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Raindrops creating electricity? But.... wouldn\'t you be better sticking a solar panel there? I assume you can\'t have both? Or could one fold up when not in use?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2211285521008193
 
If that is what I think it is, its crackpot stuff. Now if you could harness
the power in a thunderstorm that might be worthwhile.
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\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:eek:p.168rqfunmvhs6z@ryzen...
Raindrops creating electricity? But.... wouldn\'t you be better sticking a
solar panel there? I assume you can\'t have both? Or could one fold up
when not in use?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2211285521008193
 
On 28/06/2023 10:09, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Raindrops creating electricity?  But.... wouldn\'t you be better sticking
a solar panel there?  I assume you can\'t have both?  Or could one fold
up when not in use?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2211285521008193

Don\'t you just need a kite and a battery big enough to store the energy
from the lightening strike? Power for life.

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On a sunny day (Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:09:41 +0100) it happened \"Commander
Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in <op.168rqfunmvhs6z@ryzen>:

Raindrops creating electricity? But.... wouldn\'t you be better sticking a solar panel there? I assume you can\'t have both? Or
could one fold up when not in use?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2211285521008193

Raindrops falling on piezo transducers could work too?
Or falling on a horizontally mounted dynamic speaker cone ?

I will take a closer look perhaps when their thing is in the shops here.
 
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:09:41 +0100, Birdbrain Macaw (aka \"Commander Kinsey\",
\"James Wilkinson\", \"Steven Wanker\",\"Bruce Farquar\", \"Fred Johnson, etc.),
the pathological resident idiot and attention whore of all the uk ngs,
blathered again:

<FLUSH the subnormal sociopathic trolling attention whore\'s latest
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On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:37:04 +0100, anal_m, the notorious troll-feeding
senile retard, blathered again:



Don\'t you just need a kite and a battery big enough to store the energy
from the lightening strike? Power for life.

All he needs is the attention of the dumbest troll-feeding senile assholes
on these groups!
 
On 6/28/2023 6:15 AM, Brian Gaff wrote:
If that is what I think it is, its crackpot stuff. Now if you could harness the power in a thunderstorm that might be worthwhile.
Brian

You can.

There\'s a whole book at the public library about this :)

Even at a young age, I was suspicious of the contents of
some of my library books. This particular book was
a high quality print, with details on making fractional
horsepower motors to run off an electrostatic field kite.
There were colour plates of the finished electrostatic motors.
But no plates showing the motors connected to a Wimhurst machine
for test.

But I was not tempted in any way, to build anything I\'d
seen in that book. It all seemed like a very dangerous \"crock\".
Even at a young age, Paul could \"imagine himself being
blown out of his socks\" :)

I have built one of those tiny corona engines
(rotor with needles arranged tangentially with
corona coming off the needles). But that wasn\'t using
an electrostatic source, that was using a high voltage
project to drive it (my 15kV flyback). the amusement of
doing that, lasts for, oh, thirty seconds or so.

*******

If you do a Google, you can see topics like this are alive
and well. The same silly experiments, only with a twist.
The individual here, uses a drone instead of a kite! Eureka!
I wonder what happens to a drone hit by lightning ?

https://hackaday.com/tag/corona-motor/

*******

And yes, falling water can generate electrostatic energy.

Kelvin water dropper

I built one of these as a kid, and it really works. Where
the criss-cross wires go to the collector rings, there is
a thin arc discharge between the wires, about once a second.
Holding an AM radio near the unit, the sound on the AM
radio, helps the audience when they can\'t see the arc.
The thinness of the arc, hints at the small number of
joules involved.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin_water_dropper

The project details claim, you can scale the thing up,
by using a garbage can as a collector, which means the
farads of your \"capacitor\" are going up. Which is
just a recipe for something nasty to happen (the arc
is going to have a bit more \"snap\" to it).

Kelvin water droppers are self-defeating. As the
voltage potential builds on the ring, the \"beam\" of
water droplets no longer fall straight. The water
can fall to the side of your collector bucket.
And translated into English, this means there is a
maximum voltage the cans can develop, before the
generation process is upset. That\'s why you set up
the unit, to discharge the cans at regular intervals
(once every two second is good). Setting the spacing between
the two crossing wires, sets the arc-over voltage point.

