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It's right through your finger down through the left leg into the bigWhere is the high voltage return path in a plasma ball?
On 16/04/14 07:27, Uncle Peter wrote:
Where is the high voltage return path in a plasma ball?
It's right through your finger down through the left leg into the big
toe and off to ground via your shoe.
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:42:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:
On 16/04/14 07:27, Uncle Peter wrote:
Where is the high voltage return path in a plasma ball?
It's right through your finger down through the left leg into the big
toe and off to ground via your shoe.
But the HV generator isn't grounded. It needs to get from me back to
that somehow. I looked inside one and only one wire leads from it, to
the centre of the sphere. Where is the other one?
Research "capacitive"
On 17/04/14 00:07, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:42:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:
On 16/04/14 07:27, Uncle Peter wrote:
Where is the high voltage return path in a plasma ball?
It's right through your finger down through the left leg into the big
toe and off to ground via your shoe.
But the HV generator isn't grounded. It needs to get from me back to
that somehow. I looked inside one and only one wire leads from it, to
the centre of the sphere. Where is the other one?
Research "capacitive"
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 03:04:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:
On 17/04/14 00:07, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:42:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:
On 16/04/14 07:27, Uncle Peter wrote:
Where is the high voltage return path in a plasma ball?
It's right through your finger down through the left leg into the big
toe and off to ground via your shoe.
But the HV generator isn't grounded. It needs to get from me back to
that somehow. I looked inside one and only one wire leads from it, to
the centre of the sphere. Where is the other one?
Research "capacitive"
Oh, you mean because the frequency is so high, the current is tiny, so
you don't need a return, it just comes back in the other half of the cycle?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe
On 17/04/14 17:33, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 03:04:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:
On 17/04/14 00:07, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:42:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:
On 16/04/14 07:27, Uncle Peter wrote:
It's right through your finger down through the left leg into the big
toe and off to ground via your shoe.
But the HV generator isn't grounded. It needs to get from me back to
that somehow. I looked inside one and only one wire leads from it, to
the centre of the sphere. Where is the other one?
Research "capacitive"
Oh, you mean because the frequency is so high, the current is tiny, so
you don't need a return, it just comes back in the other half of the cycle?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe
Because the return path is capacitive .... maybe from the bottom of yourOn Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:56:34 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:
On 17/04/14 17:33, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 03:04:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:
On 17/04/14 00:07, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:42:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:
On 16/04/14 07:27, Uncle Peter wrote:
It's right through your finger down through the left leg into the big
toe and off to ground via your shoe.
But the HV generator isn't grounded. It needs to get from me back to
that somehow. I looked inside one and only one wire leads from it, to
the centre of the sphere. Where is the other one?
Research "capacitive"
Oh, you mean because the frequency is so high, the current is tiny, so
you don't need a return, it just comes back in the other half of the
cycle?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe
I read that before posting and didn't see anything about a return path.
On 17/04/14 23:48, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:56:34 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:
On 17/04/14 17:33, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 03:04:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:
On 17/04/14 00:07, Uncle Peter wrote:
Research "capacitive"
Oh, you mean because the frequency is so high, the current is tiny, so
you don't need a return, it just comes back in the other half of the
cycle?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe
I read that before posting and didn't see anything about a return path.
Because the return path is capacitive .... maybe from the bottom of your
foot, across the dielectric of your shoe/floor covering/etc into the
earth on which you stand, via the earth connection of the mains supply
to the power supply of the HV generator. Your foot/body is one plate of
the capacitor and the Earth is the other plate!!
Or something like that.
Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic butOn Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:44:30 +0100, Daniel <dxmm@albury.nospam.net.au
wrote:
On 17/04/14 23:48, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:56:34 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:
On 17/04/14 17:33, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 03:04:37 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:
On 17/04/14 00:07, Uncle Peter wrote:
Research "capacitive"
Oh, you mean because the frequency is so high, the current is tiny, so
you don't need a return, it just comes back in the other half of the
cycle?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe
I read that before posting and didn't see anything about a return path.
Because the return path is capacitive .... maybe from the bottom of your
foot, across the dielectric of your shoe/floor covering/etc into the
earth on which you stand, via the earth connection of the mains supply
to the power supply of the HV generator. Your foot/body is one plate of
the capacitor and the Earth is the other plate!!
Or something like that.
The HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated 12V stepdown
transformer.
