afford to buy smaller clothes (i.e., lose
weight so you don\'t need to buy from Omar-the-Tent-Maker).

And, adjust the *types* of foodstuffs from which you derive
your *necessary* calories and other substances. (yeah,
potato chips are tastier than broccoli... but, you can find
other ways to augment the broccoli so it\'s tastier still!)

These are all relatively easy things to do -- just not always
\"fun\" or \"profitable-in-the-short-term\".

E.g., the idea of exercising just for the sake of exercising
is anathema to me; there aren\'t enough hours in the day, as
it is, for me to do the things that I *want* to do... why \"waste\"
one of them?

OTOH, it is relatively easy for me to rationalize walking the
2+ miles to the post office instead of *driving*. In that case,
the \'cost\" of the exercise is reduced -- it would take me 10 minutes
to drive that distance and just about 30 to walk it. So, I
receive the benefits of 60 minutes of exercise (there and back)
for an investment of 40 minutes of my time! (and the car sees
that much less wear-and-tear from those short jaunts).

Repeat for library, grocery store, FedEX store, etc.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 16:40:41 -0700, Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid>
wrote:

On 2/5/2022 2:05 PM, Mike Monett wrote:
Switch To Potassium

Potassium chloride doesn\'t cause the high blood pressure and bloat from
water retention of sodium.

Potassium isn\'t a panacea. It can interfere with the normal function
of your heart. It\'s also contraindicated for folks with kidney
problems. E.g., replacing a sodium-based water softener with
one driven by potassium just changes the source of the problem.

Bodies specifically want salt, and probably/mostly self-regulate about
the amount. But bodies don\'t seem to specifically have a taste for
potassium.

Maybe because sodium salt is generally available, but potassium salts
aren\'t. So if we have a specific regulatory mechanism for potassium,
it would show in in craving for potassium-rich foods.

Sodium is a problem because so many processed foods *add* sodium
to your diet.

Our natural tastes can be fooled by expert chemists who design cheap
junk food.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc trk

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
\"Bunter\", he said, \"I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason\"

 

[Dimiter_Popoff]

On 2/6/2022 18:50, Don Y wrote:

.....
E.g., the idea of exercising just for the sake of exercising
is anathema to me; there aren\'t enough hours in the day, as
it is, for me to do the things that I *want* to do... why \"waste\"
one of them?

OTOH, it is relatively easy for me to rationalize walking the
2+ miles to the post office instead of *driving*.  In that case,
the \'cost\" of the exercise is reduced -- it would take me 10 minutes
to drive that distance and just about 30 to walk it.  So, I
receive the benefits of 60 minutes of exercise (there and back)
for an investment of 40 minutes of my time!  (and the car sees
that much less wear-and-tear from those short jaunts).

Repeat for library, grocery store, FedEX store, etc.

I feel the same about exercise for the sake of exercise, don\'t
have the patience.
I used to make lengthy walks with a camera hunting for wildlife
(well almost exclusively birds), chasing something makes it OK.
( https://www.flickr.com/photos/didi_tgi/albums/72157600228621276 )

For nearly 4 years now I am cycling instead, used to cycle once or
twice a week downtown to visit (35-40 km round trip). But I also did
cycle for the sake of cycling alone a few times. When the weather
allows it I cycle to shop for food, some 10km round trip.

Anyway, in this line of thought let me share a discovery I think I made.
Some 10 years ago I noticed my head worked markedly better if I
had been rope bouncing for say 20 minutes on the terrace here before
I started the day. It took me years to notice it was just the rope
bouncing, no other exercise I did had this effect.
And quite recently I stumbled across the same effect in the kitchen....
while making the morning coffee (2 cups espresso). There are two
pauses of 1-2 minutes each while the water heats up in the maker;
I was just bouncing because I felt cold (my morning shower has
been with cold water for 30+ years and the kitchen is cold during
the winter). And there it was, the effect was there again.
It looks like it is not about the exercise but about the shakeup
the head gets.... Some of the bugs inside it must be falling in
place I suppose .

 

[legg]

On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 09:50:11 -0700, Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid>
wrote:

On 2/6/2022 8:21 AM, legg wrote:
I have just passed my 80th birthday. I have had strokes, but I survived.
There is no need for you to repeat my mistakes.

Strokes are no joke.

Sodium chloride hard to avoid. Just don\'t add more.

Note that there are other risk factors that affect the likelihood of
a stroke. And, addressing them has other benefits!

You really don\'t \"need\" to suck on that cancer-stick. (my god,
I think smokes are $100/carton?? why don\'t you just take up
Cocaine, instead!)

It\'s not THAT hard to get off your ass and move those muscles.
(no, you don\'t need a gym membership or a fancy piece of equipment
that you\'ll have to *dust* regularly)

And I\'m sure you can afford to buy smaller clothes (i.e., lose
weight so you don\'t need to buy from Omar-the-Tent-Maker).

And, adjust the *types* of foodstuffs from which you derive
your *necessary* calories and other substances. (yeah,
potato chips are tastier than broccoli... but, you can find
other ways to augment the broccoli so it\'s tastier still!)

These are all relatively easy things to do -- just not always
\"fun\" or \"profitable-in-the-short-term\".

E.g., the idea of exercising just for the sake of exercising
is anathema to me; there aren\'t enough hours in the day, as
it is, for me to do the things that I *want* to do... why \"waste\"
one of them?

OTOH, it is relatively easy for me to rationalize walking the
2+ miles to the post office instead of *driving*. In that case,
the \'cost\" of the exercise is reduced -- it would take me 10 minutes
to drive that distance and just about 30 to walk it. So, I
receive the benefits of 60 minutes of exercise (there and back)
for an investment of 40 minutes of my time! (and the car sees
that much less wear-and-tear from those short jaunts).

Repeat for library, grocery store, FedEX store, etc.

I\'m more a \'hope I don\'t smell too bad before I\'m planted\',
kind of guy.

Given fate\'s wicked sense of humor, you\'ve got to be very
careful what you wish for. Sniff . . .sniff. . . .

RL

 

[Don Y]

On 2/6/2022 1:07 PM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:

On 2/6/2022 18:50, Don Y wrote:
.....
E.g., the idea of exercising just for the sake of exercising
is anathema to me; there aren\'t enough hours in the day, as
it is, for me to do the things that I *want* to do... why \"waste\"
one of them?

OTOH, it is relatively easy for me to rationalize walking the
2+ miles to the post office instead of *driving*. In that case,
the \'cost\" of the exercise is reduced -- it would take me 10 minutes
to drive that distance and just about 30 to walk it. So, I
receive the benefits of 60 minutes of exercise (there and back)
for an investment of 40 minutes of my time! (and the car sees
that much less wear-and-tear from those short jaunts).

Repeat for library, grocery store, FedEX store, etc.

I feel the same about exercise for the sake of exercise, don\'t
have the patience.

Exactly. It\'s as if you\'re constantly thinking \"I could be doing
_____, instead!\"

At least if you\'re cooking, watching TV, eating, taking a sh*t,
etc. you can do some other task that more fully uses your mind.
When walking, I can *think* about things but can\'t *read*
anything (the relative motion of my surroundings is distracting)

I used to make lengthy walks with a camera hunting for wildlife
(well almost exclusively birds), chasing something makes it OK.
( https://www.flickr.com/photos/didi_tgi/albums/72157600228621276 )

Ah, well... I\'d put \"bird watching\" in a similar category as exercise! :>
SWMBO enjoys watching the birds in the back yard as they seem to have
a preference for our yard over most of the neighbors.

\"Come look at this...\"

<shrug>

For nearly 4 years now I am cycling instead, used to cycle once or
twice a week downtown to visit (35-40 km round trip). But I also did
cycle for the sake of cycling alone a few times. When the weather
allows it I cycle to shop for food, some 10km round trip.

That\'s just a tiny bit farther than my walking limit. I find 4-5
miles to be about right -- 60-75 minutes of exercise per day.

Anyway, in this line of thought let me share a discovery I think I made.
Some 10 years ago I noticed my head worked markedly better if I
had been rope bouncing for say 20 minutes on the terrace here before
I started the day. It took me years to notice it was just the rope
bouncing, no other exercise I did had this effect.

\"Rope bouncing\"? \"Jumping/skipping rope\"?

And quite recently I stumbled across the same effect in the kitchen....
while making the morning coffee (2 cups espresso). There are two
pauses of 1-2 minutes each while the water heats up in the maker;
I was just bouncing because I felt cold (my morning shower has
been with cold water for 30+ years and the kitchen is cold during
the winter). And there it was, the effect was there again.
It looks like it is not about the exercise but about the shakeup
the head gets.... Some of the bugs inside it must be falling in
place I suppose .

If you shake your head and folks NEAR you say \"what\'s that noise\"...

