Phil Alisson

[Moses Lim]

Spanky wrote:

FWIW I didn't say that I was a computer technician, I said my technical
background was in computer technology, I am a network engineer.

network engineer, eh?? wow!! impressive ...

so what kinda engineering r u talking about?? cable pulling? crimping
connectors? cutting holes in walls?? ok ok ok .. just pulling ur leg

mate .. u gotta understand that using big high faluting labels to describe
urself is a very dangerous thing to do in a NG like this ... some of the
folks here are not as easily impressed as i m ...so u gotta expect some
flak if u continue to big-note urself ...

i mean.. it is well and good to understand what a routing table does and on
the basis of that... call urself a network engineer .. but u do realise
that some of the guys here not only understand routing tables .. they also
understand the electronics which go into making the circuitry which store
the routing table .... and if they r so inclined .. they could probably
make u a complete router?? in my mind .. such folk are more worthy of the
title "network engineer"

aaarrrr... don't worry about me mate .. u'll have to find ur own way thru
this life

 

[Spanky]

I think you are missing the point too. Sure things are uneconomical to
repair these days, but part of being an Engineer is knowing the
fundamentals.

I think that I have a fair understanding of the fundamentals but I have no
need to know anything in depth about electronics.

(Except for any Microsoft "engineer" certificate that is)

Yep, I agree.

TonyP.

 

[Spanky]

Hmm Thats funny I am a Wide Area Network engineer and I find it difficult
to
understand how anyone could do my job without an Understanding of
Electronics.

Who said that I didn't have an understanding of electronics?

 

[Spanky]

network engineer, eh?? wow!! impressive ...

so what kinda engineering r u talking about?? cable pulling? crimping
connectors? cutting holes in walls?? ok ok ok .. just pulling ur leg

About 50/50 between designing and implementing WAN's and some larger LAN's

mate .. u gotta understand that using big high faluting labels to describe
urself is a very dangerous thing to do in a NG like this ... some of the
folks here are not as easily impressed as i m ...so u gotta expect some
flak if u continue to big-note urself ...

I'm not trying to big note myself, just stating the facts. (and a few
opinions)

i mean.. it is well and good to understand what a routing table does and
on
the basis of that... call urself a network engineer .. but u do realise
that some of the guys here not only understand routing tables .. they also
understand the electronics which go into making the circuitry which store
the routing table .... and if they r so inclined .. they could probably
make u a complete router??

And those are very clever people indeed and probably have a better
understanding of routers than I do.

in my mind .. such folk are more worthy of the

title "network engineer"

I look at it a little differently, such people have two distinct skill sets,
one of them is the electrical and electronic side and the other is the
application or networking side. I'm sure that most people who are capable
of building a router from scratch would have no trouble using it but at the
same time there would have to be a lot of people out there who are capable
of assembling a router by following a schematic and have absoluteley no idea
on how to use it!

 

[Spanky]

Well as someone who is not ashamed of what I post I am now only going to
hold you in greater contempt than before especially when phil posted this
pretty well as a direct response to you posting what could be considered
offensive remarks directed at him.
In fact I should point out that Actually Posting someones home phone
number
is far far worse than someone posting your Christian Name and the suburb
he
lives in.

Phil could have posted a lot more detail as in less than 5 Minutes on the
Internet I have your full Name, Your street address, your home phone
Number
and the name of your employer (not being a creep like yourself I will not
post them here).

Just remember that it was Phil that decided to ring me. I've also noticed
that Phil has decided not to respond to this thread since shortly after he
phoned me, if Phil is so right and I am so wrong why isn't he defending
himself?

did you enjoy growing up where the streets look Silver ?

I have that CD too. I didn't grow up in Croydon, I've only been here for
around 2 years.

Regards
Richard Freeman (its my Name, This is my post and I stand behind it)

 

[Brian Goldsmith]

"Spanky" <labtecs@hotmail.com> wrote

Hmm Thats funny I am a Wide Area Network engineer and I find it
difficult

to understand how anyone could do my job without an Understanding of
Electronics.

