Russia is screwed...

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 10:00:18 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 10:39:18 AM UTC-7, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 2022-04-15 19:03, John Larkin wrote:
[...]

The Russian military is pathetic. There are reports that most of the
money spent to amp up for the Ukranian campaign was embezzled.

I\'d be careful if I were you. This sort of talk is how you get
prepped for war, making you believe the enemy is pathetic, weak
and disorganized. It\'s never true enough to win. You\'ll find out
when your sons and daughters fail to come back.

I think John made an accurate assessment, which is what you want in order to AVOID war.

That would be a first. More to the point, John Larkin isn\'t well placed to make any kind of assessment, any more than Flyguy is. That what military intelligence is for, and US military intelligence shipped a lot of anti-tank and antiaircraft missiles to the Ukraine when Russia first started massing troops around the borders of the Ukraine.

> Everybody thought that the Russkies would take Ukraine in a week (I did),

Not that Flyguy can be bothered to cite a link to anything published at the time that might have had some credibility. Flyguy\'s own opinion doesn\'t.

> but it turned out that they got their asses kicked.

They clearly haven\'t done as well as they expected, but they seem to have captured a substantial chunk of Mariupol.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-16/the-battle-of-mariupol-russia-ukraine-invasion/100992682

If the Ukrainians can kick them out again, you might be able to talk of ass-kicking.

>They are inept and mostly target civilians, a sign that they are not being led by a professional officer corps.

Not exactly. Even the most professional officer corps has to concentrate on the targets it\'s high command tells them to go after.

>Their tanks are running out fuel (?!) and their troops food. This is inexcusable for a professional army.

It shouldn\'t happen, but if the battle plan depended on them capturing more territory than turned out to be attainable, the logistics have to be rejigged, which takes time and effort,

Russian soldiers are conscripts barely out of basic training. Now, Russia has lost TWO flagship guided missile cruisers to Ukrainian defenses - not the game plan that Putin envisioned.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/04/russian-soldiers-ukraine-anger-duped-into-war

No battle plan survives contact with the enemy.

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2021/05/04/no-plan/

The Russians seem to have been just as unrealistic as the Americans were in Irak, but while the Americans had a useful military advantage in Irak, the Russians had less of an edge (if any) over the Ukrainian military. Of course there are lot more Russians, even if quite a few of them are now dead or injured.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Flyguy]

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 10:19:29 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:

On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 10:00:18 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 10:39:18 AM UTC-7, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 2022-04-15 19:03, John Larkin wrote:
[...]

The Russian military is pathetic. There are reports that most of the
money spent to amp up for the Ukranian campaign was embezzled.

I\'d be careful if I were you. This sort of talk is how you get
prepped for war, making you believe the enemy is pathetic, weak
and disorganized. It\'s never true enough to win. You\'ll find out
when your sons and daughters fail to come back.

I think John made an accurate assessment, which is what you want in order to AVOID war.
That would be a first. More to the point, John Larkin isn\'t well placed to make any kind of assessment, any more than Flyguy is. That what military intelligence is for, and US military intelligence shipped a lot of anti-tank and antiaircraft missiles to the Ukraine when Russia first started massing troops around the borders of the Ukraine.
Everybody thought that the Russkies would take Ukraine in a week (I did),
Not that Flyguy can be bothered to cite a link to anything published at the time that might have had some credibility. Flyguy\'s own opinion doesn\'t.
but it turned out that they got their asses kicked.
They clearly haven\'t done as well as they expected, but they seem to have captured a substantial chunk of Mariupol.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-16/the-battle-of-mariupol-russia-ukraine-invasion/100992682

If the Ukrainians can kick them out again, you might be able to talk of ass-kicking.
They are inept and mostly target civilians, a sign that they are not being led by a professional officer corps.
Not exactly. Even the most professional officer corps has to concentrate on the targets it\'s high command tells them to go after.
Their tanks are running out fuel (?!) and their troops food. This is inexcusable for a professional army.
It shouldn\'t happen, but if the battle plan depended on them capturing more territory than turned out to be attainable, the logistics have to be rejigged, which takes time and effort,
Russian soldiers are conscripts barely out of basic training. Now, Russia has lost TWO flagship guided missile cruisers to Ukrainian defenses - not the game plan that Putin envisioned.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/04/russian-soldiers-ukraine-anger-duped-into-war
No battle plan survives contact with the enemy.

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2021/05/04/no-plan/

The Russians seem to have been just as unrealistic as the Americans were in Irak, but while the Americans had a useful military advantage in Irak, the Russians had less of an edge (if any) over the Ukrainian military. Of course there are lot more Russians, even if quite a few of them are now dead or injured.

