RIP...........................

[Trevor Wilson]

On 10/10/2011 11:00 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:

keithr<keith@nowhere.com.au> wrote:

On 6/10/2011 10:50 AM, Metro wrote:
Steve Jobs who died this day.

He had a way overblown reputation, he was a very savvy marketing man,
nothing more. He took ideas from others, had his guys package them
nicely and then sold them to an adoring group of followers at inflated
prices.

Surely it took more than "a very savvy marketing man" to convince the
world, not just his adoring followers, that they must have a desktop
computer and then that they needed a WIMP computer interface. He
followed that by persuading us we needed a telephone that knows where
it is and a computer that we can take to bed. Apart from some failures
like the Lisa and the NeXT workstation Jobs showed a brilliant ability
to assess the junction of cost, technology, design and consumer
desires.

I don't own any Apple products but I am sure that Jobs earned "the
adoring group of followers" and that there are some electronic gizmos
that I would like to own but that will never be produced because Jobs
is not there to launch them.


**Coincidentally, I was sorting through some boxes of old magazines last

weekend. I happened across a 1977 issue of Scientific American.
Contained within the magazine was a report from one of the writers who
had visited Xerox PARC. The screen shots looked VERY similar to what
early Macs looked like. All controlled by a mouse and there were clear
references to 'windows' to describe what was on the screen.

Jobs was an excellent sales man and a superb marketer. That's it. Let's
not get carried away with his other alleged skills. Whilst I have no
love for Bill Gates, he is, at least, giving away a huge amount of his
personal wealth to those far less fortunate. Gates may, indeed, change
the world in a very meaningful way.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 10/11/2011 10:33 AM, kreed wrote:

On Oct 11, 5:45 am, Trevor Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:
On 10/10/2011 11:00 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:

keithr<ke...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:

On 6/10/2011 10:50 AM, Metro wrote:
Steve Jobs who died this day.

He had a way overblown reputation, he was a very savvy marketing man,
nothing more. He took ideas from others, had his guys package them
nicely and then sold them to an adoring group of followers at inflated
prices.

Surely it took more than "a very savvy marketing man" to convince the
world, not just his adoring followers, that they must have a desktop
computer and then that they needed a WIMP computer interface. He
followed that by persuading us we needed a telephone that knows where
it is and a computer that we can take to bed. Apart from some failures
like the Lisa and the NeXT workstation Jobs showed a brilliant ability
to assess the junction of cost, technology, design and consumer
desires.

I don't own any Apple products but I am sure that Jobs earned "the
adoring group of followers" and that there are some electronic gizmos
that I would like to own but that will never be produced because Jobs
is not there to launch them.

**Coincidentally, I was sorting through some boxes of old magazines last
weekend. I happened across a 1977 issue of Scientific American.
Contained within the magazine was a report from one of the writers who
had visited Xerox PARC. The screen shots looked VERY similar to what
early Macs looked like. All controlled by a mouse and there were clear
references to 'windows' to describe what was on the screen.

Jobs was an excellent sales man and a superb marketer. That's it. Let's
not get carried away with his other alleged skills. Whilst I have no
love for Bill Gates, he is, at least, giving away a huge amount of his
personal wealth to those far less fortunate. Gates may, indeed, change
the world in a very meaningful way.

--
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au

um - if you look deeper, these "foundations" that the US billionaires
set up in order to look good, do little for the "poor" and are mere
tax dodges, and they actually profit hansomely from them. People like
these who go through life doing evil and unethical things don't just
suddenly turn Mr. Nice guy.

**Gates has promised to give away the vast majority of his wealth.
Whilst that may assist his tax issues, it is also likely to DECREASE his
total wealth. I don't see how Gates will profit from the charitable
enterprise, except that he may feel better about himself (which is why
most people are charitable) and other people may feel better about him.
Here is a link to the Gates Foundation:

http://www.gatesfoundation.org/Pages/home.aspx

If you can find any bad things about it, please let us know.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[kreed]

On Oct 11, 5:45 am, Trevor Wilson <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
wrote:

On 10/10/2011 11:00 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:

keithr<ke...@nowhere.com.au>  wrote:

On 6/10/2011 10:50 AM, Metro wrote:
Steve Jobs who died this day.

He had a way overblown reputation, he was a very savvy marketing man,
nothing more. He took ideas from others, had his guys package them
nicely and then sold them to an adoring group of followers at inflated
prices.

Surely it took more than "a very savvy marketing man" to convince the
world, not just his adoring followers, that they must have a desktop
computer and then that they needed a WIMP computer interface. He
followed that by persuading us we needed a telephone that knows where
it is and a computer that we can take to bed. Apart from some failures
like the Lisa and the NeXT workstation Jobs showed a brilliant ability
to assess the junction of cost, technology, design and consumer
desires.

I don't own any Apple products but I am sure that Jobs earned "the
adoring group of followers" and that there are some electronic gizmos
that I would like to own but that will never be produced because Jobs
is not there to launch them.

**Coincidentally, I was sorting through some boxes of old magazines last
weekend. I happened across a 1977 issue of Scientific American.
Contained within the magazine was a report from one of the writers who
had visited Xerox PARC. The screen shots looked VERY similar to what
early Macs looked like. All controlled by a mouse and there were clear
references to 'windows' to describe what was on the screen.

