'Ratbag' engineers make NBN kill switch unlikely:

[Rod Speed]

Tom wrote

terryc wrote
atec77 wrote

remember you can call overseas and take a connection from there or by other means which needn't be disseminated

That was how Fidonet(worldwide BBS system) operated.
It is just a matter of who has modems and software salted away.

And how hard is to block the phone calls.

The problem with doing that is that its not practical, almost everything would stop.

Guess you could block international modem calls.

There are ways of getting the data for BBSs around that tho.

In 60's and 70's I've seen whole country with STD and international calls disabled for weeks at a time during
unrests...

Not first world countrys you havent.

 

[atec77]

On 23/03/2011 7:26 AM, Swanny wrote:

On 23/03/2011 6:05 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:
On 22-Mar-11 9:38 PM, atec77 wrote:

You can have whatever info you want, but with the internet down for
the country,
how are you going to share it with large numbers of your fellow
Australians ??
Unless they can all dial up to overseas as well, there is no option
for spreading.

Think 1980's when there was no internet for the ordinary person.



In the early days before the interweb became common there were BBs's
and of course several other ways
you can't shut it up

Agreed.
However say every 13 year old kid had web access via their phone, and
every home had access.
We have what 22 million people? At a wild over estimated guess say 20
million people have good access to the internet, and 2 million didn't.

we have about 200 ISPs:
http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/bc/?action=list

If Joolia sent the army in to close them all down, and keep them closed
(which is doable), then what percentage of the the 20 million would have
access to on line communications via overseas link ups to dial up modems?

I don't think you could do much social networking with that.
It is about sharing information, as was previously stated.

I often wonder how easy it would be to shut down the NBN, which will be
running mainly on a slender thread of silica glass. I guess about the
same as a copper run. You just don't have to axe though as much of it,
if axe is your weapon of choice.

Cheers Don...

==========================



The Government's second phase would be to legislate against the use of
the Internet, probably on the grounds of National Security or such like.
Find a few geeks who bypassed the kill switch and string them up as an
example. Fear is an effective non-technical strategy.



The point is by cutting the external link the internal may well continue

, o course everyone had ignored the satellite links and other conection
mediums etc etc , closing the net aint that easy here in Au in spite
what goolia would have us believe

--
X-No-Archive: Yes

 

[atec77]

On 23/03/2011 9:11 AM, Tom wrote:

On 22/03/2011 9:46 PM, terryc wrote:
atec77 wrote:

remember you can call overseas and take a connection from there or by
other means which needn't be disseminated

That was how Fidonet(worldwide BBS system) operated.
It is just a matter of who has modems and software salted away.

And how hard is to block the phone calls. In 60's and 70's I've seen
whole country with STD and international calls disabled for weeks at a
time during unrests...

Tom
I remember little boxen with buttons and the pressure not to use the

telephone system for information collection , there might be sush a
situation but here in Au I don't see it happening anytime soon

--
X-No-Archive: Yes

 

[Tom]

On 23/03/2011 9:34 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
....

In 60's and 70's I've seen whole country with STD and international calls disabled for weeks at a time during
unrests...

Not first world countrys you havent.

Not first world but if the technology was avaiable back then behind the
iron curtain imagine what can be done now.

Tom

 

[Rod Speed]

Tom wrote

Rod Speed wrote

In 60's and 70's I've seen whole country with STD and international calls disabled for weeks at a time during
unrests...

Not first world countrys you havent.

Not first world but if the technology was avaiable back then behind the iron curtain imagine what can be done now.

How odd that no one actually uses it when the shit hits the fan like in Libya or Egypt or Iran or China.

 

[terryc]

Tom wrote:

On 22/03/2011 9:46 PM, terryc wrote:
atec77 wrote:

remember you can call overseas and take a connection from there or by
other means which needn't be disseminated

That was how Fidonet(worldwide BBS system) operated.
It is just a matter of who has modems and software salted away.

And how hard is to block the phone calls. In 60's and 70's I've seen
whole country with STD and international calls disabled for weeks at a
time during unrests...

Sat phones?
It would be very hard to do now as so much of the economy depends on
instant global comms.

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2011-03-22, terryc <newsninespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:

atec77 wrote:

remember you can call overseas and take a connection from there or by
other means which needn't be disseminated

That was how Fidonet(worldwide BBS system) operated.
It is just a matter of who has modems and software salted away.

