Rowan Atkinson Opinion On EVs...

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 3:31:22 PM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Wed, 7 Jun 2023 07:37:22 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
bot Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in
a0ac15a8-d3ec-446a...@googlegroups.com>:

You really are a gibbering idiot. Not perhaps as far gone as Flyguy, but getting there.

Must be your influence.

Seems unlikely. I can only influence moderately clever people. and you aren\'t clever at all.

> Lemme experiment with bill sloman in the filters to protect myself !

From being made aware of how much of an idiot you are? Your idiocy is all the protection you need.

I will never see your posting nor anyone replying to it
Zero electronics content anyways.

None of the kind you are interested in. The more complicated stuff goes over your head.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 4:56:33 PM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 05:22:35 GMT, Jan Panteltje <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 07 Jun 2023 07:22:00 -0700) it happened John Larkin <jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in <qe418i1ao9hga3gdb...@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 07 Jun 2023 05:01:42 GMT, Jan Panteltje <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 6 Jun 2023 15:19:04 -0400) it happened bitrex <us....@example.net> wrote in <JELfM.5$kHz...@fx15.iad>:
On 6/6/2023 1:33 PM, Ricky wrote:
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 8:08:33 AM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:

<snip>

I don\'t think any humans will ever live self-sustaining in space or on
another planet.

And humans could never fly, as they were heavier than air.

It was obvious that birds and bees and paper airplanes fly.

They are quite a bit smaller than we are.

It may take a while.. we could perhaps send our DNA or something to the stars and see what comes of it and then fight them in wars?
Now there IS an opportunity for the US Military Industrial Complex !

No nearby planet is habitable.

Neither is the moon. US astronauts survived a short visit anyway.

> No star is within reach.

With current technology.

Our DNA wouldn\'t survive for long in space, what with cosmic ray damage.

Even humans might not survive a one-way trip to Mars.

Orbiting astronauts have spent many months in space. You don\'t seem to be paying attention.

> Mars has no mag field, so doesn\'t get the cosmic ray shielding that Earth does.

The Earth\'s magnet field doesn\'t shield us against cosmic rays. It\'s more effective against charged particles from the sun, which aren\'t moving as fast.

Once you get to Mars you can dig up a bit of Martian dirt and shelter under that.

> There\'s nothing to breathe or eat there either.

But plenty of stuff that could be processed to provide food and oxygen. A technologist would know about that. A pig-ignorant Trump-fan might not.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Wed, 07 Jun 2023 23:56:17 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
<27u28ih9fj70crhbcoartdgbtiflki81hq@4ax.com>:

On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 05:22:35 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
Humanity\'s only chance for survival in the long run is space, other planets, galaxies.

I don\'t think any humans will ever live self-sustaining in space or on
another planet.

And humans could never fly, as they were heavier than air.

It was obvious that birds and bees and paper airplanes fly.

It may take a while.. we could perhaps send our DNA or something to the stars
and see what comes of it and then fight them in wars?
Now there IS an opportunity for the US Military Industrial Complex !



No nearby planet is habitable. No star is within reach. Our DNA

There are several moons orbiting our planets that may well have
water and reasonable temperatures.

wouldn\'t survive for long in space, what with cosmic ray damage. Even
humans might not survive a one-way trip to Mars.

Of course to reduce radiation exposure we must use nuclear propulsion for far away trips.
There are more methods to reduce exposure to high energy charged particles,
both by creating a magnetic field and by using stuff found on the new locations
to build shelters.
Going underground has been suggested as a good way.

As to DNA not surviving in space, experiments have been done with life forms on the outside of the ISS
and those were still alive after many weeks ..

Life is just a self assembling process, like electrons protons and neutrons forming our elements,
those then forming more complex things, finally (likely more an in-between step) us,
and now us assembling cell-phones and the like, and maybe AI doing something
we have not even been able to imagine...
Ever more complex and fantastic.

Mars has no mag field, so doesn\'t get the cosmic ray shielding that
Earth does.

See what I wrote
May I suggest you read up on published work, not just your usual books.
As to life on Mars, the late Dr Levin\'s experiment on the Vikinger lander was positive for life:
http://www.gillevin.com/

But NASA, partly funded by Republicans that believe earth was created 4000 years ago and believe in Adam and Eve
and STILL today teach that to their kids will NEVER admit to a positive for life test
and deliberately land rovers on places where there is the least possibility to find any.
This is the religious denial.
NASA just a job creation program: some guys doing acrobatics while driving around the block.
Job creation taxes burning useless crap, like that Boeing space thing that still needs to fly people to that same ISS
READ what\'s going on.
In the sixties we could fly to the moon and back...
Decline! Technological decline!
The only hope is on China these days, they have a Mars lender too and are not hampered AFAIK by religious dogma.
May I suggest (but I know you are very busy switching resistors?) you read
https://www.sciencedaily.com/
https://www.space.com/
https://arstechnica.com/
on a maybe daily basis

I watch NASA TV every now and then on Hotbird 13 East satellite, I am sure \'merricans can get it too somehow, maybe via internet.
There are very good free to air science programs here on some German TV channels.
Recently I did see the best one about nuclear power I\'ve seen since my school days.
all the ways from Uraninite, also known as pitchblende, to the bombs on Japan.
One can wonder if not the next logical step for Russia is to nuke Kiev..
US will declare it a war crime, but then who dared object to US nuking Japan in WW2?
War crimes all over, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, now burning Ukrainians,
just to get some more buyers? No people, no money, no buyers, no usable land.
US Mafia




>There\'s nothing to breathe or eat there either.

Growing plants in a water culture is no problem, has been done, also on the ISS.
Plenty vegetarians on earth.

Most if not all technological hurdles to live on other worlds have been solved for long ago.

