PRC as a amplifier in GPS question.

[Athol]

In aus.cars What The <none@none.com> wrote:

"Athol" <athol_SPIT_SPAM@idl.net.au> wrote in message

So these are in a pre-10/'91 vehicle, or are you running illegal lights?

I admit, i'm running totally illegal modified tail lights that are brigher,
more visible and more reliable than original filament globes... (i.e we're
not talking ebay drop in crap here...)

I was fed up with having problems with the globes being pathetically dim and
decided a well planned LED array would light the housing evenly, smoothly
and provide much better safety and warning to other drivers.

I guess that you're not aware that there are upper and lower limits on
light intensity to prevent excessive glare for drivers following you...

Get it wrong and it's as bad as fitting HID projector globes into H4
housings or driving around with your fog lights on.

--
Athol
<http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000
I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.

 

[What The]

"Noddy" <me@home.com> wrote in message
news:482be431$0$58051$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net...

Well done.

That's the most elaborate way of saying "I'm a rice boy" I've ever heard


--
Regards,
Noddy.

Never really thought of myself as a rice boy to be honest. I tend to do all
my mods backwards to most other people i know. I started out with handling
then added power, i do modifications that are functional rather than simply
looking good etc.

I wouldn't think that 'rice boys' would spend months on research, design and
testing either modifications, hand building their circuits and a high level
of attention to detail.

I'm not saying what i've done should be approved because i spent time on it,
but rather that there are some people who take a great deal of care to make
sure what they do is worthwhile.

Cheers.

 

[What The]

"Athol" <athol_SPIT_SPAM@idl.net.au> wrote in message
news:1210832691.926838@idlwebserver.idl.com.au...

I guess that you're not aware that there are upper and lower limits on
light intensity to prevent excessive glare for drivers following you...

Get it wrong and it's as bad as fitting HID projector globes into H4
housings or driving around with your fog lights on.

--
Athol
http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000
I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.

Thanks Athol,

Yes i figured that there would be upper limits on such things, although i
have no means to test.

I think that when i revise the setup i will lower the "brake" power to
around 55ma from 70ma per LED as i have driven behind the car at night and
it is brighter than it needs to be, but the leds are behind a diffused lens
so their full output is being scattered, i.e its not a direct "beam" a the
following motorists.

During the day the brighness level is very good, especially during the
danger hours in the AM east bound and PM west bound where it can be hard to
see brake lights with sunglare.

HIDs in H4 housings, been there done that, evaluated the before and after
and promptly sold the setup, switched to an upgraded brightness H4 type
globe with no coating on the glass (Tungsram +60%). I have been working on
retrofitting some HID projectors to the factory housings, but have not as
yet been able to source the eletronic motors fitted to the cars in japan to
be able to add on the fly height adjustment (and compensation for loads)
from inside the car (does not and will never comply with ADR of course, but
doing it as best as i can).

I get as frustrated as most motorists who get the hell glared out of them by
some "ricer" with an 8000K HID kit that thinks they're cool.


Cheers.

 

[Kwyjibo]

"Athol" <athol_SPIT_SPAM@idl.net.au> wrote in message
news:1210832691.926838@idlwebserver.idl.com.au...

In aus.cars What The <none@none.com> wrote:
"Athol" <athol_SPIT_SPAM@idl.net.au> wrote in message

So these are in a pre-10/'91 vehicle, or are you running illegal lights?

I admit, i'm running totally illegal modified tail lights that are
brigher,
more visible and more reliable than original filament globes... (i.e
we're
not talking ebay drop in crap here...)

I was fed up with having problems with the globes being pathetically dim
and
decided a well planned LED array would light the housing evenly, smoothly
and provide much better safety and warning to other drivers.

I guess that you're not aware that there are upper and lower limits on
light intensity to prevent excessive glare for drivers following you...

Speaking of which......
How do the ricers get away with running blue headlights when the relevant
ADR states that the colour should be on the yellow side of white?
(and how do manufacturers get approval for their xenon headlights?)

--
Kwyj.

 

[Athol]

In aus.cars Kwyjibo <kwyjibo@ozdebate.remove.com> wrote:

How do the ricers get away with running blue headlights when the relevant
ADR states that the colour should be on the yellow side of white?
(and how do manufacturers get approval for their xenon headlights?)

The colour range goes just far enough towards blue for the HIDs to be
just inside range.

There is no technical reason for them to be blue. It's just that they
wanted them to be identifably different to incandescent lights.

IIRC, Daniel Stern (the lighting expert whose website the above info
came from a long time ago) intended to push for the colour limits to
be tightened to eliminate the current blue crap on the next revision
of the UN-ECE regs...

Most of the tinted H1/H3/H4/whatever globes are worse than useless and
few are ADR compliant.

--
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[Noddy]

"Kwyjibo" <kwyjibo@ozdebate.remove.com> wrote in message
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Speaking of which......
How do the ricers get away with running blue headlights when the relevant
ADR states that the colour should be on the yellow side of white?
(and how do manufacturers get approval for their xenon headlights?)

They don't.

I've got a box full of the things here I bought at an auction with a bunch
of other stuff, and they all have "Intended for off-road use only" stamped
on the packets.

--
Regards,
Noddy.

 

[John McKenzie]

What The wrote:

"Noddy" <me@home.com> wrote in message
news:482be431$0$58051$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net...

Well done.

That's the most elaborate way of saying "I'm a rice boy" I've ever heard


--
Regards,
Noddy.

Never really thought of myself as a rice boy to be honest.

And John Howard doesn't think he was a cunt !


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[Jim Thompson]

On Fri, 16 May 2008 22:54:47 +1000, "David L. Jones"
<altzone@gmail.com> wrote:

I just saw the movie Who Killed the Electric Car?:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0489037/

Fantastic!
Everyone should watch this one.
The IMDB user comment is spot on - " This film WILL frustrate you greatly"
In fact, it's enough to make you want to cry.

Can't believe I had never heard of the movie before the other day.

Dave.

In spite of leftist weenie conspiracy theories the real facts are that
the economics weren't there... and leaving the cars on-the-road has
some legal and cost aspects you haven't considered.

...Jim Thompson
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[pom]

David L. Jones a écrit :

I just saw the movie Who Killed the Electric Car?:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0489037/

Fantastic!
Everyone should watch this one.
The IMDB user comment is spot on - " This film WILL frustrate you greatly"
In fact, it's enough to make you want to cry.

Can't believe I had never heard of the movie before the other day.

Dave.


Hello,

I wondered about its disappearance too!
But I knew some thirty years ago about the existence of electric cars :
I read Truman Capotes "other voices other rooms" or was it "The Grassharp?.
At least I hope my memory is reliable (anyway it was T. C.) He tells
about his aunts driving around with it and causing a near accident, or
so they imagined...
Peter

 

[Joerg]

pom wrote:

David L. Jones a écrit :
I just saw the movie Who Killed the Electric Car?:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0489037/

Fantastic!
Everyone should watch this one.
The IMDB user comment is spot on - " This film WILL frustrate you
greatly"
In fact, it's enough to make you want to cry.

Can't believe I had never heard of the movie before the other day.

Dave.

Hello,
I wondered about its disappearance too!
But I knew some thirty years ago about the existence of electric cars :
I read Truman Capotes "other voices other rooms" or was it "The Grassharp?.
At least I hope my memory is reliable (anyway it was T. C.) He tells
about his aunts driving around with it and causing a near accident, or
so they imagined...
Peter

The concept of electric cars is a whole lot older than 30 years:

http://www.thoroughbred-cars.com/electric.htm

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sat, 17 May 2008 15:19:06 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

No-one has killed electric cars. They simply died of lack of interest,
practicality and high cost.
Graham

In 1999, GM planned to produce only 465 EV1 cars. There was a 1000+
unofficial waiting list in case someone changed their mind or GM
decided to increase production. When GM refused to extend the leases,
many EV-1 owners send GM lease payment checks anyway (which GM did not
deposit). When GM discontinued the EV-1 in 2003, the unofficial
waiting list was over 2000+ names. Lack of interest was never a
problem.

The first major problem was liability issues due to a fire started
while charging in the Gen 1 models. Some interesting reading from
Phil Karn:
<http://www.ka9q.net/ev/>
<http://www.ka9q.net/ev/ev1fire.html>
Leaky electrolyte from a failed capacitor in the charging port.

GM setup the EV-1 to fail. They were very surprised when it became
quite popular and very much in demand, despite the high price, lousy
GM support, and leasing requirements.
<http://www.cleanup-gm.com/>

--
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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Joerg]

Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Sat, 17 May 2008 15:19:06 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
No-one has killed electric cars. They simply died of lack of interest,
practicality and high cost.
Graham

In 1999, GM planned to produce only 465 EV1 cars. There was a 1000+
unofficial waiting list in case someone changed their mind or GM
decided to increase production. When GM refused to extend the leases,
many EV-1 owners send GM lease payment checks anyway (which GM did not
deposit). When GM discontinued the EV-1 in 2003, the unofficial
waiting list was over 2000+ names. Lack of interest was never a
problem.

The first major problem was liability issues due to a fire started
while charging in the Gen 1 models. Some interesting reading from
Phil Karn:
http://www.ka9q.net/ev/
http://www.ka9q.net/ev/ev1fire.html
Leaky electrolyte from a failed capacitor in the charging port.

GM setup the EV-1 to fail. They were very surprised when it became
quite popular and very much in demand, despite the high price, lousy
GM support, and leasing requirements.
http://www.cleanup-gm.com/

I wonder when car manufacturers (including European ones) will finally
wake up. Sometimes I wonder whether they'll wake up at all. A brief look
at Japan might help ...

--
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http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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[Joerg]

Damon Hill wrote:

http:/www.teslamotors.com

Seems to be very real.

And really expensive.

I'm waiting to see if they survive long enough to roll out their
"economy" concepts. Are Elon Musk's pockets deep enough?

http://www.commutercars.com/

Here's one that seems more practical, but the company isn't
going anywhere fast after years of publicity.

Battery technology is critical. I think a deep hybrid would
be more practical and affordable, but an all-electric with a
reliable 100 mile range would meet nearly all of my needs.


--Damon, wondering if his electric service would be adequate

There is a major stumbling block in areas like ours: Monopoly, plus
baseline usage rules the monopoly imposes. The millisecond you exceed
baseline by IIRC as little as 30% electricity becomes painfully
expensive. Anyone who dared to use their A/C in summer knows that.
Unless this changes or one can line up a sweet and most of all longterm
night-time deal there won't be a realistic future for electric cars.

--
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[Jeff Liebermann]

On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:45:34 -0700, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

The concept of electric cars is a whole lot older than 30 years:
http://www.thoroughbred-cars.com/electric.htm

I have a repair manual for an electric delivery vehicle made prior to
WWI. It was used for delivering milk to homes (no refridgeration) in
the pre-dawn hours. Since noise was then considered a serious
problem, electric delivery vehicles were the only option.

Note that there are several Li-Ion conversions for Prius hybrids
effectively making them electric cars.
<http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/34422/113/>
The new battery and plug-in charger extends the battery only range of
the Prius from about 7 miles to about 20 miles.

However, gas, electric, and such will soon be out of fashion. What we
need is a nuclear powered automobile.:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Nucleon>


--
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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Fri, 16 May 2008 10:47:27 -0700, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Damon Hill wrote:
http:/www.teslamotors.com

Seems to be very real.

And really expensive.

I'm waiting to see if they survive long enough to roll out their
"economy" concepts. Are Elon Musk's pockets deep enough?

http://www.commutercars.com/

Here's one that seems more practical, but the company isn't
going anywhere fast after years of publicity.

Battery technology is critical. I think a deep hybrid would
be more practical and affordable, but an all-electric with a
reliable 100 mile range would meet nearly all of my needs.


--Damon, wondering if his electric service would be adequate


There is a major stumbling block in areas like ours: Monopoly, plus
baseline usage rules the monopoly imposes. The millisecond you exceed
baseline by IIRC as little as 30% electricity becomes painfully
expensive. Anyone who dared to use their A/C in summer knows that.
Unless this changes or one can line up a sweet and most of all longterm
night-time deal there won't be a realistic future for electric cars.

Joerg,

How much of your electricity cost is actually California taxes?

How come electricity is dramatically cheaper in AZ than CA when you
have (or should have) lots of water-generated electricity?

...Jim Thompson
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[Jeff Liebermann]

On Fri, 16 May 2008 10:47:27 -0700, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

There is a major stumbling block in areas like ours: Monopoly, plus
baseline usage rules the monopoly imposes. The millisecond you exceed
baseline by IIRC as little as 30% electricity becomes painfully
expensive. Anyone who dared to use their A/C in summer knows that.
Unless this changes or one can line up a sweet and most of all longterm
night-time deal there won't be a realistic future for electric cars.

One former EV-1 owner has a solution to the electric power cost
problem:
<http://www.solarwarrior.com>
<http://www.solarwarrior.com/why.html>
--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Joerg]

Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:45:34 -0700, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

The concept of electric cars is a whole lot older than 30 years:
http://www.thoroughbred-cars.com/electric.htm

I have a repair manual for an electric delivery vehicle made prior to
WWI. It was used for delivering milk to homes (no refridgeration) in
the pre-dawn hours. Since noise was then considered a serious
problem, electric delivery vehicles were the only option.

