RFID chips

[Peter Hucker]

On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:33:12 -0000, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Peter Hucker wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
Peter Hucker wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:

Ours dont look like either of those, it`s just a flat disk.
Ah it`s like the last example at http://www.g6phf.co.uk/site/?p=63
That page wouldn`t open for me at first

Ah yes, the thin one.

I just checked my wheelie bins. They've just introduced them here (St
Albans) a black one and a green one. No RFIDS in the circular cut-out in
those.

I did hear somewhere that one council has given up on using them because
they were unreliable and the crews had to keep manually entering nul
values, slowing down the collections !

Surely the system could just enter no result if it can't read it?

Apparently no-one was clever enough to think of that. Maybe the idea was for the binmen to
estimate the weight ? They don't have the time so they enter zero instead.

Surely the weight is measured by the lifting arm and would always work. The RFID chip is for determining the owner of the bin.

Silly me. Misreporting at fault there. So I suppose they had to enter the street address.

I doubt a binman is capable of such a thing.

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[Eeyore]

Peter Hucker wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
Peter Hucker wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
Peter Hucker wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:

Ours dont look like either of those, it`s just a flat disk.
Ah it`s like the last example at http://www.g6phf.co.uk/site/?p=63
That page wouldn`t open for me at first

Ah yes, the thin one.

I just checked my wheelie bins. They've just introduced them here (St
Albans) a black one and a green one. No RFIDS in the circular cut-out in
those.

I did hear somewhere that one council has given up on using them because
they were unreliable and the crews had to keep manually entering nul
values, slowing down the collections !

Surely the system could just enter no result if it can't read it?

Apparently no-one was clever enough to think of that. Maybe the idea was for the binmen to
estimate the weight ? They don't have the time so they enter zero instead.

Surely the weight is measured by the lifting arm and would always work. The RFID chip is for determining the owner of the bin.

Silly me. Misreporting at fault there. So I suppose they had to enter the street address.

I doubt a binman is capable of such a thing.

Hence the delays ! I gather a councillor actually went out on a round with them to confirm all this. Astonishing for one of our
elected representatives to do anything so resourceful ! Of course maybe it was because all the RFID tags had been removed / zapped ?

Graham

 

[Allodoxaphobia]

On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:24:00 +0000, Eeyore wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

http://www.emmicroelectronic.com/webfiles/Product/RFID/DS/EM4102_DS.pdf

*) The AC Voltage on Coil is limited by the on chip voltage
limitation circuitry. This is according to the parameter Icoil
in the absolute maximum ratings.

Absolute Maximum Ratings
Maximum DC Current forced on COIL1 & COIL2 ICOIL ?30mA
Power Supply VDD -0.3 to 7.5V

AC Voltage on Coil Min 3 Typ 14. Vpk-pk

L: typical 20.8mH for fo = 125kHz

Hmmmm.......... 125kHz is below the frequency where mandatory EMC specs apply
(150kHz).

I suspect you could build and sell a legal 'zapper'.

I suspect that 15 seconds in a microwave oven would render it useless.

Now, then, what about the RFID chips that the manufacturers have been
putting in the heels of your shoes, the linings of your coats and
jackets, in the front and rear bumpers of your cars, etc., usw.?

Jonesy -- always microwaves his new shoes...
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[Jasen Betts]

On 2008-12-01, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Ron Johnson wrote:

Ron Johnson wrote:

Ours dont look like either of those, it`s just a flat disk.
Ah it`s like the last example at http://www.g6phf.co.uk/site/?p=63
That page wouldn`t open for me at first

Ah yes, the thin one.

I just checked my wheelie bins. They've just introduced them here (St
Albans) a black one and a green one. No RFIDS in the circular cut-out in
those.

I did hear somewhere that one council has given up on using them because
they were unreliable and the crews had to keep manually entering nul
values, slowing down the collections !

that probably meant the binmen had to fill in the blanks when the RFID
fails (due to lost/damaged/defective RFID token)

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2008-12-01, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

N_Cook wrote:

Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnlll> wrote

Does anybody know of a way to de-active(blowup) RFID chips?
Can their receiver coils be overloaded?
Those things get added to all sorts of non-obvious things,
and start to interfere with our privacy .

The simplest zapper is a kitchen piezo gas lighter slightly adapted

And you know this how ? ;~)

The data does say the ESD limit is 2 kV.

turn the lighter into a spark-gap transmitter
mini-emp.

 

[Eeyore]

Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2008-12-01, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:

Ours dont look like either of those, it`s just a flat disk.
Ah it`s like the last example at http://www.g6phf.co.uk/site/?p=63
That page wouldn`t open for me at first

Ah yes, the thin one.

I just checked my wheelie bins. They've just introduced them here (St
Albans) a black one and a green one. No RFIDS in the circular cut-out in
those.

I did hear somewhere that one council has given up on using them because
they were unreliable and the crews had to keep manually entering nul
values, slowing down the collections !

that probably meant the binmen had to fill in the blanks when the RFID
fails (due to lost/damaged/defective RFID token)

Exactly so !

