PRC as a amplifier in GPS question.

why don't you just buy an original. Buy them on the net you know.


"Brian Goldsmith" <brian.goldsmith@nospam.echo1.com.au> wrote in message
news:eek:46pf.36152$V7.5337@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"David" <david@david.com> wrote


Can anyone tell me if there is a subsitute for the following diode?

BYD33K-113

****** Fast recovery,Si.,General Purpose,3 Amps at 600V,can't help with an
equivalent.
Brian Goldsmith.
 
"Chris McDonald" <chris@csse.uwa.edu.au> wrote in message
news:do29p5$uvq$1@enyo.uwa.edu.au
"Jean-Paul Turcaud" <xyz@atlante.edu> writes:

- The Earth was formed from mother star as an expression of a
saturated body ( in the highest gradient of our Anisobaric &
Anisotropic Environment indeed) , and that Sun which you believe
being a bright shining Star is in fact really a Dark Body .... and
the shining star as you see it, is realised just about a Million
miles from Our Earth ! ... and the Egyptians knew that already!:


Ummm, now we just want to get this bit right, JPT.

The Sun as we know it is not 93 million miles away but, actually, only
1 million miles away from Earth?
I don't know which is sadder. That he actually believes this shit or that
you bothered to read it.

--
Kwyj
 
You better you Jeremy as well as Chris, take that matter very seriously.
It just not happens only to others, and since I have knows you both for a
while now, I would feel sorry if any of you or yours get badly wounded or
die as a result of your lack of anticipation.

I will give you some more clue soon, and still further I will make to
Australia a gift which will make you aware as the time goes, of the
irreversibility of the announced catastrophe. I have no obligation to this
in regards to what I received from your land all along those years i.e. not
a Thanks nor a Cent .... on the contrary as you know Denial and Vilification
on the part of you all up to Howard & Gallop ( the last Gallop 's letter to
Dr Findlay demonstrate that fact ) HAS BEEN MY LOT !

Still, being indeed one of the Greatest and only alive Australia Mining
Pioneer you ever had ( 3 mines ... remember ) I have, wrongly placed I
admit, some feeling of solidarity with you all poor & doomed Bastards ! You
are so pitiful like sitting ducks waiting for the slaughter, and croaking
around like nothing was announced !

The blade is just above your heads of you all on the Eastern Border of
Australia & the Gold Coast included indeed, and instead of praising and
thanking that seer who sees further than your do, you insult & mock him
............as you always done indeed ! 5 millions lives are in the balance
and you believe poor sods that the Sumatra or the Lisbon scenarios are
impossible to you ! POOR DOOMED IMBECILES !!!

While at no time turning your wits to point out the Crimes of the Mining
Companies of Newmont / Newcrest & BHP, The Crimes of their Corrupt Political
Backers Howard, Gallop & Sundries now and as well bearing the weight of your
contempt on those Geological Frauds who in 35 years duration ( and my whole
life indeed ) have been masquerading as Mining Heroes .... the fucken Manure
indeed !!! and that is Tyrwhitt Ze Shit, Thomson Ze Cunt, Searls Ze Gutless,
Koehn; Borner, Barr & Atkinson !!!
7 Geological filths where in fact was ONLY ONE AUSTRALIA MINING PIONEER Sir
Turcaud !

.... and this is again that very Australia Mining Pioneer who come to the
rescue, and you are not even able again to appreciate it !

.... indeed, in the LOB you have no gratitude nor recognition for those
better than you, especially when there are as was my case, a Most Gallant
French Migrant !!!

No regards



--
jpturcaud
Australia Mining Pioneer

~~ Ignorance Is The Cosmic Sin, The One Never Forgiven ! ~~




"Jeremy de Korte" <dekortej@bigpond.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
vf6pf.36158$V7.34835@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
So which ancient civilisation is JP quoting now?

So far he has threatened us with laws created by Celtic gods, overseen
with a philosophy developed by ancient Egyptions, using star maps written
by the Chinese and the Phonecians on tablets that were created by the
ancient Sumerians of Persia. Gee, JP, you have lots of friends from that
part of the world. In this way we have seen him string the meanings of
Stonehenge, the Pyamids, the Hanging Gardens and the Great Wall of China
all together. Wow, my history has slipped a bit too. Its all one big
huge conspiracy to darken the minds of those who live now.
 
