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David M Lemcoe Jr.

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Is there ANY attempts being made to cut down on the spam in the channel?
I mean I think it is rediculous that the same few spammers spam on this and
other newsgroups I belong to (namely comp.lang.python). If a moderator is
needed I would more that gladly become a moderator.

A very disgruntled, David

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On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:33:34 +0000, David M Lemcoe Jr. wrote:

Is there ANY attempts being made to cut down on the spam in the channel?
I mean I think it is rediculous that the same few spammers spam on this
and other newsgroups I belong to (namely comp.lang.python). If a
moderator is needed I would more that gladly become a moderator.

A very disgruntled, David
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I might equally complain about your terrible English.

It's not a "channel"; it's a Usenet news newsgroup. And an unmoderated
one, at that. Deal with it. You should find that you can eliminate a lot
of the trash by setting up rules to prevent display of messages from
certain domains, e.g. gmail, yahoo, and others.

Serious posters should have proper ISPs from which to post, so there's
really not too much reason to worry about throwing out the baby with
the bathwater.

No-one's going to die and appoint you a moderator, newbie! And if anyone
were to be a moderator, it should be someone with a pedigree, like
Sam Goldwasser, or Don Klipstein (for LEDs etc.) or Larkin or Fields
or Win (not that he posts much), or a lot of other respected and
long-standing posters here. But they're probably all too busy doing what
they do anyway.

Moderation is a bad thing anyway in my opinion, because it leads
to censorship of posts from individuals whose opinions differ from
those of the moderators, or those who won't kiss arse.

You'll get used to it. Or leave.


Martin
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Manchester, U.K.
 
"David M Lemcoe Jr." wrote:
Is there ANY attempts being made to cut down on the spam in the channel?
I mean I think it is rediculous that the same few spammers spam on this and
other newsgroups I belong to (namely comp.lang.python). If a moderator is
needed I would more that gladly become a moderator.
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First of all, news:sci.electronics.basics was not created as a
moderated newsgroup, and that can not be changed without creating a new
newsgroup.


If you want to do something about spam, install NewsProxy and drop
all traffic from Google groups. You can whitelist the few regulars who
use 'Google Groups'.

You can drop AIOE.org as well. Newsproxy is available at the link in my
sig file. This has been discussed to death on
news:sci.electronics.design where people can give you a copy of their
filter if you request it.


--
http://improve-usenet.org/index.html

If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in
your account: http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm

Sporadic E is the Earth's aluminum foil beanie for the 'global warming'
sheep.
 
On 7/20/08 9:33 AM, in article
d2bba4f224b08cab87bf5e22de7@newsgroups.bellsouth.net, "David M Lemcoe Jr."
<lemcoe9@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Is there ANY attempts being made to cut down on the spam in the channel?
I mean I think it is rediculous that the same few spammers spam on this and
other newsgroups I belong to (namely comp.lang.python). If a moderator is
needed I would more that gladly become a moderator.

A very disgruntled, David

-=___________________________=-
David M Lemcoe Jr.
Roswell, Georgia
http://www.davidlemcoe.com/
lemcoe9@bellsouth.net
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As a moderator, exactly what would you do?
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What would you do with the current spam by www.overinstock.net? What have
you already done about it?
 
"David M Lemcoe Jr." wrote:
Hello Fleetie,

Not neccesarily what I expected, but okay.

The reason I called it channel, my bad, was because before this I oped in
IRC channels, and still haven't gotten 100% used to Usenet.

I thought I could also get a friendlier response, but apparently not.
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The sci.electronics newsgroups have been plagued by trolls and forged
posts recently, and a lot of people are still sore about then trying to
tell the groups how they should be run. We also get a lot of arrogant
people posting nonsense, or just show up to start a fight and some
become a little too quick to react.

--
http://improve-usenet.org/index.html

If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in
your account: http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm

Sporadic E is the Earth's aluminum foil beanie for the 'global warming'
sheep.
 
Hello Fleetie,

Not neccesarily what I expected, but okay.

The reason I called it channel, my bad, was because before this I oped in
IRC channels, and still haven't gotten 100% used to Usenet.

I thought I could also get a friendlier response, but apparently not.




