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Don McKenzie
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On 06-Oct-11 10:50 AM, Metro wrote:
sad to hear.
one of the few pioneers to the modern industry.
RIP Steve.
Don...
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/apple-founder-steve-jobs-dead/story-e6frf7jo-1226160010773Steve Jobs who died this day.
sad to hear.
one of the few pioneers to the modern industry.
RIP Steve.
Don...
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John Tserkezis
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kreed wrote:
like he entirely ignored what he originally stood for and went for 100%
marketing 0% anything else.
On the upside, I hear the iPhone 5 will have a re-designed antenna system.
Not that it needed it, the iPhone 4 antenna functioned perfectly under
all conditions.
Jobs said so.
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Knowing Murphy's Law won't help either.
Agreed, not sure what happened there approaching the iPhones, kindaHe was a great pioneer indeed with the original apple computer.
Later efforts, like locking I phones, wanting approval for software
etc, and getting the things built on slave wages, then selling at
first world prices put me right off the guy in the end.
like he entirely ignored what he originally stood for and went for 100%
marketing 0% anything else.
On the upside, I hear the iPhone 5 will have a re-designed antenna system.
Not that it needed it, the iPhone 4 antenna functioned perfectly under
all conditions.
Jobs said so.
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Knowing Murphy's Law won't help either.
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kreed
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On Oct 6, 9:50 am, "Metro" <Home@home> wrote:
Later efforts, like locking I phones, wanting approval for software
etc, and getting the things built on slave wages, then selling at
first world prices put me right off the guy in the end.
Anyway RIP Steve
He was a great pioneer indeed with the original apple computer.Steve Jobs who died this day.
Later efforts, like locking I phones, wanting approval for software
etc, and getting the things built on slave wages, then selling at
first world prices put me right off the guy in the end.
Anyway RIP Steve
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Jeßus
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On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 17:35:49 -0700 (PDT), kreed <kenreed1999@gmail.com>
wrote:
wrote:
Absolutely agree.On Oct 6, 9:50 am, "Metro" <Home@home> wrote:
Steve Jobs who died this day.
He was a great pioneer indeed with the original apple computer.
Later efforts, like locking I phones, wanting approval for software
etc, and getting the things built on slave wages, then selling at
first world prices put me right off the guy in the end.
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Metro
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"Metro" <Home@home> wrote in message
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Metro.....
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heard he was a terror to work for. Maybe we need more like him..........Steve Jobs who died this day.
Found the following. Not a bad resume for one so young. From what I have
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Metro.....
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terryc
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Metro wrote:
From
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-06/steve-jobs-obituary/3317760
"While personal computers powered by Microsoft software ruled
workplaces, Jobs envisioned people-friendly machines with mouse
controllers and icons to click on to activate programs or open files."
Umm, I thought the Apple I & II predates the IBM PC and MS OSs?Steve Jobs who died this day.
From
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-06/steve-jobs-obituary/3317760
"While personal computers powered by Microsoft software ruled
workplaces, Jobs envisioned people-friendly machines with mouse
controllers and icons to click on to activate programs or open files."
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Franc Zabkar
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On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 15:20:03 +1100, terryc
<newsninespam-spam@woa.com.au> put finger to keyboard and composed:
competent. In fact Apple seems to attract the lowest common
denominator of computer user.
Moreover, a downside of hiding absolutely everything behind a
pointy-clicky GUI is the difficulty in supporting the iProducts.
A typical problem report from an Apple user goes something like this:
"I connected my iGadget to my iThing, and there was a boop and a
balloon, but I couldn't see my iTunes. What do I click next?"
- Franc Zabkar
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<newsninespam-spam@woa.com.au> put finger to keyboard and composed:
In general I find the iCrowd annoying, pretentious, and not very"Jobs envisioned people-friendly machines with mouse
controllers and icons to click on to activate programs or open files."
competent. In fact Apple seems to attract the lowest common
denominator of computer user.
Moreover, a downside of hiding absolutely everything behind a
pointy-clicky GUI is the difficulty in supporting the iProducts.
