Rowan Atkinson Opinion On EVs...

[Fred Bloggs]

\"I love electric vehicles – and was an early adopter. But increasingly I feel duped\"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/03/electric-vehicles-early-adopter-petrol-car-ev-environment-rowan-atkinson

Synthetic fuels will work for aviation, and even ocean shipping, but ground transport seems to be a reach- just too much volume:

https://earth.org/sustainable-aviation-fuel-companies/

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Tue, 6 Jun 2023 05:08:28 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
<315a54af-e8a8-469e-b4cb-953593eeccc2n@googlegroups.com>:

\"I love electric vehicles – and was an early adopter. But increasin=
gly I feel duped\"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/03/electric-vehicles-early-adopter-petrol-car-ev-environment-rowan-atkinson


Synthetic fuels will work for aviation, and even ocean shipping, but ground=
transport seems to be a reach- just too much volume:

https://earth.org/sustainable-aviation-fuel-companies/

I was hoping for a little quadcopter or autogiro....
On nuclear fusion power of course
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autogyro
so you can start from your garden....

 

[Ed Lee]

On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 5:08:33 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:

\"I love electric vehicles – and was an early adopter. But increasingly I feel duped\"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/03/electric-vehicles-early-adopter-petrol-car-ev-environment-rowan-atkinson

Synthetic fuels will work for aviation, and even ocean shipping, but ground transport seems to be a reach- just too much volume:

https://earth.org/sustainable-aviation-fuel-companies/

\"Sadly, keeping your old petrol car may be better than buying an EV. There are sound environmental reasons not to jump just yet\"
No, keeping your old electric car may be better.

\"As you may know, the government has proposed a ban on the sale of new petrol and diesel cars from 2030\"
Fat chance, Ain\'t gonna happen.

\"Currently, on average we keep our new cars for only three years before selling them on, driven mainly by the ubiquitous three-year leasing model. This seems an outrageously profligate use of the world’s natural resources when you consider what great condition a three-year-old car is in. \"
EV credits should spread over 10 years, and only when they own and drive the cars.

\"Rowan Atkinson is an actor, COMEDIAN and writer\"
Yes, sure.

 

[bitrex]

On 6/6/2023 8:08 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:

\"I love electric vehicles – and was an early adopter. But increasingly I feel duped\"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/03/electric-vehicles-early-adopter-petrol-car-ev-environment-rowan-atkinson

\"Electric motoring is, in theory, a subject about which I should know
something. My first university degree was in electrical and electronic
engineering, with a subsequent master’s in control systems.\"

But he became a full-time actor not much more than a year later, not
exactly a recent/relevant reference. Doesn\'t seem like he was exactly
passionate for the field.

Synthetic fuels will work for aviation, and even ocean shipping, but ground transport seems to be a reach- just too much volume:

https://earth.org/sustainable-aviation-fuel-companies/

Yes he\'s going on about synthetic fuels and the \"hydrogen economy\" for
passenger cars, he\'s a know-nothing.

I agree that it doesn\'t make much sense for a low-income family to break
the budget for an EV when corporate polluters (and the largest
institutional CO2 emitter in the world, the US military) pollute so
much, but he uses too many words to say it and not nearly stridently
enough, going 2 get fired by corporate sponsors if he does that.

 

[Ricky]

On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 8:08:33 AM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:

\"I love electric vehicles – and was an early adopter. But increasingly I feel duped\"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/03/electric-vehicles-early-adopter-petrol-car-ev-environment-rowan-atkinson

Synthetic fuels will work for aviation, and even ocean shipping, but ground transport seems to be a reach- just too much volume:

https://earth.org/sustainable-aviation-fuel-companies/

I was reading the article until I read this, \"The problem lies with the lithium-ion batteries fitted currently to nearly all electric vehicles: they’re absurdly heavy, many rare earth metals and huge amounts of energy are required to make them\".

Lithium ion batteries do not contain rare earth metals. How do people keep getting this wrong?

