Rolling your own soldering tip

[WW]

"Bob AZ" <rwatson767@aol.com> wrote in message
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Are these typically made of copper
and then plated with something? Does anyone who's done this have any
tips (no pun intended) for me?

Smitty

We routinely sent out our tips to be silver soldered. Never any
probems. We did this in the 60s and I am sure they still do them this
way. After we got a good mechanical technician he silver soldered
them. No big deal. The silver solder was the type used in
refrigeration tubing soldering.

Bob AZ

Bob... I have been coating mine with silver solder for many years. They last
a LONG time. WW

 

[N_Cook]

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"Bob AZ" <rwatson767@aol.com> wrote in message
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Are these typically made of copper
and then plated with something? Does anyone who's done this have any
tips (no pun intended) for me?

Smitty

We routinely sent out our tips to be silver soldered. Never any
probems. We did this in the 60s and I am sure they still do them this
way. After we got a good mechanical technician he silver soldered
them. No big deal. The silver solder was the type used in
refrigeration tubing soldering.

Bob AZ

Bob... I have been coating mine with silver solder for many years. They
last
a LONG time. WW

How can a "coat" of silver solder work? it will admix/dilute with the next
loading of SnPb solder let alone Pb-Free

--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/

 

[N_Cook]

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"Bob AZ" <rwatson...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:fb9b909d-bd1e-44c2-bd45-ba2d020c4246@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
Are these typically made of copper
and then plated with something? Does anyone who's done this have any
tips (no pun intended) for me?

Smitty

We routinely sent out our tips to be silver soldered. Never any
probems. We did this in the 60s and I am sure they still do them this
way. After we got a good mechanical technician he silver soldered
them. No big deal. The silver solder was the type used in
refrigeration tubing soldering.

Bob AZ

Bob... I have been coating mine with silver solder for many years. They
last
a LONG time. WW

How can a "coat" of silver solder work? it will admix/dilute with the next
loading of SnPb solder let alone Pb-Free

--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list
onhttp://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/

The term "silver solder" has two meanings: Traditionally, and what Bob
means, it is a high temperature (450 deg C) alloy used with a
blowtorch for brazing. But it has recently been introduced for a low-
temperature lead solder replacement, causing frequent confusion.

Chris (whose first soldering iron was a Remploy. It may still be
around somewhere.)


But 450 deg C is not that much higher than electronics soldering iron
temperatures of 370 to 420 deg C, I take it that is enough margin under
brazing rod type silver solder, in practise.


--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/

 

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"Bob AZ" <rwatson...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:fb9b909d-bd1e-44c2-bd45-ba2d020c4246@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com....
Are these typically made of copper
and then plated with something? Does anyone who's done this have any
tips (no pun intended) for me?

Smitty

We routinely sent out our tips to be silver soldered. Never any
probems. We did this in the 60s and I am sure they still do them this
way. After we got a good mechanical technician he silver soldered
them. No big deal. The silver solder was the type used in
refrigeration tubing soldering.

Bob  AZ

Bob... I have been coating mine with silver solder for many years. They
last
a LONG time. WW

How can a "coat" of silver solder work? it will admix/dilute with the next
loading of SnPb solder let alone Pb-Free

--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list onhttp://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/

The term "silver solder" has two meanings: Traditionally, and what Bob
means, it is a high temperature (450 deg C) alloy used with a
blowtorch for brazing. But it has recently been introduced for a low-
temperature lead solder replacement, causing frequent confusion.

Chris (whose first soldering iron was a Remploy. It may still be
around somewhere.)

 

[Jim Yanik]

"N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in
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Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
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In article <h9kdrr$nuf$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote:
Nice to see another Antex fan. Still my favourite iron. Bought my
first
one near 50 years ago - a delight after my Henley Solon.

Antex? do they still use mains powered heaters?

They do a variety of mains and low voltage.

I gave up with them when CMOS LSI first came in and mains leakage
current/voltage destroyed a couple of expensive ICs while I was
soldering
them. There I was using proper grounded disipative wrist strap and
all.

That's strange since they made a point about their low leakage. And
the tip is earthed on a mains one. Perhaps the earth you were using
was floating well above ground?

--
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it.