When I was young they didn't have noise qualms. Clippy-clop, clippy-clop
.... a horse-drawn wagon brought the milk.

Note that there are several Li-Ion conversions for Prius hybrids
effectively making them electric cars.
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/34422/113/
The new battery and plug-in charger extends the battery only range of
the Prius from about 7 miles to about 20 miles.

But those extra miles can cost you. This month's IEEE spectrum has a
story of a guy who spent another $32k (!) on top of the Prius price tag
to get his Li-Ion conversion. That's a bit steep.

However, gas, electric, and such will soon be out of fashion. What we
need is a nuclear powered automobile.:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Nucleon

Right now Priuses are being bought in California as if it was the best
thing since sliced bread. The big three are in for another round of
hardship. Don't know if they can afford another round ...

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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[Joerg]

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Fri, 16 May 2008 10:47:27 -0700, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Damon Hill wrote:
http:/www.teslamotors.com

Seems to be very real.

And really expensive.

I'm waiting to see if they survive long enough to roll out their
"economy" concepts. Are Elon Musk's pockets deep enough?

http://www.commutercars.com/

Here's one that seems more practical, but the company isn't
going anywhere fast after years of publicity.

Battery technology is critical. I think a deep hybrid would
be more practical and affordable, but an all-electric with a
reliable 100 mile range would meet nearly all of my needs.


--Damon, wondering if his electric service would be adequate

There is a major stumbling block in areas like ours: Monopoly, plus
baseline usage rules the monopoly imposes. The millisecond you exceed
baseline by IIRC as little as 30% electricity becomes painfully
expensive. Anyone who dared to use their A/C in summer knows that.
Unless this changes or one can line up a sweet and most of all longterm
night-time deal there won't be a realistic future for electric cars.

Joerg,

How much of your electricity cost is actually California taxes?

A coarse peek shows about 20% fees, charges, bond measures. A.k.a taxes.

How come electricity is dramatically cheaper in AZ than CA when you
have (or should have) lots of water-generated electricity?

It probably is but since deregulation prices have skyrocketed. There is
a hockeystick effect in that up to a limit it stays a bit under 15c/kWh,
then shoots up sky-high. This stifles start-up business in the area but
politicians seem to fail to understand that.

In muni-supplied areas it's much better. I am not much for
gov-involvement but for electricity the fact is that people like us who
are served by private sector utilities must pay through the nose.
Because they gave them a monopoly and monopolies never work. With
monopolies they usually sock it to you.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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[Joerg]

Damon Hill wrote:

Joerg <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in news:YMjXj.285
$co7.135@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com:

Damon Hill wrote:

--Damon, wondering if his electric service would be adequate

There is a major stumbling block in areas like ours: Monopoly, plus
baseline usage rules the monopoly imposes. The millisecond you exceed
baseline by IIRC as little as 30% electricity becomes painfully
expensive. Anyone who dared to use their A/C in summer knows that.
Unless this changes or one can line up a sweet and most of all longterm
night-time deal there won't be a realistic future for electric cars.

Yeah, that's a gotcha I've been wondering about. Seems like a
smart charger would have to monitor total household current and
toe the baseline--especially during peak use hours. Result: no
quick charge when one might need it most. Hence the thought about
a deep hybrid...

Smart charging won't help. Baseline is counted over one month, no matter
when you used it. Night-reduction deals are available but then the cost
of running my biz will skyrocket because that has to be during the day.
At least it used to be that you only get the deal when you accept very
high "peak time" charges. For us that never made any sense.

Should electric vehicles start to appear in significant numbers, this
and electric grid capacity issues will pop up like red flags. The
electricity infrastructure will have to adapt, which will not be
inexpensive.

Yep. But more important are longterm utility deals. In Europe we were
able to negotiate a 10-year deal before deciding to invest in a heat
pump system. Still, only a handful of people in town did, some hesitated
because 10 years wasn't enough planning security.

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[Joerg]

Richard Henry wrote:

On May 16, 5:54 am, "David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com> wrote:
I just saw the movie Who Killed the Electric Car?:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0489037/

Fantastic!
Everyone should watch this one.
The IMDB user comment is spot on - " This film WILL frustrate you greatly"
In fact, it's enough to make you want to cry.

Can't believe I had never heard of the movie before the other day.

Dave.

The EV-1 is GM's Edsel. Except that it worked and they couldn't make
enough to satisfy demand.

Beancounters killed it. And they took away a marketing advantage GM
could still be milking.

And the result is that they now produce a lot of Silverados 1/2-tons
that nobody wants to buy. Deju vu :-(

--
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