Even if lithium ion batteries did contain rare earth metals, why is that a problem? Rare earth metals are not rare.

When prominent people like Rowan Atkinson make erroneous statements, they influence perversely, a large number of easily manipulated people. People who have a hard time learning, and a much harder time unlearning when they\'ve learned the wrong thing.

This is sad.

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 13:19:35 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 6/6/2023 8:08 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
\"I love electric vehicles – and was an early adopter. But increasingly I feel duped\"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/03/electric-vehicles-early-adopter-petrol-car-ev-environment-rowan-atkinson

\"Electric motoring is, in theory, a subject about which I should know
something. My first university degree was in electrical and electronic
engineering, with a subsequent master’s in control systems.\"

But he became a full-time actor not much more than a year later, not
exactly a recent/relevant reference. Doesn\'t seem like he was exactly
passionate for the field.

Synthetic fuels will work for aviation, and even ocean shipping, but ground transport seems to be a reach- just too much volume:

https://earth.org/sustainable-aviation-fuel-companies/

Yes he\'s going on about synthetic fuels and the \"hydrogen economy\" for
passenger cars, he\'s a know-nothing.

I agree that it doesn\'t make much sense for a low-income family to break
the budget for an EV when corporate polluters (and the largest
institutional CO2 emitter in the world, the US military) pollute so
much, but he uses too many words to say it and not nearly stridently
enough, going 2 get fired by corporate sponsors if he does that.

CO2 isn\'t pollution, it\'s plant food. If you want to reduce your CO2
production, stop breathing.

 

[bitrex]

On 6/6/2023 1:33 PM, Ricky wrote:

On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 8:08:33 AM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:
\"I love electric vehicles – and was an early adopter. But increasingly I feel duped\"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/03/electric-vehicles-early-adopter-petrol-car-ev-environment-rowan-atkinson

Synthetic fuels will work for aviation, and even ocean shipping, but ground transport seems to be a reach- just too much volume:

https://earth.org/sustainable-aviation-fuel-companies/

I was reading the article until I read this, \"The problem lies with the lithium-ion batteries fitted currently to nearly all electric vehicles: they’re absurdly heavy, many rare earth metals and huge amounts of energy are required to make them\".

Lithium ion batteries do not contain rare earth metals. How do people keep getting this wrong?

Even if lithium ion batteries did contain rare earth metals, why is that a problem? Rare earth metals are not rare.

When prominent people like Rowan Atkinson make erroneous statements, they influence perversely, a large number of easily manipulated people. People who have a hard time learning, and a much harder time unlearning when they\'ve learned the wrong thing.

This is sad.

The military-industrial pseudo-scientific complex knows that most people
with brains will be able to grasp the concept of global warming eventually.

But the military-industrial pseudo-scientific complex has its preferred
list of money-wasting non-solutions it would prefer people like Atkinson
promote like the \"hydrogen economy\", ethanol biofuels, fission and
fusion nuclear, geo-engineering, space colonization/SpaceX, and other
pointless crap.

Anything to maintain the status quo and keep the gravy train rolling
while deflecting attention away from the primary villain, which is
global neoliberal capitalism.

 

[bitrex]

On 6/6/2023 2:49 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 13:19:35 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 6/6/2023 8:08 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
\"I love electric vehicles – and was an early adopter. But increasingly I feel duped\"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/03/electric-vehicles-early-adopter-petrol-car-ev-environment-rowan-atkinson

\"Electric motoring is, in theory, a subject about which I should know
something. My first university degree was in electrical and electronic
engineering, with a subsequent master’s in control systems.\"

But he became a full-time actor not much more than a year later, not
exactly a recent/relevant reference. Doesn\'t seem like he was exactly
passionate for the field.

Synthetic fuels will work for aviation, and even ocean shipping, but ground transport seems to be a reach- just too much volume:

https://earth.org/sustainable-aviation-fuel-companies/

Yes he\'s going on about synthetic fuels and the \"hydrogen economy\" for
passenger cars, he\'s a know-nothing.