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

It was a long time ago, I've always used 24V Weller Magnastat since.
ISTR the Antex tip fitted over a ceramic shaft containing the mains
carrying heater. No observable leakage when cold but at operating
temperature it leaked like a sieve. One dramatic confiemation test of
it, in a totally dark room, you could sometimes see a discharge arc to
a grounded metal plate held very close to the tip.


--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/

My 15W Antex(both of them) has a metal tube with the ceramic/nichrome wire
element inside it,the end is open,you can see it.It's grounded.

I used to file down the non-clad copper tips for use on SMD ICs,it seems
all the tips I have now are the ironclad ones that you can't file down.
I gotta find some of the non-clad tips.

Do they currently make Antex tips small enough for SMD work?

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
..com

 

[Jim Yanik]

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.. On 28 Sep, 09:10, "N_Cook" <dive...@tcp.co.uk> wrote:
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"Bob AZ" <rwatson...@aol.com> wrote in message
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m...
Are these typically made of copper
and then plated with something? Does anyone who's done this have
any tips (no pun intended) for me?

Smitty

We routinely sent out our tips to be silver soldered. Never any
probems. We did this in the 60s and I am sure they still do them
this way. After we got a good mechanical technician he silver
soldered them. No big deal. The silver solder was the type used
in refrigeration tubing soldering.

Bob AZ

Bob... I have been coating mine with silver solder for many years.
They
last
a LONG time. WW

How can a "coat" of silver solder work? it will admix/dilute with the
next loading of SnPb solder let alone Pb-Free

--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list
onhttp://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/

The term "silver solder" has two meanings: Traditionally, and what Bob
means, it is a high temperature (450 deg C) alloy used with a
blowtorch for brazing. But it has recently been introduced for a low-
temperature lead solder replacement, causing frequent confusion.

Chris (whose first soldering iron was a Remploy. It may still be
around somewhere.)




But 450 deg C is not that much higher than electronics soldering iron
temperatures of 370 to 420 deg C, I take it that is enough margin
under brazing rod type silver solder, in practise.


--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/

there's "silver solder" and silver-BEARING solder,like the 3% Ag that TEK
used for their ceramic strips in tube and 400 series scopes.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
..com

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <Xns9C95968408F04jyaniklocalnetcom@216.168.3.44>,
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:

Do they currently make Antex tips small enough for SMD work?

Yes.

--
*He who laughs last has just realised the joke.

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

 

[Arfa Daily]

"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
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In article <Xns9C95968408F04jyaniklocalnetcom@216.168.3.44>,
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:
Do they currently make Antex tips small enough for SMD work?

Yes.

--
*He who laughs last has just realised the joke.

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

And also specially shaped tips for removing SMD IC packages, all pins at
once, and ones to fit all standard sizes of R and C SMD packages. I
inherited a full set of these from a workshop that was packing it all in.
They work very well, but are expensive to replace when they burn away.

Arfa

 

[Jim Yanik]

"Arfa Daily" <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote in
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"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:50a298294fdave@davenoise.co.uk...
In article <Xns9C95968408F04jyaniklocalnetcom@216.168.3.44>,
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:
Do they currently make Antex tips small enough for SMD work?

Yes.

--
*He who laughs last has just realised the joke.

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.


And also specially shaped tips for removing SMD IC packages, all pins
at once, and ones to fit all standard sizes of R and C SMD packages. I
inherited a full set of these from a workshop that was packing it all
in. They work very well, but are expensive to replace when they burn
away.

Arfa

ever use the Pace thermo-tweeze system?
I wasn't very fond of it,those custom tips were unwieldy and as you
say,costly.I think I'd prefer a hotplate and hot air gun with tweezers,or
Chip-quik and the hot air gun..

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
..com

 

[isw]

In article <Xns9C9596DA932A4jyaniklocalnetcom@216.168.3.44>,
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:

"N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in
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chrisj.doran@proemail.co.uk> wrote in message
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.. On 28 Sep, 09:10, "N_Cook" <dive...@tcp.co.uk> wrote:
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"Bob AZ" <rwatson...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:fb9b909d-bd1e-44c2-bd45-ba2d020c4246@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.co
m...
Are these typically made of copper
and then plated with something? Does anyone who's done this have
any tips (no pun intended) for me?

