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[felix]

On Saturday, 18 Feb 2017 10:53 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2017-02-18, felix <me@nothere.invalid> wrote:
On Saturday, 18 Feb 2017 9:43 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
what native animals are there in suburbia?
Off the top of my head kookaburras, blue tongued lizards, snakes,
rosellas, cockatoos, seagulls, pelicans, possums, also huntsman,
cross, funnel-web, and redback spiders, and those are just the
ones that got in my way and I kind-of recognised.

and which do you consider regularly feature on domestic cats diet?


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[Xeno]

On 18/02/2017 11:47 PM, felix wrote:

On Saturday, 18 Feb 2017 10:53 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2017-02-18, felix <me@nothere.invalid> wrote:
On Saturday, 18 Feb 2017 9:43 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
what native animals are there in suburbia?
Off the top of my head kookaburras, blue tongued lizards, snakes,
rosellas, cockatoos, seagulls, pelicans, possums, also huntsman,
cross, funnel-web, and redback spiders, and those are just the
ones that got in my way and I kind-of recognised.


and which do you consider regularly feature on domestic cats diet?

Possibly none of the above. That doesn't mean that cats won't kill them.
I have seen many cats bring home birds and mice that they have
absolutely no intention of eating. They hunt and kill for *sport*.

--

Xeno

First they ignore you,
Then they ridicule you,
Then they fight you,
Then you win.

Mahatma Ghandi

 

[Ned Latham]

Xeno wrote:
> Petzl wrote:

----snip----

Do they actually name CO2 as the cause not the earths axis being
aligned to the sun?
https://www.ipcc.ch

Yes they do. In fact, global warming is being blamed for changing the
tilt of the earth's axis.

"They" being journalists, "reporting" on scientsts.

Where are the scientists themselves?

Read more here; http://tinyurl.com/jlam7c2

and here; http://tinyurl.com/zhxtqtw

More here; http://tinyurl.com/zef9gf6

Might I suggest you make a greater effort into *correctly* interpreting
what you read. It would save a lot of false information being spread
about.

Practise what you preach.

Ned

 

[Ned Latham]

felix wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:
Ned Latham wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:

----snip----

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my neighbour's cats off
to the pound when I catch them.

Fuck me, that's a good idea!




**It is indeed. Possum cages work well. A can of tuna or salmon and
the cat is caught. The average cat in Australia is reputed to kill
something like 7 native animals per year.

what native animals are there in suburbia?

It's appalling.

you're appalling

Cat owners are, in the main, a disgusting sub-set of humanity.

you're an idiot

That said, not all are like that. A mate's wife owned a cat, so my
mate arranged for a large indoor/outdoor area to be securely fenced
with chicken wire, so the cat could play and not interact with any
native species. He is in the minority.

so he should be..

So you're a cat person, Felix? Or is it Felix?

Calling all Felices...

 

[Ned Latham]

Jasen Betts wrote:

felix wrote:

what native animals are there in suburbia?

Off the top of my head kookaburras, blue tongued lizards, snakes,
rosellas, cockatoos, seagulls, pelicans, possums, also huntsman,
cross, funnel-web, and redback spiders, and those are just the
ones that got in my way and I kind-of recognised.

There's also a very nasty exotic species that cats interact with
in suburbia: feral cats.

Ned

 

[Ned Latham]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

Ned Latham wrote:
felix wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
felix wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:

----snip----

What bugs would they be? Wind turbines work.

when the wind blows, and not cost effective

Once erected, they deliver power at no cost for decades.

except for maintenance, breakdowns, servicing, etc., and killing birds

I don't know this for a fact, but I read somewwhere (ages ago) that
those turbines are efficient because they're built using materials
that make for building the strongest magnets possible, and that
those materials are rare earths, which are energy intensive in
mining, refining, and manufacture; IOW, those turbines have a
very large carbon footprint.

Possibly. Research in the US suggests a payback period as short as 8
months:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/06/140616093317.htm

That's about *energy* payback, not CO2. The only mention of CO2 that
I saw is that they have essentially zero emissions, which is true,
but not the point I addressed.

My concern with them is the large carbon footprint (not the energy
consumption) of mining, refining, and manufacture. The energy cost
and the carbon emissions are related, but the devil is in *how*
they're related. And because no-one talks about this point, I'm
suspicious about it.

but if the Greens had their way Australia would be flat broke
in no time

and we'd be all sitting around with no jobs and smoking pot..

That sounds so bad that I think we should try it, just to be sure.

LOL.