I agree that it doesn\'t make much sense for a low-income family to break
the budget for an EV when corporate polluters (and the largest
institutional CO2 emitter in the world, the US military) pollute so
much, but he uses too many words to say it and not nearly stridently
enough, going 2 get fired by corporate sponsors if he does that.

CO2 isn\'t pollution, it\'s plant food. If you want to reduce your CO2
production, stop breathing.

Now that\'s not very nice. I don\'t want you to \"stop breathing\"! I want
you to be alive and well when the fully automated luxury gay space
communist revolution hoists the red banner over Sacramento.

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 15:29:29 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 6/6/2023 2:49 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 13:19:35 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 6/6/2023 8:08 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
\"I love electric vehicles – and was an early adopter. But increasingly I feel duped\"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/03/electric-vehicles-early-adopter-petrol-car-ev-environment-rowan-atkinson

\"Electric motoring is, in theory, a subject about which I should know
something. My first university degree was in electrical and electronic
engineering, with a subsequent master’s in control systems.\"

But he became a full-time actor not much more than a year later, not
exactly a recent/relevant reference. Doesn\'t seem like he was exactly
passionate for the field.

Synthetic fuels will work for aviation, and even ocean shipping, but ground transport seems to be a reach- just too much volume:

https://earth.org/sustainable-aviation-fuel-companies/

Yes he\'s going on about synthetic fuels and the \"hydrogen economy\" for
passenger cars, he\'s a know-nothing.

I agree that it doesn\'t make much sense for a low-income family to break
the budget for an EV when corporate polluters (and the largest
institutional CO2 emitter in the world, the US military) pollute so
much, but he uses too many words to say it and not nearly stridently
enough, going 2 get fired by corporate sponsors if he does that.

CO2 isn\'t pollution, it\'s plant food. If you want to reduce your CO2
production, stop breathing.


Now that\'s not very nice. I don\'t want you to \"stop breathing\"! I want
you to be alive and well when the fully automated luxury gay space
communist revolution hoists the red banner over Sacramento.

We drive past Sacramento but we\'ve never been there. Is it any fun?

The real luxury-communist (!) gay space is Castro Street, where we
were half an hour ago.

The banner isn\'t red, it\'s the rainbow flag, aka fagrag.

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.citybirds.com%2FDigitalPhotos26%2FTheCastro03.jpg&tbnid=B0wBaWBUUzg0SM&vet=12ahUKEwi-_u2WtK__AhWXjo4IHaIECMkQxiAoA3oECAAQFA..i&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.citybirds.com%2FDigitalPhotos26%2FTheCastro03.html&docid=2U-xSzKJO_hgdM&w=800&h=600&itg=1&q=castro%20pride%20flag&ved=2ahUKEwi-_u2WtK__AhWXjo4IHaIECMkQxiAoA3oECAAQFA

 

[Ricky]

On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 2:50:16 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 13:19:35 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 6/6/2023 8:08 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
\"I love electric vehicles – and was an early adopter. But increasingly I feel duped\"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/03/electric-vehicles-early-adopter-petrol-car-ev-environment-rowan-atkinson

\"Electric motoring is, in theory, a subject about which I should know
something. My first university degree was in electrical and electronic
engineering, with a subsequent master’s in control systems.\"

But he became a full-time actor not much more than a year later, not
exactly a recent/relevant reference. Doesn\'t seem like he was exactly
passionate for the field.

Synthetic fuels will work for aviation, and even ocean shipping, but ground transport seems to be a reach- just too much volume:

https://earth.org/sustainable-aviation-fuel-companies/

Yes he\'s going on about synthetic fuels and the \"hydrogen economy\" for
passenger cars, he\'s a know-nothing.

