Revised technical question:

[Richard Crowley]

Somebody ("Brian Oakley"?) wrote...

Hate to say it Richard,

This person is right........ You cannot create a bandpass
audio filter with just a cap

Of course not, and I never said you could.

This entire thread has progressed WAY BEYOND anything
useful. We are all speculating about what the OP was
asking and doing nothing but wasting time and bandwidth.
I'm done.

 

[Switch]

"Brian Oakley" <brianoakley@ispwest.com> wrote in message
news:bu496a01kqo@enews1.newsguy.com...

Again, 8 ohms was not mentioned in the original post. 1000 ohms was the
load. For all you kids out there that dont know it, there is a lot of older
equipment that use higher impedence output audio. It can range from 6k ohms
on down to 8 these days. If Im not mistaken, PA systems use higher impedence
loads to limit the current drawn from the system.

Yep, you'd be mistaken

PA systems run in very low impedance

2 ohms is common thru to 8 ohms. Only high frequency drivers use 16ohms as nominal
impedance. Series Parallel is never used on low frequency transducers.

Qsc Audio, Crown, Carver, Bryston, Crest, BGW, Peavey, all manufacturers of power amps for
PA use. All have minimum impedance of 2ohms, and typically, a dual 18" subwoofer has a 4
ohm impedance (2 8ohm 18" drivers in parallel)

Ever put a cap across a speaker load? Introduces harmonics that aren't supposed to be
there, even at low power levels. Ummmm??

 

[Switch]

"Brian Oakley" <brianoakley@ispwest.com> wrote in message
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"Switch" <clubkidd_toronto@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I will accomodate your wish about top posting. And dont be telling
people
what to do.

Usenet rules.... read the FAQ and rules and regulations of usenet, it is
in black and
white.

Doesnt matter, its not your job to tell people what to do. You can explain
the rules, but assuming to be the boss doesnt make you someones boss kid.

Contrary:

abuse of the usenet can be reported to your isp for traceroute. Everyone (even dynamic)
IP addresses get authenticated.

Usually abuse@yourisp.com fill in your isp. (ie: someone posting illegal material in
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Please understand that your post appears to not only this newsgroup, it gets posted on
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Read up sometime, not following the rules doesn't mean you're better than anyone else.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Switch wrote:

"Brian Oakley" <brianoakley@ispwest.com> wrote in message
news:bu496a01kqo@enews1.newsguy.com...

Again, 8 ohms was not mentioned in the original post. 1000 ohms was the
load. For all you kids out there that dont know it, there is a lot of older
equipment that use higher impedence output audio. It can range from 6k ohms
on down to 8 these days. If Im not mistaken, PA systems use higher impedence
loads to limit the current drawn from the system.


Yep, you'd be mistaken

No, you are the one who is mistaken.

PA systems run in very low impedance

Real PA systems use what is needed for the job at hand.

2 ohms is common thru to 8 ohms. Only high frequency drivers use 16ohms as nominal
impedance. Series Parallel is never used on low frequency transducers.

Qsc Audio, Crown, Carver, Bryston, Crest, BGW, Peavey, all manufacturers of power amps for
PA use. All have minimum impedance of 2ohms, and typically, a dual 18" subwoofer has a 4
ohm impedance (2 8ohm 18" drivers in parallel)

You are confusing musical equipment with real "PA" equipment. It is
meant for portable setups with short cables, and temporary use.

Ever put a cap across a speaker load? Introduces harmonics that aren't supposed to be
there, even at low power levels. Ummmm??

Those are not the only "PA" amps. There are a lot of 25V, 70V, and
100V constant voltage systems which are high impedance. Tell me how far
you can run 200 watts at 2 ohms? A 70 volt system would be 5000/200 or
25 ohms. which can stand a five ohm loop resistance better? How about a
25 watt speaker with a 3000 foot loop?

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[Switch]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:40072641.554A1C2D@earthlink.net...

Yep, you'd be mistaken

No, you are the one who is mistaken.


PA systems run in very low impedance

Real PA systems use what is needed for the job at hand.

2 ohms is common thru to 8 ohms. Only high frequency drivers use 16ohms as nominal
impedance. Series Parallel is never used on low frequency transducers.

Qsc Audio, Crown, Carver, Bryston, Crest, BGW, Peavey, all manufacturers of power amps
for
PA use. All have minimum impedance of 2ohms, and typically, a dual 18" subwoofer has
a 4
ohm impedance (2 8ohm 18" drivers in parallel)

You are confusing musical equipment with real "PA" equipment. It is
meant for portable setups with short cables, and temporary use.

These are not musical equipment, they are power amplifiers, the SAME type of amp you can
drive a 70V speaker system with, just put a transformer on the output of the amp!!!!! duh.

Ever put a cap across a speaker load? Introduces harmonics that aren't supposed to be

Those are not the only "PA" amps. There are a lot of 25V, 70V, and
100V constant voltage systems which are high impedance. Tell me how far
you can run 200 watts at 2 ohms?

read below, 200watts at 2ohms is quite low power, several hundred feet with the
appropriate AWG wire. I've installed ElectroVoice MTL-4 (2ohm sub cabinet uses 4 18"
woofers in a manifold/bandpass box), with a 1800W/ch power amplifier using 10AWG wire in a
nightclub over 200 feet. The damping was only slightly affected because the amplifier had
a damping factor of >2000, amplifiers with low damping factors cannot dampen the speakers
over a long distance of wire. Read below for an explanation of damping.

A 70 volt system would be 5000/200 or

25 ohms. which can stand a five ohm loop resistance better? How about a
25 watt speaker with a 3000 foot loop? <I didn't really understand your question here,
impedance matching is all done in parallel, each speaker down the line is on a transformer

that has tappings.

You're absolutely correct, except the way a 100V or 70V system works is if you have a 100W
amp, you can run (10) 10W speakers. Impedance isn't typically necessary to calculate,
wire size isn't even a factor, you can use 16AWG, 18, heck, even 24AWG will do it!!

Yes, the wire length does make a difference, my company happens to install the stuff on a
regular basis into hotels, restaurants, banquet halls, etc...

The impedance of a 70V system is irrelevant because of how high the impedance is, as well
as there won't be any noticable difference when you remove or add speakers in the line.

70V is pretty much the standard for North America. I buy 100V systems from Europe, same
difference, just higher voltage.

The speakers are still 8-16 ohms on the other end, the matching transformers are tapped so
you can select the W, typically .5,2,4,8,20 watts being the highest as most transformers
start to saturate at high power levels (including those being produced by the amp).

A Crown MacroTech 3600 (which is a stereo power amp typically driving 2-8ohm loads) in
bridge mode can run 100 10W tapped speakers without worry about the "head" transformer
getting saturated, because it can run right off the amp into all your tapped speakers down
the line.


70V and other transformer speaker loads are not capable of playing full range (20-20Khz).
They are low power.

You can typically drive a 2500W/ch stereo amp at 2ohms using 10AWG wire about 200feet. At
this distance, the damping factor is way out of wack, which means the amplifier has very
little control over what the driver is doing. A short wire run from an amp creates the
highest damping possible, when the music stops playing (bass hit), the amp will control
the speaker and it will not 'flop' around.

In this case of high power, it is desirable to put the amplifier behind the speaker
stacks, run balanced XLR signal cable out to the amps (up to a maximum of 1000 feet
without distribution amplifiers), and voila.

200 watts is super low power. A Crown MacroTech 5000 is 5000W bridged into a 4ohm load
using a 220V/30A supply and has such a high damping factor, that if you use 8AWG wire, you
could literally blow up any speaker load you put on it.
The use of such an amp is strictly for driving low frequency cabinets.

I've been doing professional audio in North America for the past 25 years.


PA means public address, 25,000 screaming concert goers, or a million people at the
Million Man March still need to hear, heheh, I don't think we'd use 70V systems in that
case.

Little known fact, 70V and similar audio systems make up for 80% of the sales of
professional audio equipment, may even be more now!

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Switch wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:40072641.554A1C2D@earthlink.net...
Yep, you'd be mistaken

No, you are the one who is mistaken.


PA systems run in very low impedance

Real PA systems use what is needed for the job at hand.

2 ohms is common thru to 8 ohms. Only high frequency drivers use 16ohms as nominal
impedance. Series Parallel is never used on low frequency transducers.

Qsc Audio, Crown, Carver, Bryston, Crest, BGW, Peavey, all manufacturers of power amps
for
PA use. All have minimum impedance of 2ohms, and typically, a dual 18" subwoofer has
a 4
ohm impedance (2 8ohm 18" drivers in parallel)

You are confusing musical equipment with real "PA" equipment. It is
meant for portable setups with short cables, and temporary use.


These are not musical equipment, they are power amplifiers, the SAME type of amp you can
drive a 70V speaker system with, just put a transformer on the output of the amp!!!!! duh.

Ever put a cap across a speaker load? Introduces harmonics that aren't supposed to be

Those are not the only "PA" amps. There are a lot of 25V, 70V, and
100V constant voltage systems which are high impedance. Tell me how far
you can run 200 watts at 2 ohms?

read below, 200watts at 2ohms is quite low power, several hundred feet with the
appropriate AWG wire. I've installed ElectroVoice MTL-4 (2ohm sub cabinet uses 4 18"
woofers in a manifold/bandpass box), with a 1800W/ch power amplifier using 10AWG wire in a
nightclub over 200 feet. The damping was only slightly affected because the amplifier had
a damping factor of >2000, amplifiers with low damping factors cannot dampen the speakers
over a long distance of wire. Read below for an explanation of damping.

A 70 volt system would be 5000/200 or
25 ohms. which can stand a five ohm loop resistance better? How about a
25 watt speaker with a 3000 foot loop? <I didn't really understand your question here,
impedance matching is all done in parallel, each speaker down the line is on a transformer
that has tappings.

You're absolutely correct, except the way a 100V or 70V system works is if you have a 100W
amp, you can run (10) 10W speakers. Impedance isn't typically necessary to calculate,
wire size isn't even a factor, you can use 16AWG, 18, heck, even 24AWG will do it!!

Yes, the wire length does make a difference, my company happens to install the stuff on a
regular basis into hotels, restaurants, banquet halls, etc...

The impedance of a 70V system is irrelevant because of how high the impedance is, as well
as there won't be any noticable difference when you remove or add speakers in the line.

70V is pretty much the standard for North America. I buy 100V systems from Europe, same
difference, just higher voltage.

The speakers are still 8-16 ohms on the other end, the matching transformers are tapped so
you can select the W, typically .5,2,4,8,20 watts being the highest as most transformers
start to saturate at high power levels (including those being produced by the amp).

A Crown MacroTech 3600 (which is a stereo power amp typically driving 2-8ohm loads) in
bridge mode can run 100 10W tapped speakers without worry about the "head" transformer
getting saturated, because it can run right off the amp into all your tapped speakers down
the line.

70V and other transformer speaker loads are not capable of playing full range (20-20Khz).
They are low power.

You can typically drive a 2500W/ch stereo amp at 2ohms using 10AWG wire about 200feet. At
this distance, the damping factor is way out of wack, which means the amplifier has very
little control over what the driver is doing. A short wire run from an amp creates the
highest damping possible, when the music stops playing (bass hit), the amp will control
the speaker and it will not 'flop' around.

In this case of high power, it is desirable to put the amplifier behind the speaker
stacks, run balanced XLR signal cable out to the amps (up to a maximum of 1000 feet
without distribution amplifiers), and voila.

200 watts is super low power. A Crown MacroTech 5000 is 5000W bridged into a 4ohm load
using a 220V/30A supply and has such a high damping factor, that if you use 8AWG wire, you
could literally blow up any speaker load you put on it.
The use of such an amp is strictly for driving low frequency cabinets.

I've been doing professional audio in North America for the past 25 years.

PA means public address, 25,000 screaming concert goers, or a million people at the
Million Man March still need to hear, heheh, I don't think we'd use 70V systems in that
case.

Little known fact, 70V and similar audio systems make up for 80% of the sales of
professional audio equipment, may even be more now!

I started working in commercial sound systems over 35 years ago. I
owned my own commercial sound business before I moved on to broadcast
engineering at radio and TV stations, then on to manufacturing microwave
Telemetry equipment, including a system aboard the International Space
Station. I did schools, churches factories, and a lot of outdoor events.
I sold, serviced and rented equipment, and built custom control systems.
I also provided equipment for parade floats. The one thing you never do
in the sound business is let a politician use a system on credit when
they are running for office. If they win, they don't know you, and if
they lose, they can't pay their bills. As far as the rentals systems,
the worst was doing three events in one day, in three different towns
with the same equipment with one truck and a crew of three people.


To get the output impedance of any constant voltage system you square
the voltage, then divide by the rated power.

25V = 25*25 or 625 Ohms/Watt
70V = 70*70 or 5000 Ohms/Watt
100V = 100*100 or 10000 Ohms/Watt

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Central Florida

 

[Brian Oakley]

"Switch" <clubkidd_toronto@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Brian Oakley" <brianoakley@ispwest.com> wrote in message
news:bu457h019l0@enews1.newsguy.com...

"Switch" <clubkidd_toronto@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:mQYLb.2994$fM3.22211@news20.bellglobal.com...

I will accomodate your wish about top posting. And dont be telling
people
what to do.

Usenet rules.... read the FAQ and rules and regulations of usenet, it
is
in black and
white.

Doesnt matter, its not your job to tell people what to do. You can
explain
the rules, but assuming to be the boss doesnt make you someones boss
kid.


Contrary:

abuse of the usenet can be reported to your isp for traceroute. Everyone
(even dynamic)
IP addresses get authenticated.

Usually abuse@yourisp.com fill in your isp. (ie: someone posting illegal
material in
newsgroups can't get away with it, hate mongerers etc...)

Please understand that your post appears to not only this newsgroup, it
gets posted on
almost every electronics website with a forum, that means, MILLIONS of
people get to see
your top post.

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/posting-rules/part1/ (just an example,
try google)

Read up sometime, not following the rules doesn't mean you're better than
anyone else.

As I said in my last post, its not your job to tell someone what to do. You
may explain the rules but youre attempting to be the boss is inappropriate.
If you dont like the way I post, youre free to complain to whomever you
wish, but you dont have the right to tell anyone what to do.
Brian Oakley

 

[Winfield Hill]

Switch wrote...

Anything less than 6db/octave is useless in audio.

This is wrong. There are many uses of 6dB/octave or lower
response slopes, such as in areas of feedback stabilization,
line equalization, signal processing, etc. And a -3dB/octave
filter is the easiest way to make pink noise from white noise.
Although it may not seem so to some, pink noise generation is
an important capability to many audio experts. Plus it makes
a great background-masking sound for sleeping.

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

 

[Davis Redding]

"Winfield Hill" <Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:bugl6202ka9@drn.newsguy.com...

Switch wrote...

Anything less than 6db/octave is useless in audio.

This is wrong. There are many uses of 6dB/octave or lower
response slopes, such as in areas of feedback stabilization,
line equalization, signal processing, etc. And a -3dB/octave
filter is the easiest way to make pink noise from white noise.
Although it may not seem so to some, pink noise generation is
an important capability to many audio experts. Plus it makes
a great background-masking sound for sleeping.

You still missed the point, in audio, you don't use filter slopes less than 6db/octave,
read up on professional audio, in fact, speakers themselves naturally taper off
(attenuate), when they reach the limit of their frequency response.

Typically, a 24db/octave Linkwitz or Butterworth passive networks are used when you are
crosing over speaker components in professional loudspeakers, and most good home audio
uses at least 12db/octave.