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 09:12:45 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

On a sunny day (Wed, 07 Jun 2023 23:56:17 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
27u28ih9fj70crhbcoartdgbtiflki81hq@4ax.com>:

On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 05:22:35 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
Humanity\'s only chance for survival in the long run is space, other planets, galaxies.

I don\'t think any humans will ever live self-sustaining in space or on
another planet.

And humans could never fly, as they were heavier than air.

It was obvious that birds and bees and paper airplanes fly.

It may take a while.. we could perhaps send our DNA or something to the stars
and see what comes of it and then fight them in wars?
Now there IS an opportunity for the US Military Industrial Complex !



No nearby planet is habitable. No star is within reach. Our DNA

There are several moons orbiting our planets that may well have
water and reasonable temperatures.


wouldn\'t survive for long in space, what with cosmic ray damage. Even
humans might not survive a one-way trip to Mars.

Of course to reduce radiation exposure we must use nuclear propulsion for far away trips.
There are more methods to reduce exposure to high energy charged particles,
both by creating a magnetic field and by using stuff found on the new locations
to build shelters.
Going underground has been suggested as a good way.

As to DNA not surviving in space, experiments have been done with life forms on the outside of the ISS
and those were still alive after many weeks ..

Life is just a self assembling process, like electrons protons and neutrons forming our elements,
those then forming more complex things, finally (likely more an in-between step) us,
and now us assembling cell-phones and the like, and maybe AI doing something
we have not even been able to imagine...
Ever more complex and fantastic.


Mars has no mag field, so doesn\'t get the cosmic ray shielding that
Earth does.

See what I wrote
May I suggest you read up on published work, not just your usual books.
As to life on Mars, the late Dr Levin\'s experiment on the Vikinger lander was positive for life:
http://www.gillevin.com/

But NASA, partly funded by Republicans that believe earth was created 4000 years ago and believe in Adam and Eve
and STILL today teach that to their kids will NEVER admit to a positive for life test
and deliberately land rovers on places where there is the least possibility to find any.
This is the religious denial.
NASA just a job creation program: some guys doing acrobatics while driving around the block.
Job creation taxes burning useless crap, like that Boeing space thing that still needs to fly people to that same ISS
READ what\'s going on.

I agree that NASA is mostly a money burning PR enterprise, and the
Boeing SLA is absurd. Wiki says

Cost per launch: Over US$2 billion excluding development (estimate)

to ship spam-in-a-can into vacuum. They\'ll probably kill more
astronauts.


>In the sixties we could fly to the moon and back...

Which accomplished nothing.

Decline! Technological decline!
The only hope is on China these days, they have a Mars lender too and are not hampered AFAIK by religious dogma.

China should feed its kids first.

May I suggest (but I know you are very busy switching resistors?) you read
https://www.sciencedaily.com/
https://www.space.com/
https://arstechnica.com/
on a maybe daily basis

I do see the science news, which is 98% nonsense. I check the tech
news more, keeping up with technology, markets, and components. That\'s
a lot of work.

I watch NASA TV every now and then on Hotbird 13 East satellite, I am sure \'merricans can get it too somehow, maybe via internet.
There are very good free to air science programs here on some German TV channels.
Recently I did see the best one about nuclear power I\'ve seen since my school days.
all the ways from Uraninite, also known as pitchblende, to the bombs on Japan.
One can wonder if not the next logical step for Russia is to nuke Kiev..
US will declare it a war crime, but then who dared object to US nuking Japan in WW2?
War crimes all over, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, now burning Ukrainians,
just to get some more buyers? No people, no money, no buyers, no usable land.
US Mafia




There\'s nothing to breathe or eat there either.

Growing plants in a water culture is no problem, has been done, also on the ISS.
Plenty vegetarians on earth.

Most if not all technological hurdles to live on other worlds have been solved for long ago.

A colony on the moon or Mars would die out without constant deliveries
from earth. The ISS can\'t grow enough food to feed even one crew
member.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 11:54:26 PM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 09:12:45 GMT, Jan Panteltje <al...@comet.invalid> wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 07 Jun 2023 23:56:17 -0700) it happened John Larkin <jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in <27u28ih9fj70crhbc...@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 05:22:35 GMT, Jan Panteltje <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

<snip>

> >But NASA, partly funded by Republicans that believe earth was created 4000 years ago and believe in Adam and Eve and STILL today teach that to their kids will NEVER admit to a positive for life test and deliberately land rovers on places where there is the least possibility to find any.

I rather doubt that the Republican influence reaches that deeply into NASA.

> >This is the religious denial.

There are fundamentalist lunatics in the Republican Partybut their unfluence is diluted by all the other lunatics.

> >NASA just a job creation program: some guys doing acrobatics while driving around the block.

Any blue skies research program has that element, but NASA has managed to do rather more than that, even if Jan Pateltje hasn\'t noticed.

Job creation taxes burning useless crap, like that Boeing space thing that still needs to fly people to that same ISS
READ what\'s going on.

Not something that Jan Panteltje can manage. You have to know something about what\'s going on to make sense of what is published, and you have to share his idiot misconceptions to misunderstand it in the same way that he does..

I agree that NASA is mostly a money burning PR enterprise, and the
Boeing SLA is absurd. Wiki says

Cost per launch: Over US$2 billion excluding development (estimate) to ship spam-in-a-can into vacuum. They\'ll probably kill more astronauts.

It\'s a risky and expensive business, but that doesn\'t automatically make it a bad idea.

In the sixties we could fly to the moon and back...

Which accomplished nothing.

Actual moon rocks were sort of informative, not that John Larkin is interested in that kind of information.

> >Decline! Technological decline!

Not actually. It\'s not the kind of visit you need to make at regular intervals, and NASA seems to be planning to go back soon, and stay for longer.