On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:44:30 +0100, Daniel <dxmm@albury.nospam.net.au
wrote:
On 17/04/14 23:48, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:56:34 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:
On 17/04/14 17:33, Uncle Peter wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe
I read that before posting and didn't see anything about a return path.
Because the return path is capacitive .... maybe from the bottom of your
foot, across the dielectric of your shoe/floor covering/etc into the
earth on which you stand, via the earth connection of the mains supply
to the power supply of the HV generator. Your foot/body is one plate of
the capacitor and the Earth is the other plate!!
Or something like that.
The HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated 12V stepdown
transformer.
Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.
Hmmm, could it be possible (gasp!) that there is interwindingOn Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:33:05 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:
On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:44:30 +0100, Daniel <dxmm@albury.nospam.net.au
wrote:
On 17/04/14 23:48, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:56:34 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:
On 17/04/14 17:33, Uncle Peter wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe
I read that before posting and didn't see anything about a return
path.
Because the return path is capacitive .... maybe from the bottom of
your
foot, across the dielectric of your shoe/floor covering/etc into the
earth on which you stand, via the earth connection of the mains supply
to the power supply of the HV generator. Your foot/body is one plate of
the capacitor and the Earth is the other plate!!
Or something like that.
The HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated 12V stepdown
transformer.
Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.
Which part of the HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated
12V stepdown
transformer didn't you believe?
On 19/04/14 08:08, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:33:05 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:
On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:44:30 +0100, Daniel <dxmm@albury.nospam.net.au
wrote:
On 17/04/14 23:48, Uncle Peter wrote:
Because the return path is capacitive .... maybe from the bottom of
your
foot, across the dielectric of your shoe/floor covering/etc into the
earth on which you stand, via the earth connection of the mains supply
to the power supply of the HV generator. Your foot/body is one plate of
the capacitor and the Earth is the other plate!!
Or something like that.
The HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated 12V stepdown
transformer.
Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.
Which part of the HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated
12V stepdown
transformer didn't you believe?
Hmmm, could it be possible (gasp!) that there is interwinding
capacitance ???
Yeah, I thought you would. Although have you lost the interest in theOn Sat, 19 Apr 2014 02:20:41 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:
On 19/04/14 08:08, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:33:05 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:
On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:44:30 +0100, Daniel <dxmm@albury.nospam.net.au
wrote:
On 17/04/14 23:48, Uncle Peter wrote:
Because the return path is capacitive .... maybe from the bottom of
your
foot, across the dielectric of your shoe/floor covering/etc into the
earth on which you stand, via the earth connection of the mains
supply
to the power supply of the HV generator. Your foot/body is one
plate of
the capacitor and the Earth is the other plate!!
Or something like that.
The HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated 12V stepdown
transformer.
Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.
Which part of the HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated
12V stepdown
transformer didn't you believe?
Hmmm, could it be possible (gasp!) that there is interwinding
capacitance ???
Oooh I love it when you talk dirty!
On 19/04/14 17:54, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 02:20:41 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:
On 19/04/14 08:08, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:33:05 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:
On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:
Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.
Which part of the HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated
12V stepdown
transformer didn't you believe?
Hmmm, could it be possible (gasp!) that there is interwinding
capacitance ???
Oooh I love it when you talk dirty!
Yeah, I thought you would. Although have you lost the interest in the
boys ??
At the very least, the secondary of the transformer must have two endsOn Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:33:05 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:
On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:44:30 +0100, Daniel <dxmm@albury.nospam.net.au
wrote:
On 17/04/14 23:48, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:56:34 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:
On 17/04/14 17:33, Uncle Peter wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe
I read that before posting and didn't see anything about a return
path.
Because the return path is capacitive .... maybe from the bottom of
your
foot, across the dielectric of your shoe/floor covering/etc into the
earth on which you stand, via the earth connection of the mains supply
to the power supply of the HV generator. Your foot/body is one plate of
the capacitor and the Earth is the other plate!!
Or something like that.
The HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated 12V stepdown
transformer.
Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.
Which part of the HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated
12V stepdown
transformer didn't you believe?
On 19/04/14 10:08, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:33:05 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:
On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:44:30 +0100, Daniel <dxmm@albury.nospam.net.au
wrote:
On 17/04/14 23:48, Uncle Peter wrote:
Because the return path is capacitive .... maybe from the bottom of
your
foot, across the dielectric of your shoe/floor covering/etc into the
earth on which you stand, via the earth connection of the mains supply
to the power supply of the HV generator. Your foot/body is one plate of
the capacitor and the Earth is the other plate!!
