PRC as a amplifier in GPS question.

[F Murtz]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 31/03/2017 11:25 AM, Rheilly Phoull wrote:
On 31/03/2017 8:10 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 31/03/2017 9:22 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 31/03/2017 9:17 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 31/03/2017 7:21 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:ejp7o7Fj307U1@mid.individual.net...
I wish they'd advertise it better, so that I can ignore it
deliberately.

Is that an Australian thing? - Never heard of it here in the UK.


It was started here, to our shame, but it got picked up in a number of
other countries.

Showing support by turning off efficient lighting, and burning
inefficient CO2 emitting candles instead, is a common theme.

Earth hour is, above all, a demonstration of ignorance.


**Well, not really. It was designed to make people aware of the
problems
this planet faces and that we ALL need to work together to make a
difference. Certainly, turning off pool pumps (or filling in a pool,
like I did), or air conditioners will make several orders of magnitude
more impact on the environment than turning off some LED lighting, but
lighting is easy to see.



Whatever the intent behind it, all it's managed to demonstrate is that
people have little understanding of the issues.

Sylvia.

HEH, when I see China or India doing it then it might seem revelant.

**The average Chinese citizen emits less than 25% of the CO2 than an
Aussie does. The average Indian citizen emits less than 10% of the
average Aussie.

Which nations caused the vast bulk of the human induced CO2 in the
atmosphere today?

Hint: It was not China nor India.

A: It was us in the West. It is up to us to demonstrate a willingness to
reduce CO2 emissions. To do otherwise, would be hypocritical.

Yes let's .33% of the world stop, that'l show em.

 

[Gordon Levi]

Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 31/03/2017 7:21 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:ejp7o7Fj307U1@mid.individual.net...
I wish they'd advertise it better, so that I can ignore it deliberately.

Is that an Australian thing? - Never heard of it here in the UK.


It was started here, to our shame, but it got picked up in a number of
other countries.

Showing support by turning off efficient lighting, and burning
inefficient CO2 emitting candles instead, is a common theme.

Earth hour is, above all, a demonstration of ignorance.

No. It's just a demonstration. Instead of using fuel to get to the
demo and then marching to parliament house you stay home and turn the
electricity off for an hour. It is not intended to save electricity
but, like a street march, it is intended to show solidarity with all
the other people who want action on climate change.

 

[Rod Speed]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:ek5mmbF3tgtU2@mid.individual.net...

On 31/03/2017 11:10 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 31/03/2017 9:22 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 31/03/2017 9:17 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 31/03/2017 7:21 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:ejp7o7Fj307U1@mid.individual.net...
I wish they'd advertise it better, so that I can ignore it
deliberately.

Is that an Australian thing? - Never heard of it here in the UK.


It was started here, to our shame, but it got picked up in a number of
other countries.

Showing support by turning off efficient lighting, and burning
inefficient CO2 emitting candles instead, is a common theme.

Earth hour is, above all, a demonstration of ignorance.


**Well, not really. It was designed to make people aware of the problems
this planet faces and that we ALL need to work together to make a
difference. Certainly, turning off pool pumps (or filling in a pool,
like I did), or air conditioners will make several orders of magnitude
more impact on the environment than turning off some LED lighting, but
lighting is easy to see.



Whatever the intent behind it, all it's managed to demonstrate is that
people have little understanding of the issues.

How do you know?

Its obvious, they wouldn’t be turning the fucking lights off for an hour if
they did.

 

[Rod Speed]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:ek5mhgF3tgtU1@mid.individual.net...

On 31/03/2017 11:25 AM, Rheilly Phoull wrote:
On 31/03/2017 8:10 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 31/03/2017 9:22 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 31/03/2017 9:17 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 31/03/2017 7:21 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:ejp7o7Fj307U1@mid.individual.net...
I wish they'd advertise it better, so that I can ignore it
deliberately.

Is that an Australian thing? - Never heard of it here in the UK.


It was started here, to our shame, but it got picked up in a number of
other countries.

Showing support by turning off efficient lighting, and burning
inefficient CO2 emitting candles instead, is a common theme.

Earth hour is, above all, a demonstration of ignorance.