> >The only hope is on China these days, they have a Mars lender too and are not hampered AFAIK by religious dogma.

China has political dogma instead.

> China should feed its kids first.

It\'s been doing pretty well at that in recent years.

<snip>

> I do see the science news, which is 98% nonsense. I check the tech news more, keeping up with technology, markets, and components. That\'s a lot of work.

John Larkin skipped a lot of his science lectures when he was at university - and Tulane wasn\'t exactly a science power house. He can\'t understand 98% of what he reads because he doesn\'t know enough, so it is nonsense to him.

<snipped Jan being as silly as usual >

There\'s nothing to breathe or eat there either.

Growing plants in a water culture is no problem, has been done, also on the ISS.
Plenty vegetarians on earth.

Most if not all technological hurdles to live on other worlds have been solved for long ago.

A colony on the moon or Mars would die out without constant deliveries.from earth. The ISS can\'t grow enough food to feed even one crew member.

If John Larkin was running the hydroponic farm in the moon or Mars base it probably would.

The moon and Mars could be mined for rather more material than near-earth orbital space, but John Larkin doesn\'t seem to be aware of that.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Thu, 08 Jun 2023 06:54:04 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
<amm38itcjof2keviavo924qe9bdncsdpur@4ax.com>:

On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 09:12:45 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid
wrote:

On a sunny day (Wed, 07 Jun 2023 23:56:17 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
27u28ih9fj70crhbcoartdgbtiflki81hq@4ax.com>:

On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 05:22:35 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
Humanity\'s only chance for survival in the long run is space, other planets, galaxies.

I don\'t think any humans will ever live self-sustaining in space or on
another planet.

And humans could never fly, as they were heavier than air.

It was obvious that birds and bees and paper airplanes fly.

It may take a while.. we could perhaps send our DNA or something to the stars
and see what comes of it and then fight them in wars?
Now there IS an opportunity for the US Military Industrial Complex !



No nearby planet is habitable. No star is within reach. Our DNA

There are several moons orbiting our planets that may well have
water and reasonable temperatures.


wouldn\'t survive for long in space, what with cosmic ray damage. Even
humans might not survive a one-way trip to Mars.

Of course to reduce radiation exposure we must use nuclear propulsion for far away trips.
There are more methods to reduce exposure to high energy charged particles,
both by creating a magnetic field and by using stuff found on the new locations
to build shelters.
Going underground has been suggested as a good way.

As to DNA not surviving in space, experiments have been done with life forms on the outside of the ISS
and those were still alive after many weeks ..

Life is just a self assembling process, like electrons protons and neutrons forming our elements,
those then forming more complex things, finally (likely more an in-between step) us,
and now us assembling cell-phones and the like, and maybe AI doing something
we have not even been able to imagine...
Ever more complex and fantastic.


Mars has no mag field, so doesn\'t get the cosmic ray shielding that
Earth does.

See what I wrote
May I suggest you read up on published work, not just your usual books.
As to life on Mars, the late Dr Levin\'s experiment on the Vikinger lander was positive for life:
http://www.gillevin.com/

But NASA, partly funded by Republicans that believe earth was created 4000 years ago and believe in Adam and Eve
and STILL today teach that to their kids will NEVER admit to a positive for life test
and deliberately land rovers on places where there is the least possibility to find any.
This is the religious denial.
NASA just a job creation program: some guys doing acrobatics while driving around the block.
Job creation taxes burning useless crap, like that Boeing space thing that still needs to fly people to that same ISS
READ what\'s going on.

I agree that NASA is mostly a money burning PR enterprise, and the
Boeing SLA is absurd. Wiki says

Cost per launch: Over US$2 billion excluding development (estimate)

to ship spam-in-a-can into vacuum. They\'ll probably kill more
astronauts.


In the sixties we could fly to the moon and back...

Which accomplished nothing.

Well, it proved we could leave the planet and come back alive.
It also united us earthlings in big way.

Decline! Technological decline!
The only hope is on China these days, they have a Mars lender too and are not hampered AFAIK by religious dogma.

China should feed its kids first.

I dunno, I see google shows something different:
https://china.usc.edu/china-us-and-hungry-world

And housing is better in China, not many homeless:
https://www.quora.com/Does-China-or-the-USA-have-a-higher-rate-of-homelessness
I have read in LA they are camping on the beach?

May I suggest (but I know you are very busy switching resistors?) you read
https://www.sciencedaily.com/
https://www.space.com/
https://arstechnica.com/
on a maybe daily basis

I do see the science news, which is 98% nonsense. I check the tech
news more, keeping up with technology, markets, and components. That\'s
a lot of work.



I watch NASA TV every now and then on Hotbird 13 East satellite, I am sure \'merricans can get it too somehow, maybe via
internet.
There are very good free to air science programs here on some German TV channels.
Recently I did see the best one about nuclear power I\'ve seen since my school days.
all the ways from Uraninite, also known as pitchblende, to the bombs on Japan.
One can wonder if not the next logical step for Russia is to nuke Kiev..
US will declare it a war crime, but then who dared object to US nuking Japan in WW2?
War crimes all over, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, now burning Ukrainians,
just to get some more buyers? No people, no money, no buyers, no usable land.
US Mafia




There\'s nothing to breathe or eat there either.

Growing plants in a water culture is no problem, has been done, also on the ISS.
Plenty vegetarians on earth.

Most if not all technological hurdles to live on other worlds have been solved for long ago.

A colony on the moon or Mars would die out without constant deliveries
from earth. The ISS can\'t grow enough food to feed even one crew
member.

ISS was never designed to be self-sustainable.