Or something like that.
The HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated 12V stepdown
transformer.
Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.
Which part of the HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated
12V stepdown
transformer didn't you believe?
At the very least, the secondary of the transformer must have two ends
... one connects to the central spike inside the ball and the other end
*must* connect somewhere .... maybe to the iron former of the
transformer itself or, maybe, to some circuit board.
In any case, the primary winding *must* return to the mains supply some
how!!
Did you not read this line, Peter, ...."one connects to the centralOn Sun, 20 Apr 2014 12:06:07 +0100, Daniel <dxmm@albury.nospam.net.au
wrote:
On 19/04/14 10:08, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:33:05 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:
On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:44:30 +0100, Daniel <dxmm@albury.nospam.net.au
wrote:
On 17/04/14 23:48, Uncle Peter wrote:
Because the return path is capacitive .... maybe from the bottom of
your
foot, across the dielectric of your shoe/floor covering/etc into the
earth on which you stand, via the earth connection of the mains
supply
to the power supply of the HV generator. Your foot/body is one
plate of
the capacitor and the Earth is the other plate!!
Or something like that.
The HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated 12V stepdown
transformer.
Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.
Which part of the HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated
12V stepdown
transformer didn't you believe?
At the very least, the secondary of the transformer must have two ends
... one connects to the central spike inside the ball and the other end
*must* connect somewhere .... maybe to the iron former of the
transformer itself or, maybe, to some circuit board.
In any case, the primary winding *must* return to the mains supply some
how!!
Wall wart 240VAC to 12VAC. Connected to this is a bridge rectifier with
a smoothing capacitor. Connected to that is a hidden circuit, with ONE
output wire, to the spike in the ball.
On 21/04/14 05:05, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2014 12:06:07 +0100, Daniel <dxmm@albury.nospam.net.au
wrote:
On 19/04/14 10:08, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:33:05 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:
On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:
Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.
Which part of the HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an isolated
12V stepdown
transformer didn't you believe?
At the very least, the secondary of the transformer must have two ends
... one connects to the central spike inside the ball and the other end
*must* connect somewhere .... maybe to the iron former of the
transformer itself or, maybe, to some circuit board.
In any case, the primary winding *must* return to the mains supply some
how!!
Wall wart 240VAC to 12VAC. Connected to this is a bridge rectifier with
a smoothing capacitor. Connected to that is a hidden circuit, with ONE
output wire, to the spike in the ball.
Did you not read this line, Peter, ...."one connects to the central
spike inside the ball and the other end *must* connect somewhere"
For current flow, *there must be two connections* !! Just because you
cannot determine where it is doesn't mean it doesn't exist!!
If it is capacitive, it is capacitive. Did you read where I mentionedOn Mon, 21 Apr 2014 12:09:01 +0100, Daniel <dxmm@albury.nospam.net.au
wrote:
On 21/04/14 05:05, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2014 12:06:07 +0100, Daniel <dxmm@albury.nospam.net.au
wrote:
On 19/04/14 10:08, Uncle Peter wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:33:05 +0100, Rheilly Phoull
rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:
On 18/04/14 20:44, Uncle Peter wrote:
Yeah, you're right. We were lying. It's actually done with magic but
don't tell anyone.
Which part of the HV generator isn't grounded. It runs off an
isolated
12V stepdown
transformer didn't you believe?
At the very least, the secondary of the transformer must have two ends
... one connects to the central spike inside the ball and the other end
*must* connect somewhere .... maybe to the iron former of the
transformer itself or, maybe, to some circuit board.
In any case, the primary winding *must* return to the mains supply some
how!!
Wall wart 240VAC to 12VAC. Connected to this is a bridge rectifier with
a smoothing capacitor. Connected to that is a hidden circuit, with ONE
output wire, to the spike in the ball.
Did you not read this line, Peter, ...."one connects to the central
spike inside the ball and the other end *must* connect somewhere"
For current flow, *there must be two connections* !! Just because you
cannot determine where it is doesn't mean it doesn't exist!!
Which is what I first thought, then someone else said it was
capacitive. It most certainly does NOT exist. I can clearly see a
sealed unit with three wires coming from it. Two are the 15VDC supply
wires, the other goes to the centre of the discharge tube.