**Well, not really. It was designed to make people aware of the
problems
this planet faces and that we ALL need to work together to make a
difference. Certainly, turning off pool pumps (or filling in a pool,
like I did), or air conditioners will make several orders of magnitude
more impact on the environment than turning off some LED lighting, but
lighting is easy to see.



Whatever the intent behind it, all it's managed to demonstrate is that
people have little understanding of the issues.

Sylvia.

HEH, when I see China or India doing it then it might seem revelant.

The average Chinese citizen emits less than 25% of the CO2 than an Aussie
does.

Even you should have noticed that there are more than 50 times as many of
them.

> The average Indian citizen emits less than 10% of the average Aussie.

Even you should have noticed that there are more than 50 times as many of
them.

Which nations caused the vast bulk of the human induced CO2 in the
atmosphere today?

China and India do.

Hint: It was not China nor India.

A: It was us in the West.

We arent a single nation.

> It is up to us to demonstrate a willingness to reduce CO2 emissions.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

> To do otherwise, would be hypocritical.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

And turning the fucking lights off for a fucking
hour doesn’t do that usefully anyway.

 

[Rheilly Phoull]

On 31/03/2017 8:28 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 31/03/2017 11:25 AM, Rheilly Phoull wrote:
On 31/03/2017 8:10 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 31/03/2017 9:22 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 31/03/2017 9:17 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 31/03/2017 7:21 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:ejp7o7Fj307U1@mid.individual.net...
I wish they'd advertise it better, so that I can ignore it
deliberately.

Is that an Australian thing? - Never heard of it here in the UK.


It was started here, to our shame, but it got picked up in a number of
other countries.

Showing support by turning off efficient lighting, and burning
inefficient CO2 emitting candles instead, is a common theme.

Earth hour is, above all, a demonstration of ignorance.


**Well, not really. It was designed to make people aware of the
problems
this planet faces and that we ALL need to work together to make a
difference. Certainly, turning off pool pumps (or filling in a pool,
like I did), or air conditioners will make several orders of magnitude
more impact on the environment than turning off some LED lighting, but
lighting is easy to see.



Whatever the intent behind it, all it's managed to demonstrate is that
people have little understanding of the issues.

Sylvia.

HEH, when I see China or India doing it then it might seem revelant.

**The average Chinese citizen emits less than 25% of the CO2 than an
Aussie does. The average Indian citizen emits less than 10% of the
average Aussie.

Which nations caused the vast bulk of the human induced CO2 in the
atmosphere today?

Hint: It was not China nor India.

A: It was us in the West. It is up to us to demonstrate a willingness to
reduce CO2 emissions. To do otherwise, would be hypocritical.

Ever been to Beijing !! Hint: Take some breathing masks

 

[Rod Speed]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:ek68nhF6u41U2@mid.individual.net...

On 31/03/2017 5:29 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 31/03/2017 11:25 AM, Rheilly Phoull wrote:
On 31/03/2017 8:10 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 31/03/2017 9:22 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 31/03/2017 9:17 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 31/03/2017 7:21 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:ejp7o7Fj307U1@mid.individual.net...
I wish they'd advertise it better, so that I can ignore it
deliberately.

Is that an Australian thing? - Never heard of it here in the UK.


It was started here, to our shame, but it got picked up in a
number of
other countries.

Showing support by turning off efficient lighting, and burning
inefficient CO2 emitting candles instead, is a common theme.

Earth hour is, above all, a demonstration of ignorance.


**Well, not really. It was designed to make people aware of the
problems
this planet faces and that we ALL need to work together to make a
difference. Certainly, turning off pool pumps (or filling in a pool,
like I did), or air conditioners will make several orders of
magnitude
more impact on the environment than turning off some LED lighting,
but
lighting is easy to see.



Whatever the intent behind it, all it's managed to demonstrate is that
people have little understanding of the issues.

Sylvia.

HEH, when I see China or India doing it then it might seem revelant.

**The average Chinese citizen emits less than 25% of the CO2 than an
Aussie does. The average Indian citizen emits less than 10% of the
average Aussie.

Which nations caused the vast bulk of the human induced CO2 in the
atmosphere today?

Hint: It was not China nor India.