NASA is working on that:
What would it take to build a self-sustaining colony on Mars?
https://blog.richardvanhooijdonk.com/en/what-would-it-take-to-build-a-self-sustaining-colony-on-mars/


Its all simple technology, nothing mystical.
Where there is a will there is a way my father used to say.

To go to the moon - the [political] will was there to beat the Russians after Sputnik showed them reaching orbit -
Now its all about job creation...

 

[Ricky]

On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 5:12:54 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Wed, 07 Jun 2023 23:56:17 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
27u28ih9fj70crhbc...@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 05:22:35 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Humanity\'s only chance for survival in the long run is space, other planets, galaxies.

I don\'t think any humans will ever live self-sustaining in space or on
another planet.

And humans could never fly, as they were heavier than air.

It was obvious that birds and bees and paper airplanes fly.

It may take a while.. we could perhaps send our DNA or something to the stars
and see what comes of it and then fight them in wars?
Now there IS an opportunity for the US Military Industrial Complex !



No nearby planet is habitable. No star is within reach. Our DNA
There are several moons orbiting our planets that may well have
water and reasonable temperatures.

Necessary, but not sufficient conditions for life.

wouldn\'t survive for long in space, what with cosmic ray damage. Even
humans might not survive a one-way trip to Mars.
Of course to reduce radiation exposure we must use nuclear propulsion for far away trips.
There are more methods to reduce exposure to high energy charged particles,
both by creating a magnetic field and by using stuff found on the new locations
to build shelters.

Which is very difficult to do while in space. Transporting mass is very expensive and creating large magnetic fields takes a lot of mass. That\'s why we tend to not use nuclear materials for manned missions, the shielding is far too massive.

Going underground has been suggested as a good way.

As to DNA not surviving in space, experiments have been done with life forms on the outside of the ISS
and those were still alive after many weeks ..

Life is just a self assembling process, like electrons protons and neutrons forming our elements,
those then forming more complex things, finally (likely more an in-between step) us,
and now us assembling cell-phones and the like, and maybe AI doing something
we have not even been able to imagine...
Ever more complex and fantastic.
Mars has no mag field, so doesn\'t get the cosmic ray shielding that
Earth does.
See what I wrote
May I suggest you read up on published work, not just your usual books.
As to life on Mars, the late Dr Levin\'s experiment on the Vikinger lander was positive for life:
http://www.gillevin.com/

What about the scientist who thought a meteorite carried fossilized life from Mars?

But NASA, partly funded by Republicans that believe earth was created 4000 years ago and believe in Adam and Eve
and STILL today teach that to their kids will NEVER admit to a positive for life test
and deliberately land rovers on places where there is the least possibility to find any.

Which you know the reason for. No one who actually believes the Bible, believes we landed on the moon. That would be in direct opposition.

This is the religious denial.
NASA just a job creation program: some guys doing acrobatics while driving around the block.
Job creation taxes burning useless crap, like that Boeing space thing that still needs to fly people to that same ISS
READ what\'s going on.
In the sixties we could fly to the moon and back...

The fact that we don\'t continue to do something, doesn\'t mean we can\'t. Sending people to the moon was very, very expensive and gave us relatively little in comparison. Going to Mars is the same, only much more so.

Decline! Technological decline!
The only hope is on China these days, they have a Mars lender too and are not hampered AFAIK by religious dogma.
May I suggest (but I know you are very busy switching resistors?) you read
https://www.sciencedaily.com/
https://www.space.com/
https://arstechnica.com/
on a maybe daily basis

I watch NASA TV every now and then on Hotbird 13 East satellite, I am sure \'merricans can get it too somehow, maybe via internet.
There are very good free to air science programs here on some German TV channels.
Recently I did see the best one about nuclear power I\'ve seen since my school days.
all the ways from Uraninite, also known as pitchblende, to the bombs on Japan.
One can wonder if not the next logical step for Russia is to nuke Kiev..
US will declare it a war crime, but then who dared object to US nuking Japan in WW2?
War crimes all over, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, now burning Ukrainians,
just to get some more buyers? No people, no money, no buyers, no usable land.
US Mafia
There\'s nothing to breathe or eat there either.
Growing plants in a water culture is no problem, has been done, also on the ISS.

Grown in water supplimented with various nutrients. When the nutrients are exhausted, the plants stop growing.

Plenty vegetarians on earth.

Most if not all technological hurdles to live on other worlds have been solved for long ago.

For someone who appears to be fairly intelligent, you say so many things that are wrong. Or, more accurately, you say a lot of things that sound good, but are actually very wrong, mostly because they are not complete.

--

Rick C.

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[John Larkin]

On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 16:07:10 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 08 Jun 2023 06:54:04 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
amm38itcjof2keviavo924qe9bdncsdpur@4ax.com>:

On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 09:12:45 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid
wrote:

On a sunny day (Wed, 07 Jun 2023 23:56:17 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
27u28ih9fj70crhbcoartdgbtiflki81hq@4ax.com>:

On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 05:22:35 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
Humanity\'s only chance for survival in the long run is space, other planets, galaxies.

I don\'t think any humans will ever live self-sustaining in space or on
another planet.

And humans could never fly, as they were heavier than air.

It was obvious that birds and bees and paper airplanes fly.

It may take a while.. we could perhaps send our DNA or something to the stars
and see what comes of it and then fight them in wars?
Now there IS an opportunity for the US Military Industrial Complex !



No nearby planet is habitable. No star is within reach. Our DNA

There are several moons orbiting our planets that may well have
water and reasonable temperatures.


wouldn\'t survive for long in space, what with cosmic ray damage. Even
humans might not survive a one-way trip to Mars.

Of course to reduce radiation exposure we must use nuclear propulsion for far away trips.
There are more methods to reduce exposure to high energy charged particles,
both by creating a magnetic field and by using stuff found on the new locations
to build shelters.
Going underground has been suggested as a good way.

