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This current $90 AMD desktop processor will stomp all over both at
50 watts. though also part of that is also bigger cache, higher
memory bandwidth and FSB clocks:
On 3/2/20 4:02 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 2:22:29 PM UTC-5, Jeroen Belleman
wrote:
These days however, developers have top-of-the-line hardware and
develop bloated applications that can only run on
top-of-the-line hardware.
By "top-of-the-line" he means something sold in the last 10
years. There actually hasn't been a large improvement in
computing speed to other capabilities in the last 10 years. The
main limitation of any PC is memory. People who buy a machine
with limited amounts of RAM will find the machine slows down
pretty much out of the gate and only gets worse with updates and
various drivers and apps that are added but never removed. They
blame it on developer "bloat" because they don't understand this
simple fact.
Performance-per-watt has increased substantially. My dual-core
Intel i7 mobile laptop processor from 2018 has about equal
performance drawing 15 watts as my 90 watt AMD Phenom II six-core
desktop processor from 8-9 years ago does.
This current $90 AMD desktop processor will stomp all over both at
50 watts. though also part of that is also bigger cache, higher
memory bandwidth and FSB clocks:
https://www.google.com/search?q=AMD+Ryzen+3+3200G+4-Core&oq=AMD+Ry
zen+3+3200G+4-Core&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60.235j0j9&sourceid=chrome&
ie=UTF-8
The last few machines I bought were already some four or five
years old but had adequate memory for the task they were intended
for. Some only had 8 GB because they would not be used for
anything other than lab machines running simple test programs.
My personal machine was bought with 32 GB of RAM and is still fat
and happy with all the browser tabs I keep open and any design
tool I use. Not bad for $600. It's a bear though. Weighs a ton
and my legs never get cold on winter nights. lol Summer can be
a bit uncomfortable though.
Get a decent mid range computer and upgrade the RAM when it
starts to drag. You will find your CPU can handle pretty much
all the apps anyone writes for it unless you are trying to do
major video editing or something really compute intensive.
As if there weren't slow load times and sluggish software that
only performed well on top-of-the-line hardware in the 80s and
90s. Example: windows 3.1. Try running that on a 386SX 16 MHz with
2 megs of RAM, it's usable but not pleasant I remember cuz I had
one. And remember that machine cost the better part of TWO
THOUSAND dollars in 1992 when 3.1 was released.
It was indeed better on 4, not every even mid-tier 386 mobo
supported 4 megs of RAM. a 486DX-class with 8 was ideal. 1 meg
sticks of RAM cost about $80 in 1992 dollars, in 1992. A
business-class machine with a 486DX 33MHz, 8 megs of RAM and 500
meg hard drive with SVGA monitor cost about $5-7k then.
In the extreme case in the 1980s my buddy and I sometimes waited
15 minutes to load a game into the Commodore 64 from a cassette.
On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 06:28:35 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
Remember when one had to type in "win" at the DOS prompt to run
Windows?
Some used computers then and remember.
Kids today got it way too easy.
They should have to start out on an XT and learn about it bit by bit
(thanks, Barbara) and pass data over a 2400 baud modem connection,
and THEN get to use the new stuff.
Must one suffer before enlightenment?
I'm also glad I had to do those steps, and put in the HDD because
my first PC came without one. It didn't take me 2 weeks but I'm
glad I had to do it.
Today they should come with Python and a book but they
don't.
"Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote
in news:r3m7jp$pu4$1@dont-email.me:
I'm also glad I had to do those steps, and put in the HDD because
my first PC came without one. It didn't take me 2 weeks but I'm
glad I had to do it.
Low level BIOS initialization on an MFM hard drive was a fun chore.
And that was just the beginning.
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
news:WIf7G.66672$yg4.12246@fx27.iad:
On 3/2/20 4:02 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 2:22:29 PM UTC-5, Jeroen Belleman
wrote:
These days however, developers have top-of-the-line hardware and
develop bloated applications that can only run on
top-of-the-line hardware.
By "top-of-the-line" he means something sold in the last 10
years. There actually hasn't been a large improvement in
computing speed to other capabilities in the last 10 years. The
main limitation of any PC is memory. People who buy a machine
with limited amounts of RAM will find the machine slows down
pretty much out of the gate and only gets worse with updates and
various drivers and apps that are added but never removed. They
blame it on developer "bloat" because they don't understand this
simple fact.