IIRC binkd will do fido run over raw dialup but it's provavly easier to
just run PPP or SLIP over the link and share the internet that way

--
⚂⚃ 100% natural

--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---

 

[terryc]

Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2011-03-22, terryc <newsninespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:
atec77 wrote:

remember you can call overseas and take a connection from there or by
other means which needn't be disseminated
That was how Fidonet(worldwide BBS system) operated.
It is just a matter of who has modems and software salted away.

IIRC binkd will do fido run over raw dialup but it's provavly easier to
just run PPP or SLIP over the link and share the internet that way

It isn't about recreating the internet, but an alternative
message/information passing service. It will only work if people stick
to text messages. seriously, who wants to wait 24 hours for some web
pages to download over dialup.
>

 

[Rod Speed]

terryc wrote

Jasen Betts wrote
terryc <newsninespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote
atec77 wrote

remember you can call overseas and take a connection from there or by other means which needn't be disseminated

That was how Fidonet(worldwide BBS system) operated.
It is just a matter of who has modems and software salted away.

IIRC binkd will do fido run over raw dialup but it's provavly easier
to just run PPP or SLIP over the link and share the internet that way

It isn't about recreating the internet, but an alternative
message/information passing service. It will only work if people stick to text messages.

Wrong. The net works fine over dialup.

seriously, who wants to wait 24 hours for some web pages to download over dialup.

None of them take anything like that long.

 

[SG1]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8uun2sFkjvU1@mid.individual.net...

terryc wrote
Jasen Betts wrote
terryc <newsninespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote
atec77 wrote

remember you can call overseas and take a connection from there or by
other means which needn't be disseminated

That was how Fidonet(worldwide BBS system) operated.
It is just a matter of who has modems and software salted away.

IIRC binkd will do fido run over raw dialup but it's provavly easier
to just run PPP or SLIP over the link and share the internet that way

It isn't about recreating the internet, but an alternative
message/information passing service. It will only work if people stick to
text messages.

Wrong. The net works fine over dialup.

seriously, who wants to wait 24 hours for some web pages to download over
dialup.

None of them take anything like that long.

It was sarcasm Roddles???????

 

[Rod Speed]

SG1 wrote:

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8uun2sFkjvU1@mid.individual.net...
terryc wrote
Jasen Betts wrote
terryc <newsninespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote
atec77 wrote

remember you can call overseas and take a connection from there
or by other means which needn't be disseminated

That was how Fidonet(worldwide BBS system) operated.
It is just a matter of who has modems and software salted away.

IIRC binkd will do fido run over raw dialup but it's provavly
easier to just run PPP or SLIP over the link and share the
internet that way

It isn't about recreating the internet, but an alternative
message/information passing service. It will only work if people
stick to text messages.

Wrong. The net works fine over dialup.

seriously, who wants to wait 24 hours for some web pages to
download over dialup.

None of them take anything like that long.

It was sarcasm Roddles???????

So was mine, fuckwit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Don McKenzie]

On 24-Mar-11 10:04 AM, Rod Speed wrote:

SG1 wrote:

Wrong. The net works fine over dialup.

seriously, who wants to wait 24 hours for some web pages to
download over dialup.

None of them take anything like that long.

It was sarcasm Roddles???????

So was mine, fuckwit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My first dial up was a PMG 300 baud job that was 6 inches by 3 inches by 3 feet, painted grey, and would take 24 hours
to download any of todays web pages. But then, it wasn't designed for windows. Perhaps I better see if it still around,
as a backup for nuke or other attacks. It was used to dial into Microchips (PIC) first BBS. This was in the days when
they provided a line to the US, for the price of a local OZ call.

I would really doubt that I could find any other old dial ups around here, well, apart from a 56K USB unit that I should
be able to resurrect, now that I think about it. That will do the job. I would have to find the driver of course.

Cheers Don...

=======================


--
Don McKenzie

Dontronics Blog: http://www.GodzillaSeaMonkey.com
Dontronics Site Map: http://www.dontronics.com/sitemap
E-Mail Contact Page: http://www.dontronics.com/email
Web Camera Page: http://www.dontronics.com/webcam
No More Damn Spam: http://www.dontronics.com/spam

These products will reduce in price by 5% every month:
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/minus-5-every-month.html
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/ics.html

Bare Proto PCB for PIC or AVR projects?
"I'd buy that for a Dollar!".