Graham

 

[Peter Hucker]

On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:18:49 -0000, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Peter Hucker wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
Peter Hucker wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
Peter Hucker wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:

Ours dont look like either of those, it`s just a flat disk.
Ah it`s like the last example at http://www.g6phf.co.uk/site/?p=63
That page wouldn`t open for me at first

Ah yes, the thin one.

I just checked my wheelie bins. They've just introduced them here (St
Albans) a black one and a green one. No RFIDS in the circular cut-out in
those.

I did hear somewhere that one council has given up on using them because
they were unreliable and the crews had to keep manually entering nul
values, slowing down the collections !

Surely the system could just enter no result if it can't read it?

Apparently no-one was clever enough to think of that. Maybe the idea was for the binmen to
estimate the weight ? They don't have the time so they enter zero instead.

Surely the weight is measured by the lifting arm and would always work. The RFID chip is for determining the owner of the bin.

Silly me. Misreporting at fault there. So I suppose they had to enter the street address.

I doubt a binman is capable of such a thing.

Hence the delays ! I gather a councillor actually went out on a round with them to confirm all this. Astonishing for one of our
elected representatives to do anything so resourceful ! Of course maybe it was because all the RFID tags had been removed / zapped ?

I want to see the look of dismay as he realised his spying plan was going down the drain.

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[Peter Hucker]

On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:04:29 -0000, Allodoxaphobia <bit-bucket@config.com> wrote:

On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:24:00 +0000, Eeyore wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

http://www.emmicroelectronic.com/webfiles/Product/RFID/DS/EM4102_DS.pdf

*) The AC Voltage on Coil is limited by the on chip voltage
limitation circuitry. This is according to the parameter Icoil
in the absolute maximum ratings.

Absolute Maximum Ratings
Maximum DC Current forced on COIL1 & COIL2 ICOIL ?30mA
Power Supply VDD -0.3 to 7.5V

AC Voltage on Coil Min 3 Typ 14. Vpk-pk

L: typical 20.8mH for fo = 125kHz

Hmmmm.......... 125kHz is below the frequency where mandatory EMC specs apply
(150kHz).

I suspect you could build and sell a legal 'zapper'.

I suspect that 15 seconds in a microwave oven would render it useless.

Now, then, what about the RFID chips that the manufacturers have been
putting in the heels of your shoes, the linings of your coats and
jackets, in the front and rear bumpers of your cars, etc., usw.?

Jonesy -- always microwaves his new shoes...

DO NOT EVER microwave a pair of shoes you have been wearing. Imagine smelly feet multiplied by about 500.

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"Peter Hucker" <none@spam.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:21:31 -0000, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



Peter Hucker wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:

Ours dont look like either of those, it`s just a flat disk.
Ah it`s like the last example at http://www.g6phf.co.uk/site/?p=63
That page wouldn`t open for me at first

Ah yes, the thin one.

I just checked my wheelie bins. They've just introduced them here (St
Albans) a black one and a green one. No RFIDS in the circular cut-out
in
those.

I did hear somewhere that one council has given up on using them
because
they were unreliable and the crews had to keep manually entering nul
values, slowing down the collections !

Surely the system could just enter no result if it can't read it?

Apparently no-one was clever enough to think of that. Maybe the idea was
for the binmen to
estimate the weight ? They don't have the time so they enter zero
instead.

Surely the weight is measured by the lifting arm and would always work.
The RFID chip is for determining the owner of the bin.

Which would only work if the binmen always returned the bin to the same

house. Mine do seem to manage to do that though. How about a comunity scheme
where everybody swaps bins a few houses to the right every week?

 

[ian field]

"Jasen Betts" <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote in message
news:gh2reg$e6d$2@reversiblemaps.ath.cx...

On 2008-12-01, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:


N_Cook wrote:

Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnlll> wrote

Does anybody know of a way to de-active(blowup) RFID chips?
Can their receiver coils be overloaded?
Those things get added to all sorts of non-obvious things,
and start to interfere with our privacy .

The simplest zapper is a kitchen piezo gas lighter slightly adapted

And you know this how ? ;~)

The data does say the ESD limit is 2 kV.

turn the lighter into a spark-gap transmitter
mini-emp.

I was thinking car CDI powered by a SLA battery and triggered by a 555
astable.

 

[Chris Jones]

ian field wrote:

"Jasen Betts" <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote in message
news:gh2reg$e6d$2@reversiblemaps.ath.cx...
On 2008-12-01, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:


N_Cook wrote:

Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnlll> wrote

Does anybody know of a way to de-active(blowup) RFID chips?
Can their receiver coils be overloaded?
Those things get added to all sorts of non-obvious things,
and start to interfere with our privacy .

The simplest zapper is a kitchen piezo gas lighter slightly adapted

And you know this how ? ;~)

The data does say the ESD limit is 2 kV.

turn the lighter into a spark-gap transmitter
mini-emp.


I was thinking car CDI powered by a SLA battery and triggered by a 555
astable.

People have made a thing from the flash of a disposable camera with a little
coil.
http://events.ccc.de/congress/2005/static/r/f/i/RFID-Zapper(EN)_77f3.html
http://itp.nyu.edu/everybit/blog/media/rfid-zapper.pdf

If it won't damage the rest of the product then a few seconds in the
microwave oven would do the job too.

Chris