So what was your point? read the threads, it is relating to passive crossover networks.

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

 

[Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun]

In article <bufl8f01ia3@enews4.newsguy.com>, brianoakley@ispwest.com
mentioned...

"Switch" <clubkidd_toronto@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Brian Oakley" <brianoakley@ispwest.com> wrote in message
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"Switch" <clubkidd_toronto@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:mQYLb.2994$fM3.22211@news20.bellglobal.com...

I will accomodate your wish about top posting. And dont be telling
people
what to do.

Usenet rules.... read the FAQ and rules and regulations of usenet, it
is
in black and
white.

Doesnt matter, its not your job to tell people what to do. You can
explain
the rules, but assuming to be the boss doesnt make you someones boss
kid.


Contrary:

abuse of the usenet can be reported to your isp for traceroute. Everyone
(even dynamic)
IP addresses get authenticated.

Usually abuse@yourisp.com fill in your isp. (ie: someone posting illegal
material in
newsgroups can't get away with it, hate mongerers etc...)

Please understand that your post appears to not only this newsgroup, it
gets posted on
almost every electronics website with a forum, that means, MILLIONS of
people get to see
your top post.

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/posting-rules/part1/ (just an example,
try google)

Read up sometime, not following the rules doesn't mean you're better than
anyone else.

As I said in my last post, its not your job to tell someone what to do. You
may explain the rules but youre attempting to be the boss is inappropriate.
If you dont like the way I post, youre free to complain to whomever you
wish, but you dont have the right to tell anyone what to do.
Brian Oakley

Usenet us a mutally cooperative medium. If you don't cooperate, no
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[Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun]

In article <bugl6202ka9@drn.newsguy.com>, Winfield_member@newsguy.com
mentioned...

Switch wrote...

Anything less than 6db/octave is useless in audio.

This is wrong. There are many uses of 6dB/octave or lower
response slopes, such as in areas of feedback stabilization,
line equalization, signal processing, etc. And a -3dB/octave
filter is the easiest way to make pink noise from white noise.
Although it may not seem so to some, pink noise generation is
an important capability to many audio experts. Plus it makes
a great background-masking sound for sleeping.

Which reminds me. There's a stray cat in the neighborhood who has now
taken up residence under the gas meter in my patio. He sleeps there
much of the time. I'm thinking that the constant hiss of the gas
meter may make him oblivious to the surrounding sounds. Or maybe he's
getting high of the fumes? I dunno, but I'm looking for a way to make
it more unattractive for him. Maybe a can of catnip..

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

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[Michael A. Terrell]

"Watson A.Name - Watt Sun, Dark Remover" wrote:

Which reminds me. There's a stray cat in the neighborhood who has now
taken up residence under the gas meter in my patio. He sleeps there
much of the time. I'm thinking that the constant hiss of the gas
meter may make him oblivious to the surrounding sounds. Or maybe he's
getting high of the fumes? I dunno, but I'm looking for a way to make
it more unattractive for him. Maybe a can of catnip..

Just plant some catnip seeds somewhere else. When it starts to bloom,
the cat will go to it, along with every other stray around. ;-)

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[Davis Redding]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:400C508B.77A121B@earthlink.net...

"Watson A.Name - Watt Sun, Dark Remover" wrote:

Which reminds me. There's a stray cat in the neighborhood who has now
taken up residence under the gas meter in my patio. He sleeps there
much of the time. I'm thinking that the constant hiss of the gas
meter may make him oblivious to the surrounding sounds. Or maybe he's
getting high of the fumes? I dunno, but I'm looking for a way to make
it more unattractive for him. Maybe a can of catnip..

Just plant some catnip seeds somewhere else. When it starts to bloom,
the cat will go to it, along with every other stray around. ;-)

Or, using a small motion sensing circuit, combined with a blow torch nozzle and solenoid
to turn on the gas to the torch, with an ignition circuit, light the thing and I'm sure
the cat will start to hate it quite quickly!