Don't Feed the troll!!

"PhiI Allison" <phiIallison@tpq.com.au> wrote in message
news:tufaq1tnc1aflde5qs740jba5k8edkmen9@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:41:34 +0100, "Jean-Paul Turcaud"
xyz@atlante.edu> wrote:

David,

You will only be able to anticipate ... and pack your gears to high ground
just after Xmas. I'll give you some other clue soon.... in the meantime
just
find yourself some place in the country and leave the others pretend they
can outrun a 100 ft Tsunami (probably more like 37 m high )

The insulters & cat callers will all die, since as is it usual in such
circumstances, they believe such thing happens only to others

With best regards


you're a fuckwit.
everything you say is bullshit.
go to a mental asylum.

better still get cancer
 
"straub" <straub@ozemail.com.au> a écrit dans le message de news:
v5jaq1ppkpk321rr9ki3ablu41kbdg14m2@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:17:23 +0100, "Jean-Paul Turcaud"
xyz@atlante.edu> wrote:

... indeed, in the LOB you have no gratitude nor recognition for those
better than you, especially when there are as was my case, a Most Gallant
French Migrant !!!

Bwahahaha i'd rather be an aussie bastard than a gutless french twat

BTW Telfer is booming...
Thank you, and the gutless french twat thank you too .... and this is
certainly not tomorrow that one of you degenerate moron will be able to
achieve what I have done for your fucken country !

Anyway your comment represents the only thing one can expect from your that
land of Bastards indeed !

Laugh along with your other friends while you still can.... what was
intention to do to ward the coming disaster is waved aside now
Nothing is worth doing for your kind !

YOU ARE ALL ON YOUR OWN NOW ! .... LAMENTABLES SALAUDS.

--
Jean-Paul Turcaud
Australia Mining Pioneer ...
(the ultimate shame indeed)



~~ Ignorance Is The Cosmic Sin, The One Never Forgiven !
 
quietguy wrote:
I think the biggest drawback with the Hard Drive type cameras is that you have
to carry a laptop with you when you go touring - it means spending another 2 or
3 thousand $$$ and would drive me bananas - like most other people I went for a
tape type camera - I just need to carry a few extra tapes with me, and can
easily buy more of I run out while on hols.

Of couse the better quality (AVI) originals you get with saving to tape is a
big plus to me, but may not be important to others

I can't really think of any advantages of saving to a HD, unless the camera is
just used around the house and (original) quality is not an issue

David
I can't see any major advantage to the HD ones either.
The DV tape ones give better quality recording, are cheaper (good
quality widescreen units can be had for well under $500), spare tapes
are available almost anywhere anytime, and the tape is an excellent way
to archive your orginal quality recordings on.

No contest really.

Dave :)
 
A friend is using a Ipod like device with a 80 gig hard drive and you just
plug the cards into it .

Battery life is approx 6 hours of use and it costs approx 350 dollars, but
adds heaps of portability and no notebook

I will find out the brand for reference


"quietguy" <quietguy@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-counselling.com> wrote in
message
news:43A5BE02.7BEF73BD@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-counselling.com...
I think the biggest drawback with the Hard Drive type cameras is that you
have
to carry a laptop with you when you go touring - it means spending another
2 or
3 thousand $$$ and would drive me bananas - like most other people I went
for a
tape type camera - I just need to carry a few extra tapes with me, and can
easily buy more of I run out while on hols.

Of couse the better quality (AVI) originals you get with saving to tape is
a
big plus to me, but may not be important to others

I can't really think of any advantages of saving to a HD, unless the
camera is
just used around the house and (original) quality is not an issue

David

"Mr.T" wrote:


I guess if you really prefer having a more highly compressed format and
don't wish to edit the resulting footage, and don't mind paying a three
CCD
camera price for a one CCD camera, then I guess there is a certain
convenience to the current crop of hard drive recorders.

MrT.
 
"Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote in message
news:43a50df9$0$18203$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
Since they can hold a lot more than a 1hour tape, and it is fairly quick
to
download the files, I'd actually place that quite low on the list of major
problems.
In fact having to change tapes during shooting is one of my biggest
annoyances with mini DV cam.
I guess you probably get about the same battery duration though, so it may
not make much difference.
Depends how far you are from your computer really and how long you're away
from it. Tape systems don't really have a limit on how much footage you can
capture.

Michael
 
"FruitLoop" <Hyperactive@fruitloop.net> wrote in message
news:HUnpf.42223$V7.12428@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
A friend is using a Ipod like device with a 80 gig hard drive and you just
plug the cards into it .
There are plenty of those around but I doubt any work with a hdd camera yet.

Michael
 
"MC" <MC@nonexistent.place> wrote in message
news:do31kr$5ok$1@news-01.bur.connect.com.au...
I'm still surprised that people nowadays still bother buying
by brandname.

The days when the company name glued/printed on the equipment was
the *same* as the actual company who actually built it, are
*long* gone.
Almost all mass-market stuff (hi-fi, computers, etc) is simply
re-badged stuff off volume production lines somewhere in Asia.
Even so I think you've got a better chance with a name brand because the
company will be more likely to insist on a certain quality. Despite what
people have said here I'd still buy from Sony over "Super Golden Mega
Electronics Co"

Michael
 
"KD"
Need help in finding an appropriate MOSFET/IGBT to pulse my hi energy
flash lamp.

I currently have a 100Ws rated flash lamp running at 330V / 1620uF (88Ws)

I'm want to do pre-flash followed by the main flash so I decided to use a
MOSFET to drive the trigger transformer and pulse shapping directly.

http://optoelectronics.perkinelmer.com/content/ApplicationNotes/flashlightingappnote.pdf
(page 3)


I've been using a MOSFET with ratings of 500V and 48A continuous/192A
pulsed. However, these MOSFETS have been dying on me after around 100
flashes... I did a current test flash pulse on them and found that it drew
about 70A peak with a pulse duration of around 15ms.
** Is that an IXFK48N50 at circa $75 each ??


Is my MOSFET rated correctly???

If not, what rated MOSFET should I use??

** A bigger one.


What's the difference between an IGBT and MOSFET?

** Oh dear.........


I also used an IGBT (rated for 85A continuous ) in place of the MOSFET and
it failed to trigger with a logic signal directly from the microcontroller
(5V).

** Oh deary me ........


I then tried to manually trigger the IGBT with a 7V source and it only
flashed once - assumed I blew the IGBT... what am I doing wrong?


** Everything.


( This reminds me of the story of Microfarad and Millihenry. )



.......... Phil
 
Thanks to all who replied. I used the solution from Bunnings mentioned
by Dave - thanks!

This consisted of a SwitchLink 240V AC receiver ($40) and two
SwitchLink 12V battery-powered transmitters ($30 each). The receiver
is about the size of a deck of cards and I installed it inside the
ceiling light fitting - if you had space inside your wall cavity behind
the light switch you could put it there - and it was a breeze to wire
it up. The transmitters are also about the size of a deck of cards and
stick to the wall with double-sided tape. They use radio frequency
with a range of about 50m and there are 256 channels to avoid
interference. I then needed a 3-gang light switch ($10) to replace the
4-gang one, since the receiver is now always on. Came to $110 all up,
plus half an hour's work.

The only thing I don't like about it is that the transmitters do not
look much like a normal light switch. I looked at putting the
transmitter's electronic guts into a normal light switch case, but it
is not trivial because the transmitter uses two momentary switches for
on and off. So now I have a SwitchLink transmitter with a normal light
switch next to it for the other lights. Oh well... still much cheaper
and less messy than cutting a channel into the walls and repainting.

Cheers
R
 
"Mike" <mike@(nospam).com.au> wrote in message
news:439e8b7f$0$9287$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
Anyone have experience of sub $1K GPS In Car navigators. Was interested in
Navman ICN 320 but it does not have 3D mapping. I also have an iPAC 2210
so have considered a bluetooth Navman 4420 receiver. I am now considering
a Mio or TomTom but have not found many local users that I can question.
Anyone able to offer an opinion on these options?
Regards
Mike
I've been looking....