One pill makes you larger and one pill makes you small
And the ones that mother gives you don't do anything at all
Go ask Alice when she's ten feet tall

And if you go chasing rabbits and you know you're going to fall
Tell 'em a hookah-smoking caterpillar gas given you the call
Call Alice when she was just small

When the men on the chessboard get up and tell you where to go
And you've just had some kind of mushroom and your mind is moving low
Go ask Alice I think she'll know

When logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead
And the White Knight is talking backwards and the Red Queen's off her head
Remember what the dormouse said
Feed your head
Feed your head

Like Murtz, you are happy to criticise the Greens, without
foundation

if they had had their way and blocked asset sales, the debt would
be triple what it is now, and our credit rating in the gutter

If the Laborals were to manage the economy responsibly, asset sales
would not be required for balancing the budget.

Asset sales have two very serious consequences: first, they immediately
and permanently reduce government revenue (and usually also immediately
and permanently increase government costs); second, they diminish our
national asset base; sooner or later there'll be nothing left to sell;
what then?

Indeed. It is insane to kill the cow, yet Labor and Lieberals have
been doing it for years.

I think it's also criminal: they tell us that this country's a
democracy. If that's true, there's no such thing as "government
property": it's ours; without our permission, what they're doing
is theft, and the buyers are receivers of stolen goods.

And how about this? QANTAS was a magnificent cash cow for decades:
milions of dollars every year into consolidated revenue; then Keating
sold it. Similarly the Commonwealth Bank (Hawke was PM at the start of
th proces, but Keating was the Treasurer, and carried it forward and
completed it after he became PM). How the fuck was he able to tout
himself as "the greatest treasurer in the world" and still keep a
straight face?

Ned

 

[Ned Latham]

A felix wrote:

----snip----

what a prick you are! it's not illegal to own a cat. do you also run
elderly drivers off the road coz they're too slow?

You don't?

----snip----

Ned

 

[Ned Latham]

A felix wrote:
> Ned Latham wrote:

----snip----

Asset sales have two very serious consequences: first, they immediately
and permanently reduce government revenue (and usually also immediately
and permanently increase government costs); second, they diminish our
national asset base; sooner or later there'll be nothing left to sell;
what then?

I know. it's not good, but it's all due to labor governments running up
massive debt.

It's not that simple. The Laborals take turns running up financial debt
(Labor) and social debt (Liberal) with no serious effort to meet each
other part way and balance budgets *without* gutting disadvantaged
people.

Howard took eleven years to pay of Keating's $96 billion
debt, and then Krudd and Gillard put us back in the poo again in next to
no time

Rudd used the Howard surplus to fend off the consequences of the GFC.
Gillard is the one who sold out on the Mining tax.

Ned

 

[Ned Latham]

felix wrote:

Petzl wrote:
felix wrote:
Petzl wrote:

----snip----

Fran Snotilus
thinks by putting people down she looks smart

it doesn't work..

She makes more enemies than friends!

she killfiles everyone who disagrees with her

So maintaining her delusions of adequacy.

Ned

 

Jasen Betts declared

On 2017-02-17, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2017 09:03:49 GMT, Ned Latham
nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> wrote:



But working oxyfuel coal fired power station in Germany USA and other
places have zero CO2 atmospheric emissions. When working as designed

(they pump what little they make underground called recapture as liquid
CO2)

You lieing liar, it makes Two to Three tons of CO2 for every ton of
coal how can that be "little".

Don't mind the village idiot of aus.politics, poor old Petz.

Concepts like chemical equations and the concept of volume and density
are beyond his current capabilities.

Purely on weight:
Carbon atomic weight 12
Oxygen atomic weight 16 and that times 2 (remember CO2)

That makes CO2=44 vs pure carbon=12. That is a 3.7 times weight increase
per mole of substance.

Carbon is a solid. CO2 is in this case liquefied. Their densities are
still very different meaning that the resulting liquid will need to take
up more space than the removed carbon.

So far science has not been able to create real magic. Maybe we need
qualified alchemists to solve this problem.

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Rest assured I am not going anywhere

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 19/02/2017 1:05 AM, Ned Latham wrote:

Jasen Betts wrote:
felix wrote:

what native animals are there in suburbia?

Off the top of my head kookaburras, blue tongued lizards, snakes,
rosellas, cockatoos, seagulls, pelicans, possums, also huntsman,
cross, funnel-web, and redback spiders, and those are just the
ones that got in my way and I kind-of recognised.

There's also a very nasty exotic species that cats interact with
in suburbia: feral cats.