A typical problem report from an Apple user goes something like this:
"I connected my iGadget to my iThing, and there was a boop and a
balloon, but I couldn't see my iTunes. What do I click next?"
- Franc Zabkar
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Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
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Jasen Betts
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On 2011-10-06, terryc <newsninespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:
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Apple 1 and ][ didn't have mouse or GUIMetro wrote:
Steve Jobs who died this day.
Umm, I thought the Apple I & II predates the IBM PC and MS OSs?
From
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-06/steve-jobs-obituary/3317760
"While personal computers powered by Microsoft software ruled
workplaces, Jobs envisioned people-friendly machines with mouse
controllers and icons to click on to activate programs or open files."
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Jasen Betts
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On 2011-10-07, kreed <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote:
except some graphical applications like autocad etc.
controller card running a postscript interpreter. At the time the
cntroller card had more computing power than the apple macintosh.
(I think that means HP had the first desktop laser printer)
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mouse was around before then, but expensive and not used muchOn Oct 6, 2:20Â pm, terryc <newsninespam-s...@woa.com.au> wrote:
The Mouse on the PC was around since windows 3.0-3.1 with GUI As I
recall they had limited use in DOS which was designed for keyboard
use, but some DOS applications probably had mouse support ? No idea
what Apple was doing at the time.
except some graphical applications like autocad etc.
Apple laserwriter was internally a HP laserjet mechanism with an apple2> The original IBM PC (XT 8088 based ?) first came on the market in
1981
Apple computers were first on the market around 1976-77, and therefore
they do predate the IBM PC from 1981. The IBM PC very quickly became
the standard in business and later in home use. As I recall the big
sector that
Apple had huge market share in was in desktop publishing
probably due to them having the first Laser printer circa 1984.
controller card running a postscript interpreter. At the time the
cntroller card had more computing power than the apple macintosh.
(I think that means HP had the first desktop laser printer)
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kreed
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On Oct 6, 2:20 pm, terryc <newsninespam-s...@woa.com.au> wrote:
it had an EPROM burner card, and that was the main use for it back
then with me. It had colour graphic mode (via composite PAL output to
a TV), with a fixed 2 or 4 lines of text at the bottom of the graphic
area, or 40/80 column mode with no graphics in black and white.
If Im not mistaken,
1> Mice were first used in the 1960's (look it up). Pics of a
prototype built into a block of wood with visible slotted metal wheels
with optos (probably used photocells and small incandescent bulbs back
then rather than IR LEDS ?) have been around on the net for some
time. They were around long before Apple, but it is possible that
they first made them popular or very user friendly to standards like
they are now ?
The Mouse on the PC was around since windows 3.0-3.1 with GUI As I
recall they had limited use in DOS which was designed for keyboard
use, but some DOS applications probably had mouse support ? No idea
what Apple was doing at the time.
2> The original IBM PC (XT 8088 based ?) first came on the market in
1981
3> DOS was around in the 1970's - before the PC, I remember it was
used in the TRS 80 units IIRC and that was around 1977. What
involvement Microsoft had with DOS in this era is unknown by me, and
how long it was around before that I do not know.
Apple computers were first on the market around 1976-77, and therefore
they do predate the IBM PC from 1981. The IBM PC very quickly became
the standard in business and later in home use. As I recall the big
sector that Apple had huge market share in was in desktop publishing
probably due to them having the first Laser printer circa 1984.
don't know if there was option for one. Other than for playing games,Metro wrote:
Steve Jobs who died this day.
Umm, I thought the Apple I & II predates the IBM PC and MS OSs?
Fromhttp://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-06/steve-jobs-obituary/3317760
"While personal computers powered by Microsoft software ruled
workplaces, Jobs envisioned people-friendly machines with mouse
controllers and icons to click on to activate programs or open files."
Only Apple I had in the 1980's was a II clone and It had no mouse, and
it had an EPROM burner card, and that was the main use for it back
then with me. It had colour graphic mode (via composite PAL output to
a TV), with a fixed 2 or 4 lines of text at the bottom of the graphic
area, or 40/80 column mode with no graphics in black and white.
