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It depends on what you mean by "grounding yourself". Touching the case onceI am assuming grounding myself on the grounded PSU
case would be sufficient, correct?
....the light being off, being the indication.Don't forget before you remove or add components to the
mainboard to let the 5V supply drain. Most mainboards
have a green LED to indicate when it's safe to make
hardware changes...
So that means since you were the only one to pick up on this thatMeat Plow Inscribed thus:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:59:29 +0000, Baron wrote:
D Inscribed thus:
I notice that no one in this whole thread has mentioned taking
suitable precautions against causing damage from static discharge !
And in your opinion, this indicates what?
Ignorance ! An awful lot of the new build failures that I see are from
people who have no understanding of how easy it is to cause damage to
components simply from not being aware that damage can occur during
handling.
I've damaged things with ESD. Just because myself or anyone else didn'tMeat Plow Inscribed thus:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:16:06 -0700, William Sommerwerck wrote:
I notice that no one in this whole thread has mentioned taking
suitable precautions against causing damage from static discharge!
It's implicit. It's assumed anyone who wants to do this knows the
routine.
I would suspect that based on the OP question, that might not be a safe
assumption.
That's what I thought also. You need to be aware of ESD precautions
before you experiment with most modern electronics. I've been using an
anti-static mat and wristband for a good 25 years. I've run my fair
share of computer equipment while testing components using a
motherboard set atop a non-conductive surface.
I don't disagree. But then you and I have been doing this kind of work
for a good many years. I'll bet that you will have had odd failures,
particularly in the early years that you couldn't explain. ;-)
Keeping a hand on an earth ground always helps. Don't forget before youOn 3/22/2011 12:41 PM, Baron wrote:
Meat Plow Inscribed thus:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:16:06 -0700, William Sommerwerck wrote:
I notice that no one in this whole thread has mentioned taking
suitable precautions against causing damage from static discharge!
It's implicit. It's assumed anyone who wants to do this knows the
routine.
I would suspect that based on the OP question, that might not be a safe
assumption.
That's what I thought also. You need to be aware of ESD precautions
before you experiment with most modern electronics. I've been using an
anti-static mat and wristband for a good 25 years. I've run my fair
share of computer equipment while testing components using a
motherboard set atop a non-conductive surface.
I don't disagree. But then you and I have been doing this kind of work
for a good many years. I'll bet that you will have had odd failures,
particularly in the early years that you couldn't explain. ;-)
I am assuming grounding myself on the grounded PSU case would be
sufficient, correct?
Dan
The point being that any potential difference between you and whateverOn 3/22/2011 12:41 PM, Baron wrote:
Meat Plow Inscribed thus:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:16:06 -0700, William Sommerwerck wrote:
I notice that no one in this whole thread has mentioned taking
suitable precautions against causing damage from static discharge!
It's implicit. It's assumed anyone who wants to do this knows the
routine.
I would suspect that based on the OP question, that might not be a
safe assumption.
That's what I thought also. You need to be aware of ESD precautions
before you experiment with most modern electronics. I've been using
an anti-static mat and wristband for a good 25 years. I've run my
fair share of computer equipment while testing components using a
motherboard set atop a non-conductive surface.
I don't disagree. But then you and I have been doing this kind of
work
for a good many years. I'll bet that you will have had odd failures,
particularly in the early years that you couldn't explain. ;-)
I am assuming grounding myself on the grounded PSU case would be
sufficient, correct?
Dan
Meat Plow Inscribed thus:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:59:29 +0000, Baron wrote:
D Inscribed thus:
I notice that no one in this whole thread has mentioned taking
suitable precautions against causing damage from static discharge !
And in your opinion, this indicates what?
Ignorance ! An awful lot of the new build failures that I see are from
people who have no understanding of how easy it is to cause damage to
components simply from not being aware that damage can occur during
handling.
It seems that all made the assumption that the OP is aware of this. The
original question suggests that the OP isn't !
--
Best Regards:
Baron.
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:41:27 +0000, Baron wrote:
Meat Plow Inscribed thus:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:16:06 -0700, William Sommerwerck wrote:
I notice that no one in this whole thread has mentioned taking
suitable precautions against causing damage from static discharge!
It's implicit. It's assumed anyone who wants to do this knows the
routine.
I would suspect that based on the OP question, that might not be a safe
assumption.
That's what I thought also. You need to be aware of ESD precautions
before you experiment with most modern electronics. I've been using an
anti-static mat and wristband for a good 25 years. I've run my fair
share of computer equipment while testing components using a
motherboard set atop a non-conductive surface.
I don't disagree. But then you and I have been doing this kind of work
for a good many years. I'll bet that you will have had odd failures,
particularly in the early years that you couldn't explain. ;-)
I've damaged things with ESD. Just because myself or anyone else didn't
bring it up in this thread until you did does not make you any better.
Comprende?
I found your reply a bit acerbic and degrading to the group denizens who
might have a few hundred years of combined electronics service
experience.
Well, I'm not a professional like many of the people here, but I have toI don't think static is a common failure mode of bipolar devices. And
no, I'm not saying it never happens, anything is possible. Just not
common, that's all.
Mark Z.
I live outside Seattle, and can't remember the last time I built up a chargeI now live in Seattle which, being more temperate compared to
the winters when I was in central Ohio, seems relatively low-
static (less use of central heating). I haven't had any trouble
yet just grounding myself periodically and being careful.
I agree static damage to bipolar semiconductors is less likely than it"Baron" <baron@linuxmaniac.net> wrote in message
news:imater$bnk$1@news.eternal-september.org...
Meat Plow Inscribed thus:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:59:29 +0000, Baron wrote:
D Inscribed thus:
I notice that no one in this whole thread has mentioned taking
suitable precautions against causing damage from static discharge !
And in your opinion, this indicates what?
Ignorance ! An awful lot of the new build failures that I see are
from people who have no understanding of how easy it is to cause
damage to components simply from not being aware that damage can
occur during handling.
It seems that all made the assumption that the OP is aware of this.
The original question suggests that the OP isn't !
--
Best Regards:
Baron.
I don't think static is a common failure mode of bipolar devices. And
no, I'm not saying it never happens, anything is possible. Just not
common, that's all.
Mark Z.
Good ! Its nice to hear of successful outcomes.On 3/22/2011 6:43 PM, Mark Zacharias wrote:
I don't think static is a common failure mode of bipolar devices. And
no, I'm not saying it never happens, anything is possible. Just not
common, that's all.
Mark Z.
Well, I'm not a professional like many of the people here, but I have
to say I have done a fair bit of work on the numerous PC's I have
owned (including replacing a bunch of those infamous leaky caps on a
couple MOBOs a few years back), and so far, I haven't had any
difficulties.
Its all relative. You see only the machines that are yours. To someoneI'm not saying it's impossible, but I would also think
it's pretty rare.
Its wise to be aware of this invisible hazard and to take precautions toI now live in Seattle which, being more temperate compared to the
winters when I was in central Ohio, seems relatively low-static (less
use of central heating). I haven't had any trouble yet just grounding
myself periodically and being careful.
Dan