**I caught a feral cat in one of my traps once. A truly terrifying
creature. It was huge, very aggressive and violent. Very few indigenous
animals would stand a chance. The animal control guy that came to
collect it said that there were many thousands living in our suburbs.
Usually in stormwater drains.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Fran Snortilus]

On 18/02/2017 10:53 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2017-02-18, felix <me@nothere.invalid> wrote:
On Saturday, 18 Feb 2017 9:43 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

what native animals are there in suburbia?

Off the top of my head kookaburras, blue tongued lizards, snakes,
rosellas, cockatoos, seagulls, pelicans, possums, also huntsman,
cross, funnel-web, and redback spiders, and those are just the
ones that got in my way and I kind-of recognised.

Echidnas too. We had one when we lived in a suburb in Canberra. I was
amazed given how rarely I've sighted them in my whole life.

 

[Fran Snortilus]

On 19/02/2017 8:46 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 19/02/2017 1:05 AM, Ned Latham wrote:
Jasen Betts wrote:
felix wrote:

what native animals are there in suburbia?

Off the top of my head kookaburras, blue tongued lizards, snakes,
rosellas, cockatoos, seagulls, pelicans, possums, also huntsman,
cross, funnel-web, and redback spiders, and those are just the
ones that got in my way and I kind-of recognised.

There's also a very nasty exotic species that cats interact with
in suburbia: feral cats.


**I caught a feral cat in one of my traps once. A truly terrifying
creature. It was huge, very aggressive and violent. Very few indigenous
animals would stand a chance. The animal control guy that came to
collect it said that there were many thousands living in our suburbs.
Usually in stormwater drains.

We caught a feral here too not so long ago. the second one we've caught
here. We know we've got one if the tiny bird numbers go down. I'd been
leaving out feed for it so it'd come and then gradually moved the food
into the trap. This one was big but not as savage as the first one we
caught.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 18/02/2017 9:20 PM, felix wrote:

On Saturday, 18 Feb 2017 9:43 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 17/02/2017 9:20 PM, Ned Latham wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:

----snip----

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my neighbour's cats off
to the pound when I catch them.

Fuck me, that's a good idea!




**It is indeed. Possum cages work well. A can of tuna or salmon and
the cat is caught. The average cat in Australia is reputed to kill
something like 7 native animals per year.

what native animals are there in suburbia?

**In my (tiny, 700 sq M) backyard?

* Sulfur Crested Cockatoo
* Magpies (a family of 7 - 3 generations)
* Kookaburras
* Crested Pigeons
* Noisy miners
* King Parrots
* Lorikeets
* Eastern Rosellas
* Crimson Rosellas
* Striped Marsh Frogs
* Perrins Tree Frogs
* Blue tongue lizards (at least 3 I know of)
* Leaf Tail Gekkos
* Ring Tail Possums
* Brush Tail Possums

All, with the possible exception of Cockatoos, are fair game for cats.

It's appalling.

you're appalling

**You're an idiot.

Cat owners are, in the main, a disgusting sub-set of humanity.

you're an idiot

**Cat owners are, in the main, thoughtless arseholes.

That said, not all are like that. A mate's wife owned a cat, so my
mate arranged for a large indoor/outdoor area to be securely fenced
with chicken wire, so the cat could play and not interact with any
native species. He is in the minority.



so he should be..

**Why do you think that keeping cats is a good idea?


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 18/02/2017 9:17 PM, felix wrote:

On Friday, 17 Feb 2017 7:36 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 17/02/2017 5:04 PM, felix wrote:
On Thursday, 16 Feb 2017 11:52 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 16/02/2017 11:46 AM, felix wrote:
On Thursday, 16 Feb 2017 5:23 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 15/02/2017 12:35 PM, F Murtz wrote:







Renewable energy is good if it works, my problem is with it when it
is a
waste of time or does not work efficiently,Coal is fine as a stop
gap
till the bugs are worked out in renewables.

**What bugs would they be? Wind turbines work.

when the wind blows, and not cost effective

**Once erected, they deliver power at no cost for decades.

except for maintenance, breakdowns, servicing, etc., and killing birds

**That old chestnut. Far more birds are killed by emissions from coal
fired power stations than from wind turbines.

failed to address the maintenance issue I see

**Coal-fired power stations require maintenance too. ALL power
generation equipment does.

In any case, if you are REALLY so fucking concerned about birds (I bet
you're not), then you should be killing cats. Cats kill 10,000 times
more birds than wind turbines do.

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my neighbour's cats off
to the pound when I catch them.

what a prick you are! it's not illegal to own a cat. do you also run
elderly drivers off the road coz they're too slow?

**Thanks to NSW state law, I am entitled to exterminate any cats I find
on my property. I don't. I catch them and send them to the pound, where
they are de-sexed, re-homed or returned to their stupid owners.

