Power savers again

"kreed"

We live under little more than a dictatorship that is dressed up in
drag as a free democratic society, and the more I see, much of the
world does too.

** Careful - you are sounding a bit radical there......


As for our democracy, with its overload of bludging bogan ferals, our
"democratic system" is more akin to 2 cats and a mouse sitting down to
democratically vote on what will be for dinner.


** That IS s rather good.

You ought to copyright it ...........





..... Phil
 
"who where"
**As Phil and Sylvia have already stated, you are wasting your time. It
might be better to spend your time suggesting to the ACCC to investigate
Tony Abbott's dodgy claims about his CO2 reduction scheme. It has been
comprehensively debunked by every economist in the country.

and there's the problem. Garnaut et al are economists, and that
qualifies them as experts on the environment exactly how?
Click to expand...

** Economics was * invented * by self serving economists.

Just like " sociology " was invented by self serving sociologists.

Just like " scientology " was invented by ratbag scientologists.

Anything can be fucking " invented " - even god !!!!!!!!


As Voltaire famously said - while under extreme pressure from Catholic
bishops claiming GOD as their authority - he answered thus:

" God is such an extraordinarily useful concept that, if he did not
already clearly exist, it would be necessary for man to invent him. "

Nice reply.



..... Phil
 
On Jul 6, 7:35 pm, "Phil Allison" <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
"kreed"

none of it will make any difference as the carbon is not creating any
problems in the first place.

Julia will just lower your standard of living - for absolutely nothing

Fortunately it seems about 60% of Australians have seen through the
bullshit.

** Only 60% ??

IMO  -   rabid greenies are thee only supporters of a CO2 based tax.

Thing is, the ALP are beholding to them for any hope of re-election.

So much for democracy - eh ?

....  Phil
Click to expand...
I agree with that 100%


In my post, I was just referring to the "official polls" published in
the mainstream media, they show approximately 60% against the carbon
tax.
I personally think this is greatly understating the opposition to it.

From what I hear in the general community, it would be more like 90%
against. For the first time ever, I am hearing more and
more raw anger brewing among people over this and many other things

I have yet to run into anyone who has a good thing to say about
Gillard.



As for democracy, we only have the choice between a couple of masters
that we are forced to obey and be slaves too

As seen with Gillard, they can fraudulently promise anything they want
to us to get votes and into power, but
these promises mean nothing anyway.

We live under little more than a dictatorship that is dressed up in
drag as a free democratic society, and the more I see, much of the
world does too.

As for our democracy, with its overload of bludging bogan ferals, our
"democratic system" is more akin to 2 cats and a mouse sitting down to
democratically vote on what will be for dinner.
 
On 6/07/2011 1:06 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
TonyS wrote:
We had this subject a little while ago and I think we came to the
conclusion that those little plugin power factor correction devices
don't work. Meaning they won't reduce you power bill by a measurable
amount. Not for the undistorted current and not for the harmonics.

There is a new player in the market and they even send pamphlets to
private households, asking $199, discounted (RRP $299):
http://www.go4greenenergysmart.com.au/

Would you find it appropriate to alert the ACCC?

**As Phil and Sylvia have already stated, you are wasting your time. It
might be better to spend your time suggesting to the ACCC to investigate
Tony Abbott's dodgy claims about his CO2 reduction scheme. It has been
comprehensively debunked by every economist in the country.
Click to expand...
Except that the ACCC can only investigate claims made in the course of
trade. Whatever one might think of the claims of politicians, whether
Tony Abbott, or otherwise, they are not made in the course of trade.

Sylvia.
 
On 7/07/2011 5:15 AM, asdf wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 09:53:30 +0800, TonyS wrote:

Would you find it appropriate to alert the ACCC?

The only way of defeating the market for this stuff is
to pirate it. Yes, seriously.
Just crack open some of these ripoffs in front of a camera
identifying its components and drawing the schematic, then
post the video to youtube encouraging everyone to build his one.
For those not into electronics one could also offer very
cheap kits/clones using identical components and schematic,
making clear that the intended purpose is to ask, say, $15
to give people enough knowledge to save $200.

I'm pretty sure the manufacturers lawyers would *not* come
after the clone maker and their clients will have to find
something else to rob people.
Click to expand...
Hm.. The last thing I'd want is encouraging lay people to start
tinkering with 240V really.