A: It was us in the West. It is up to us to demonstrate a willingness to
reduce CO2 emissions. To do otherwise, would be hypocritical.

Yes let's .33% of the world stop, that'l show em.

You seem to think that Australians should be exempt from the sacrifices
required of everyone else on the planet.

No sacrifices are required of everyone else on the planet.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 31/03/2017 5:29 PM, F Murtz wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 31/03/2017 11:25 AM, Rheilly Phoull wrote:
On 31/03/2017 8:10 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 31/03/2017 9:22 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 31/03/2017 9:17 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 31/03/2017 7:21 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:ejp7o7Fj307U1@mid.individual.net...
I wish they'd advertise it better, so that I can ignore it
deliberately.

Is that an Australian thing? - Never heard of it here in the UK.


It was started here, to our shame, but it got picked up in a
number of
other countries.

Showing support by turning off efficient lighting, and burning
inefficient CO2 emitting candles instead, is a common theme.

Earth hour is, above all, a demonstration of ignorance.


**Well, not really. It was designed to make people aware of the
problems
this planet faces and that we ALL need to work together to make a
difference. Certainly, turning off pool pumps (or filling in a pool,
like I did), or air conditioners will make several orders of magnitude
more impact on the environment than turning off some LED lighting, but
lighting is easy to see.



Whatever the intent behind it, all it's managed to demonstrate is that
people have little understanding of the issues.

Sylvia.

HEH, when I see China or India doing it then it might seem revelant.

**The average Chinese citizen emits less than 25% of the CO2 than an
Aussie does. The average Indian citizen emits less than 10% of the
average Aussie.

Which nations caused the vast bulk of the human induced CO2 in the
atmosphere today?

Hint: It was not China nor India.

A: It was us in the West. It is up to us to demonstrate a willingness to
reduce CO2 emissions. To do otherwise, would be hypocritical.

Yes let's .33% of the world stop, that'l show em.

**You seem to think that Australians should be exempt from the
sacrifices required of everyone else on the planet. That kind of
attitude will get you a long way.

Not.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 31/03/2017 3:51 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:

Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 31/03/2017 7:21 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:ejp7o7Fj307U1@mid.individual.net...
I wish they'd advertise it better, so that I can ignore it deliberately.

Is that an Australian thing? - Never heard of it here in the UK.


It was started here, to our shame, but it got picked up in a number of
other countries.

Showing support by turning off efficient lighting, and burning
inefficient CO2 emitting candles instead, is a common theme.

Earth hour is, above all, a demonstration of ignorance.

No. It's just a demonstration. Instead of using fuel to get to the
demo and then marching to parliament house you stay home and turn the
electricity off for an hour. It is not intended to save electricity
but, like a street march, it is intended to show solidarity with all
the other people who want action on climate change.

**That kind of subtlety is lost on Sylvia. She needs a more obvious
demonstration.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[keithr0]

On 3/31/2017 3:37 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 31/03/2017 3:51 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 31/03/2017 7:21 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:ejp7o7Fj307U1@mid.individual.net...
I wish they'd advertise it better, so that I can ignore it
deliberately.

Is that an Australian thing? - Never heard of it here in the UK.


It was started here, to our shame, but it got picked up in a number of
other countries.

Showing support by turning off efficient lighting, and burning
inefficient CO2 emitting candles instead, is a common theme.

Earth hour is, above all, a demonstration of ignorance.

No. It's just a demonstration. Instead of using fuel to get to the
demo and then marching to parliament house you stay home and turn the
electricity off for an hour. It is not intended to save electricity
but, like a street march, it is intended to show solidarity with all
the other people who want action on climate change.


**That kind of subtlety is lost on Sylvia. She needs a more obvious
demonstration.

With a baseball bat behind the right ear.

 

[Benderthe.evilrobot]

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:ek5ef8F2esbU2@mid.individual.net...

On 31/03/2017 7:21 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:ejp7o7Fj307U1@mid.individual.net...
I wish they'd advertise it better, so that I can ignore it deliberately.

Is that an Australian thing? - Never heard of it here in the UK.


It was started here, to our shame, but it got picked up in a number of
other countries.