 

[Rod Speed]

Don McKenzie wrote

Rod Speed wrote
SG1 wrote

Wrong. The net works fine over dialup.

seriously, who wants to wait 24 hours for some web pages to download over dialup.

None of them take anything like that long.

It was sarcasm Roddles???????

So was mine, fuckwit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My first dial up was a PMG 300 baud job that was 6 inches by 3 inches by 3 feet, painted grey,

Mine was a 110 baud, not as long as that.

and would take 24 hours to download any of todays web pages.

Nope. Plenty wouldnt even take 15 mins.

But then, it wasn't designed for windows. Perhaps I better see if it still around, as a backup for nuke or other
attacks.

Makes more sense to use a much faster modern one instead.

It was used to dial into Microchips (PIC) first BBS. This was in the days when they provided a line to the US, for the
price of a local OZ call.

I would really doubt that I could find any other old dial ups around here, well, apart from a 56K USB unit that I
should be able to resurrect, now that I think about it.

I still have one connected, and another in one of the laptops.

I use it when the DSL stops very occassionally, like every couple of years.

That will do the job. I would have to find the driver of course.

I dont have to do a thing, just click on the icon.

 

[terryc]

Rod Speed wrote:

Wrong. The net works fine over dialup.
I know, I hosted mine over dialup for about five years.

It was always rated extremely fast.

seriously, who wants to wait 24 hours for some web pages to download over dialup.

None of them take anything like that long.

You have tested them all on dialup?

 

[terryc]

Rod Speed wrote:

Makes more sense to use a much faster modern one instead.

In theory. Line quality is a big factor. sometimes, slower speeds have
consistently higher throughput.

 

[atec77]

On 24/03/2011 10:05 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:

On 24-Mar-11 10:04 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
SG1 wrote:

Wrong. The net works fine over dialup.

seriously, who wants to wait 24 hours for some web pages to
download over dialup.

None of them take anything like that long.

It was sarcasm Roddles???????

So was mine, fuckwit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My first dial up was a PMG 300 baud job that was 6 inches by 3 inches by
3 feet, painted grey, and would take 24 hours to download any of todays
web pages. But then, it wasn't designed for windows. Perhaps I better
see if it still around, as a backup for nuke or other attacks. It was
used to dial into Microchips (PIC) first BBS. This was in the days when
they provided a line to the US, for the price of a local OZ call.

I would really doubt that I could find any other old dial ups around
here, well, apart from a 56K USB unit that I should be able to
resurrect, now that I think about it. That will do the job. I would have
to find the driver of course.

Cheers Don...

=======================


I just have to hook my lappy up and off we go on the internal modem

--
X-No-Archive: Yes

 

[Rod Speed]

terryc wrote

Rod Speed wrote

Wrong. The net works fine over dialup.

I know, I hosted mine over dialup for about five years.
It was always rated extremely fast.

seriously, who wants to wait 24 hours for some web pages to download over dialup.

None of them take anything like that long.

You have tested them all on dialup?

Dont need to, its basic arithmetic.

 

[Rod Speed]

terryc wrote

Rod Speed wrote
Don McKenzie wrote
Rod Speed wrote
SG1 wrote

Wrong. The net works fine over dialup.

seriously, who wants to wait 24 hours for some web pages to download over dialup.

None of them take anything like that long.

It was sarcasm Roddles???????

So was mine, fuckwit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My first dial up was a PMG 300 baud job that was 6 inches by 3 inches by 3 feet, painted grey,

Mine was a 110 baud, not as long as that.

and would take 24 hours to download any of todays web pages.

Nope. Plenty wouldnt even take 15 mins.

But then, it wasn't designed for windows. Perhaps I better see if it still around, as a backup for nuke or other
attacks.

Makes more sense to use a much faster modern one instead.

In theory.

In practice.

Line quality is a big factor.

Nope, a relatively minor factor.

sometimes, slower speeds have consistently higher throughput.

Not that slow it doesnt.

 

[terryc]

Rod Speed wrote:

sometimes, slower speeds have consistently higher throughput.

Not that slow it doesnt.

Shrug, once again Roddles reality trumps our reality.

 

[terryc]

Rod Speed wrote:

None of them take anything like that long.

You have tested them all on dialup?

Dont need to, its basic arithmetic.

Oh roddles, you're such a card.