As to DNA not surviving in space, experiments have been done with life forms on the outside of the ISS
and those were still alive after many weeks ..

Life is just a self assembling process, like electrons protons and neutrons forming our elements,
those then forming more complex things, finally (likely more an in-between step) us,
and now us assembling cell-phones and the like, and maybe AI doing something
we have not even been able to imagine...
Ever more complex and fantastic.


Mars has no mag field, so doesn\'t get the cosmic ray shielding that
Earth does.

See what I wrote
May I suggest you read up on published work, not just your usual books.
As to life on Mars, the late Dr Levin\'s experiment on the Vikinger lander was positive for life:
http://www.gillevin.com/

But NASA, partly funded by Republicans that believe earth was created 4000 years ago and believe in Adam and Eve
and STILL today teach that to their kids will NEVER admit to a positive for life test
and deliberately land rovers on places where there is the least possibility to find any.
This is the religious denial.
NASA just a job creation program: some guys doing acrobatics while driving around the block.
Job creation taxes burning useless crap, like that Boeing space thing that still needs to fly people to that same ISS
READ what\'s going on.

I agree that NASA is mostly a money burning PR enterprise, and the
Boeing SLA is absurd. Wiki says

Cost per launch: Over US$2 billion excluding development (estimate)

to ship spam-in-a-can into vacuum. They\'ll probably kill more
astronauts.


In the sixties we could fly to the moon and back...

Which accomplished nothing.

Well, it proved we could leave the planet and come back alive.
It also united us earthlings in big way.



Decline! Technological decline!
The only hope is on China these days, they have a Mars lender too and are not hampered AFAIK by religious dogma.

China should feed its kids first.

I dunno, I see google shows something different:
https://china.usc.edu/china-us-and-hungry-world

And housing is better in China, not many homeless:
https://www.quora.com/Does-China-or-the-USA-have-a-higher-rate-of-homelessness
I have read in LA they are camping on the beach?


May I suggest (but I know you are very busy switching resistors?) you read
https://www.sciencedaily.com/
https://www.space.com/
https://arstechnica.com/
on a maybe daily basis

I do see the science news, which is 98% nonsense. I check the tech
news more, keeping up with technology, markets, and components. That\'s
a lot of work.



I watch NASA TV every now and then on Hotbird 13 East satellite, I am sure \'merricans can get it too somehow, maybe via
internet.
There are very good free to air science programs here on some German TV channels.
Recently I did see the best one about nuclear power I\'ve seen since my school days.
all the ways from Uraninite, also known as pitchblende, to the bombs on Japan.
One can wonder if not the next logical step for Russia is to nuke Kiev..
US will declare it a war crime, but then who dared object to US nuking Japan in WW2?
War crimes all over, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, now burning Ukrainians,
just to get some more buyers? No people, no money, no buyers, no usable land.
US Mafia




There\'s nothing to breathe or eat there either.

Growing plants in a water culture is no problem, has been done, also on the ISS.
Plenty vegetarians on earth.

Most if not all technological hurdles to live on other worlds have been solved for long ago.

A colony on the moon or Mars would die out without constant deliveries
from earth. The ISS can\'t grow enough food to feed even one crew
member.

ISS was never designed to be self-sustainable.

NASA is working on that:
What would it take to build a self-sustaining colony on Mars?
https://blog.richardvanhooijdonk.com/en/what-would-it-take-to-build-a-self-sustaining-colony-on-mars/

Preposterous way to spend billions, or trillions.

Its all simple technology, nothing mystical.
Where there is a will there is a way my father used to say.

To go to the moon - the [political] will was there to beat the Russians after Sputnik showed them reaching orbit -
Now its all about job creation...

Boots on the moon was never about science. It was nationalistic
posturing. Robots could have brought back moon dirt, which turned out
to be not terribly interesting.

Employing scientific and engineering talent in useless make-work
projects is a double waste to any country, especially a poor one.
Maybe the North Koreans will start a moon landing project and starve
another million people.

I designed flight hardware for the S1B moon rocket booster stage. I
don\'t think that program really did much good. Actually, one box used
a time-stamp technology that I use in some of my products, but I would
have re-invented that anyhow.

 

[whit3rd]

On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 12:31:24 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 16:07:10 GMT, Jan Panteltje <al...@comet.invalid
wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 08 Jun 2023 06:54:04 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
amm38itcjof2kevia...@4ax.com>:

On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 09:12:45 GMT, Jan Panteltje <al...@comet.invalid
wrote:

Boots on the moon was never about science. It was nationalistic
posturing. Robots could have brought back moon dirt, which turned out
to be not terribly interesting.

Employing scientific and engineering talent in useless make-work
projects is a double waste to any country, especially a poor one.

Hard to know what \'useless\' means, though. Any good welder
does a lot of test coupons which are not, of themselves, useful;
that\'s a matter of maintaining professional standards.

All education looks useless, if you consider only the products
that aren\'t internal to the students\' minds.

Even \'nationalistic posturing\' has a use: it encourages pride in one\'s work..

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Thu, 8 Jun 2023 09:21:50 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ricky
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
<26d881de-91b9-4712-9f08-265eed2b2a09n@googlegroups.com>:

On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 5:12:54 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 07 Jun 2023 23:56:17 -0700) it happened John Larkin=

jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
27u28ih9fj70crhbc...@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 05:22:35 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Humanity\'s only chance for survival in the long run is space, other p=
lanets, galaxies.

I don\'t think any humans will ever live self-sustaining in space or on=

another planet.

And humans could never fly, as they were heavier than air.

It was obvious that birds and bees and paper airplanes fly.