Or, the cat might like the warm breeze from the torch?!??! Don't cats like catnip?

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[Harry Conover]

Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, Dark Remover" <alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.1a75d45ff498765b989b5c@news.dslextreme.com>...

In article <bugl6202ka9@drn.newsguy.com>, Winfield_member@newsguy.com
mentioned...
Switch wrote...

Anything less than 6db/octave is useless in audio.

This is wrong. There are many uses of 6dB/octave or lower
response slopes, such as in areas of feedback stabilization,
line equalization, signal processing, etc. And a -3dB/octave
filter is the easiest way to make pink noise from white noise.
Although it may not seem so to some, pink noise generation is
an important capability to many audio experts. Plus it makes
a great background-masking sound for sleeping.

Which reminds me. There's a stray cat in the neighborhood who has now
taken up residence under the gas meter in my patio. He sleeps there
much of the time. I'm thinking that the constant hiss of the gas
meter may make him oblivious to the surrounding sounds. Or maybe he's
getting high of the fumes? I dunno, but I'm looking for a way to make
it more unattractive for him. Maybe a can of catnip..

Perhaps it's just trying to stay warm, because in the low temperatures
we are experiencing these days, the gas being fed underground to your
gas meter is warmer by far than the ambient.

Have you considered inviting this poor guy/gal into your home during
the really cold nights? An old towel or blanket spread on the floor
can provide a wonderful, warm bed, and a few easily and hastily
constructed barriers can prevent your "guest" from straying into areas
where he/she is not being welcomed.

The gift of a warm and safe place to sleep for the night is always
appreciated by domesticated animals who, in contrast to unknown
humans, pose no threat. You may even make a new friend.

Harry C.

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com


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Just when you thought you had all this figured out, the gov't
changed it: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html
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[Michael A. Terrell]

Davis Redding wrote:

Or, using a small motion sensing circuit, combined with a blow torch nozzle and solenoid
to turn on the gas to the torch, with an ignition circuit, light the thing and I'm sure
the cat will start to hate it quite quickly!

Or, the cat might like the warm breeze from the torch?!??! Don't cats like catnip?

"Like" is a gross understatement. They go berserk around it. A tiny
amount drives them crazy. We planted a few seeds at the back of our
garden once, and when it started to bloom, the place was full of cats
trying to get as close as possible to the plants.


--
We now return you to our normally scheduled programming.

Take a look at this little cutie! ;-)
http://home.earthlink.net/~mike.terrell/photos.html

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Brian Oakley]

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I will accomodate your wish about top posting. And dont be
telling
people
what to do.

Usenet rules.... read the FAQ and rules and regulations of usenet,
it
is
in black and
white.

Doesnt matter, its not your job to tell people what to do. You can
explain
the rules, but assuming to be the boss doesnt make you someones boss
kid.


Contrary:

abuse of the usenet can be reported to your isp for traceroute.
Everyone
(even dynamic)
IP addresses get authenticated.

Usually abuse@yourisp.com fill in your isp. (ie: someone posting
illegal
material in
newsgroups can't get away with it, hate mongerers etc...)

Please understand that your post appears to not only this newsgroup,
it
gets posted on
almost every electronics website with a forum, that means, MILLIONS of
people get to see
your top post.

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/posting-rules/part1/ (just an
example,
try google)

Read up sometime, not following the rules doesn't mean you're better
than
anyone else.

As I said in my last post, its not your job to tell someone what to do.
You
may explain the rules but youre attempting to be the boss is
inappropriate.
If you dont like the way I post, youre free to complain to whomever you
wish, but you dont have the right to tell anyone what to do.
Brian Oakley

Usenet us a mutally cooperative medium. If you don't cooperate, no
one reads your posts. Simple as that. Keep on giving others a hard
time and you'll get plonked by everyone. Last one was DM, which now
means Doesn't Matter, because he's in my killfile.

--
Hey, its a free country. "Plonk" away.

Brian