I agree that it doesn\'t make much sense for a low-income family to break
the budget for an EV when corporate polluters (and the largest
institutional CO2 emitter in the world, the US military) pollute so
much, but he uses too many words to say it and not nearly stridently
enough, going 2 get fired by corporate sponsors if he does that.
CO2 isn\'t pollution, it\'s plant food. If you want to reduce your CO2
production, stop breathing.

So how about we pump in 100% CO2 into your home, while you are sleeping? You wouldn\'t know what happened. You\'d simply never wake up.

So is plant food good? Can we have too much of it?

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 4:50:16 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 13:19:35 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 6/6/2023 8:08 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:

<snip>

> CO2 isn\'t pollution, it\'s plant food. If you want to reduce your CO2 production, stop breathing.

CO2 can be both both plant food and pollution.

The problem with CO2 is that if we get too much of it in the atmosphere, the temperature at sea level goes up more than we\'d like.

That doesn\'t make it \"pollution\" so much as a substance whose emissions we should control, rather than eliminate - though right now we have too much CO2 in the atmosphere and should let the natural processes get rid off an appreciable proportion of the excess. The excess is currently 420 ppm as compared with the 270 ppm base-line, and an 800 year time constant suggests that this would take about 350 years.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Tue, 6 Jun 2023 15:19:04 -0400) it happened bitrex
<user@example.net> wrote in <JELfM.5$kHz5.3@fx15.iad>:

On 6/6/2023 1:33 PM, Ricky wrote:
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 8:08:33 AM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:
\"I love electric vehicles – and was an early adopter. But increasingly I feel duped\"


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/03/electric-vehicles-early-adopter-petrol-car-ev-environment-rowan-atkinson

Synthetic fuels will work for aviation, and even ocean shipping, but ground transport seems to be a reach- just too much
volume:

https://earth.org/sustainable-aviation-fuel-companies/

I was reading the article until I read this, \"The problem lies with the lithium-ion batteries fitted currently to nearly all
electric vehicles: they’re absurdly heavy, many rare earth metals and huge amounts of energy are required to make them\".

Lithium ion batteries do not contain rare earth metals. How do people keep getting this wrong?

Even if lithium ion batteries did contain rare earth metals, why is that a problem? Rare earth metals are not rare.

When prominent people like Rowan Atkinson make erroneous statements, they influence perversely, a large number of easily
manipulated people. People who have a hard time learning, and a much harder time unlearning when they\'ve learned the wrong thing.

This is sad.


The military-industrial pseudo-scientific complex knows that most people
with brains will be able to grasp the concept of global warming eventually.

But the military-industrial pseudo-scientific complex has its preferred
list of money-wasting non-solutions it would prefer people like Atkinson
promote like the \"hydrogen economy\", ethanol biofuels, fission and
fusion nuclear, geo-engineering, space colonization/SpaceX, and other
pointless crap.

I hope you are joking?
Humanity\'s only chance for survival in the long run is space, other planets, galaxies.
And we will need all the nuclear power we can get to survive the next ice age,
And will need all other forms of power generation...
Not that I expect CERN / ITER to come up with even a break even fusion power plant.
Only fusion I know about that even kids have done is the Farnsworth fusor:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor
I was thinking about using focussed beams... to improve efficiency...

Anything to maintain the status quo and keep the gravy train rolling
while deflecting attention away from the primary villain, which is
global neoliberal capitalism.

Wars are the way the US Military Industrial Complex creates jobs
it then sucks funds from the US taxpayer and burns people as fuel.
The SeeEyeAAAh has as task to put petrol on each little spark or fire it can find in the world
to create those wars.