It may take a while.. we could perhaps send our DNA or something to the=
stars
and see what comes of it and then fight them in wars?
Now there IS an opportunity for the US Military Industrial Complex !



No nearby planet is habitable. No star is within reach. Our DNA
There are several moons orbiting our planets that may well have
water and reasonable temperatures.

Necessary, but not sufficient conditions for life.


wouldn\'t survive for long in space, what with cosmic ray damage. Even
humans might not survive a one-way trip to Mars.
Of course to reduce radiation exposure we must use nuclear propulsion for=
far away trips.
There are more methods to reduce exposure to high energy charged particle=
s,
both by creating a magnetic field and by using stuff found on the new loc=
ations
to build shelters.

Which is very difficult to do while in space. Transporting mass is very ex=
pensive and creating large magnetic fields takes a lot of mass. That\'s why =
we tend to not use nuclear materials for manned missions, the shielding is =
far too massive.


Going underground has been suggested as a good way.

As to DNA not surviving in space, experiments have been done with life fo=
rms on the outside of the ISS
and those were still alive after many weeks ..

Life is just a self assembling process, like electrons protons and neutro=
ns forming our elements,
those then forming more complex things, finally (likely more an in-betwee=
n step) us,
and now us assembling cell-phones and the like, and maybe AI doing someth=
ing
we have not even been able to imagine...
Ever more complex and fantastic.
Mars has no mag field, so doesn\'t get the cosmic ray shielding that
Earth does.
See what I wrote
May I suggest you read up on published work, not just your usual books.=

As to life on Mars, the late Dr Levin\'s experiment on the Vikinger lander=
was positive for life:
http://www.gillevin.com/

What about the scientist who thought a meteorite carried fossilized life fr=
om Mars?


But NASA, partly funded by Republicans that believe earth was created 400=
0 years ago and believe in Adam and Eve
and STILL today teach that to their kids will NEVER admit to a positive f=
or life test
and deliberately land rovers on places where there is the least possibili=
ty to find any.

Which you know the reason for. No one who actually believes the Bible, bel=
ieves we landed on the moon. That would be in direct opposition.


This is the religious denial.
NASA just a job creation program: some guys doing acrobatics while drivin=
g around the block.
Job creation taxes burning useless crap, like that Boeing space thing tha=
t still needs to fly people to that same ISS
READ what\'s going on.
In the sixties we could fly to the moon and back...

The fact that we don\'t continue to do something, doesn\'t mean we can\'t. Se=
nding people to the moon was very, very expensive and gave us relatively li=
ttle in comparison. Going to Mars is the same, only much more so.


Decline! Technological decline!
The only hope is on China these days, they have a Mars lender too and are=
not hampered AFAIK by religious dogma.
May I suggest (but I know you are very busy switching resistors?) you rea=
d
https://www.sciencedaily.com/
https://www.space.com/
https://arstechnica.com/
on a maybe daily basis

I watch NASA TV every now and then on Hotbird 13 East satellite, I am sur=
e \'merricans can get it too somehow, maybe via internet.
There are very good free to air science programs here on some German TV c=
hannels.
Recently I did see the best one about nuclear power I\'ve seen since my sc=
hool days.
all the ways from Uraninite, also known as pitchblende, to the bombs on J=
apan.
One can wonder if not the next logical step for Russia is to nuke Kiev..=

US will declare it a war crime, but then who dared object to US nuking Ja=
pan in WW2?
War crimes all over, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, now burning Ukrainians,=

just to get some more buyers? No people, no money, no buyers, no usable l=
and.
US Mafia
There\'s nothing to breathe or eat there either.
Growing plants in a water culture is no problem, has been done, also on t=
he ISS.

Grown in water supplimented with various nutrients. When the nutrients are=
exhausted, the plants stop growing.


Plenty vegetarians on earth.

Most if not all technological hurdles to live on other worlds have been s=
olved for long ago.

For someone who appears to be fairly intelligent, you say so many things th=
at are wrong. Or, more accurately, you say a lot of things that sound good=
, but are actually very wrong, mostly because they are not complete.

Get a nuclear power plant going
Light, heat, cooling, for many years, same for making a magnetic field
Bring some chicken and eggs along, grow some seeds to feed those..
Energy is all you need.
Weight is not important, bring it to space one by one, little by little.
It is the nuculear fear that has stopped NASA\'s nuclear propulsion projects.
I have a plant here that has been getting tap water only for >20 years...
There is plenty stuff in Martian soil, maybe you can even cook the lifeforms there!
Columbus... pioneering, somebody, likely China now, will do it.
The new world social system!!
And then poor US will have to fight it...
BTW I was reading Tesla Bioweapon filters are saving NewYorkers from air pollution these days...

The world is full of na sayers.
Don\'t lisen to them, finding solutions is more fun.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Thu, 08 Jun 2023 09:31:08 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
<1bv38iha5s7r3s70ob33qpfvabnnef4fbm@4ax.com>:

On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 16:07:10 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid
wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 08 Jun 2023 06:54:04 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
amm38itcjof2keviavo924qe9bdncsdpur@4ax.com>:

On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 09:12:45 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid
wrote:

On a sunny day (Wed, 07 Jun 2023 23:56:17 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
27u28ih9fj70crhbcoartdgbtiflki81hq@4ax.com>:

On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 05:22:35 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
Humanity\'s only chance for survival in the long run is space, other planets, galaxies.

I don\'t think any humans will ever live self-sustaining in space or on
another planet.

And humans could never fly, as they were heavier than air.

It was obvious that birds and bees and paper airplanes fly.

It may take a while.. we could perhaps send our DNA or something to the stars
and see what comes of it and then fight them in wars?
Now there IS an opportunity for the US Military Industrial Complex !