Who said that I didn't have an understanding of electronics?

**** You did:-

"I think that I have a fair understanding of the fundamentals but I have
no
need to know anything in depth about electronics."

Brian Goldsmith.

 

[Moses Lim]

Spanky wrote:

network engineer, eh?? wow!! impressive ...

so what kinda engineering r u talking about?? cable pulling? crimping
connectors? cutting holes in walls?? ok ok ok .. just pulling ur leg


About 50/50 between designing and implementing WAN's and some larger LAN's

mate ... lots of people design and implement WANs and large LANs and they
don't strut around preening and calling themselves "network engineers" ...
they r not quite so interested in the job title ..

some of the folks here are not as easily impressed as i m ...so u gotta
expect some flak if u continue to big-note urself ...

I'm not trying to big note myself, just stating the facts. (and a few
opinions)

_shrug_ u may think u r "just stating the facts" but to some ppl it sure
sounds like big-noting

the routing table .... and if they r so inclined .. they could probably
make u a complete router??

And those are very clever people indeed and probably have a better
understanding of routers than I do.

it may surprise u to know that such ppl do not go around telling enyone who
would listen that they r network engineers..

in my mind .. such folk are more worthy of the
title "network engineer"

I look at it a little differently, such people have two distinct skill
sets, one of them is the electrical and electronic side and the other is
the

yeah.. and 2 skill sets beats one skill set any day, eh? these ppl
usually also have a 3rd skill set .. that of humility ....but than that has
nothing to do with technical competency so i'll leave that one out of the
eqn

application or networking side. I'm sure that most people who are capable
of building a router from scratch would have no trouble using it but at
the same time there would have to be a lot of people out there who are
capable of assembling a router by following a schematic and have
absoluteley no idea on how to use it!

just like there r ppl out there who can design and implement networks from a
manual and do not really understand how the bits really work...

i know .. i know .. there is always someone else who will do the dirty work
of "understanding" or in the case of the circuit board assemblers ..
somebody else to use it

all i m saying is .... just relax when u r in a NG like this ... there r
some folks here who have no patience for someone who tries to act all
smarty-pants when in fact there r clearly cracks in the facade ...

there is nothing wrong in having good self-esteem .. but be careful not to
fall into the trap of thinking u r a big fish in a big pond the pond is
bigger than u think .. and there r some seriously bad predators around

i probably have no right telling u the things i have in the last coupla
posts ... like i said previously .. it is ur life and good luck to u

 

[Richard Freeman]

"Spanky" <labtecs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:40a86c34$0$8990$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

Well as someone who is not ashamed of what I post I am now only going to
hold you in greater contempt than before especially when phil posted
this
pretty well as a direct response to you posting what could be considered
offensive remarks directed at him.
In fact I should point out that Actually Posting someones home phone
number
is far far worse than someone posting your Christian Name and the suburb
he
lives in.

Phil could have posted a lot more detail as in less than 5 Minutes on
the
Internet I have your full Name, Your street address, your home phone
Number
and the name of your employer (not being a creep like yourself I will
not
post them here).


Just remember that it was Phil that decided to ring me.

You say that Like it was a problem - it seems fair enough to me that if you
are suffering misunderstanding through a medium like writing (which is and
can be rather limited without a lot of care) that it probably is a good Idea
to talk directly.

However Contrary to the claim you have just made you were the one who Made a
post that suggested you wished to talk to Phil on the Phone ie:

however if you are so high and mighty why don't you just give me your
home address and
phone number (you are *FULLY* identifying yourself aren't you?) so we
can
resolve this problem the old fashioned way?

Or was that a Criminal threat of Violence ?

Reflecting on that further I remembering that you asked for Phils
Number/Address so you could contact him The fact that he did not post it on
the Newsgroup but rather chose to take the discussion offline and ring you
directly would tell anyone with half (or even less) a Brain that Phil did
not wish to have his Addres or Number plastered all over the Newsgroup.
The fact that you subsequently posted Phils Number on this Newsgroup besides
showing what a complete and utter hypocrite you are indicates either one of
two things (or both) :
1) You are not very bright
2) You are a complete and utter Creep

I've also noticed
that Phil has decided not to respond to this thread since shortly after he
phoned me, if Phil is so right and I am so wrong why isn't he defending
himself?