Showing support by turning off efficient lighting, and burning inefficient
CO2 emitting candles instead, is a common theme.

Earth hour is, above all, a demonstration of ignorance.

Governments do that all the time - so why not the plebs...................


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[Benderthe.evilrobot]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:ek5f5fF2l4kU1@mid.individual.net...

On 31/03/2017 9:17 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 31/03/2017 7:21 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:ejp7o7Fj307U1@mid.individual.net...
I wish they'd advertise it better, so that I can ignore it
deliberately.

Is that an Australian thing? - Never heard of it here in the UK.


It was started here, to our shame, but it got picked up in a number of
other countries.

Showing support by turning off efficient lighting, and burning
inefficient CO2 emitting candles instead, is a common theme.

Earth hour is, above all, a demonstration of ignorance.


**Well, not really. It was designed to make people aware of the problems
this planet faces and that we ALL need to work together to make a
difference. Certainly, turning off pool pumps (or filling in a pool, like
I did), or air conditioners will make several orders of magnitude more
impact on the environment than turning off some LED lighting, but lighting
is easy to see.

Can't remember the numbers, but the estimated waste by things like phone
chargers left plugged in is pretty scary.

One item mentioned was worth a couple of power stations - but I can't
remember what it was.


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[Benderthe.evilrobot]

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:ek5n0uF3vscU2@mid.individual.net...

On 31/03/2017 11:31 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 31/03/2017 11:10 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 31/03/2017 9:22 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 31/03/2017 9:17 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 31/03/2017 7:21 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:ejp7o7Fj307U1@mid.individual.net...
I wish they'd advertise it better, so that I can ignore it
deliberately.

Is that an Australian thing? - Never heard of it here in the UK.


It was started here, to our shame, but it got picked up in a number of
other countries.

Showing support by turning off efficient lighting, and burning
inefficient CO2 emitting candles instead, is a common theme.

Earth hour is, above all, a demonstration of ignorance.


**Well, not really. It was designed to make people aware of the
problems
this planet faces and that we ALL need to work together to make a
difference. Certainly, turning off pool pumps (or filling in a pool,
like I did), or air conditioners will make several orders of magnitude
more impact on the environment than turning off some LED lighting, but
lighting is easy to see.



Whatever the intent behind it, all it's managed to demonstrate is that
people have little understanding of the issues.

**How do you know?



Because if they did, they're realise that burning candles is not the way
to show support.

Most people don't even think about all electric cars mostly still require
burning fossil fuel to generate the electricity in the first place -
countries with coal fired power stations didn't win much at all.


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[Benderthe.evilrobot]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:ek5oaeF4694U1@mid.individual.net...

On 31/03/2017 11:43 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 31/03/2017 11:31 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 31/03/2017 11:10 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 31/03/2017 9:22 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 31/03/2017 9:17 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 31/03/2017 7:21 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:ejp7o7Fj307U1@mid.individual.net...
I wish they'd advertise it better, so that I can ignore it
deliberately.

Is that an Australian thing? - Never heard of it here in the UK.


It was started here, to our shame, but it got picked up in a number
of
other countries.

Showing support by turning off efficient lighting, and burning
inefficient CO2 emitting candles instead, is a common theme.

Earth hour is, above all, a demonstration of ignorance.


**Well, not really. It was designed to make people aware of the
problems
this planet faces and that we ALL need to work together to make a
difference. Certainly, turning off pool pumps (or filling in a pool,
like I did), or air conditioners will make several orders of magnitude
more impact on the environment than turning off some LED lighting, but
lighting is easy to see.



Whatever the intent behind it, all it's managed to demonstrate is that
people have little understanding of the issues.

**How do you know?



Because if they did, they're realise that burning candles is not the way
to show support.

**Who was burning candles? Does anyone even own a candle? I haven't had
one in my house for years. They are nonsensically inefficient and pretty
much useless.

I keep a bag of them under the sink - but I mostly use the wax for quick and
dirty potting on prototypes I'll probably need to modify.

The last one was a TAC module for a motorcycle - it wouldn't have stayed dry
long without the wax.


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[Trevor Wilson]

On 1/04/2017 5:25 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:ek5n0uF3vscU2@mid.individual.net...
On 31/03/2017 11:31 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 31/03/2017 11:10 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 31/03/2017 9:22 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 31/03/2017 9:17 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 31/03/2017 7:21 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:ejp7o7Fj307U1@mid.individual.net...
I wish they'd advertise it better, so that I can ignore it
deliberately.

Is that an Australian thing? - Never heard of it here in the UK.


It was started here, to our shame, but it got picked up in a
number of
other countries.

Showing support by turning off efficient lighting, and burning
inefficient CO2 emitting candles instead, is a common theme.

Earth hour is, above all, a demonstration of ignorance.


**Well, not really. It was designed to make people aware of the
problems
this planet faces and that we ALL need to work together to make a
difference. Certainly, turning off pool pumps (or filling in a pool,
like I did), or air conditioners will make several orders of magnitude
more impact on the environment than turning off some LED lighting, but
lighting is easy to see.



Whatever the intent behind it, all it's managed to demonstrate is that
people have little understanding of the issues.

**How do you know?



Because if they did, they're realise that burning candles is not the
way to show support.

Most people don't even think about all electric cars mostly still
require burning fossil fuel to generate the electricity in the first
place - countries with coal fired power stations didn't win much at all.

**Probably more than you think. Electric cars have some major advantages
over IC cars. Including:

* Maximum toque at zero RPM.
* Around 90%+ efficiency at ALL RPM figures. My last couple of cars were
fitted with fuel consumption computers. When cold, the car consumed
around 20L/100km on flat ground, with moderate throttle opening. When
warm, that figure fell to around 6L/100km. An electric vehicle consumes
the same amount, regardless of temperature (within obvious limits). No
warm-up is required. Since many city vehicles are operated over short
trips, fuel efficiency can be spectacularly bad. Long trips suit IC
engines quite well.
* Regenerative braking. This is the big one and particularly for city
drivers. As much as 60% of the energy which would be otherwise wasted as
heat, can be used to recharge the batteries.

All of which demonstrates the the average fuel economy of an electric
vehicle can be quite low, in terms of CO2 production/km. That said, for
me, if I had an electric vehicle, I could easily meet my transport needs
by using an array of PV cells on the roof of my garage. Thus the total
nett CO2 contribution would be zero. YMMV.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 1/04/2017 5:06 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:

Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 31/03/2017 3:51 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 31/03/2017 7:21 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:ejp7o7Fj307U1@mid.individual.net...
I wish they'd advertise it better, so that I can ignore it deliberately.

Is that an Australian thing? - Never heard of it here in the UK.


It was started here, to our shame, but it got picked up in a number of
other countries.

Showing support by turning off efficient lighting, and burning
inefficient CO2 emitting candles instead, is a common theme.

Earth hour is, above all, a demonstration of ignorance.

No. It's just a demonstration. Instead of using fuel to get to the
demo and then marching to parliament house you stay home and turn the
electricity off for an hour. It is not intended to save electricity
but, like a street march, it is intended to show solidarity with all
the other people who want action on climate change.


**That kind of subtlety is lost on Sylvia. She needs a more obvious
demonstration.

It's closer to the "bleeding obvious" than subtle and I'm sure Sylvia
understood it. She is just taking the role of a city worker who may be
inconvenienced by the demo and doesn't share the cause.

**Sylvia is just a right wing cynic. I used to credit her with more
intelligence than she has displayed recently.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Gordon Levi]

Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 31/03/2017 3:51 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 31/03/2017 7:21 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:ejp7o7Fj307U1@mid.individual.net...
I wish they'd advertise it better, so that I can ignore it deliberately.

Is that an Australian thing? - Never heard of it here in the UK.


It was started here, to our shame, but it got picked up in a number of
other countries.

Showing support by turning off efficient lighting, and burning
inefficient CO2 emitting candles instead, is a common theme.

Earth hour is, above all, a demonstration of ignorance.

No. It's just a demonstration. Instead of using fuel to get to the
demo and then marching to parliament house you stay home and turn the
electricity off for an hour. It is not intended to save electricity
but, like a street march, it is intended to show solidarity with all
the other people who want action on climate change.


**That kind of subtlety is lost on Sylvia. She needs a more obvious
demonstration.

It's closer to the "bleeding obvious" than subtle and I'm sure Sylvia
understood it. She is just taking the role of a city worker who may be
inconvenienced by the demo and doesn't share the cause.

 

[F Murtz]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 1/04/2017 5:06 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 31/03/2017 3:51 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 31/03/2017 7:21 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:ejp7o7Fj307U1@mid.individual.net...
I wish they'd advertise it better, so that I can ignore it
deliberately.

Is that an Australian thing? - Never heard of it here in the UK.


It was started here, to our shame, but it got picked up in a number of
other countries.

Showing support by turning off efficient lighting, and burning
inefficient CO2 emitting candles instead, is a common theme.

Earth hour is, above all, a demonstration of ignorance.

No. It's just a demonstration. Instead of using fuel to get to the
demo and then marching to parliament house you stay home and turn the
electricity off for an hour. It is not intended to save electricity
but, like a street march, it is intended to show solidarity with all
the other people who want action on climate change.


**That kind of subtlety is lost on Sylvia. She needs a more obvious
demonstration.

It's closer to the "bleeding obvious" than subtle and I'm sure Sylvia
understood it. She is just taking the role of a city worker who may be
inconvenienced by the demo and doesn't share the cause.



**Sylvia is just a right wing cynic. I used to credit her with more
intelligence than she has displayed recently.

We know all intelligence is related to your view on things, anyone with
a differing view are Idiots, Morons and unintelligent.

 

[Benderthe.evilrobot]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:ek881dFj6o5U1@mid.individual.net...

On 1/04/2017 5:25 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:ek5n0uF3vscU2@mid.individual.net...
On 31/03/2017 11:31 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 31/03/2017 11:10 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 31/03/2017 9:22 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 31/03/2017 9:17 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 31/03/2017 7:21 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:ejp7o7Fj307U1@mid.individual.net...
I wish they'd advertise it better, so that I can ignore it
deliberately.

Is that an Australian thing? - Never heard of it here in the UK.


It was started here, to our shame, but it got picked up in a
number of
other countries.

Showing support by turning off efficient lighting, and burning
inefficient CO2 emitting candles instead, is a common theme.

Earth hour is, above all, a demonstration of ignorance.


**Well, not really. It was designed to make people aware of the
problems
this planet faces and that we ALL need to work together to make a
difference. Certainly, turning off pool pumps (or filling in a pool,
like I did), or air conditioners will make several orders of
magnitude
more impact on the environment than turning off some LED lighting,
but
lighting is easy to see.



Whatever the intent behind it, all it's managed to demonstrate is that
people have little understanding of the issues.

**How do you know?



Because if they did, they're realise that burning candles is not the
way to show support.

Most people don't even think about all electric cars mostly still
require burning fossil fuel to generate the electricity in the first
place - countries with coal fired power stations didn't win much at all.


**Probably more than you think. Electric cars have some major advantages
over IC cars. Including:

* Maximum toque at zero RPM.
* Around 90%+ efficiency at ALL RPM figures. My last couple of cars were
fitted with fuel consumption computers. When cold, the car consumed around
20L/100km on flat ground, with moderate throttle opening. When warm, that
figure fell to around 6L/100km. An electric vehicle consumes the same
amount, regardless of temperature (within obvious limits). No warm-up is
required. Since many city vehicles are operated over short trips, fuel
efficiency can be spectacularly bad. Long trips suit IC engines quite
well.
* Regenerative braking. This is the big one and particularly for city
drivers. As much as 60% of the energy which would be otherwise wasted as
heat, can be used to recharge the batteries.

All of which demonstrates the the average fuel economy of an electric
vehicle can be quite low, in terms of CO2 production/km. That said, for
me, if I had an electric vehicle, I could easily meet my transport needs
by using an array of PV cells on the roof of my garage. Thus the total
nett CO2 contribution would be zero. YMMV.

I know all those advantages exist - but it still burns *SOME* fossil fuel
unless its nuclear or renewable.

The UK government has cancelled all subsidies for renewables - we're going
to buy French generators and pay the Chinese to build the power station and
handle our sensitive strategic materials.