No nearby planet is habitable. No star is within reach. Our DNA

There are several moons orbiting our planets that may well have
water and reasonable temperatures.


wouldn\'t survive for long in space, what with cosmic ray damage. Even
humans might not survive a one-way trip to Mars.

Of course to reduce radiation exposure we must use nuclear propulsion for far away trips.
There are more methods to reduce exposure to high energy charged particles,
both by creating a magnetic field and by using stuff found on the new locations
to build shelters.
Going underground has been suggested as a good way.

As to DNA not surviving in space, experiments have been done with life forms on the outside of the ISS
and those were still alive after many weeks ..

Life is just a self assembling process, like electrons protons and neutrons forming our elements,
those then forming more complex things, finally (likely more an in-between step) us,
and now us assembling cell-phones and the like, and maybe AI doing something
we have not even been able to imagine...
Ever more complex and fantastic.


Mars has no mag field, so doesn\'t get the cosmic ray shielding that
Earth does.

See what I wrote
May I suggest you read up on published work, not just your usual books.
As to life on Mars, the late Dr Levin\'s experiment on the Vikinger lander was positive for life:
http://www.gillevin.com/

But NASA, partly funded by Republicans that believe earth was created 4000 years ago and believe in Adam and Eve
and STILL today teach that to their kids will NEVER admit to a positive for life test
and deliberately land rovers on places where there is the least possibility to find any.
This is the religious denial.
NASA just a job creation program: some guys doing acrobatics while driving around the block.
Job creation taxes burning useless crap, like that Boeing space thing that still needs to fly people to that same ISS
READ what\'s going on.

I agree that NASA is mostly a money burning PR enterprise, and the
Boeing SLA is absurd. Wiki says

Cost per launch: Over US$2 billion excluding development (estimate)

to ship spam-in-a-can into vacuum. They\'ll probably kill more
astronauts.


In the sixties we could fly to the moon and back...

Which accomplished nothing.

Well, it proved we could leave the planet and come back alive.
It also united us earthlings in big way.



Decline! Technological decline!
The only hope is on China these days, they have a Mars lender too and are not hampered AFAIK by religious dogma.

China should feed its kids first.

I dunno, I see google shows something different:
https://china.usc.edu/china-us-and-hungry-world

And housing is better in China, not many homeless:
https://www.quora.com/Does-China-or-the-USA-have-a-higher-rate-of-homelessness
I have read in LA they are camping on the beach?


May I suggest (but I know you are very busy switching resistors?) you read
https://www.sciencedaily.com/
https://www.space.com/
https://arstechnica.com/
on a maybe daily basis

I do see the science news, which is 98% nonsense. I check the tech
news more, keeping up with technology, markets, and components. That\'s
a lot of work.



I watch NASA TV every now and then on Hotbird 13 East satellite, I am sure \'merricans can get it too somehow, maybe via
internet.
There are very good free to air science programs here on some German TV channels.
Recently I did see the best one about nuclear power I\'ve seen since my school days.
all the ways from Uraninite, also known as pitchblende, to the bombs on Japan.
One can wonder if not the next logical step for Russia is to nuke Kiev..
US will declare it a war crime, but then who dared object to US nuking Japan in WW2?
War crimes all over, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, now burning Ukrainians,
just to get some more buyers? No people, no money, no buyers, no usable land.
US Mafia




There\'s nothing to breathe or eat there either.

Growing plants in a water culture is no problem, has been done, also on the ISS.
Plenty vegetarians on earth.

Most if not all technological hurdles to live on other worlds have been solved for long ago.

A colony on the moon or Mars would die out without constant deliveries
from earth. The ISS can\'t grow enough food to feed even one crew
member.

ISS was never designed to be self-sustainable.

NASA is working on that:
What would it take to build a self-sustaining colony on Mars?
https://blog.richardvanhooijdonk.com/en/what-would-it-take-to-build-a-self-sustaining-colony-on-mars/

Preposterous way to spend billions, or trillions.



Its all simple technology, nothing mystical.
Where there is a will there is a way my father used to say.

To go to the moon - the [political] will was there to beat the Russians after Sputnik showed them reaching orbit -
Now its all about job creation...

Boots on the moon was never about science. It was nationalistic
posturing. Robots could have brought back moon dirt, which turned out
to be not terribly interesting.

Employing scientific and engineering talent in useless make-work
projects is a double waste to any country, especially a poor one.
Maybe the North Koreans will start a moon landing project and starve
another million people.

I designed flight hardware for the S1B moon rocket booster stage. I
don\'t think that program really did much good. Actually, one box used
a time-stamp technology that I use in some of my products, but I would
have re-invented that anyhow.

Columbus
maybe there is gold on some of those planets, diamonds to I\'ve read.
Gonna need it with dollar no longer the worlds main currency.
Pioneering is good, without Columbus maybe you would not even exist.
Technology is not the problem, political will is.
Much more fun going to planets than like for example going to Vietnam,
may burn less US lives too.

But WW3 .. maybe a long setback for the humming beans will follow....

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 3:29:50 PM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 8 Jun 2023 09:21:50 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote in <26d881de-91b9-4712...@googlegroups.com>:
On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 5:12:54 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 07 Jun 2023 23:56:17 -0700) it happened John Larkin= <jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in <27u28ih9fj70crhbc...@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 05:22:35 GMT, Jan Panteltje <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

<snip>

There\'s nothing to breathe or eat there either.
Growing plants in a water culture is no problem, has been done, also on the ISS.

Grown in water supplimented with various nutrients. When the nutrients are= exhausted, the plants stop growing.

On the moon and Mars there are plenty of rocks around. Getting nutrient out of them may take a bit of chemistry, but wouldn\'t be all that difficult

Plenty vegetarians on earth.

Most if not all technological hurdles to live on other worlds have been solved for long ago.