ICN 320 $450 at Strathfield
ICN 510 with coupon for 2005 maps $688 at Dick Smith
ICN 520 $850 pretty much everywhere at that price now
HP 6515(?) PDA with inbuilt GPS reciever and coupon for TomTom software
~$900

Been trying to figure out any incentive to get the 520 over the 510 (old
model, looks the same etc) but no-one can provide any guidance (email to
Navman was supposedly ignored).

The 320 screen is pretty small.
 
Rob Stirling wrote:
Thanks to all who replied. I used the solution from Bunnings mentioned
by Dave - thanks!

This consisted of a SwitchLink 240V AC receiver ($40) and two
SwitchLink 12V battery-powered transmitters ($30 each). The receiver
is about the size of a deck of cards and I installed it inside the
ceiling light fitting - if you had space inside your wall cavity behind
the light switch you could put it there - and it was a breeze to wire
it up. The transmitters are also about the size of a deck of cards and
stick to the wall with double-sided tape. They use radio frequency
with a range of about 50m and there are 256 channels to avoid
interference. I then needed a 3-gang light switch ($10) to replace the
4-gang one, since the receiver is now always on. Came to $110 all up,
plus half an hour's work.

The only thing I don't like about it is that the transmitters do not
look much like a normal light switch. I looked at putting the
transmitter's electronic guts into a normal light switch case, but it
is not trivial because the transmitter uses two momentary switches for
on and off. So now I have a SwitchLink transmitter with a normal light
switch next to it for the other lights. Oh well... still much cheaper
and less messy than cutting a channel into the walls and repainting.

Cheers
R
Cool.
You'd think they'd be able to make the transmitter smaller though,
keyfob size.
Definitely easier than running cable in some walls!
Are the remote buttons rugged enough to last with daily use?

Dave :)
 
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 04:36:42 GMT, "David" <david@david.com> put finger
to keyboard and composed:

Can anyone tell me if there is a subsitute for the following diode?

BYD33K-113
My vrt databook lists the "BYD 33 D ... M" as "switching, controlled
avalanche, 200 ... 1000V, 1.3A, <300ns".

Suggested equivalents are ...

BY 296 ... 299, BYV 13 ... 16, RGP 15D ... M, ++

WES have the BY299 fast recovery diode. They also have a BYV96E
(1000V, 1A), or a BYW96E (1000V, 3A) which might be suitable
replacements.

You might find this site useful for evaluating substitute parts:
http://nte01.nteinc.com/nte/NTExRefSemiProd.nsf/$$Search?OpenForm

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
 
While I will never buy Sony stuff again because of their fiddling with the
register of Windows with their CDs, I do agree that brand name stuff is the
only way to go if you are spending big bickies. Whether the stuff is any
better than no-name is not just the issue - Sony or JVC or Kenwood etc etc
etc branded gear is more likely to have been reviewed, and the mfg or
labeller is much more likely to be around for repairs etc. Also, the brand
names tend to be fussy about who they appoint as their Aussie agents -
whereas the nonames will generally sell to any Tom, Dick, or Mary, whether
or not they are able to provide service, spare part backup, and tech
support

David

Michael C wrote:

Even so I think you've got a better chance with a name brand because the
company will be more likely to insist on a certain quality. Despite what
people have said here I'd still buy from Sony over "Super Golden Mega
Electronics Co"

Michael
 
"Tom Smyth" <TomS_13@a11.aone.net.au> wrote in message
news:5urpf.841$521.30@news.cpqcorp.net...
"Mike" <mike@(nospam).com.au> wrote in message
news:439e8b7f$0$9287$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
Anyone have experience of sub $1K GPS In Car navigators. Was interested
in Navman ICN 320 but it does not have 3D mapping. I also have an iPAC
2210 so have considered a bluetooth Navman 4420 receiver. I am now
considering a Mio or TomTom but have not found many local users that I
can question. Anyone able to offer an opinion on these options?
Regards
Mike

I've been looking....

ICN 320 $450 at Strathfield
ICN 510 with coupon for 2005 maps $688 at Dick Smith
ICN 520 $850 pretty much everywhere at that price now
HP 6515(?) PDA with inbuilt GPS reciever and coupon for TomTom software
~$900

Been trying to figure out any incentive to get the 520 over the 510 (old
model, looks the same etc) but no-one can provide any guidance (email to
Navman was supposedly ignored).