If the cat is chipped, it only costs the neighbour $100.00 to get it
back. They only do it once or twice. Cat owners are quite easy to
train. Hit them in the wallet.

train them to do what?

**To keep their fucking cats locked up. Dogs are not allowed to roam the
streets. I fail to see why cats should be.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Petzl]

On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 09:58:03 +1100, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 18/02/2017 9:20 PM, felix wrote:
On Saturday, 18 Feb 2017 9:43 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 17/02/2017 9:20 PM, Ned Latham wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:

----snip----

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my neighbour's cats off
to the pound when I catch them.

Fuck me, that's a good idea!




**It is indeed. Possum cages work well. A can of tuna or salmon and
the cat is caught. The average cat in Australia is reputed to kill
something like 7 native animals per year.

what native animals are there in suburbia?

**In my (tiny, 700 sq M) backyard?

* Sulfur Crested Cockatoo
* Magpies (a family of 7 - 3 generations)
* Kookaburras
* Crested Pigeons
* Noisy miners
* King Parrots
* Lorikeets
* Eastern Rosellas
* Crimson Rosellas
* Striped Marsh Frogs
* Perrins Tree Frogs
* Blue tongue lizards (at least 3 I know of)
* Leaf Tail Gekkos
* Ring Tail Possums
* Brush Tail Possums

All, with the possible exception of Cockatoos, are fair game for cats.


It's appalling.

you're appalling

**You're an idiot.


Cat owners are, in the main, a disgusting sub-set of humanity.

you're an idiot

**Cat owners are, in the main, thoughtless arseholes.


That said, not all are like that. A mate's wife owned a cat, so my
mate arranged for a large indoor/outdoor area to be securely fenced
with chicken wire, so the cat could play and not interact with any
native species. He is in the minority.



so he should be..

**Why do you think that keeping cats is a good idea?

No I don't own a cat but my nice neighbors do sometimes when they go
on holiday they ask me to feed them though, which I don't mind doing.

Domestic cats (fixed and mirochipped) are not as aggressive as feral
cats. And my neighbors cats often catch a rat BIG ones from the
reserve at the back.

Aside from you know the rat population in your suburb??
If you don't have a outside cat you encourage a rat habitat!
Rats are clever they keep away from cats

When I lived on a farm most farmers have a outside cat often never
allowed inside because most know without them vermin enters the home
and it's walls. A rat hibernates inside a house during winter, the
stains in certain spots are where the rat defecates.
<http://i.imgur.com/pzDazx0.jpg>

This is from a Sydney councils commissioned report'

The Black Rat climbs trees and eats small birds or eggs out of their
nests, as well as fruit and vegetables.

They often cause damage by gnawing pipes, telephone cords and hoses.
They are unhygienic and the carrier of disease. This Rat can have up
to 60 young in a year and at three months, are sexually mature.
The Black Rat is commonly sighted in the Rockdale area by day or
night. Common sightings are around most of our waterways and
beach areas. This is the rat seen by most people.
Most people wrongly call them Water Rats; nothing could be further
from the truth.

Of course then there is the rat disease problem
<http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-15/increased-rat-sightings-across-sydney/6018656>
https://is.gd/wD1SYI
Reports of increased rat sightings across Sydney spark disease
concerns
*****************

Then with even feral cats
<http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2013/08/australian-cats-and-foxes-may-not-deserve-their-bad-rep>
https://is.gd/RoXaoU
Foxes and feral cats are wildly unpopular among Australian
conservationists. The two animals are infamous for killing off the
continent's native species, and they?e been the targets of numerous
government-backed eradication campaigns.

But new research suggests that on Australian islands, these predators
help control an even more destructive one: the black rat. As a result,
eliminating cats and foxes could actually leave native mammals more
vulnerable to predation, competition, and ultimately extinction.
--
Petzl
The Scots have raised their threat level from "Pissed Off" to "Let's get the Ba----rds." They don't have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years.
John Cleese,
British writer, Atheist, actor and tall person

 

[Peter]

On 18/02/2017 11:07 PM, Xeno wrote:
<snip>

I have seen many cats bring home birds and mice that they have
absolutely no intention of eating. They hunt and kill for *sport*.

That's dreadful. But only to be expected of creatures much further down
the order of sentient creatures than us human beings. Next thing you
know those bestial cats will be launching robotic aerial vehicle attacks
on pregnant females and kittens

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 19/02/2017 11:20 AM, Petzl wrote:

On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 09:58:03 +1100, Trevor Wilson
trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 18/02/2017 9:20 PM, felix wrote:
On Saturday, 18 Feb 2017 9:43 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 17/02/2017 9:20 PM, Ned Latham wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:

----snip----

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my neighbour's cats off
to the pound when I catch them.