Performance-per-watt has increased substantially. My dual-core
Intel i7 mobile laptop processor from 2018 has about equal
performance drawing 15 watts as my 90 watt AMD Phenom II six-core
desktop processor from 8-9 years ago does.
This current $90 AMD desktop processor will stomp all over both at
50 watts. though also part of that is also bigger cache, higher
memory bandwidth and FSB clocks:
https://www.google.com/search?q=AMD+Ryzen+3+3200G+4-Core&oq=AMD+Ry
zen+3+3200G+4-Core&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60.235j0j9&sourceid=chrome&
ie=UTF-8
The last few machines I bought were already some four or five
years old but had adequate memory for the task they were intended
for. Some only had 8 GB because they would not be used for
anything other than lab machines running simple test programs.
My personal machine was bought with 32 GB of RAM and is still fat
and happy with all the browser tabs I keep open and any design
tool I use. Not bad for $600. It's a bear though. Weighs a ton
and my legs never get cold on winter nights. lol Summer can be
a bit uncomfortable though.
Get a decent mid range computer and upgrade the RAM when it
starts to drag. You will find your CPU can handle pretty much
all the apps anyone writes for it unless you are trying to do
major video editing or something really compute intensive.
As if there weren't slow load times and sluggish software that
only performed well on top-of-the-line hardware in the 80s and
90s. Example: windows 3.1. Try running that on a 386SX 16 MHz with
2 megs of RAM, it's usable but not pleasant I remember cuz I had
one. And remember that machine cost the better part of TWO
THOUSAND dollars in 1992 when 3.1 was released.
It was indeed better on 4, not every even mid-tier 386 mobo
supported 4 megs of RAM. a 486DX-class with 8 was ideal. 1 meg
sticks of RAM cost about $80 in 1992 dollars, in 1992. A
business-class machine with a 486DX 33MHz, 8 megs of RAM and 500
meg hard drive with SVGA monitor cost about $5-7k then.
In the extreme case in the 1980s my buddy and I sometimes waited
15 minutes to load a game into the Commodore 64 from a cassette.
I paid nearly $600 for my first full ht 1GB HD.
I paid nearly that much for my first 16MB set of RAM for my 486.
I had a 486 EISA box at one time too.
My first 0.25 mm pitch SVGA vertically flat sony tube viewsonic
display cosy me over $500 too back then ('91 I think). Damn thing
broke in less than a year and Viewsonic would not give me an RMA to
send it in for repair. Dirty bastards. And I like a stupid ass have
bought severel more of their products, though their quality has
improved greatly, likely using the cash from folks like me on their
overpriced failed shit.
On 3/2/20 5:54 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
news:WIf7G.66672$yg4.12246@fx27.iad:
On 3/2/20 4:02 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 2:22:29 PM UTC-5, Jeroen Belleman
wrote:
These days however, developers have top-of-the-line hardware and
develop bloated applications that can only run on
top-of-the-line hardware.
By "top-of-the-line" he means something sold in the last 10
years. There actually hasn't been a large improvement in
computing speed to other capabilities in the last 10 years. The
main limitation of any PC is memory. People who buy a machine
with limited amounts of RAM will find the machine slows down
pretty much out of the gate and only gets worse with updates and
various drivers and apps that are added but never removed. They
blame it on developer "bloat" because they don't understand this
simple fact.
Performance-per-watt has increased substantially. My dual-core
Intel i7 mobile laptop processor from 2018 has about equal
performance drawing 15 watts as my 90 watt AMD Phenom II six-core
desktop processor from 8-9 years ago does.
This current $90 AMD desktop processor will stomp all over both at
50 watts. though also part of that is also bigger cache, higher
memory bandwidth and FSB clocks:
https://www.google.com/search?q=AMD+Ryzen+3+3200G+4-Core&oq=AMD+Ry
zen+3+3200G+4-Core&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60.235j0j9&sourceid=chrome&
ie=UTF-8
The last few machines I bought were already some four or five
years old but had adequate memory for the task they were intended
for. Some only had 8 GB because they would not be used for
anything other than lab machines running simple test programs.
My personal machine was bought with 32 GB of RAM and is still fat
and happy with all the browser tabs I keep open and any design
tool I use. Not bad for $600. It's a bear though. Weighs a ton
and my legs never get cold on winter nights. lol Summer can be
a bit uncomfortable though.
Get a decent mid range computer and upgrade the RAM when it
starts to drag. You will find your CPU can handle pretty much
all the apps anyone writes for it unless you are trying to do
major video editing or something really compute intensive.
As if there weren't slow load times and sluggish software that
only performed well on top-of-the-line hardware in the 80s and
90s. Example: windows 3.1. Try running that on a 386SX 16 MHz with
2 megs of RAM, it's usable but not pleasant I remember cuz I had
one. And remember that machine cost the better part of TWO
THOUSAND dollars in 1992 when 3.1 was released.
It was indeed better on 4, not every even mid-tier 386 mobo
supported 4 megs of RAM. a 486DX-class with 8 was ideal. 1 meg
sticks of RAM cost about $80 in 1992 dollars, in 1992. A
business-class machine with a 486DX 33MHz, 8 megs of RAM and 500
meg hard drive with SVGA monitor cost about $5-7k then.
In the extreme case in the 1980s my buddy and I sometimes waited
15 minutes to load a game into the Commodore 64 from a cassette.
 I paid nearly $600 for my first full ht 1GB HD.
  I paid nearly that much for my first 16MB set of RAM for my 486.
  I had a 486 EISA box at one time too.
  My first 0.25 mm pitch SVGA vertically flat sony tube viewsonic
display cosy me over $500 too back then ('91 I think). Damn thing
broke in less than a year and Viewsonic would not give me an RMA to
send it in for repair. Dirty bastards. And I like a stupid ass have
bought severel more of their products, though their quality has
improved greatly, likely using the cash from folks like me on their
overpriced failed shit.
My parents bought a 386SX 16MHz, 44 meg HDD and 1 meg RAM around 1992,
it was a "Leading Edge"-branded machine (wonder whatever happened to
them, I think they were local to Massachusetts.) I upgraded it to 2 megs
a couple years later so it didn't choke as badly running Win 3.1.
It served well into the early 2000s as an email machine. Got a lot of
value out of that box. Only repair I recall it needing was a new PSU
sometime in the mid 90s, it was still working fine when my late father
sold his home in 2002 and it was lost to history.
On 3/4/20 12:40 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 3/2/20 5:54 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
news:WIf7G.66672$yg4.12246@fx27.iad:
On 3/2/20 4:02 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 2:22:29 PM UTC-5, Jeroen Belleman
wrote:
These days however, developers have top-of-the-line hardware and
develop bloated applications that can only run on
top-of-the-line hardware.
By "top-of-the-line" he means something sold in the last 10
years. There actually hasn't been a large improvement in
computing speed to other capabilities in the last 10 years. The
main limitation of any PC is memory. People who buy a machine
with limited amounts of RAM will find the machine slows down
pretty much out of the gate and only gets worse with updates and
various drivers and apps that are added but never removed. They
blame it on developer "bloat" because they don't understand this
simple fact.
Performance-per-watt has increased substantially. My dual-core
Intel i7 mobile laptop processor from 2018 has about equal
performance drawing 15 watts as my 90 watt AMD Phenom II six-core
desktop processor from 8-9 years ago does.
This current $90 AMD desktop processor will stomp all over both at
50 watts. though also part of that is also bigger cache, higher
memory bandwidth and FSB clocks:
https://www.google.com/search?q=AMD+Ryzen+3+3200G+4-Core&oq=AMD+Ry
zen+3+3200G+4-Core&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60.235j0j9&sourceid=chrome&
ie=UTF-8
The last few machines I bought were already some four or five
years old but had adequate memory for the task they were intended
for. Some only had 8 GB because they would not be used for
anything other than lab machines running simple test programs.
My personal machine was bought with 32 GB of RAM and is still fat
and happy with all the browser tabs I keep open and any design
tool I use. Not bad for $600. It's a bear though. Weighs a ton
and my legs never get cold on winter nights. lol Summer can be
a bit uncomfortable though.
Get a decent mid range computer and upgrade the RAM when it
starts to drag. You will find your CPU can handle pretty much
all the apps anyone writes for it unless you are trying to do
major video editing or something really compute intensive.
As if there weren't slow load times and sluggish software that
only performed well on top-of-the-line hardware in the 80s and
90s. Example: windows 3.1. Try running that on a 386SX 16 MHz with
2 megs of RAM, it's usable but not pleasant I remember cuz I had
one. And remember that machine cost the better part of TWO
THOUSAND dollars in 1992 when 3.1 was released.
It was indeed better on 4, not every even mid-tier 386 mobo
supported 4 megs of RAM. a 486DX-class with 8 was ideal. 1 meg
sticks of RAM cost about $80 in 1992 dollars, in 1992. A
business-class machine with a 486DX 33MHz, 8 megs of RAM and 500
meg hard drive with SVGA monitor cost about $5-7k then.
In the extreme case in the 1980s my buddy and I sometimes waited
15 minutes to load a game into the Commodore 64 from a cassette.
 I paid nearly $600 for my first full ht 1GB HD.
  I paid nearly that much for my first 16MB set of RAM for my 486.
  I had a 486 EISA box at one time too.
  My first 0.25 mm pitch SVGA vertically flat sony tube viewsonic
display cosy me over $500 too back then ('91 I think). Damn thing
broke in less than a year and Viewsonic would not give me an RMA to
send it in for repair. Dirty bastards. And I like a stupid ass have
bought severel more of their products, though their quality has
improved greatly, likely using the cash from folks like me on their
overpriced failed shit.
My parents bought a 386SX 16MHz, 44 meg HDD and 1 meg RAM around 1992,
it was a "Leading Edge"-branded machine (wonder whatever happened to
them, I think they were local to Massachusetts.) I upgraded it to 2
megs a couple years later so it didn't choke as badly running Win 3.1.
It served well into the early 2000s as an email machine. Got a lot of
value out of that box. Only repair I recall it needing was a new PSU
sometime in the mid 90s, it was still working fine when my late father
sold his home in 2002 and it was lost to history.
Ah, it looked very much like this, though we had a 3.5" drive along with
the 5.25.
https://dfarq.homeip.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/leading-edge-computers-2.jpg
On Monday, 2 March 2020 12:10:28 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 6:38:07 AM UTC-5, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
One does not teach logic operations by putting a Ryzen CPU on the
board.
Hell, they should start on a 555 timer and an old synthesizer
circuit. Both analog and digital all in one.
I didn't know you could get a 555 timer to play YouTube. I'd like to see your circuit. Please post.
Given a vast enough quantity I reckon you could.
On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 6:38:07 AM UTC-5, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
One does not teach logic operations by putting a Ryzen CPU on the
board.
Hell, they should start on a 555 timer and an old synthesizer
circuit. Both analog and digital all in one.
I didn't know you could get a 555 timer to play YouTube. I'd like to see your circuit. Please post.
On Thursday, March 5, 2020 at 8:45:57 PM UTC-5, tabb...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Monday, 2 March 2020 12:10:28 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 6:38:07 AM UTC-5,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
One does not teach logic operations by putting a Ryzen CPU
on the
board.
Hell, they should start on a 555 timer and an old
synthesizer
circuit. Both analog and digital all in one.
I didn't know you could get a 555 timer to play YouTube. I'd
like to see your circuit. Please post.
Given a vast enough quantity I reckon you could.
Seems you can use neon lamps as logic gates and can even construct
counters with them. Once I thought of using a bunch of them to do
some simple Sudoku solving using a 3D array of interconnected
lamps. Then I came to my senses... mostly.
Seems you can use neon lamps as logic gates and can even construct
counters with them. Once I thought of using a bunch of them to do
some simple Sudoku solving using a 3D array of interconnected
lamps. Then I came to my senses... mostly.
There are some pretty cool LED arrays and controllers out there.
Some really cool audio spectrum analyzer things and a cube of
lights
that loks cool too!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5Aq7cRc-mU
Talk about a lot of solder joints!
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote in news:r3smib$pr5$1
@gioia.aioe.org:
snip
Seems you can use neon lamps as logic gates and can even construct
counters with them. Once I thought of using a bunch of them to do
some simple Sudoku solving using a 3D array of interconnected
lamps. Then I came to my senses... mostly.
There are some pretty cool LED arrays and controllers out there.
Some really cool audio spectrum analyzer things and a cube of
lights that looks cool too!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5Aq7cRc-mU
Talk about a lot of solder joints!