If Im not mistaken,
1> Mice were first used in the 1960's (look it up). Pics of a
prototype built into a block of wood with visible slotted metal wheels
with optos (probably used photocells and small incandescent bulbs back
then rather than IR LEDS ?) have been around on the net for some
time. They were around long before Apple, but it is possible that
they first made them popular or very user friendly to standards like
they are now ?
The Mouse on the PC was around since windows 3.0-3.1 with GUI As I
recall they had limited use in DOS which was designed for keyboard
use, but some DOS applications probably had mouse support ? No idea
what Apple was doing at the time.
2> The original IBM PC (XT 8088 based ?) first came on the market in
1981
3> DOS was around in the 1970's - before the PC, I remember it was
used in the TRS 80 units IIRC and that was around 1977. What
involvement Microsoft had with DOS in this era is unknown by me, and
how long it was around before that I do not know.
Apple computers were first on the market around 1976-77, and therefore
they do predate the IBM PC from 1981. The IBM PC very quickly became
the standard in business and later in home use. As I recall the big
sector that Apple had huge market share in was in desktop publishing
probably due to them having the first Laser printer circa 1984.
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terryc
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kreed wrote:
mouse and there were plenty of them(apps) around. There were even
special mouse cards to free up your SIO ports.
In the early PC world, aka Dos, your application drove and used theThe Mouse on the PC was around since windows 3.0-3.1 with GUI As I
recall they had limited use in DOS which was designed for keyboard
use, but some DOS applications probably had mouse support ? No idea
what Apple was doing at the time.
mouse and there were plenty of them(apps) around. There were even
special mouse cards to free up your SIO ports.
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terryc
Guest
Jasen Betts wrote:
else put their own case and controller board to create their "laser printer"
Are you sure?. AFAIK, Canon made the first laser engine and everyoneApple laserwriter was internally a HP
else put their own case and controller board to create their "laser printer"
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Jasen Betts
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On 2011-10-07, terryc <newsninespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:
so any pen-aware software would work with a mouse too.
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mouse driver software would also emulate the bios light-pen interface.kreed wrote:
The Mouse on the PC was around since windows 3.0-3.1 with GUI As I
recall they had limited use in DOS which was designed for keyboard
use, but some DOS applications probably had mouse support ? No idea
what Apple was doing at the time.
In the early PC world, aka Dos, your application drove and used the
mouse and there were plenty of them(apps) around. There were even
special mouse cards to free up your SIO ports.
so any pen-aware software would work with a mouse too.
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Jasen Betts
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On 2011-10-07, terryc <newsninespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:
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sorry, my bad, Canon.Jasen Betts wrote:
Apple laserwriter was internally a HP
Are you sure?. AFAIK, Canon made the first laser engine and everyone
else put their own case and controller board to create their "laser printer"
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keithr
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On 6/10/2011 10:50 AM, Metro wrote:
nothing more. He took ideas from others, had his guys package them
nicely and then sold them to an adoring group of followers at inflated
prices.
He had a way overblown reputation, he was a very savvy marketing man,Steve Jobs who died this day.
nothing more. He took ideas from others, had his guys package them
nicely and then sold them to an adoring group of followers at inflated
prices.
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Trevor Wilson
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keithr wrote:
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Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
**A perfect obituary.On 6/10/2011 10:50 AM, Metro wrote:
Steve Jobs who died this day.
He had a way overblown reputation, he was a very savvy marketing man,
nothing more. He took ideas from others, had his guys package them
nicely and then sold them to an adoring group of followers at inflated
prices.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
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kreed
Guest
On Oct 9, 1:01 pm, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
Ditto.keithr wrote:
On 6/10/2011 10:50 AM, Metro wrote:
Steve Jobs who died this day.
He had a way overblown reputation, he was a very savvy marketing man,
nothing more. He took ideas from others, had his guys package them
nicely and then sold them to an adoring group of followers at inflated
prices.