For someone who appears to be fairly intelligent, you say so many things that are wrong. Or, more accurately, you say a lot of things that sound good but are actually very wrong, mostly because they are not complete.

Get a nuclear power plant going ,

No need. There\'s one hanging in the sky overhead.

Light, heat, cooling, for many years, same for making a magnetic field
Bring some chicken and eggs along, grow some seeds to feed those..
Energy is all you need.
Weight is not important, bring it to space one by one, little by little.
It is the nuclear fear that has stopped NASA\'s nuclear propulsion projects.

Do you want a clear plant launched into space from any place near you? One failed launch would be a lot worse than Chernobyl.

<snip>

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Ricky]

On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 1:29:50 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 8 Jun 2023 09:21:50 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ricky
gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote in
26d881de-91b9-4712...@googlegroups.com>:

For someone who appears to be fairly intelligent, you say so many things th=
at are wrong. Or, more accurately, you say a lot of things that sound good> >, but are actually very wrong, mostly because they are not complete.
Get a nuclear power plant going
Light, heat, cooling, for many years, same for making a magnetic field
Bring some chicken and eggs along, grow some seeds to feed those..
Energy is all you need.
Weight is not important, bring it to space one by one, little by little.
It is the nuculear fear that has stopped NASA\'s nuclear propulsion projects.
I have a plant here that has been getting tap water only for >20 years...

And you eat none of it. Are you going to create a 100% sustainable environment that recycles literally everything? Yeah, that will work. Let us know when you get it done.

There is plenty stuff in Martian soil, maybe you can even cook the lifeforms there!
Columbus... pioneering, somebody, likely China now, will do it.

I\'m certain someone will do it, just as we spent a huge portion of the national budget to land people on the moon. Landing on Mars will be just as useful, but cost hugely more. Maybe even bigly more!

The new world social system!!
And then poor US will have to fight it...
BTW I was reading Tesla Bioweapon filters are saving NewYorkers from air pollution these days...

The world is full of na sayers.
Don\'t lisen to them, finding solutions is more fun.

I notice you never actually find solutions. You dream about them a lot.

--

Rick C.

+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Thu, 8 Jun 2023 23:51:29 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ricky
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
<18d2f03f-5fd1-4ee8-b133-6819b82e2a07n@googlegroups.com>:

On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 1:29:50 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 8 Jun 2023 09:21:50 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ricky=

gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote in
26d881de-91b9-4712...@googlegroups.com>:

For someone who appears to be fairly intelligent, you say so many things=
th=
at are wrong. Or, more accurately, you say a lot of things that sound go=
od=
, but are actually very wrong, mostly because they are not complete.
Get a nuclear power plant going
Light, heat, cooling, for many years, same for making a magnetic field
Bring some chicken and eggs along, grow some seeds to feed those..
Energy is all you need.
Weight is not important, bring it to space one by one, little by little.=

It is the nuculear fear that has stopped NASA\'s nuclear propulsion projec=
ts.
I have a plant here that has been getting tap water only for >20 years...=


And you eat none of it. Are you going to create a 100% sustainable environ=
ment that recycles literally everything? Yeah, that will work. Let us kno=
w when you get it done.


There is plenty stuff in Martian soil, maybe you can even cook the lifefo=
rms there!
Columbus... pioneering, somebody, likely China now, will do it.

I\'m certain someone will do it, just as we spent a huge portion of the nati=
onal budget to land people on the moon. Landing on Mars will be just as us=
eful, but cost hugely more. Maybe even bigly more!


The new world social system!!
And then poor US will have to fight it...
BTW I was reading Tesla Bioweapon filters are saving NewYorkers from air =
pollution these days...

The world is full of na sayers.
Don\'t lisen to them, finding solutions is more fun.

I notice you never actually find solutions. You dream about them a lot.

My website is full of those, both hardware and software.
Your contribution?
Babbling?

 

[Ricky]

On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 5:10:32 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 8 Jun 2023 23:51:29 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ricky
gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote in
18d2f03f-5fd1-4ee8...@googlegroups.com>:
On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 1:29:50 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 8 Jun 2023 09:21:50 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ricky=

gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote in
26d881de-91b9-4712...@googlegroups.com>:

For someone who appears to be fairly intelligent, you say so many things=
th=
at are wrong. Or, more accurately, you say a lot of things that sound go> >od=
, but are actually very wrong, mostly because they are not complete.
Get a nuclear power plant going
Light, heat, cooling, for many years, same for making a magnetic field
Bring some chicken and eggs along, grow some seeds to feed those..
Energy is all you need.
Weight is not important, bring it to space one by one, little by little.=

It is the nuculear fear that has stopped NASA\'s nuclear propulsion projec=
ts.
I have a plant here that has been getting tap water only for >20 years....=


And you eat none of it. Are you going to create a 100% sustainable environ=
ment that recycles literally everything? Yeah, that will work. Let us kno> >w when you get it done.


There is plenty stuff in Martian soil, maybe you can even cook the lifefo> >rms there!
Columbus... pioneering, somebody, likely China now, will do it.

I\'m certain someone will do it, just as we spent a huge portion of the nati=
onal budget to land people on the moon. Landing on Mars will be just as us> >eful, but cost hugely more. Maybe even bigly more!


The new world social system!!
And then poor US will have to fight it...
BTW I was reading Tesla Bioweapon filters are saving NewYorkers from air > >pollution these days...

The world is full of na sayers.
Don\'t lisen to them, finding solutions is more fun.

I notice you never actually find solutions. You dream about them a lot.
My website is full of those, both hardware and software.
Your contribution?
Babbling?

LOL I\'ve seen your website. LOL Let me know when you make it to Mars.

--

Rick C.

++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209