Possible Alien Invasion at hand

On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 10:44:47 AM UTC+2, Martin Brown wrote:

On 16/09/2019 12:59, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Monday, September 16, 2019 at 4:53:08 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown
wrote:
On 12/09/2019 20:42, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 10:10:31 -0700 (PDT),
skybuck2000@hotmail.com wrote:

That could have been a scout, this could be the MOTHERSHIP...
disguised as a COMET ! Aliens-no-fools !
War-ALLLL-about-deception !

The best picture so far is by Borisov and shows a fairly normal comet
tail for an object at that distance and also an animation of its
movement against the stars. Better images will follow as it brightens.

https://www.centauri-dreams.org/2019/09/12/c-2019-q4-borisov-a-likely-interstellar-comet/

It is unusual to have a comet in such a hyperbolic orbit though - most
comets we see are roughly parabolic nearly bound solar system objects.
Perturbations in three body collisions typically flick one in and one
outwards - looks like we have one flicked out of another solar system.

The Heavens Gate Hale-Boppites cult believed that and got the
Darwin Award for it! Strangely the even more impressive fast close
approach bigger brighter comet Hyakutake the year before attracted
no such cult following as it was all more or less over inside a
week or two.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_Hyakutake Many people didn't
even notice it in the sky. Hale-Bopp was a feature of the northern
night sky for months. BTW we are due a decent bright comet. (hasn't
really been anything truly bright since 1996)


We had an amateur Astronomer who bored the entire base with a half
hour of 35mm slides he took of Comet_Kohoutek after the TV station
manger gave him air time on the station.

Pity since Comet Kohoutek despite all the hype was a bit of a damp squib
and later on Halley's Comet return was used as an excuse to sell mass
produced terrible scopes made down to a price to an unsuspecting public.

Hmmm, I was thinking about maybe buying a telescope, to look at this object myself from earth.

Not sure if that is possible from the Netherlands... small little country... and I am in the middle of a city... lots of light pollution.

It would be awesome if the telescope could be remotely controlled.

So I can sit lazyly behind my PC and if the telescope could send pictures to my PC either by WIFI or CABLE or even more awesome: BOTH =D

Even more awesome would be over the internet ! LOL. But telescope to PC is enough for now.

Then I might even set it up to monitor for a few hours to see if it catches any UFOs out there in space ! =D

This would be my first telescope. I'd be willing to spent at most 200 euro's on it if it can film/picture this object.

Any recommendations/ideas ?

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Martin Brown]

On 18/09/2019 01:16, skybuck2000@hotmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 10:44:47 AM UTC+2, Martin Brown
wrote:
On 16/09/2019 12:59, Michael Terrell wrote:
[snip]
We had an amateur Astronomer who bored the entire base with a
half hour of 35mm slides he took of Comet_Kohoutek after the TV
station manger gave him air time on the station.

Pity since Comet Kohoutek despite all the hype was a bit of a damp
squib and later on Halley's Comet return was used as an excuse to
sell mass produced terrible scopes made down to a price to an
unsuspecting public.

Hmmm, I was thinking about maybe buying a telescope, to look at this
object myself from earth.

Not sure if that is possible from the Netherlands... small little
country... and I am in the middle of a city... lots of light
pollution.

It would be awesome if the telescope could be remotely controlled.

You can hire time on global dark sky telescopes available to amateurs if
you are so inclined. I suggest something in the 2m class of bigger if
you want to get anything other than a slightly fuzzy star detection.

So I can sit lazyly behind my PC and if the telescope could send
pictures to my PC either by WIFI or CABLE or even more awesome: BOTH
=D

Even more awesome would be over the internet ! LOL. But telescope to
PC is enough for now.

Then I might even set it up to monitor for a few hours to see if it
catches any UFOs out there in space ! =D

This would be my first telescope. I'd be willing to spent at most 200
euro's on it if it can film/picture this object.

Any recommendations/ideas ?

Find your local astronomical society in about Jan 2020 - there should be
someone with a scope big enough and the expertise needed to find it.

That budget will buy you some (not a lot) of decent scope time.

https://www.itelescope.net/pricing

My own 10" scope in a dark sky with guided cooled CCD will just about
image it when it is at closest approach in Jan 2020 but I am not
inclined to bother. If any of my better equipped friends succeed in
getting an image I will post a link to it here. At present it is only
really visible to instruments in the 1m class and upwards.

I am also rather suspicious of the ephemeris predicted brightness since
IME they almost always err on the (very) optimistic side. It is
presently predicted as mag 17.7 not confirmed by observations.

https://theskylive.com/c2019q4-info

It could easily be fainter than that. Initial indications are rather
boringly that it looks pretty much like any other solar system comet.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-49719696


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Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Martin Brown]

On 18/09/2019 11:50, Martin Brown wrote:

It could easily be fainter than that. Initial indications are rather
boringly that it looks pretty much like any other solar system comet.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-49719696

IAU have classified it as genuinely extra solar based on improved orbit
determination. Some big scopes are expected to try to detect any unusual
isotopic ratios from spectral lines (which may be quite a challenge).

https://www.iau.org/news/pressreleases/detail/iau1910/?lang

Be so much easier if it could be physically sampled.

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Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Winfield Hill]

Martin Brown wrote...

Be so much easier if it could be physically sampled.

A one-way trip to catch it could be arraigned.
You must first get up to its incredible speed,
land, take and send measurements, and goodbye.


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Thanks,
- Win

 

[Jamie M]

On 2019-09-24 2:23 p.m., Winfield Hill wrote:

Martin Brown wrote...

Be so much easier if it could be physically sampled.

A one-way trip to catch it could be arraigned.
You must first get up to its incredible speed,
land, take and send measurements, and goodbye.

I suggest sending a spacecraft ASAP with aerogel dust samplers,
and a high speed camera, and set an intercept course,
and try to get some good pictures as the UFO goes by,
and also sample the dust/off gassing with the aerogel. Also a high
power laser to do active spectroscopy, or to neutralize any hostiles.

cheers,
Jamie

 

[Martin Brown]

On 24/09/2019 22:23, Winfield Hill wrote:

Martin Brown wrote...

Be so much easier if it could be physically sampled.

A one-way trip to catch it could be arraigned.
You must first get up to its incredible speed,
land, take and send measurements, and goodbye.

Space qualified SIRA mass specs take a while to build

Interestingly from the preliminary orbit some astronomers have worked
out a likely star system that the thing may have originated from:

https://physicsworld.com/a/interstellar-comet-2i-borisov-comes-from-a-binary-star-13-light-years-away-say-astronomers/

Still no better photographs of it as yet. Too dim and distant.

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Regards,
Martin Brown