Mine was built with three 48oz juice cans. Two paraffin
blocks (out of a 2.2kg box of paraffin blocks) serve
as insulators under two of the cans. The third can is
elevated above the collector rings, and is the water
reservoir for the generator.

Paul
 
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/tonga-volcano-sparked-the-most-intense-lightning-storm-ever-recorded-180982431/
 
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:15:25 +0100, \"Brian Gaff\"
<briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

If that is what I think it is, its crackpot stuff. Now if you could harness
the power in a thunderstorm that might be worthwhile.
Brian

I think that has been done. Isn\'t it where Dr. Frankenstein got the
power to rejuvenate the body he assembled?
 
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:09:41 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

Raindrops creating electricity? But.... wouldn\'t you be better sticking a solar panel there? I assume you can\'t have both? Or could one fold up when not in use?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2211285521008193

Put a plate on the roof and connect it to an audio amp and a speaker.

I did that as a kid and heard all sorts of weird stuff. I don\'t recall
the sound of raindrop impacts, but they would be cool.
 
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:40:04 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
wrote:

On 6/28/2023 6:15 AM, Brian Gaff wrote:
If that is what I think it is, its crackpot stuff. Now if you could harness the power in a thunderstorm that might be worthwhile.
Brian


You can.

There\'s a whole book at the public library about this :)

Even at a young age, I was suspicious of the contents of
some of my library books. This particular book was
a high quality print, with details on making fractional
horsepower motors to run off an electrostatic field kite.
There were colour plates of the finished electrostatic motors.
But no plates showing the motors connected to a Wimhurst machine
for test.

But I was not tempted in any way, to build anything I\'d
seen in that book. It all seemed like a very dangerous \"crock\".
Even at a young age, Paul could \"imagine himself being
blown out of his socks\" :)

I have built one of those tiny corona engines
(rotor with needles arranged tangentially with
corona coming off the needles). But that wasn\'t using
an electrostatic source, that was using a high voltage
project to drive it (my 15kV flyback). the amusement of
doing that, lasts for, oh, thirty seconds or so.

*******

If you do a Google, you can see topics like this are alive
and well. The same silly experiments, only with a twist.
The individual here, uses a drone instead of a kite! Eureka!
I wonder what happens to a drone hit by lightning ?

https://hackaday.com/tag/corona-motor/

*******

And yes, falling water can generate electrostatic energy.

Kelvin water dropper

I built one of these as a kid, and it really works. Where
the criss-cross wires go to the collector rings, there is
a thin arc discharge between the wires, about once a second.
Holding an AM radio near the unit, the sound on the AM
radio, helps the audience when they can\'t see the arc.
The thinness of the arc, hints at the small number of
joules involved.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin_water_dropper

The project details claim, you can scale the thing up,
by using a garbage can as a collector, which means the
farads of your \"capacitor\" are going up. Which is
just a recipe for something nasty to happen (the arc
is going to have a bit more \"snap\" to it).

Kelvin water droppers are self-defeating. As the
voltage potential builds on the ring, the \"beam\" of
water droplets no longer fall straight. The water
can fall to the side of your collector bucket.
And translated into English, this means there is a
maximum voltage the cans can develop, before the
generation process is upset. That\'s why you set up
the unit, to discharge the cans at regular intervals
(once every two second is good). Setting the spacing between
the two crossing wires, sets the arc-over voltage point.

Mine was built with three 48oz juice cans. Two paraffin
blocks (out of a 2.2kg box of paraffin blocks) serve
as insulators under two of the cans. The third can is
elevated above the collector rings, and is the water
reservoir for the generator.

Paul

Earth averages a e-field above the surface of a couple hundred
volts/meter. A kite with a bunch of needles can collect charge and
deliver a small amount of power to the ground.
 