But ultimately it is one ant heap against the other... Capitalism, Communism, religious fanatics... you name it.
The best one will win, Darwin, evolution.
Better weapons or system will remain, or totally nothing if we manage to create the black hole bomb
and suck up our galaxy to perhaps create a new big bang or whatever you can imagine...
I fully expect glow-ball nuculear war in 2024
after that camping in the wild chasing rabbits burning wood for cooking...
Who knows.
Here is a whole discussion about doing away with cash all together in the EU, only digital money.
Now after the next high altitude nuke none of that will work.
I\'ve been at the supermarket when their payment system did not work,. (cards no longer accepted)
and people had to go away to get cash from some machine, long lines waiting.
but now they have removed most of those machines too...
Digital money only, how stupid can you get.
Back to gold perhaps.

So and of course in the long run the humming species will not persist....

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 3:02:00 PM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Tue, 6 Jun 2023 15:19:04 -0400) it happened bitrex
us...@example.net> wrote in <JELfM.5$kHz...@fx15.iad>:
On 6/6/2023 1:33 PM, Ricky wrote:
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 8:08:33 AM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:

<snip>

The military-industrial pseudo-scientific complex knows that most people with brains will be able to grasp the concept of global warming eventually..

But the military-industrial pseudo-scientific complex has its preferred list of money-wasting non-solutions it would prefer people like Atkinson promote like the \"hydrogen economy\", ethanol biofuels, fission and fusion nuclear, geo-engineering, space colonization/SpaceX, and other pointless crap.

I hope you are joking?
Humanity\'s only chance for survival in the long run is space, other planets, galaxies.

Twaddle. All our ancestors have managed to survive so far without access to other planets.

Getting to other planets might give us more options, but we are adapted to this one, which give it a head start.

> And we will need all the nuclear power we can get to survive the next ice age,

We survived the last ice age without nuclear power.

> And will need all other forms of power generation...

We\'ve got a few which we didn\'t have then.

> Not that I expect CERN / ITER to come up with even a break even fusion power plant.

They will probably get there eventually.

Only fusion I know about that even kids have done is the Farnsworth fusor:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor

There is the giant fusion reactor hanging the sky which provides almost all the power we use at moment. Nuclear power depends on past super-novas.

> I was thinking about using focussed beams... to improve efficiency...

https://hb11.energy/

<snip>

But ultimately it is one ant heap against the other... Capitalism, Communism, religious fanatics... you name it.
The best one will win, Darwin, evolution.

\"Best\" as defined by longest surviving?

<snip>

> So and of course in the long run the human species will not persist....

Of course it won\'t. Species typically last about 10 million years.

Our situation is unusual - we are a social mammal and do large scale cooperation (like ants and bees) but haven\'t yet started specialising in particular roles.

Evolution is going to rework us so we can cooperate more effectively, and what emerges from that process is going to be a more diverse species, with even more differences between individuals than we see now. The lying twits who make it difficult for us to collaborate will get edited out, probably because nobody will mate with them or help raise their repulsive kids.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Tue, 6 Jun 2023 23:03:32 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony
William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
<980629d7-665f-446a-80cc-909fbd9b83e8n@googlegroups.com>:

On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 3:02:00 PM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrot=
e:
On a sunny day (Tue, 6 Jun 2023 15:19:04 -0400) it happened bitrex
us...@example.net> wrote in <JELfM.5$kHz...@fx15.iad>:
On 6/6/2023 1:33 PM, Ricky wrote:
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 8:08:33 AM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrot=
e:

snip

The military-industrial pseudo-scientific complex knows that most people=
with brains will be able to grasp the concept of global warming eventually=
.

But the military-industrial pseudo-scientific complex has its preferred =
list of money-wasting non-solutions it would prefer people like Atkinson pr=
omote like the \"hydrogen economy\", ethanol biofuels, fission and fusion nuc=
lear, geo-engineering, space colonization/SpaceX, and other pointless crap.

I hope you are joking?
Humanity\'s only chance for survival in the long run is space, other plane=
ts, galaxies.

Twaddle. All our ancestors have managed to survive so far without access to=
other planets.

Notice he who is called panteltje wrote LONG run....

Getting to other planets might give us more options, but we are adapted to =
this one, which give it a head start.