Fuck me, that's a good idea!




**It is indeed. Possum cages work well. A can of tuna or salmon and
the cat is caught. The average cat in Australia is reputed to kill
something like 7 native animals per year.

what native animals are there in suburbia?

**In my (tiny, 700 sq M) backyard?

* Sulfur Crested Cockatoo
* Magpies (a family of 7 - 3 generations)
* Kookaburras
* Crested Pigeons
* Noisy miners
* King Parrots
* Lorikeets
* Eastern Rosellas
* Crimson Rosellas
* Striped Marsh Frogs
* Perrins Tree Frogs
* Blue tongue lizards (at least 3 I know of)
* Leaf Tail Gekkos
* Ring Tail Possums
* Brush Tail Possums

All, with the possible exception of Cockatoos, are fair game for cats.


It's appalling.

you're appalling

**You're an idiot.


Cat owners are, in the main, a disgusting sub-set of humanity.

you're an idiot

**Cat owners are, in the main, thoughtless arseholes.


That said, not all are like that. A mate's wife owned a cat, so my
mate arranged for a large indoor/outdoor area to be securely fenced
with chicken wire, so the cat could play and not interact with any
native species. He is in the minority.



so he should be..

**Why do you think that keeping cats is a good idea?

No I don't own a cat but my nice neighbors do sometimes when they go
on holiday they ask me to feed them though, which I don't mind doing.

Domestic cats (fixed and mirochipped) are not as aggressive as feral
cats. And my neighbors cats often catch a rat BIG ones from the
reserve at the back.

**Not as aggressive? No. But there's a LOT more of them. Despite high
steel fences, my own backyard has been the scene of death and
destruction from domestic cats. Some of the animals killed and injured
include:

Magpies, Crested Pigeons, frogs, lizards (including blue tongues),
Superb, Blue Fairy Wrens, etc. I have no problem with domestic cats,
PROVIDED they are kept locked up at all times. They cannot be allowed
out doors. Ever.

Aside from you know the rat population in your suburb??

**There are rats. If the cats ONLY killed the rats, I wouldn't mind.
Trouble is they kill EVERYTHING they can.

> If you don't have a outside cat you encourage a rat habitat!

**Bullshit.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Petzl]

On 18 Feb 2017 11:54:06 GMT, Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:

On 2017-02-17, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2017 09:03:49 GMT, Ned Latham
nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> wrote:



But working oxyfuel coal fired power station in Germany USA and other
places have zero CO2 atmospheric emissions. When working as designed

(they pump what little they make underground called recapture as
liquid CO2)

You lieing liar, it makes Two to Three tons of CO2 for every ton of
coal how can that be "little".

Oxyfuel Coal powered station latest technology are NOT air breathers
they use liquid Oxygen vaporized and mixed with the recirculated
"flue/stack" gas the coal is combusted over a fluidized bed which
removes the waste as carbon particles. The CO2 emissions are very much
reduced and liquefied and pumped thousands of feed underground as
carbon capture. Nothing goes to atmosphere
--
Petzl
The Scots have raised their threat level from "Pissed Off" to "Let's get the Ba----rds." They don't have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years.
John Cleese,
British writer, Atheist, actor and tall person

 

[felix]

On Sunday, 19 Feb 2017 12:07 AM, Xeno wrote:

On 18/02/2017 11:47 PM, felix wrote:
On Saturday, 18 Feb 2017 10:53 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2017-02-18, felix <me@nothere.invalid> wrote:
On Saturday, 18 Feb 2017 9:43 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
what native animals are there in suburbia?
Off the top of my head kookaburras, blue tongued lizards, snakes,
rosellas, cockatoos, seagulls, pelicans, possums, also huntsman,
cross, funnel-web, and redback spiders, and those are just the
ones that got in my way and I kind-of recognised.


and which do you consider regularly feature on domestic cats diet?


Possibly none of the above.

that's the point. none of those are really endangered by cats. but what
about the good cats do by killing mice and keeping premises rodent free.
some factories even keep a cat just for that purpose. cats will kill
birds occasionally, but so what. it's not like sparrows are an
endangered species.

> That doesn't mean that cats won't kill them.

I've never known of a cat killing a redback, lol. possibly redbacks have
killed cats tho. we saw a redback killing a snake on the news just recently

I have seen many cats bring home birds and mice that they have
absolutely no intention of eating. They hunt and kill for *sport*.

so what


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