The 320 screen is pretty small.
320 only does 2D mapping which cut it out of my range.
Not sure of difference from 510 to 520 but I'll look into that
MIO 268 looks OK at ~ $800 but have not had any user comments.
Cheers

Mike
 
Mike (nospam) wrote:
Anyone have experience of sub $1K GPS In Car navigators. Was interested in
Navman ICN 320 but it does not have 3D mapping. I also have an iPAC 2210 so
have considered a bluetooth Navman 4420 receiver. I am now considering a Mio
or TomTom but have not found many local users that I can question. Anyone
able to offer an opinion on these options?
Regards
Mike
I'm not up on the in-car solutions, but I'd make sure that it is a
genuine PDA solution which allows you to run other programs like
OziExplorerCE etc
Much more flexibility if you ever want to get into Geocaching or other
GPS related activities.

Dave :)
 
Forward from sci.geo.geology
..... and futher I am not here in time I will impart to you all as Xmas Gift,
as very simple way through which you will be able to anticipate the terrible
catastrophe & Great Sydney Quake, at it will known in coming years. That
Xmas GIFT from a True Geologist, not only will you be able to use it
yourself, but as well your dear children who certainly do not wish to wipe
out of existence thanks to irresponsibility of the IRRESPONSABLEZZZ IN
CHARGE IN AUSTRALIA NOW !
.... the two other system of anticipation of Earthquake which I know, and one
was discovered indeed by Dr Jeanne Rousseau of France, need geologists or
geophysicists to be implemented .... and the interpretation of the reading
although straight forward by True Geologists, can be interpreted only by
such.

Look forward to my Xmas Gift now who I hope will help save thousand of
innocent Australian People, it is very cheap to be implemented ( max 10
quid ) although a little work is required to set up the Quakes monitoring
station and it is as well as a duty to take 3 readings a day. The 1st before
sunrise and the last after sunset....
..... but we are talking about True Geology there, and there are some
constraint tied to it .... contrarily to the fraudulent sci000nce
masquerading as such now. jpturcaud
***********************


No Sir !

This is your rationale and it is at fault ... no offence meant of course
But California is not concerned by anything at the moment, all strain on
the Lithosphere is concentrated on the Longitude I am referring to.
You can sleep quietly for a few more years... what 's West of St Andreas
fault will not fall into the Ocean as yet

Regarding the 9.2 GREAT SYDNEY QUAKE now with his 500 000 victims within the
end of the year ...
I have two ways to monitor & anticipate such events ( known to the True
Geology indeed ) , but the Australians at large don't want me back to
implement such. Those leading that country hate my guts indeed, the guts of
an Australia Mining Pioneer behind all the Great Sandy Desert richness ....
and why so ? Because denouncing their corruption & forfeiture since 35 years
.....

The Corruption & Forfeiture of Prime Minister Howard and WA Premier Gallop
in a long line of Corrupt Bastards of that ink indeed ...going all the way
back to Sir Corrupt Court !!! ... and there is very little time left to me
both to survey the evolution and eventually sway the blow !!!!

... but of course I would need to be there, consult with Dr Findlay
immediately upon arrival in Sydney about the best way to proceed, and
immediately take steps to implement such !

I reckon that if the Mining Criminals of Newmont , Newcrest & BHP can be
kept at bay, it's worth trying !
.... I must be there in 3 days time though !

AND I WILL FACE MY FATE IF I FAIL !!!

.... and in anticipation I have reserved my pre-owned
G550 s/n 5019

available immediately to rush me there !!! .... and that bill 's going to
be paid by Newmont, Newcrest & BHP indeed ... and straight away too ! I need
that G550 in 2 days time on La Rochelle Tarmac !!!

500 000 Australian lives are in the balance now !!!! ...and I am ready to go
where I am the most needed in the world !!! IN AUSTRALIA !!!