Tony
 
On 6/07/2011 5:04 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 6/07/2011 4:42 PM, TonyS wrote:
On 6/07/2011 11:24 AM, Geoff wrote:
TonyS<nospam@mymail.com> wrote in
news:f7adnXxGB-2HXY7TnZ2dnUVZ_jSdnZ2d@westnet.com.au:

[...]

I do recall seeing inside one of those on an overseas trip
earlier this year.
I remember it had a micro and a reasonable amount of processing
electronics, it is not in my field so I did not take much
notice.

I am puzzled as to how an active device is correcting PF and harmonics???

Well, it takes more than just processing power. Typically, it'll require
a largish capacitor. But sticking just a capacitor across the wires will
create the very problem it's meant to be solving when the (presumed
inductive) load is absent. So current through the capacitor has to be
controlled.

Sylvia.
Click to expand...
Correct. Over compensating, so to say and just shifting the phase the
other way.
Maybe the active controls are doing much more, like handling a bank of
capacitors to optimise PF? After all, industrial PF optimisation devices
have been on the market for a very long time.
This can be a tricky issue if you create a tuned circuit, with inductors
that could run load less at times. The currents in a tuned circuit are
in theory only limited by losses and to work out what happens if iron
cores get driven into saturation is another kettle of fish.

Tony


Tony
 
On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 09:53:30 +0800, TonyS wrote:

Would you find it appropriate to alert the ACCC?
Click to expand...
The only way of defeating the market for this stuff is
to pirate it. Yes, seriously.
Just crack open some of these ripoffs in front of a camera
identifying its components and drawing the schematic, then
post the video to youtube encouraging everyone to build his one.
For those not into electronics one could also offer very
cheap kits/clones using identical components and schematic,
making clear that the intended purpose is to ask, say, $15
to give people enough knowledge to save $200.

I'm pretty sure the manufacturers lawyers would *not* come
after the clone maker and their clients will have to find
something else to rob people.
 
On Jul 6, 9:15 pm, kreed <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 6, 7:35 pm, "Phil Allison" <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote:



"kreed"

none of it will make any difference as the carbon is not creating any
problems in the first place.

Julia will just lower your standard of living - for absolutely nothing

Fortunately it seems about 60% of Australians have seen through the
bullshit.

** Only 60% ??

IMO  -   rabid greenies are thee only supporters of a CO2 based tax..

Thing is, the ALP are beholding to them for any hope of re-election.

So much for democracy - eh ?

....  Phil

I agree with that 100%

In my post, I was just referring to the "official polls" published in
the mainstream media, they show approximately 60% against the carbon
tax.
I personally think this is greatly understating the opposition to it.


From what I hear in the general community, it would be more like 90%
against.  For the first time ever, I am hearing more and
more raw anger brewing among people over this and many other things
Click to expand...

I was close, it was a lucky guess. Take a look at "today's poll" at
the

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au website

"Can the government on Sunday persuade the public the carbon tax is
necessary and viable?"
currently 92 % say NO.
 
On 7/07/2011 10:14 AM, kreed wrote:
On Jul 6, 9:15 pm, kreed<kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 6, 7:35 pm, "Phil Allison"<phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote:



"kreed"

none of it will make any difference as the carbon is not creating any
problems in the first place.

Julia will just lower your standard of living - for absolutely nothing

Fortunately it seems about 60% of Australians have seen through the
bullshit.

** Only 60% ??

IMO - rabid greenies are thee only supporters of a CO2 based tax.

Thing is, the ALP are beholding to them for any hope of re-election.

So much for democracy - eh ?

.... Phil

I agree with that 100%

In my post, I was just referring to the "official polls" published in
the mainstream media, they show approximately 60% against the carbon
tax.
I personally think this is greatly understating the opposition to it.


From what I hear in the general community, it would be more like 90%
against. For the first time ever, I am hearing more and
more raw anger brewing among people over this and many other things



I was close, it was a lucky guess. Take a look at "today's poll" at
the

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au website

"Can the government on Sunday persuade the public the carbon tax is
necessary and viable?"
currently 92 % say NO.
Click to expand...
That's a different question. Essentially it's asking people not what
their own attitude is to the carbon tax, but what they think is the
attitute of other people to it.

Whether people realise that that's what they're being asked, and answer
accordingly, is another matter entirely.