Why does He have to ?
Have you heard of a killfile ? Maybe he has merely decided that you are a
complete and utter waste of time and space.

You seem to keep making yourself look worse and worse without his assistance
Or maybe you are hoping that he will give you another reason to complain
about him to his ISP. If I was in Phils shoes I would have made several
complaints to your ISP by now I note that a number of posters have said how
responsive to complaints optusnet are


Regards
Richard Freeman (its my Name, This is my post and I stand behind it)

 

[Richard Freeman]

"Christopher Allan" <tryagain@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:4z%oc.37841$TT.11787@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

Who cares if he is a wanker or not he will prove himself over time...

He already has .....

 

[Richard Freeman]

"Moses Lim" <hyspeed@zeta.org.au.no.spam.pls> wrote in message
news:UN3qc.43787$TT.18813@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

Spanky wrote:

network engineer, eh?? wow!! impressive ...

so what kinda engineering r u talking about?? cable pulling? crimping
connectors? cutting holes in walls?? ok ok ok .. just pulling ur leg


About 50/50 between designing and implementing WAN's and some larger
LAN's

mate ... lots of people design and implement WANs and large LANs and they
don't strut around preening and calling themselves "network engineers" ...
they r not quite so interested in the job title ..

I wonder what he knows about clocking ? Actually I gather that really all
spanky does is plug cards into PCs and install Software I guess he doesnt
have an Austel/Cabling Registration either...

I never could make sense of my last job title my business Card claimed I was
a 'field engineer' I never could figure out if that made me a Farmer or a
Backhoe operator...

some of the folks here are not as easily impressed as i m ...so u gotta
expect some flak if u continue to big-note urself ...

I'm not trying to big note myself, just stating the facts. (and a few
opinions)

_shrug_ u may think u r "just stating the facts" but to some ppl it sure
sounds like big-noting

It is Big noting - especially when you take all of Spankys recent postings
into account. He chased around after Phil being offensive until Phil bit
back then he complained to Phils ISP, now he has realised that Phils Track
record is much more relevant to this Newsgroup than his (Spanky) So he is
trying to puff himself up in an effort to claim some credibility.

the routing table .... and if they r so inclined .. they could
probably
make u a complete router??

And those are very clever people indeed and probably have a better
understanding of routers than I do.

it may surprise u to know that such ppl do not go around telling enyone
who
would listen that they r network engineers..

Ahh but those people build their credibility by demonstrating their ability
Not attacking other people.

in my mind .. such folk are more worthy of the
title "network engineer"

I look at it a little differently, such people have two distinct skill
sets, one of them is the electrical and electronic side and the other is
the

yeah.. and 2 skill sets beats one skill set any day, eh? these ppl
usually also have a 3rd skill set .. that of humility ....but than that
has
nothing to do with technical competency so i'll leave that one out of the
eqn

well to be an Engineer requires knowledge in several disciplines

application or networking side. I'm sure that most people who are
capable
of building a router from scratch would have no trouble using it but at
the same time there would have to be a lot of people out there who are
capable of assembling a router by following a schematic and have
absoluteley no idea on how to use it!

just like there r ppl out there who can design and implement networks from
a
manual and do not really understand how the bits really work...

i know .. i know .. there is always someone else who will do the dirty
work
of "understanding" or in the case of the circuit board assemblers ..
somebody else to use it

all i m saying is .... just relax when u r in a NG like this ... there r
some folks here who have no patience for someone who tries to act all
smarty-pants when in fact there r clearly cracks in the facade ...