And we will need all the nuclear power we can get to survive the next ice=
age,

We survived the last ice age without nuclear power.

Very few did.

And will need all other forms of power generation...

We\'ve got a few which we didn\'t have then.

Not that I expect CERN / ITER to come up with even a break even fusion po=
wer plant.

They will probably get there eventually.

Quoting he who\'s is called panteltje:
\"If you cannot do it with those small particles on the desktop then you will not
be able to do it in a machine the size of the universe.
\"

ITER is just a political job creation process.
good chance if it ever stars up it will show it will have to be \'just a little bit bigger\' and
there go the taxes you payed into building yet an other one.

Only fusion I know about that even kids have done is the Farnsworth fusor=
:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor

There is the giant fusion reactor hanging the sky which provides almost all=
the power we use at moment. Nuclear power depends on past super-novas.

I was thinking about using focussed beams... to improve efficiency...

https://hb11.energy/

Interesting, but too simple..

Note how may of these sort of adventured died:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polywell

snip

But ultimately it is one ant heap against the other... Capitalism, Commun=
ism, religious fanatics... you name it.
The best one will win, Darwin, evolution.

\"Best\" as defined by longest surviving?

Sure, adapting to the environment if you will
If we mess up that environment with nuclear radiation from our wars ?
Darwin award!

snip

So and of course in the long run the human species will not persist....

Of course it won\'t. Species typically last about 10 million years.

Our situation is unusual - we are a social mammal and do large scale cooper=
ation (like ants and bees) but haven\'t yet started specialising in particul=
ar roles.

There is a lot of specialization in our species.
EU is now into importing workers from countries where the average education is very low.
To compensate for low birth rates.
So soon it will be back to life like it is in Africa now here.

Only workers, no scientists...
China is busy giving their population higher education, university level for everybody.

Evolution is going to rework us so we can cooperate more effectively, and w=
hat emerges from that process is going to be a more diverse species, with e=
ven more differences between individuals than we see now. The lying twits w=
ho make it difficult for us to collaborate will get edited out, probably be=
cause nobody will mate with them or help raise their repulsive kids.

Well, I am sure that the US controlled media will use cloning or whatever it takes to keep going
Controlling the masses...
Already they do not know the difference between men and women, so and with AI doing the selections
where will it go?
hehe

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 07 Jun 2023 05:01:42 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Tue, 6 Jun 2023 15:19:04 -0400) it happened bitrex
user@example.net> wrote in <JELfM.5$kHz5.3@fx15.iad>:

On 6/6/2023 1:33 PM, Ricky wrote:
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 8:08:33 AM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:
\"I love electric vehicles – and was an early adopter. But increasingly I feel duped\"


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/03/electric-vehicles-early-adopter-petrol-car-ev-environment-rowan-atkinson

Synthetic fuels will work for aviation, and even ocean shipping, but ground transport seems to be a reach- just too much
volume:

https://earth.org/sustainable-aviation-fuel-companies/

I was reading the article until I read this, \"The problem lies with the lithium-ion batteries fitted currently to nearly all
electric vehicles: they’re absurdly heavy, many rare earth metals and huge amounts of energy are required to make them\".

Lithium ion batteries do not contain rare earth metals. How do people keep getting this wrong?

Even if lithium ion batteries did contain rare earth metals, why is that a problem? Rare earth metals are not rare.

When prominent people like Rowan Atkinson make erroneous statements, they influence perversely, a large number of easily
manipulated people. People who have a hard time learning, and a much harder time unlearning when they\'ve learned the wrong thing.

This is sad.


The military-industrial pseudo-scientific complex knows that most people
with brains will be able to grasp the concept of global warming eventually.

But the military-industrial pseudo-scientific complex has its preferred
list of money-wasting non-solutions it would prefer people like Atkinson
promote like the \"hydrogen economy\", ethanol biofuels, fission and
fusion nuclear, geo-engineering, space colonization/SpaceX, and other
pointless crap.