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[Trevor Wilson]

On 1/04/2017 10:05 PM, F Murtz wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 1/04/2017 5:06 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 31/03/2017 3:51 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 31/03/2017 7:21 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:ejp7o7Fj307U1@mid.individual.net...
I wish they'd advertise it better, so that I can ignore it
deliberately.

Is that an Australian thing? - Never heard of it here in the UK.


It was started here, to our shame, but it got picked up in a
number of
other countries.

Showing support by turning off efficient lighting, and burning
inefficient CO2 emitting candles instead, is a common theme.

Earth hour is, above all, a demonstration of ignorance.

No. It's just a demonstration. Instead of using fuel to get to the
demo and then marching to parliament house you stay home and turn the
electricity off for an hour. It is not intended to save electricity
but, like a street march, it is intended to show solidarity with all
the other people who want action on climate change.


**That kind of subtlety is lost on Sylvia. She needs a more obvious
demonstration.

It's closer to the "bleeding obvious" than subtle and I'm sure Sylvia
understood it. She is just taking the role of a city worker who may be
inconvenienced by the demo and doesn't share the cause.



**Sylvia is just a right wing cynic. I used to credit her with more
intelligence than she has displayed recently.

We know all intelligence is related to your view on things

**Not totally, but certainly somewhat.


, anyone with
> a differing view are Idiots, Morons and unintelligent.

**Absolutely not.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Rod Speed]

"Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> wrote in message
news:VESDA.528967$nT1.284321@fx44.am4...

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:ek881dFj6o5U1@mid.individual.net...
On 1/04/2017 5:25 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:ek5n0uF3vscU2@mid.individual.net...
On 31/03/2017 11:31 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 31/03/2017 11:10 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 31/03/2017 9:22 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 31/03/2017 9:17 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 31/03/2017 7:21 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:ejp7o7Fj307U1@mid.individual.net...
I wish they'd advertise it better, so that I can ignore it
deliberately.

Is that an Australian thing? - Never heard of it here in the UK.


It was started here, to our shame, but it got picked up in a
number of
other countries.

Showing support by turning off efficient lighting, and burning
inefficient CO2 emitting candles instead, is a common theme.

Earth hour is, above all, a demonstration of ignorance.


**Well, not really. It was designed to make people aware of the
problems
this planet faces and that we ALL need to work together to make a
difference. Certainly, turning off pool pumps (or filling in a pool,
like I did), or air conditioners will make several orders of
magnitude
more impact on the environment than turning off some LED lighting,
but
lighting is easy to see.



Whatever the intent behind it, all it's managed to demonstrate is
that
people have little understanding of the issues.

**How do you know?



Because if they did, they're realise that burning candles is not the
way to show support.

Most people don't even think about all electric cars mostly still
require burning fossil fuel to generate the electricity in the first
place - countries with coal fired power stations didn't win much at all.


**Probably more than you think. Electric cars have some major advantages
over IC cars. Including:

* Maximum toque at zero RPM.
* Around 90%+ efficiency at ALL RPM figures. My last couple of cars were
fitted with fuel consumption computers. When cold, the car consumed
around 20L/100km on flat ground, with moderate throttle opening. When
warm, that figure fell to around 6L/100km. An electric vehicle consumes
the same amount, regardless of temperature (within obvious limits). No
warm-up is required. Since many city vehicles are operated over short
trips, fuel efficiency can be spectacularly bad. Long trips suit IC
engines quite well.
* Regenerative braking. This is the big one and particularly for city
drivers. As much as 60% of the energy which would be otherwise wasted as
heat, can be used to recharge the batteries.

All of which demonstrates the the average fuel economy of an electric
vehicle can be quite low, in terms of CO2 production/km. That said, for
me, if I had an electric vehicle, I could easily meet my transport needs
by using an array of PV cells on the roof of my garage. Thus the total
nett CO2 contribution would be zero. YMMV.

I know all those advantages exist - but it still burns *SOME* fossil fuel
unless its nuclear or renewable.

The UK government has cancelled all subsidies for renewables

Wrong, as always.

> - we're going to buy French generators

Wrong, as always.

> and pay the Chinese to build the power station

Wrong, as always.

> and handle our sensitive strategic materials.

Wrong, as always.