Especially when those Smarty pants go and attack other people who have
demonstrated their expertise - Then try to justify their ignorance .

there is nothing wrong in having good self-esteem .. but be careful not to
fall into the trap of thinking u r a big fish in a big pond the pond is
bigger than u think .. and there r some seriously bad predators around

Look really the best summary is :
If you come on a Newsgroup, make smart arse comments to one of the Posters
then complain to their ISP and publish personal Details about them on the
Newsgroup when they bite back, Then try and big note yourself and Posture
around Do not expect other folk on the Newsgroup to hold you in anything but
the utmost contempt.

i probably have no right telling u the things i have in the last coupla
posts ... like i said previously .. it is ur life and good luck to u
to u

Naah dont worry about it you were pretty well on track.

Regards
Richard Freeman

 

[Mike Harding]

On Tue, 18 May 2004 09:42:37 +1000, "Richard Freeman"
<deletethisrichard@atps.net> wrote:

The fact that you subsequently posted Phils Number on this Newsgroup besides
showing what a complete and utter hypocrite you are indicates either one of
two things (or both) :
1) You are not very bright
2) You are a complete and utter Creep

Come back to planet Earth Richard. Phil Allison has made a career
out of being rude, obscene and abusive to people on this and other
newsgroups. He spent years doing this - of course some people
are going to get pissed off with it and retaliate.

I've also noticed
that Phil has decided not to respond to this thread since shortly after he
phoned me, if Phil is so right and I am so wrong why isn't he defending
himself?

Why does He have to ?

His modus operandi is to cower into a corner whenever things start
to get too hot for him - like all bullies.

Phil Allison is a nasty piece of work - ask Winfield Hill the author
of "The Art of Electronics" - a world respected text on the subject
in case you don't know it. Check the archives on Google too,
when was it Phil? about 2 years ago?

Phil Allison

 

[Phil Allison]

"Mike Harding" <



** Post your home phone number Mike - so we can have a chat.

There is none so brave as the anonymous critic.





.......... Phil

 

[Mike Harding]

On Tue, 18 May 2004 22:09:04 +1000, "Phil Allison"
<philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:

** Post your home phone number Mike - so we can have a chat.

There is none so brave as the anonymous critic.

Send your writ Phil - Clayton Utz are still waiting...? Or don't you
have the balls you shouted so loud from the rooftops when you
were trying to bully me into submission? Go check Google, your
threat is still there - where is the writ? You're a pussy Phil.

I don't talk to people like you - that's what I pay lawyers for:
Clayton Utz, in Melbourne - they're in the phone book - just
like they always were...?

Mike Harding

 

[Phil Allison]

"Mike Harding" <mike_harding1@nixspamhotmail.com>


** Post your home phone number Mike - so we can have a chat.

There is none so brave as the anonymous critic.





.......... Phil

 

[Mike Harding]

On Tue, 18 May 2004 23:11:37 +1000, "Phil Allison"
<philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:

"Mike Harding" <mike_harding1@nixspamhotmail.com


** Post your home phone number Mike - so we can have a chat.

There is none so brave as the anonymous critic.

I'm not anonymous. Just send that writ care of CLUTZ as you
threatened to - it'll find me. Then you and me and the nice
judge and the newspapers can have a chat in a very un-
anonymous way - just be prepared to pay for the privilege.

Mike Harding

 

[Phil Allison]

"Mike Harding" <mike_harding1@nixspamhotmail.com>

"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:

** Post your home phone number Mike - so we can have a chat.

There is none so brave as the anonymous critic.

I'm not anonymous.

** So where do you live, where do you work and how do I identify you from
others with the same name ??

Just send that writ care of CLUTZ as you threatened to - it'll find me.

** So if I send a letter to Melbourne with " Mike Harding - CLUTZ " at the
top the post office will know who to deliver it to ????


You must be a very famous wanker.




............. Phil

 

[Richard Freeman]

"Mike Harding" <mike_harding1@nixspamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hhpja0p91l3t780id0iv708t70ed2j4bi2@4ax.com...