-=___________________________=-
David M Lemcoe Jr.
Roswell, Georgia
http://www.davidlemcoe.com/
lemcoe9@bellsouth.net
QRZ: KI4YJL
AIM: lemcoe9
YIM: lemcoe9
GTalk: ki4yl@gmail.com
MSN: lemcoe9@hotmail.com
Xfire: shawtylo1
ICQ: 359114839
Alternate e-mail: lemcoe9.alt@gmail.com
-=___________________________=-

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:33:34 +0000, David M Lemcoe Jr. wrote:

Is there ANY attempts being made to cut down on the spam in the
channel? I mean I think it is rediculous that the same few spammers
spam on this and other newsgroups I belong to (namely
comp.lang.python). If a moderator is needed I would more that gladly
become a moderator.

A very disgruntled, David

I might equally complain about your terrible English.

It's not a "channel"; it's a Usenet news newsgroup. And an unmoderated
one, at that. Deal with it. You should find that you can eliminate a
lot of the trash by setting up rules to prevent display of messages
from certain domains, e.g. gmail, yahoo, and others.

Serious posters should have proper ISPs from which to post, so there's
really not too much reason to worry about throwing out the baby with
the bathwater.

No-one's going to die and appoint you a moderator, newbie! And if
anyone
were to be a moderator, it should be someone with a pedigree, like
Sam Goldwasser, or Don Klipstein (for LEDs etc.) or Larkin or Fields
or Win (not that he posts much), or a lot of other respected and
long-standing posters here. But they're probably all too busy doing
what
they do anyway.
Moderation is a bad thing anyway in my opinion, because it leads to
censorship of posts from individuals whose opinions differ from those
of the moderators, or those who won't kiss arse.

You'll get used to it. Or leave.

Martin
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"David M Lemcoe Jr." wrote:

Is there ANY attempts being made to cut down on the spam in the channel?
I mean I think it is rediculous that the same few spammers spam on this and
other newsgroups I belong to (namely comp.lang.python). If a moderator is
needed I would more that gladly become a moderator.
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Moderated groups require a lot of work by volunteers.

You may find it simpler to use a filter. Blocking all Google posts is popular.

Graham
 
"David M Lemcoe Jr." wrote:

I thought I could also get a friendlier response, but apparently not.
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Flames are the norm in Usenet. That was MILD !

Graham
 
On 7/20/08 10:06 AM, in article
d2bba4f224c38cab8808c5d9947@newsgroups.bellsouth.net, "David M Lemcoe Jr."
<lemcoe9@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Hello Fleetie,

Not neccesarily what I expected, but okay.

The reason I called it channel, my bad, was because before this I oped in
IRC channels, and still haven't gotten 100% used to Usenet.

I thought I could also get a friendlier response, but apparently not.
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One "nice" thing about moderators is that *your* posts would be be rendered
invisible, because most of us don't like top-posted replies.

More posts below
v v v v v v v v >
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David M Lemcoe Jr.
Roswell, Georgia
http://www.davidlemcoe.com/
lemcoe9@bellsouth.net
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GTalk: ki4yl@gmail.com
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ICQ: 359114839
Alternate e-mail: lemcoe9.alt@gmail.com
-=___________________________=-

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:33:34 +0000, David M Lemcoe Jr. wrote:

Is there ANY attempts being made to cut down on the spam in the
channel? I mean I think it is rediculous that the same few spammers
spam on this and other newsgroups I belong to (namely
comp.lang.python). If a moderator is needed I would more that gladly
become a moderator.

A very disgruntled, David

I might equally complain about your terrible English.

It's not a "channel"; it's a Usenet news newsgroup. And an unmoderated
one, at that. Deal with it. You should find that you can eliminate a
lot of the trash by setting up rules to prevent display of messages
from certain domains, e.g. gmail, yahoo, and others.

Serious posters should have proper ISPs from which to post, so there's
really not too much reason to worry about throwing out the baby with
the bathwater.