**A perfect obituary.
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Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au
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Gordon Levi
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keithr <keith@nowhere.com.au> wrote:
world, not just his adoring followers, that they must have a desktop
computer and then that they needed a WIMP computer interface. He
followed that by persuading us we needed a telephone that knows where
it is and a computer that we can take to bed. Apart from some failures
like the Lisa and the NeXT workstation Jobs showed a brilliant ability
to assess the junction of cost, technology, design and consumer
desires.
I don't own any Apple products but I am sure that Jobs earned "the
adoring group of followers" and that there are some electronic gizmos
that I would like to own but that will never be produced because Jobs
is not there to launch them.
Surely it took more than "a very savvy marketing man" to convince theOn 6/10/2011 10:50 AM, Metro wrote:
Steve Jobs who died this day.
He had a way overblown reputation, he was a very savvy marketing man,
nothing more. He took ideas from others, had his guys package them
nicely and then sold them to an adoring group of followers at inflated
prices.
world, not just his adoring followers, that they must have a desktop
computer and then that they needed a WIMP computer interface. He
followed that by persuading us we needed a telephone that knows where
it is and a computer that we can take to bed. Apart from some failures
like the Lisa and the NeXT workstation Jobs showed a brilliant ability
to assess the junction of cost, technology, design and consumer
desires.
I don't own any Apple products but I am sure that Jobs earned "the
adoring group of followers" and that there are some electronic gizmos
that I would like to own but that will never be produced because Jobs
is not there to launch them.
K
keithr
Guest
On 10/10/2011 11:00 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
the team that developed it. The original Mac was a crap machine, but it
struck a chord with those who wanted an appliance rather than a computer.
Typical of Jobs was the game Breakout. Jobs took $5000 from Atari to
design it, but got Wozniak to do the work paying him $750 for it. It
says something about the man that he was prepared to rip his friend off
like that.
Smart phones and PDAs existed before the iPhone too, Its just that the
Jobs ballyhoo got the fanbois going. BTW, the original iPhone didn't
"Know where it is" that was only added in the 3G model.
existed before Apple marketed them. Most of the more recent products owe
more to Jonathon Ives than anybody else, he has the knack of designing
stuff that inspires people to pay outrageous prices for his stuff and
overlook little foibles like the built in obsolescence of not being able
to replace the battery when it dies.
Jobs pinched the WIMP interface from Xerox Parc, and Jef Raskin headedkeithr<keith@nowhere.com.au> wrote:
On 6/10/2011 10:50 AM, Metro wrote:
Steve Jobs who died this day.
He had a way overblown reputation, he was a very savvy marketing man,
nothing more. He took ideas from others, had his guys package them
nicely and then sold them to an adoring group of followers at inflated
prices.
Surely it took more than "a very savvy marketing man" to convince the
world, not just his adoring followers, that they must have a desktop
computer and then that they needed a WIMP computer interface. He
followed that by persuading us we needed a telephone that knows where
it is and a computer that we can take to bed. Apart from some failures
like the Lisa and the NeXT workstation Jobs showed a brilliant ability
to assess the junction of cost, technology, design and consumer
desires.
the team that developed it. The original Mac was a crap machine, but it
struck a chord with those who wanted an appliance rather than a computer.
Typical of Jobs was the game Breakout. Jobs took $5000 from Atari to
design it, but got Wozniak to do the work paying him $750 for it. It
says something about the man that he was prepared to rip his friend off
like that.
Smart phones and PDAs existed before the iPhone too, Its just that the
Jobs ballyhoo got the fanbois going. BTW, the original iPhone didn't
"Know where it is" that was only added in the 3G model.
Jobs launched none of them, he certainly popularised them,, bit they allI don't own any Apple products but I am sure that Jobs earned "the
adoring group of followers" and that there are some electronic gizmos
that I would like to own but that will never be produced because Jobs
is not there to launch them.
existed before Apple marketed them. Most of the more recent products owe
more to Jonathon Ives than anybody else, he has the knack of designing
stuff that inspires people to pay outrageous prices for his stuff and
overlook little foibles like the built in obsolescence of not being able
to replace the battery when it dies.