I hope you are joking?
Humanity\'s only chance for survival in the long run is space, other planets, galaxies.

I don\'t think any humans will ever live self-sustaining in space or on
another planet.

 

[Ricky]

On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 10:22:21 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 07 Jun 2023 05:01:42 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Tue, 6 Jun 2023 15:19:04 -0400) it happened bitrex
us...@example.net> wrote in <JELfM.5$kHz...@fx15.iad>:

On 6/6/2023 1:33 PM, Ricky wrote:
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 8:08:33 AM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:
\"I love electric vehicles – and was an early adopter. But increasingly I feel duped\"


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/03/electric-vehicles-early-adopter-petrol-car-ev-environment-rowan-atkinson

Synthetic fuels will work for aviation, and even ocean shipping, but ground transport seems to be a reach- just too much
volume:

https://earth.org/sustainable-aviation-fuel-companies/

I was reading the article until I read this, \"The problem lies with the lithium-ion batteries fitted currently to nearly all
electric vehicles: they’re absurdly heavy, many rare earth metals and huge amounts of energy are required to make them\".

Lithium ion batteries do not contain rare earth metals. How do people keep getting this wrong?

Even if lithium ion batteries did contain rare earth metals, why is that a problem? Rare earth metals are not rare.

When prominent people like Rowan Atkinson make erroneous statements, they influence perversely, a large number of easily
manipulated people. People who have a hard time learning, and a much harder time unlearning when they\'ve learned the wrong thing.

This is sad.


The military-industrial pseudo-scientific complex knows that most people
with brains will be able to grasp the concept of global warming eventually.

But the military-industrial pseudo-scientific complex has its preferred
list of money-wasting non-solutions it would prefer people like Atkinson
promote like the \"hydrogen economy\", ethanol biofuels, fission and
fusion nuclear, geo-engineering, space colonization/SpaceX, and other
pointless crap.

I hope you are joking?
Humanity\'s only chance for survival in the long run is space, other planets, galaxies.
I don\'t think any humans will ever live self-sustaining in space or on
another planet.

Yeah, they\'ll never fly, either.

Oh, wait, they have.

I think the idea of a colony ship is practical if built on a large enough scale. Probably the size of a moon, or even a planet. But it will be a long time before anyone decides it is needed. Long after we are all dead.

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[whit3rd]

On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 2:50:16 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

CO2 isn\'t pollution, it\'s plant food. If you want to reduce your CO2
production, stop breathing.

In large quantities, ANYTHING is pollution. Oxygen, for example,
is toxic at one atmosphere, and a fire hazard below that.

Stopping breathing would prevent the toxic effect, but your
house will still burn down.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Wed, 07 Jun 2023 07:22:00 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
<qe418i1ao9hga3gdbloipiat270bnufab8@4ax.com>:

On Wed, 07 Jun 2023 05:01:42 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Tue, 6 Jun 2023 15:19:04 -0400) it happened bitrex
user@example.net> wrote in <JELfM.5$kHz5.3@fx15.iad>:

On 6/6/2023 1:33 PM, Ricky wrote:
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 8:08:33 AM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:
\"I love electric vehicles – and was an early adopter. But increasingly I feel duped\"



https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/03/electric-vehicles-early-adopter-petrol-car-ev-environment-rowan-atkinson

Synthetic fuels will work for aviation, and even ocean shipping, but ground transport seems to be a reach- just too much
volume:

https://earth.org/sustainable-aviation-fuel-companies/

I was reading the article until I read this, \"The problem lies with the lithium-ion batteries fitted currently to nearly
all
electric vehicles: they’re absurdly heavy, many rare earth metals and huge amounts of energy are required to make them\".

Lithium ion batteries do not contain rare earth metals. How do people keep getting this wrong?

Even if lithium ion batteries did contain rare earth metals, why is that a problem? Rare earth metals are not rare.