Jobs was an excellent sales man and a superb marketer. That's it. Let's
not get carried away with his other alleged skills. Whilst I have no
love for Bill Gates, he is, at least, giving away a huge amount of his
personal wealth to those far less fortunate. Gates may, indeed, change
the world in a very meaningful way.

--
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au

um - if you look deeper, these "foundations" that the US billionaires
set up in order to look good, do little for the "poor" and are mere
tax dodges, and they actually profit hansomely from them. People like
these who go through life doing evil and unethical things don't just
suddenly turn Mr. Nice guy.

 

[kreed]

On Oct 10, 11:03 pm, keithr <ke...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:

On 10/10/2011 11:00 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:



keithr<ke...@nowhere.com.au>  wrote:

On 6/10/2011 10:50 AM, Metro wrote:
Steve Jobs who died this day.

He had a way overblown reputation, he was a very savvy marketing man,
nothing more. He took ideas from others, had his guys package them
nicely and then sold them to an adoring group of followers at inflated
prices.

Surely it took more than "a very savvy marketing man" to convince the
world, not just his adoring followers, that they must have a desktop
computer and then that they needed a WIMP computer interface. He
followed that by persuading us we needed a telephone that knows where
it is and a computer that we can take to bed. Apart from some failures
like the Lisa and the NeXT workstation Jobs showed a brilliant ability
to assess the junction of cost, technology, design and consumer
desires.

Jobs pinched the WIMP interface from Xerox Parc, and Jef Raskin headed
the team that developed it. The original Mac was a crap machine, but it
struck a chord with those who wanted an appliance rather than a computer.

Typical of Jobs was the game Breakout. Jobs took $5000 from Atari to
design it, but got Wozniak to do the work paying him $750 for it. It
says something about the man that he was prepared to rip his friend off
like that.

That sounds about right. Though to many Americans, that would be seen

as heroic and good behaviour - as long as it is done by a "rich"
person, politician, banker etc. If their neighbour or work colleage
did the same thing, they would crucify them.

Im glad they said "design" breakout rather than "write the software"
for it, as the original breakout had no software involved, was made up
of logic IC's.

Smart phones and PDAs existed before the iPhone too, Its just that the
Jobs ballyhoo got the fanbois going. BTW, the original iPhone didn't
"Know where it is" that was only added in the 3G model.

I don't own any Apple products but I am sure that Jobs earned "the
adoring group of followers" and that there are some electronic gizmos
that I would like to own but that will never be produced because Jobs
is not there to launch them.

Jobs launched none of them, he certainly popularised them,, bit they all
existed before Apple marketed them. Most of the more recent products owe
more to Jonathon Ives than anybody else, he has the knack of designing
stuff that inspires people to pay outrageous prices for his stuff and
overlook little foibles like the built in obsolescence of not being able
to replace the battery when it dies.

 

[keithr]

On 11/10/2011 10:41 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 10/11/2011 10:33 AM, kreed wrote:
On Oct 11, 5:45 am, Trevor Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:
On 10/10/2011 11:00 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:

keithr<ke...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:

On 6/10/2011 10:50 AM, Metro wrote:
Steve Jobs who died this day.

He had a way overblown reputation, he was a very savvy marketing man,
nothing more. He took ideas from others, had his guys package them
nicely and then sold them to an adoring group of followers at inflated
prices.

Surely it took more than "a very savvy marketing man" to convince the
world, not just his adoring followers, that they must have a desktop
computer and then that they needed a WIMP computer interface. He
followed that by persuading us we needed a telephone that knows where
it is and a computer that we can take to bed. Apart from some failures
like the Lisa and the NeXT workstation Jobs showed a brilliant ability
to assess the junction of cost, technology, design and consumer
desires.

I don't own any Apple products but I am sure that Jobs earned "the
adoring group of followers" and that there are some electronic gizmos
that I would like to own but that will never be produced because Jobs
is not there to launch them.

**Coincidentally, I was sorting through some boxes of old magazines last
weekend. I happened across a 1977 issue of Scientific American.
Contained within the magazine was a report from one of the writers who
had visited Xerox PARC. The screen shots looked VERY similar to what
early Macs looked like. All controlled by a mouse and there were clear
references to 'windows' to describe what was on the screen.

Jobs was an excellent sales man and a superb marketer. That's it. Let's
not get carried away with his other alleged skills. Whilst I have no
love for Bill Gates, he is, at least, giving away a huge amount of his
personal wealth to those far less fortunate. Gates may, indeed, change
the world in a very meaningful way.

--
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au

um - if you look deeper, these "foundations" that the US billionaires
set up in order to look good, do little for the "poor" and are mere
tax dodges, and they actually profit hansomely from them. People like
these who go through life doing evil and unethical things don't just
suddenly turn Mr. Nice guy.

**Gates has promised to give away the vast majority of his wealth.
Whilst that may assist his tax issues, it is also likely to DECREASE his
total wealth. I don't see how Gates will profit from the charitable
enterprise, except that he may feel better about himself (which is why
most people are charitable) and other people may feel better about him.
Here is a link to the Gates Foundation:

http://www.gatesfoundation.org/Pages/home.aspx

If you can find any bad things about it, please let us know.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au


Once your wealth gets beyond a certain point, it really makes no

difference whether you keep it or give it away, after all there are
limits to how many yachts you can own (although Larry Ellison is trying
to disprove this)

It would be interesting to scale Gate's charity to an average person's
income say $50K per year and see how it compares to the general
population's efforts.