No-one's going to die and appoint you a moderator, newbie! And if
anyone
were to be a moderator, it should be someone with a pedigree, like
Sam Goldwasser, or Don Klipstein (for LEDs etc.) or Larkin or Fields
or Win (not that he posts much), or a lot of other respected and
long-standing posters here. But they're probably all too busy doing
what
they do anyway.
Moderation is a bad thing anyway in my opinion, because it leads to
censorship of posts from individuals whose opinions differ from those
of the moderators, or those who won't kiss arse.
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SED has a self-appointed moderator who has a fairly large following who sing
his praises and filter as he filters, so that job is taken already. By
prior claim he also owns a.b.s.e., so be careful what you say there,too. He
is a humorless jerk who excuses his lame, insulting posts by using smileys.
If you resent his political, poison-tongued blather, it helps to filter him
out.



You'll get used to it. Or leave.

Martin
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On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, David M Lemcoe Jr. wrote:

Hello Fleetie,

Not neccesarily what I expected, but okay.
The reason I called it channel, my bad, was because before this I oped in IRC
channels, and still haven't gotten 100% used to Usenet.
I thought I could also get a friendlier response, but apparently not.

Can you grasp how many people have come into this newsgroup (and all the
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others) over the years and their first post is "This place needs
a moderator"?

It's like visiting a friend's house for the first time, and immediately
commenting negatively on the decor "nice house, but boy does it need
fixing up...".

What the posters, and likely you, are saying is that they see no
point in it all unless it's moderated. So after that one post, they
never return. They've tried to fix something because they don't like
what it is, while the people who have been around for a long time, I've
been reading and posting in the sci.electronics.* hierarchy for 14 years,
like it because of what it is.

No, we don't like the junk posts, but we now the alternative won't be
better either.

What really happens is that there are people who don't like newsgroups,
period. They may dislike the spam, but that's just an excuse. They
wouldn't post even if a newsgroup is moderated. Newsgroups don't fit
them, so instead of trying to make the newsgroup what they want, they
are likely better off finding some other place. Either that, or actually
adapting, rather than expecting the newsgroups to adapt to what they
want.

Michael
 
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Bob Masta wrote:

I have no statistics on this, but I suspect that beginners are more
likely to arrive at SEB from Google than from a normal Usenet
subscription, particularly those folks who have a one-time question
about a particular problem rather than those setting out to broaden
their electronics skills.

So, if we block all those flashing-LED questions we might be missing a
chance to introduce newbies to the joys of electronics. And if we
block all the house-wiring questions we might be missing a chance to
save lives!

But one of the sad things is that those one-time posters never give
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any feedback, so who knows if a solution that fixes their problem has
been offered up, who knows if they even read the newsgroup. For
all we know, a lot of those posts may be "Well I'll try this and
see what happens" and then they get distracted or they forget where
they were, and never even see the answers.

It could also be argued that people who have such one time questions
are better served going to a library, or asking a librarian (who at
least gets paid for finding things). Because such posters are less
interested in learning than in "getting an answer". Someone who
actually wants to learn electronics should be reading this newsgroup
on a routine basis, because they can learn from other people's questions,
and the answers that are given. It's no different from when I started
in electronics, and read all the hobby magazines I could get ahold of,
even if most of them didn't make any sense for some time. I kept at
it, and little bits filled in things I needed to know, and seeing things
described from a different angle helped, and just seeing multiple circuits
that did the same thing but in a different way helped me to gather raw
information.

Michael
 
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:33:34 +0000, David M Lemcoe Jr. wrote:

Is there ANY attempts being made to cut down on the spam in the channel?
I mean I think it is rediculous that the same few spammers spam on this
and other newsgroups I belong to (namely comp.lang.python). If a
moderator is needed I would more that gladly become a moderator.

A very disgruntled, David
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What, you don't like shoes? And oh by the way...

-=___________________________=-
David M Lemcoe Jr.
Roswell, Georgia
http://www.davidlemcoe.com/
lemcoe9@bellsouth.net
QRZ: KI4YJL
AIM: lemcoe9
YIM: lemcoe9
GTalk: ki4yl@gmail.com
MSN: lemcoe9@hotmail.com
Xfire: shawtylo1
ICQ: 359114839
Alternate e-mail: lemcoe9.alt@gmail.com -=___________________________=-
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.... your "sig" is broken.
 
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