When prominent people like Rowan Atkinson make erroneous statements, they influence perversely, a large number of easily
manipulated people. People who have a hard time learning, and a much harder time unlearning when they\'ve learned the wrong
thing.

This is sad.


The military-industrial pseudo-scientific complex knows that most people
with brains will be able to grasp the concept of global warming eventually.

But the military-industrial pseudo-scientific complex has its preferred
list of money-wasting non-solutions it would prefer people like Atkinson
promote like the \"hydrogen economy\", ethanol biofuels, fission and
fusion nuclear, geo-engineering, space colonization/SpaceX, and other
pointless crap.

I hope you are joking?
Humanity\'s only chance for survival in the long run is space, other planets, galaxies.

I don\'t think any humans will ever live self-sustaining in space or on
another planet.

And humans could never fly, as they were heavier than air.
It may take a while.. we could perhaps send our DNA or something to the stars
and see what comes of it and then fight them in wars?
Now there IS an opportunity for the US Military Industrial Complex !

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Wed, 7 Jun 2023 07:37:22 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
bot Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
<a0ac15a8-d3ec-446a-9ccf-decd690abba4n@googlegroups.com>:

>You really are a gibbering idiot. Not perhaps as far gone as Flyguy, but getting there.

Must be your influence

Lemme experiment with bill sloman in the filters
to protect myself!

I will never see your posting nor anyone replying to it
Zero electronics content anyways.

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 05:22:35 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Wed, 07 Jun 2023 07:22:00 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
qe418i1ao9hga3gdbloipiat270bnufab8@4ax.com>:

On Wed, 07 Jun 2023 05:01:42 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Tue, 6 Jun 2023 15:19:04 -0400) it happened bitrex
user@example.net> wrote in <JELfM.5$kHz5.3@fx15.iad>:

On 6/6/2023 1:33 PM, Ricky wrote:
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 8:08:33 AM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:
\"I love electric vehicles – and was an early adopter. But increasingly I feel duped\"



https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/03/electric-vehicles-early-adopter-petrol-car-ev-environment-rowan-atkinson

Synthetic fuels will work for aviation, and even ocean shipping, but ground transport seems to be a reach- just too much
volume:

https://earth.org/sustainable-aviation-fuel-companies/

I was reading the article until I read this, \"The problem lies with the lithium-ion batteries fitted currently to nearly
all
electric vehicles: they’re absurdly heavy, many rare earth metals and huge amounts of energy are required to make them\".

Lithium ion batteries do not contain rare earth metals. How do people keep getting this wrong?

Even if lithium ion batteries did contain rare earth metals, why is that a problem? Rare earth metals are not rare.

When prominent people like Rowan Atkinson make erroneous statements, they influence perversely, a large number of easily
manipulated people. People who have a hard time learning, and a much harder time unlearning when they\'ve learned the wrong
thing.

This is sad.


The military-industrial pseudo-scientific complex knows that most people
with brains will be able to grasp the concept of global warming eventually.

But the military-industrial pseudo-scientific complex has its preferred
list of money-wasting non-solutions it would prefer people like Atkinson
promote like the \"hydrogen economy\", ethanol biofuels, fission and
fusion nuclear, geo-engineering, space colonization/SpaceX, and other
pointless crap.

I hope you are joking?
Humanity\'s only chance for survival in the long run is space, other planets, galaxies.

I don\'t think any humans will ever live self-sustaining in space or on
another planet.

And humans could never fly, as they were heavier than air.

It was obvious that birds and bees and paper airplanes fly.

It may take a while.. we could perhaps send our DNA or something to the stars
and see what comes of it and then fight them in wars?
Now there IS an opportunity for the US Military Industrial Complex !

No nearby planet is habitable. No star is within reach. Our DNA
wouldn\'t survive for long in space, what with cosmic ray damage. Even
humans might not survive a one-way trip to Mars.

Mars has no mag field, so doesn\'t get the cosmic ray shielding that
Earth does.

There\'s nothing to breathe or eat there either.