I prefer closing my eyes so I\'m not distracted by other things in
my visual field (I\'m a \"visual thinker\"; if my eyes are open, I
won\'t \"see\" what\'s in front of me in deference to the thought process
that is monopolizing my conscious mind)

 

[Don Y]

On 2/6/2022 1:28 PM, legg wrote:

I\'m more a \'hope I don\'t smell too bad before I\'m planted\',
kind of guy.

I\'m concerned about being able to do what I want to do for as
long as possible. The idea of a physical injury (or debilitating
condition) depriving me of some ability -- esp if I could have
avoided it with a bit of effort (no, I\'m not going to waste
days at a gym, etc.) -- would be annoying.

This, especially as the costs of \"neglect\" aren\'t immediately
obvious -- like putting your hand in a fire might be! (and,
because the symptoms are likely not dramatic, initially).

[I\'ve a friend recently Dx\'ed with Parkinson\'s. It\'s sad
to see her having to cope with this -- doubly so as it wasn\'t
like she had some \"early warning\" that it was waiting for her.
Other friends have dealt with ALS -- wickedly cruel!]

Given fate\'s wicked sense of humor, you\'ve got to be very
careful what you wish for. Sniff . . .sniff. . . .

<grin>

Focus on the right side of green...

 

[Dimiter_Popoff]

On 2/6/2022 22:42, Don Y wrote:

On 2/6/2022 1:07 PM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 2/6/2022 18:50, Don Y wrote:
.....
E.g., the idea of exercising just for the sake of exercising
is anathema to me; there aren\'t enough hours in the day, as
it is, for me to do the things that I *want* to do... why \"waste\"
one of them?

OTOH, it is relatively easy for me to rationalize walking the
2+ miles to the post office instead of *driving*.  In that case,
the \'cost\" of the exercise is reduced -- it would take me 10 minutes
to drive that distance and just about 30 to walk it.  So, I
receive the benefits of 60 minutes of exercise (there and back)
for an investment of 40 minutes of my time!  (and the car sees
that much less wear-and-tear from those short jaunts).

Repeat for library, grocery store, FedEX store, etc.

I feel the same about exercise for the sake of exercise, don\'t
have the patience.

Exactly.  It\'s as if you\'re constantly thinking \"I could be doing
_____, instead!\"

At least if you\'re cooking, watching TV, eating, taking a sh*t,
etc. you can do some other task that more fully uses your mind.
When walking, I can *think* about things but can\'t *read*
anything (the relative motion of my surroundings is distracting)

I used to make lengthy walks with a camera hunting for wildlife
(well almost exclusively birds), chasing something makes it OK.
( https://www.flickr.com/photos/didi_tgi/albums/72157600228621276 )

Ah, well... I\'d put \"bird watching\" in a similar category as exercise! :
SWMBO enjoys watching the birds in the back yard as they seem to have
a preference for our yard over most of the neighbors.

It is the chasing to find some bird and get close enough to take
a decent photo, not the watching which did it for me.

\"Come look at this...\"

shrug

For nearly 4 years now I am cycling instead, used to cycle once or
twice a week downtown to visit (35-40 km round trip). But I also did
cycle for the sake of cycling alone a few times. When the weather
allows it I cycle to shop for food, some 10km round trip.

That\'s just a tiny bit farther than my walking limit.  I find 4-5
miles to be about right -- 60-75 minutes of exercise per day.

This is plenty if you do it on a daily basis of course. Or even every
other day.

Anyway, in this line of thought let me share a discovery I think I made.
Some 10 years ago I noticed my head worked markedly better if I
had been rope bouncing for say 20 minutes on the terrace here before
I started the day. It took me years to notice it was just the rope
bouncing, no other exercise I did had this effect.

\"Rope bouncing\"?  \"Jumping/skipping rope\"?

Yes, I thought I knew the phrase but apparently I have just made it
up...

And quite recently I stumbled across the same effect in the kitchen....
while making the morning coffee (2 cups espresso). There are two
pauses of 1-2 minutes each while the water heats up in the maker;
I was just bouncing because I felt cold (my morning shower has
been with cold water for 30+ years and the kitchen is cold during
the winter). And there it was, the effect was there again.
It looks like it is not about the exercise but about the shakeup
the head gets.... Some of the bugs inside it must be falling in
place I suppose .

If you shake your head and folks NEAR you say \"what\'s that noise\"...

Or may be not so near me, must ask the neighbours...

But the effect seems real, it is worth a try.

I prefer closing my eyes so I\'m not distracted by other things in
my visual field (I\'m a \"visual thinker\"; if my eyes are open, I
won\'t \"see\" what\'s in front of me in deference to the thought process
that is monopolizing my conscious mind)