Smitty

We routinely sent out our tips to be silver soldered. Never any
probems. We did this in the 60s and I am sure they still do them
this way. After we got a good mechanical technician he silver
soldered them. No big deal. The silver solder was the type used
in refrigeration tubing soldering.

Bob AZ

Bob... I have been coating mine with silver solder for many years.
They
last
a LONG time. WW

How can a "coat" of silver solder work? it will admix/dilute with the
next loading of SnPb solder let alone Pb-Free

--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list
onhttp://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/

The term "silver solder" has two meanings: Traditionally, and what Bob
means, it is a high temperature (450 deg C) alloy used with a
blowtorch for brazing. But it has recently been introduced for a low-
temperature lead solder replacement, causing frequent confusion.

Chris (whose first soldering iron was a Remploy. It may still be
around somewhere.)




But 450 deg C is not that much higher than electronics soldering iron
temperatures of 370 to 420 deg C, I take it that is enough margin
under brazing rod type silver solder, in practise.


--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/







there's "silver solder" and silver-BEARING solder,like the 3% Ag that TEK
used for their ceramic strips in tube and 400 series scopes.

Which they used because if the solder wasn't already saturated with
silver, it'd destroy those silver-on-ceramic terminal strips in one
second. Nice of them to include a little coil of the stuff in every
'scope.

Isaac

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <Xns9C95ED86ACE12jyaniklocalnetcom@216.168.3.44>,
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:

ever use the Pace thermo-tweeze system? I wasn't very fond of it,those
custom tips were unwieldy and as you say,costly.I think I'd prefer a
hotplate and hot air gun with tweezers,or Chip-quik and the hot air
gun..

Yes - but hot air systems were very expensive when introduced. Although of
course so was most Pace stuff. ;-)

--
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Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

 

[JeffM]

N_Cook wrote:

But 450 deg C is not that much higher than
electronics soldering iron temperatures of 370 to 420 deg C,
I take it that is enough margin under
brazing rod type silver solder, in practise.

To distinguish the difference, some folks have been

referring to the electronics-related stuff as "silver-bearing solder".
..
..
We got Arfa using this the other week.
Maybe this week we can get your sad blockquoting fixed.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/msg/43cfa6e64ea58065?dmode=source

This is a 3rd-party update for M$'s non-compliant software:
http://google.com/search?q=inurl:jain+%22+OE.doesn't.exactly.feature.the.most.intelligent.quoting.algorithm

 

[JeffM]

Jim Yanik wrote:
[...]like the 3% Ag that TEK used
for their ceramic strips in tube and 400 series scopes.

isw wrote:
[...]if the solder wasn't already saturated with silver,
it'd destroy those silver-on-ceramic terminal strips
Isaac

FYI: You're not telling Yanik anything new;
he was once a Tek guy.

 

[Arfa Daily]

"JeffM" <jeffm_@email.com> wrote in message
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N_Cook wrote:
But 450 deg C is not that much higher than
electronics soldering iron temperatures of 370 to 420 deg C,
I take it that is enough margin under
brazing rod type silver solder, in practise.

To distinguish the difference, some folks have been
referring to the electronics-related stuff as "silver-bearing solder".
.
.
We got Arfa using this the other week.
Maybe this week we can get your sad blockquoting fixed.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/msg/43cfa6e64ea58065?dmode=source

This is a 3rd-party update for M$'s non-compliant software:
http://google.com/search?q=inurl:jain+%22+OE.doesn't.exactly.feature.the.most.intelligent.quoting.algorithm

Indeed you did ! Everyone says it looks much better now, so best of all
worlds. I'm still able to use OE which I find 'comfortable' for posting to
and reading from text groups, and no one has to moan that my blockquoting
looks poor

Dead easy install, and transparent in use. Thoroughly recommended. Now if we
can just fix top posters ...

Arfa

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Arfa Daily wrote:

Indeed you did ! Everyone says it looks much better now, so best of all
worlds. I'm still able to use OE which I find 'comfortable' for posting to
and reading from text groups, and no one has to moan that my blockquoting
looks poor

Dead easy install, and transparent in use. Thoroughly recommended. Now if we
can just fix top posters ...

They aren't hard to fix. The hard part is getting them to the
Veterinarian's office. ;-)



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