On Tue, 18 May 2004 09:42:37 +1000, "Richard Freeman"
deletethisrichard@atps.net> wrote:

The fact that you subsequently posted Phils Number on this Newsgroup
besides
showing what a complete and utter hypocrite you are indicates either one
of
two things (or both) :
1) You are not very bright
2) You are a complete and utter Creep

Come back to planet Earth Richard. Phil Allison has made a career
out of being rude, obscene and abusive to people on this and other
newsgroups. He spent years doing this - of course some people
are going to get pissed off with it and retaliate.

There is a difference between retaliation and baiting In fact this whole
thread was started by 'Spanky' Primarily with the intent of Baiting and
otherwise being offensive to Phil thereby removing any moral high ground
that 'Spanky' may have had.
If you choose to bait another person (as 'Spanky' has done in this instance)
and you then cower behind an anonymous handle, post other posters home phone
number and then bignote yourself you should not then be surprised when other
folk hold you in contempt.

I've also noticed
that Phil has decided not to respond to this thread since shortly after
he
phoned me, if Phil is so right and I am so wrong why isn't he defending
himself?

Why does He have to ?

His modus operandi is to cower into a corner whenever things start
to get too hot for him - like all bullies.

Well actually Phil usually Fights back (to his detriment) quite
enthusiastically when people attack him.
In fact when you follow the threads back to the beginning this is often what
people object to most about Phil.
I am actually somewhat Surprised that Phil has not fought back especially in
a thread started by a pathetic little worm like 'Spanky' maybe he is
starting to mellow or merely treat 'Spanky' with the contempt he so richly d
eserves.
There are many many points that 'Spanky' has exposed himself on in this
thread that even blind Freddy could find, I am sure any reticence on Phils
part is not due to him feeling in any way put down by 'Spanky'.

Phil Allison is a nasty piece of work - ask Winfield Hill the author
of "The Art of Electronics" - a world respected text on the subject
in case you don't know it. Check the archives on Google too,
when was it Phil? about 2 years ago?

I cannot disagree that Phil sometimes does go over board (IMO) but then this
is Usenet you can Kill file Phil or choose to ignore his Posts if they
bother you.
I think part of the problem often is that when folk are corrected on
Newsgroups (as in real life) they let their ego get in the way and become
offensive and abusive. Unfortunately these 'discussions' then tend to
escalate to the point where abuse is flying left, west and crooked and it
then becomes difficult to find who started the abuse. I found this out early
on when I was starting out on Usenet in a discussion on Power Amplifiers on
aus.hi-fi where I made the mistake of suggesting that a Perreaux 3000b was a
good high performance amplifier (It is) and got soundly told off by all the
Audiophiles on defending myself (on technical grounds) the abuse soon
started and slowly escalated into some serious obscenities with everyone
(myself included) feeling justified on the grounds that 'they started it' in
fact the end of the thread basically turned into an argument on who started
the abuse.

I have to admit that I have been corrected by Phil on a number of occasions
without him resorting to abuse. In fact when I have double checked the
detail I have found that Phil was in fact usually correct, so I have to say
that my direct dealings with Phil have not been all that bad.

Phil Allison

Why have you signed this post with Phil's name ???

Regards
Richard Freeman

 

[Mike Harding]

On Wed, 19 May 2004 10:51:20 +1000, "Richard Freeman"
<richard@atps.net> wrote:

Why have you signed this post with Phil's name ???

No idea. Probably a cut and paste mistake.

Mike Harding

 

[Brian Goldsmith]

"Mike Harding" wrote

<richard@atps.net> wrote:

Why have you signed this post with Phil's name ???

No idea. Probably a cut and paste mistake.

Mike Harding

***** If you have "no idea" how can you then go on to say "probably a
cut and paste mistake".

You cant have it both ways.

Brian Goldsmith.

 

[Mike Harding]

On Wed, 19 May 2004 11:45:24 GMT, "Brian Goldsmith"
<brian.goldsmith@nospamecho1.com.au> wrote:

richard@atps.net> wrote:
Why have you signed this post with Phil's name ???

No idea. Probably a cut and paste mistake.

***** If you have "no idea" how can you then go on to say "probably a
cut and paste mistake".

You cant have it both ways.

Why?

Mike Harding

PS. Do try to trim posts properly.