--
Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
True Geologist
Founder of the True Geology

Australia Mining Pioneer
Discoverer and Legal Owner of Telfer, Nifty & Kintyre Mines
The Great Sandy Desert of Australia

* The "Golden Rule" or true story of the Discovery of the Telfer Mine
Author Bob Sheppard President of the APLA (Australian Prospectors' Union)
http://www.tnet.com.au/~warrigal/grule.html ,

* As well as Dr Don Findlay's Geological Site
http://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/index.html

~~ Ignorance Is The Cosmic Sin, The One Never Forgiven ! ~~




"Chris" <483223cb@shaw.ca> a écrit dans le message de news:
jOEpf.29311$2k.7830@pd7tw1no...

So by that rationale, California should be wiped off the map at any time
as
well.
 
Forward from sci.geo.geology
..... and futher I am not here in time I will impart to you all as Xmas Gift,
as very simple way through which you will be able to anticipate the terrible
catastrophe & Great Sydney Quake, at it will known in coming years. That
Xmas GIFT from a True Geologist, not only will you be able to use it
yourself, but as well your dear children who certainly do not wish to wipe
out of existence thanks to irresponsibility of the IRRESPONSABLEZZZ IN
CHARGE IN AUSTRALIA NOW !
.... the two other system of anticipation of Earthquake which I know, and one
was discovered indeed by Dr Jeanne Rousseau of France, need geologists or
geophysicists to be implemented .... and the interpretation of the reading
although straight forward by True Geologists, can be interpreted only by
such.

Look forward to my Xmas Gift now who I hope will help save thousand of
innocent Australian People, it is very cheap to be implemented ( max 10
quid ) although a little work is required to set up the Quakes monitoring
station and it is as well as a duty to take 3 readings a day. The 1st before
sunrise and the last after sunset....
..... but we are talking about True Geology there, and there are some
constraint tied to it .... contrarily to the fraudulent sci000nce
masquerading as such now. jpturcaud
***********************


No Sir !

This is your rationale and it is at fault ... no offence meant of course
But California is not concerned by anything at the moment, all strain on
the Lithosphere is concentrated on the Longitude I am referring to.
You can sleep quietly for a few more years... what 's West of St Andreas
fault will not fall into the Ocean as yet

Regarding the 9.2 GREAT SYDNEY QUAKE now with his 500 000 victims within the
end of the year ...
I have two ways to monitor & anticipate such events ( known to the True
Geology indeed ) , but the Australians at large don't want me back to
implement such. Those leading that country hate my guts indeed, the guts of
an Australia Mining Pioneer behind all the Great Sandy Desert richness ....
and why so ? Because denouncing their corruption & forfeiture since 35 years
.....

The Corruption & Forfeiture of Prime Minister Howard and WA Premier Gallop
in a long line of Corrupt Bastards of that ink indeed ...going all the way
back to Sir Corrupt Court !!! ... and there is very little time left to me
both to survey the evolution and eventually sway the blow !!!!

... but of course I would need to be there, consult with Dr Findlay
immediately upon arrival in Sydney about the best way to proceed, and
immediately take steps to implement such !

I reckon that if the Mining Criminals of Newmont , Newcrest & BHP can be
kept at bay, it's worth trying !
.... I must be there in 3 days time though !

AND I WILL FACE MY FATE IF I FAIL !!!

.... and in anticipation I have reserved my pre-owned
G550 s/n 5019

available immediately to rush me there !!! .... and that bill 's going to
be paid by Newmont, Newcrest & BHP indeed ... and straight away too ! I need
that G550 in 2 days time on La Rochelle Tarmac !!!

500 000 Australian lives are in the balance now !!!! ...and I am ready to go
where I am the most needed in the world !!! IN AUSTRALIA !!!

--
Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
True Geologist
Founder of the True Geology

Australia Mining Pioneer
Discoverer and Legal Owner of Telfer, Nifty & Kintyre Mines
The Great Sandy Desert of Australia

* The "Golden Rule" or true story of the Discovery of the Telfer Mine
Author Bob Sheppard President of the APLA (Australian Prospectors' Union)
http://www.tnet.com.au/~warrigal/grule.html ,

* As well as Dr Don Findlay's Geological Site
http://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/index.html

~~ Ignorance Is The Cosmic Sin, The One Never Forgiven ! ~~




"Chris" <483223cb@shaw.ca> a écrit dans le message de news:
jOEpf.29311$2k.7830@pd7tw1no...

So by that rationale, California should be wiped off the map at any time
as
well.
 

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