--
SNIPPERMAN, Sydney

Hey SNIPPERMAN, everybody thought the Russians would take Ukraine quickly - YOU provide a link to anyone who thought otherwise. And you don\'t count - you can\'t even spell Iraq.

 

[server]

John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
news:vesl5ht1et8366btu7o65ohkje42qri1fs@4ax.com:

I just heard a report on NPR that says Putin is worth $200 billion.

A lot of his buddies are not going to be happy about their $300
million yachts being seized.

Putin is the biggest modern day thief in the world. ALL of his
billions were from him buying a property at artificially devalued
prives and then jacking them the next day to double that valuation or
more. A trick he learned from Trump.

In any free nation in the world, he would go to prison for it.

Afew of the Trumps just might, and they damn well should too.
Kushner as well, for the same crap.

 

[Flyguy]

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 10:19:29 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:

On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 10:00:18 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 10:39:18 AM UTC-7, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 2022-04-15 19:03, John Larkin wrote:
[...]

The Russian military is pathetic. There are reports that most of the
money spent to amp up for the Ukranian campaign was embezzled.

I\'d be careful if I were you. This sort of talk is how you get
prepped for war, making you believe the enemy is pathetic, weak
and disorganized. It\'s never true enough to win. You\'ll find out
when your sons and daughters fail to come back.

I think John made an accurate assessment, which is what you want in order to AVOID war.
That would be a first. More to the point, John Larkin isn\'t well placed to make any kind of assessment, any more than Flyguy is. That what military intelligence is for, and US military intelligence shipped a lot of anti-tank and antiaircraft missiles to the Ukraine when Russia first started massing troops around the borders of the Ukraine.
Everybody thought that the Russkies would take Ukraine in a week (I did),
Not that Flyguy can be bothered to cite a link to anything published at the time that might have had some credibility. Flyguy\'s own opinion doesn\'t.
but it turned out that they got their asses kicked.
They clearly haven\'t done as well as they expected, but they seem to have captured a substantial chunk of Mariupol.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-16/the-battle-of-mariupol-russia-ukraine-invasion/100992682

If the Ukrainians can kick them out again, you might be able to talk of ass-kicking.
They are inept and mostly target civilians, a sign that they are not being led by a professional officer corps.
Not exactly. Even the most professional officer corps has to concentrate on the targets it\'s high command tells them to go after.
Their tanks are running out fuel (?!) and their troops food. This is inexcusable for a professional army.
It shouldn\'t happen, but if the battle plan depended on them capturing more territory than turned out to be attainable, the logistics have to be rejigged, which takes time and effort,

NEWS FLASH: SNIPPERMAN AGREES WITH FLYGUY!!!!

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 4:11:09 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 10:19:29 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 10:00:18 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 10:39:18 AM UTC-7, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 2022-04-15 19:03, John Larkin wrote:
[...]

The Russian military is pathetic. There are reports that most of the
money spent to amp up for the Ukranian campaign was embezzled.

I\'d be careful if I were you. This sort of talk is how you get
prepped for war, making you believe the enemy is pathetic, weak
and disorganized. It\'s never true enough to win. You\'ll find out
when your sons and daughters fail to come back.

I think John made an accurate assessment, which is what you want in order to AVOID war.

That would be a first. More to the point, John Larkin isn\'t well placed to make any kind of assessment, any more than Flyguy is. That what military intelligence is for, and US military intelligence shipped a lot of anti-tank and antiaircraft missiles to the Ukraine when Russia first started massing troops around the borders of the Ukraine.

Everybody thought that the Russkies would take Ukraine in a week (I did), but it turned out that they got their asses kicked.

Not that Flyguy can be bothered to cite a link to anything published at the time that might have had some credibility. Flyguy\'s own opinion doesn\'t.

They clearly haven\'t done as well as they expected, but they seem to have captured a substantial chunk of Mariupol.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-16/the-battle-of-mariupol-russia-ukraine-invasion/100992682

If the Ukrainians can kick them out again, you might be able to talk of ass-kicking.

They are inept and mostly target civilians, a sign that they are not being led by a professional officer corps.

Not exactly. Even the most professional officer corps has to concentrate on the targets it\'s high command tells them to go after.

Their tanks are running out fuel (?!) and their troops food. This is inexcusable for a professional army.

It shouldn\'t happen, but if the battle plan depended on them capturing more territory than turned out to be attainable, the logistics have to be rejigged, which takes time and effort,

NEWS FLASH: Sloman AGREES WITH FLYGUY!!!!

Flyguy always thinks that anything that gets posted agrees with his demented ideas. His reading comprehension seems to be designed to keep him happy rather than to collect any actual information from the stuff he cast his eyes over.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney