rant: filenames...

On 08/11/2021 23:45, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
What do you think this is? [1]

mech_eng_jw.pdf

Or maybe

datasheet.pdf ?

And why do some PDFs page continuously and some jump between pages?
You can\'t even see all of the stuff on the jumpers.

And why do some web sites, especially Asian and European ones, make
you sequentially open a huge list of randomly named PDFs to see what
they have?

And why do some people use one data sheet to cover their entire
product line, with complicated made-up part numbers, most not
available in stock anywhere? That\'s typically european.



[1] it\'s a data sheet for a relay
mech_eng_jw.pdf is mechanical engineering for jehova\'s witnesses, of course.
 
On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 14:48:38 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:

Bought a couple of oscilloscope probes today to replace those damaged/lost.

They don\'t fit, because the plastic surround exceeds the specified
diameter for a BNC plug. My scope has a hole in its front plate to
accommodate a standard BNC plug, but it\'s not big enough for this
oversized plastic variant.

This probably saves several cents per probe, but created a problem I
didn\'t need.

Sylvia.

The Rigol probes may also have this issue on other scopes ~ wider
plastic boss.

My bench usually requires a daisy chain on at least one signal
line, so BNC \'T\' or \'F\' adapters usually hang off at least one
scope socket, usually a trigger input or output.

They can act as a feed-through for physically incompatible probe
connectors, in a pinch.

If the probe has programming pins, well . . .

RL
 
On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 14:48:38 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:

Bought a couple of oscilloscope probes today to replace those damaged/lost.

They don\'t fit, because the plastic surround exceeds the specified
diameter for a BNC plug. My scope has a hole in its front plate to
accommodate a standard BNC plug, but it\'s not big enough for this
oversized plastic variant.

This probably saves several cents per probe, but created a problem I
didn\'t need.

Sylvia.

The Rigol probes may also have this issue on other scopes ~ wider
plastic boss.

My bench usually requires a daisy chain on at least one signal
line, so BNC \'T\' or \'F\' adapters usually hang off at least one
scope socket, usually a trigger input or output.

They can act as a feed-through for physically incompatible probe
connectors, in a pinch.

If the probe has programming pins, well . . .

RL
 
On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 7:21:44 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 15/11/21 10:51, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 14-Nov-21 9:32 pm, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 13/11/2021 23:47, John Robertson wrote:

snip

I had the capitals incorrect - I put mHz, he corrected to MHz, MHZ is also
correct. mHz is just wrong...

https://www.abbreviations.com/abbreviation/MegaHertz

FFF is For F...(s) Sake.

John ;-#)#

MHZ is certainly not correct!

mHz (millihertz) is commonly used in seismometry for example.

Basic stuff like this matters.


Yes.

Every time I read about a power station producing some number of mW, I wonder
whether someone got scammed.

Sylvia.
It is a useful \"bozo filter\", as is confusing MW and MWh.

I deal with kW and kWh every week and once in a while I\'ll forget the \"h\" part. It\'s an easy mistake to make.

It\'s funny that we use a compound term for energy and a specific term for rate of energy with EVs. It makes it a bit harder to explain to people who are not familiar with the terms. It is natural to compare them to distance and speed where the compound unit is the rate term, MPH or kPH.

--

Rick C.

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On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 7:21:44 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 15/11/21 10:51, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 14-Nov-21 9:32 pm, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 13/11/2021 23:47, John Robertson wrote:

snip

I had the capitals incorrect - I put mHz, he corrected to MHz, MHZ is also
correct. mHz is just wrong...

https://www.abbreviations.com/abbreviation/MegaHertz

FFF is For F...(s) Sake.

John ;-#)#

MHZ is certainly not correct!

mHz (millihertz) is commonly used in seismometry for example.

Basic stuff like this matters.


Yes.

Every time I read about a power station producing some number of mW, I wonder
whether someone got scammed.

Sylvia.
It is a useful \"bozo filter\", as is confusing MW and MWh.

I deal with kW and kWh every week and once in a while I\'ll forget the \"h\" part. It\'s an easy mistake to make.

It\'s funny that we use a compound term for energy and a specific term for rate of energy with EVs. It makes it a bit harder to explain to people who are not familiar with the terms. It is natural to compare them to distance and speed where the compound unit is the rate term, MPH or kPH.

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 7:50:25 AM UTC-4, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 2021-11-15 12:21, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 15/11/21 10:51, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 14-Nov-21 9:32 pm, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 13/11/2021 23:47, John Robertson wrote:

snip

I had the capitals incorrect - I put mHz, he corrected to MHz, MHZ is also correct. mHz is just wrong...

https://www.abbreviations.com/abbreviation/MegaHertz

FFF is For F...(s) Sake.

John ;-#)#

MHZ is certainly not correct!

mHz (millihertz) is commonly used in seismometry for example.

Basic stuff like this matters.


Yes.

Every time I read about a power station producing some number of mW, I wonder whether someone got scammed.

Sylvia.

It is a useful \"bozo filter\", as is confusing MW and MWh.
I\'d want to see SI used everywhere. The currently accepted
radius of the observable universe is about 130Ym. Hubble\'s
constant is about 2.3aHz.

Stamp out weird units! We need a different name for the kg.
We shouldn\'t have basic units with baked-in multiplier prefixes.

Isn\'t \'g\' the basic unit???

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 7:50:25 AM UTC-4, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 2021-11-15 12:21, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 15/11/21 10:51, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 14-Nov-21 9:32 pm, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 13/11/2021 23:47, John Robertson wrote:

snip

I had the capitals incorrect - I put mHz, he corrected to MHz, MHZ is also correct. mHz is just wrong...

https://www.abbreviations.com/abbreviation/MegaHertz

FFF is For F...(s) Sake.

John ;-#)#

MHZ is certainly not correct!

mHz (millihertz) is commonly used in seismometry for example.

Basic stuff like this matters.


Yes.

Every time I read about a power station producing some number of mW, I wonder whether someone got scammed.

Sylvia.

It is a useful \"bozo filter\", as is confusing MW and MWh.
I\'d want to see SI used everywhere. The currently accepted
radius of the observable universe is about 130Ym. Hubble\'s
constant is about 2.3aHz.

Stamp out weird units! We need a different name for the kg.
We shouldn\'t have basic units with baked-in multiplier prefixes.

Isn\'t \'g\' the basic unit???

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
Am 18.11.21 um 05:19 schrieb jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com:
https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Texas-Instruments/ISO120SG?qs=rNOSrj6uCs17dA0jO5%2FyAw%3D%3D

I had one of these, internally capacitively coupled,
underpopulated DIL-28 with just 8 pins or so, 20 years ago.
It had to be statically shielded, or a 400V AC line 10 cm
above it would drive it nuts. ISO-12? could fit.

cheers, Gerhard
 
On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 7:50:25 AM UTC-4, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 2021-11-15 12:21, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 15/11/21 10:51, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 14-Nov-21 9:32 pm, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 13/11/2021 23:47, John Robertson wrote:

snip

I had the capitals incorrect - I put mHz, he corrected to MHz, MHZ is also correct. mHz is just wrong...

https://www.abbreviations.com/abbreviation/MegaHertz

FFF is For F...(s) Sake.

John ;-#)#

MHZ is certainly not correct!

mHz (millihertz) is commonly used in seismometry for example.

Basic stuff like this matters.


Yes.

Every time I read about a power station producing some number of mW, I wonder whether someone got scammed.

Sylvia.

It is a useful \"bozo filter\", as is confusing MW and MWh.
I\'d want to see SI used everywhere. The currently accepted
radius of the observable universe is about 130Ym. Hubble\'s
constant is about 2.3aHz.

Stamp out weird units! We need a different name for the kg.
We shouldn\'t have basic units with baked-in multiplier prefixes.

Isn\'t \'g\' the basic unit???

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
Am 18.11.21 um 05:19 schrieb jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com:
https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Texas-Instruments/ISO120SG?qs=rNOSrj6uCs17dA0jO5%2FyAw%3D%3D

I had one of these, internally capacitively coupled,
underpopulated DIL-28 with just 8 pins or so, 20 years ago.
It had to be statically shielded, or a 400V AC line 10 cm
above it would drive it nuts. ISO-12? could fit.

cheers, Gerhard
 
Am 18.11.21 um 05:19 schrieb jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com:
https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Texas-Instruments/ISO120SG?qs=rNOSrj6uCs17dA0jO5%2FyAw%3D%3D

I had one of these, internally capacitively coupled,
underpopulated DIL-28 with just 8 pins or so, 20 years ago.
It had to be statically shielded, or a 400V AC line 10 cm
above it would drive it nuts. ISO-12? could fit.

cheers, Gerhard
 
On 15/11/2021 12:28, Rick C wrote:
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 7:50:25 AM UTC-4, Jeroen Belleman wrote:

<snip>
Stamp out weird units! We need a different name for the kg.
We shouldn\'t have basic units with baked-in multiplier prefixes.

Isn\'t \'g\' the basic unit???

Yes, but it\'s the MKS system. Would have been neater if the gram was a
thousand times bigger.

As for the Are, that should have been 1 m^2.

--
Cheers
Clive
 
On 15/11/2021 12:28, Rick C wrote:
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 7:50:25 AM UTC-4, Jeroen Belleman wrote:

<snip>
Stamp out weird units! We need a different name for the kg.
We shouldn\'t have basic units with baked-in multiplier prefixes.

Isn\'t \'g\' the basic unit???

Yes, but it\'s the MKS system. Would have been neater if the gram was a
thousand times bigger.

As for the Are, that should have been 1 m^2.

--
Cheers
Clive
 
On 15/11/2021 12:28, Rick C wrote:
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 7:50:25 AM UTC-4, Jeroen Belleman wrote:

<snip>
Stamp out weird units! We need a different name for the kg.
We shouldn\'t have basic units with baked-in multiplier prefixes.

Isn\'t \'g\' the basic unit???

Yes, but it\'s the MKS system. Would have been neater if the gram was a
thousand times bigger.

As for the Are, that should have been 1 m^2.

--
Cheers
Clive
 
On 15/11/2021 12:28, Rick C wrote:
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 7:50:25 AM UTC-4, Jeroen Belleman wrote:

<snip>
Stamp out weird units! We need a different name for the kg.
We shouldn\'t have basic units with baked-in multiplier prefixes.

Isn\'t \'g\' the basic unit???

Yes, but it\'s the MKS system. Would have been neater if the gram was a
thousand times bigger.

As for the Are, that should have been 1 m^2.

--
Cheers
Clive
 
On 12/11/2021 14:33, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 09:50:01 +0000, Martin Brown
\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:


I would not ask mountain rescue teams to save people who wonder up into
the mountain in flipflops using Google maps on their mobile phone to
navigate and then get lost when the battery runs out. The mountain
rescue teams are rather more forgiving but I think idiots who do that
should be charged for the full cost of their rescue.

I would limit treatment to life saving only for people who refuse to
wear seat belts and were mangled as a result of going through their
windscreen. That is another idiotic decision some make. A few mangled
survivors wondering around would do wonders for seat belt compliance.

Wow, good thing you don\'t make health-care policy. Every ER would have
an intake moralist on staff who would decide who should be rejected
and die.

Darwinism in action would be the hardest possible line. I am quite happy
to keep them alive but they can pay for their own plastic surgery to
reassemble their face if they have failed to wear a seat belt.

Do something stupid and you have to take responsibility for your actions.

US is particularly bad for this since airbag explosives are set to kill
smaller women drivers just to save the big fat lard arse who CBA to use
a seat belt. I don\'t think that is fair to women drivers YMMV. eg.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/south-carolina-driver-killed-exploding-air-bag-inflator-77230834

Although that particular one was due to using unstable ammonium nitrate
as the propellant it was the *amount* of it that killed the driver.

Do european air bags have less propellant? Is the amount loaded on a
per-country basis?

Yes. US has a dodgy airbag policy resulting in a lot more fatalities
particularly of smaller women who have to sit closer to the steering
wheel. It is almost invariably that airbag that kills (or injures) them.

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/crash-test-bias-how-male-focused-testing-puts-female-drivers-at-risk/

Somewhat more detailed analysis of the US kill smaller females airbag
policy here snappily titled \"Survey of Driver Seating Positions in
Relation to the Steering Wheel\". Being too close to it when it goes off
is a very bad thing:

https://www.jstor.org/stable/44741050

Short form version it is a bad idea to be a female driver under 5\'5\".

The same issue doesn\'t arise in Europe or Japan because seat belts are
mandatory there (and enforced).

--
Regards,
Martin Brown
 
On 12/11/2021 14:33, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 09:50:01 +0000, Martin Brown
\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:


I would not ask mountain rescue teams to save people who wonder up into
the mountain in flipflops using Google maps on their mobile phone to
navigate and then get lost when the battery runs out. The mountain
rescue teams are rather more forgiving but I think idiots who do that
should be charged for the full cost of their rescue.

I would limit treatment to life saving only for people who refuse to
wear seat belts and were mangled as a result of going through their
windscreen. That is another idiotic decision some make. A few mangled
survivors wondering around would do wonders for seat belt compliance.

Wow, good thing you don\'t make health-care policy. Every ER would have
an intake moralist on staff who would decide who should be rejected
and die.

Darwinism in action would be the hardest possible line. I am quite happy
to keep them alive but they can pay for their own plastic surgery to
reassemble their face if they have failed to wear a seat belt.

Do something stupid and you have to take responsibility for your actions.

US is particularly bad for this since airbag explosives are set to kill
smaller women drivers just to save the big fat lard arse who CBA to use
a seat belt. I don\'t think that is fair to women drivers YMMV. eg.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/south-carolina-driver-killed-exploding-air-bag-inflator-77230834

Although that particular one was due to using unstable ammonium nitrate
as the propellant it was the *amount* of it that killed the driver.

Do european air bags have less propellant? Is the amount loaded on a
per-country basis?

Yes. US has a dodgy airbag policy resulting in a lot more fatalities
particularly of smaller women who have to sit closer to the steering
wheel. It is almost invariably that airbag that kills (or injures) them.

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/crash-test-bias-how-male-focused-testing-puts-female-drivers-at-risk/

Somewhat more detailed analysis of the US kill smaller females airbag
policy here snappily titled \"Survey of Driver Seating Positions in
Relation to the Steering Wheel\". Being too close to it when it goes off
is a very bad thing:

https://www.jstor.org/stable/44741050

Short form version it is a bad idea to be a female driver under 5\'5\".

The same issue doesn\'t arise in Europe or Japan because seat belts are
mandatory there (and enforced).

--
Regards,
Martin Brown
 
On 2021-11-15 13:52, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 15/11/2021 12:28, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 7:50:25 AM UTC-4, Jeroen Belleman wrote:

snip

Stamp out weird units! We need a different name for the kg.
We shouldn\'t have basic units with baked-in multiplier prefixes.

Isn\'t \'g\' the basic unit???


Yes, but it\'s the MKS system. Would have been neater if the gram was a thousand times bigger.

As for the Are, that should have been 1 m^2.

In SI, the kg is the base unit. It was recently redefined to
be based on some fundamental constants of nature, rather than
on the mass of a lump of metal in a vault near Paris.

The mks system is another thing that should be abandoned.
For some weird reason, it\'s still popular with cosmologists.

Jeroen Belleman
 
On 2021-11-15 13:52, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 15/11/2021 12:28, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 7:50:25 AM UTC-4, Jeroen Belleman wrote:

snip

Stamp out weird units! We need a different name for the kg.
We shouldn\'t have basic units with baked-in multiplier prefixes.

Isn\'t \'g\' the basic unit???


Yes, but it\'s the MKS system. Would have been neater if the gram was a thousand times bigger.

As for the Are, that should have been 1 m^2.

In SI, the kg is the base unit. It was recently redefined to
be based on some fundamental constants of nature, rather than
on the mass of a lump of metal in a vault near Paris.

The mks system is another thing that should be abandoned.
For some weird reason, it\'s still popular with cosmologists.

Jeroen Belleman
 

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