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 5:09:50 AM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Raindrops creating electricity? But.... wouldn\'t you be better sticking a solar panel there? I assume you can\'t have both? Or could one fold up when not in use?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2211285521008193

A brilliantly conceived device, obviously very useful wherever it rains a lot on a regular basis.
 
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:09:41 +0100, \"Commander
Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

Raindrops creating electricity? But.... wouldn\'t you be better sticking a solar panel there? I assume you can\'t have both? Or could one fold up when not in use?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2211285521008193

Why is anything called Abstract so hard to read?
 
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 6:48:50 PM UTC-7, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:09:41 +0100, \"Commander
Kinsey\" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:

Raindrops creating electricity? But.... wouldn\'t you be better sticking a solar panel there? I assume you can\'t have both? Or could one fold up when not in use?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2211285521008193
Why is anything called Abstract so hard to read?

Have you guys ever heard of LIGHTNING?
 
On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 02:48:41 +0100, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:09:41 +0100, \"Commander
Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

Raindrops creating electricity? But.... wouldn\'t you be better sticking a solar panel there? I assume you can\'t have both? Or could one fold up when not in use?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2211285521008193

Why is anything called Abstract so hard to read?

Because the full version requires you to have a beard.
 
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 17:05:01 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:09:41 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

Raindrops creating electricity? But.... wouldn\'t you be better sticking a solar panel there? I assume you can\'t have both? Or could one fold up when not in use?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2211285521008193

Put a plate on the roof and connect it to an audio amp and a speaker.

I did that as a kid and heard all sorts of weird stuff. I don\'t recall
the sound of raindrop impacts, but they would be cool.

You heard your neighbour? You created a parabolic dish? Or maybe aliens?

I used a motor as a speaker. You could actually hear the words if you put it to your ear.
 
It\'s been done in both Back to the Future and Stargate Atlantis, so it must be possible.


On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:15:25 +0100, Brian Gaff <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

If that is what I think it is, its crackpot stuff. Now if you could harness
the power in a thunderstorm that might be worthwhile.
Brian
 
On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 2:40:36 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 6:48:50 PM UTC-7, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:09:41 +0100, \"Commander
Kinsey\" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:

Raindrops creating electricity? But.... wouldn\'t you be better sticking a solar panel there? I assume you can\'t have both? Or could one fold up when not in use?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2211285521008193
Why is anything called Abstract so hard to read?

Have you guys ever heard of LIGHTNING?

You do have to throw in vertical winds to separate the self-charging raindrops from the charge they disperse while getting charged.

Somebody who once knew something about aeronautics might have worked out that rain on it\'s own isn\'t all that electric - it takes a storm cell to generate thunder and lightning.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydeny
 
On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 12:40:16 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 17:05:01 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:09:41 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

Raindrops creating electricity? But.... wouldn\'t you be better sticking a solar panel there? I assume you can\'t have both? Or could one fold up when not in use?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2211285521008193

Put a plate on the roof and connect it to an audio amp and a speaker.

I did that as a kid and heard all sorts of weird stuff. I don\'t recall
the sound of raindrop impacts, but they would be cool.

You heard your neighbour? You created a parabolic dish? Or maybe aliens?

No, it was just an e-field probe. Of course there was a lot of verying
harmonics of 60 Hz, but lots of distant atmospherics, lightning and
once in a while the \"dawn chorus\" of round-the-world lightning echoes
and stuff. It was fun, but I was a weird kid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD3CBY2CnXg

I used a motor as a speaker. You could actually hear the words if you put it to your ear.
 
On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 07:21:51 -0700, John Larkin, another obviously brain
dead, troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:


You heard your neighbour? You created a parabolic dish? Or maybe aliens?

No, it was just an e-field probe. Of course there was a lot of verying
harmonics of 60 Hz, but lots of distant atmospherics, lightning and
once in a while the \"dawn chorus\" of round-the-world lightning echoes
and stuff. It was fun, but I was a weird kid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD3CBY2CnXg

The troll asks his \"questions\", and the troll-feeding senile HUGE ASSHOLE
delivers, INEVITABLY! LMAO
 

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