Sylvia.
 
On Jul 7, 12:11 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
On 7/07/2011 10:14 AM, kreed wrote:



On Jul 6, 9:15 pm, kreed<kenreed1...@gmail.com>  wrote:
On Jul 6, 7:35 pm, "Phil Allison"<phi...@tpg.com.au>  wrote:

"kreed"

none of it will make any difference as the carbon is not creating any
problems in the first place.

Julia will just lower your standard of living - for absolutely nothing

Fortunately it seems about 60% of Australians have seen through the
bullshit.

** Only 60% ??

IMO  -   rabid greenies are thee only supporters of a CO2 based tax.

Thing is, the ALP are beholding to them for any hope of re-election.

So much for democracy - eh ?

....  Phil

I agree with that 100%

In my post, I was just referring to the "official polls" published in
the mainstream media, they show approximately 60% against the carbon
tax.
I personally think this is greatly understating the opposition to it.

 From what I hear in the general community, it would be more like 90%
against.  For the first time ever, I am hearing more and
more raw anger brewing among people over this and many other things

I was close, it was a lucky guess.  Take a look at "today's poll" at
the

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au website

"Can the government on Sunday persuade the public the carbon tax is
necessary and viable?"
currently 92 % say NO.

That's a different question. Essentially it's asking people not what
their own attitude is to the carbon tax, but what they think is the
attitute of other people to it.

Whether people realise that that's what they're being asked, and answer
accordingly, is another matter entirely.

Sylvia.
Click to expand...
Just the same, 90% of people think that other people don't approve of
it, and
generally people will be biased to their own opinion when they answer,
or on what they
hear from other people when the subject is discussed.

Either way you look at it, this means that a significant majority of
people dont support the tax.
 
kreed wrote:
On Jul 7, 12:11 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
On 7/07/2011 10:14 AM, kreed wrote:



On Jul 6, 9:15 pm, kreed<kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 6, 7:35 pm, "Phil Allison"<phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote:

"kreed"

none of it will make any difference as the carbon is not creating
any problems in the first place.

Julia will just lower your standard of living - for absolutely
nothing

Fortunately it seems about 60% of Australians have seen through
the bullshit.

** Only 60% ??

IMO - rabid greenies are thee only supporters of a CO2 based tax.

Thing is, the ALP are beholding to them for any hope of
re-election.

So much for democracy - eh ?

.... Phil

I agree with that 100%

In my post, I was just referring to the "official polls" published
in the mainstream media, they show approximately 60% against the
carbon tax.
I personally think this is greatly understating the opposition to
it.

From what I hear in the general community, it would be more like
90% against. For the first time ever, I am hearing more and
more raw anger brewing among people over this and many other things

I was close, it was a lucky guess. Take a look at "today's poll" at
the

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au website

"Can the government on Sunday persuade the public the carbon tax is
necessary and viable?"
currently 92 % say NO.

That's a different question. Essentially it's asking people not what
their own attitude is to the carbon tax, but what they think is the
attitute of other people to it.

Whether people realise that that's what they're being asked, and
answer accordingly, is another matter entirely.

Sylvia.

Just the same, 90% of people think that other people don't approve of
it,
Click to expand...
**No. That is not what was asked and not what Sylvia was alluding to. The
government has an apalling record of communicating with the public. The
question related directly to this fact. NOT the carbon tax per se.

and
generally people will be biased to their own opinion when they answer,
or on what they
hear from other people when the subject is discussed.

Either way you look at it, this means that a significant majority of
people dont support the tax.
Click to expand...
**So? Governments often do stuff that no one wants. Here's a short (and very
incomplete) list of stuff that our government has done that was not popular
(and did not require a mandate to do):

* Abolish capital punishment.
* Send young men to thier deaths in the Vietnam War.
* Send young men to their deaths in the Korean War.
* Send young men to their deaths in the Afghan War.
* Send young men to their deaths in the Iraq War.
* Switch to decimal currency.
* Switch to the Metric system.
* Etc.

The government does not have to consult with the public for every decision
it makes. That is just a delusion implanted by Abbott.

If you don't like the carbon tax/ETS, then you can vote for Abbott at the
next election. He has promised to dismantle the carbon tax/ETS and replace
it with his dodgy, discredited, fully taxpayer funded waste of money.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
 
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