PCB Manufacture

[Farticus]

I often read in the NG's about the dissappointments some have in using
off-shore PCB manufacturers.
Well, heres some good news!! - and this is NOT spam.

For the past few months I have been using PCB Cart ( www.pcbcart.com ) - I
came across their name through another posting on a NG.

Recently I placed and received an order for 200 pieces and had requested
WHITE solder mask. The boards arrived GREEN.

So I thought "Here goes, just another 'don't care' "outfit. So I emailed
them about the problem. Within an hour or two I received a relpy email
wherein they acknowledged their mistake and took responsibility, indicating
they would make good the order at their cost.

Five days later, I received via DHL (I'm in Australia) the 200 WHITE
boards - SURPRISE, SURPRISE!

So, full marks to PCB Cart and their service. The quality of their work
equals their service, and pricing is fair.

Hopefully this post will benefit others looking an opinion when looking for
for a quality reliable honest PCB manufacturer.

Regards.

 

[Mike Harrison]

On Mon, 07 May 2007 22:09:14 GMT, "Farticus" <localhost@127.0.0.1> wrote:

I often read in the NG's about the dissappointments some have in using
off-shore PCB manufacturers.
Well, heres some good news!! - and this is NOT spam.

For the past few months I have been using PCB Cart ( www.pcbcart.com ) - I
came across their name through another posting on a NG.

Recently I placed and received an order for 200 pieces and had requested
WHITE solder mask. The boards arrived GREEN.

So I thought "Here goes, just another 'don't care' "outfit. So I emailed
them about the problem. Within an hour or two I received a relpy email
wherein they acknowledged their mistake and took responsibility, indicating
they would make good the order at their cost.

Five days later, I received via DHL (I'm in Australia) the 200 WHITE
boards - SURPRISE, SURPRISE!

So, full marks to PCB Cart and their service. The quality of their work
equals their service, and pricing is fair.

Hopefully this post will benefit others looking an opinion when looking for
for a quality reliable honest PCB manufacturer.

Regards.

I've used pcbcart a lot over the last year - apart from a brief problem due to website & comms
problems they had a few weeks ago, service and quality have been excellent.

 

[Rev. 11D Meow!]

You lost the indented audience Right Here!


"Farticus" <localhost@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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Well, heres some goo . . .

 

[Farticus]

I have no idea what you are trying to imply.

"Rev. 11D Meow!" <Jimmy@Crack.corn> wrote in message
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You lost the indented audience Right Here!


"Farticus" <localhost@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:esN%h.35022$M.34707@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

Well, heres some goo . . .

 

[JeffM]

Farticus wrote:
Are you philosophically opposed to cross-posting?
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=PCB-Manufacture&enc_author=4ymZ2RMAAAASg3oyLhCor-AZ54ERShMsbBFJ_pEswBGtEkFFBExRUA&scoring=d&filter=0

....or don't you know how?
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:qHhBKJ-sXKYJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-post+adequately.answered+corrected+with.commas+individually+Disclaimers+deductible+Newsgroups-line

 

[Farticus]

Neither - I took the time and effort to post to each group individually, to
show my appreciation to an honourable trader.
Unlike some people who want to show what ignorant smart asses they are by
posting usless comments whilst hiding behind their keyboards.


"JeffM" <jeffm_@email.com> wrote in message
news:1178640825.090407.226520@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

Farticus wrote:
[...]full marks to PCB Cart and their service.[...]

Are you philosophically opposed to cross-posting?
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=PCB-Manufacture&enc_author=4ymZ2RMAAAASg3oyLhCor-AZ54ERShMsbBFJ_pEswBGtEkFFBExRUA&scoring=d&filter=0

...or don't you know how?
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:qHhBKJ-sXKYJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-post+adequately.answered+corrected+with.commas+individually+Disclaimers+deductible+Newsgroups-line

 

[TT_Man]

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So I thought "Here goes, just another 'don't care' "outfit. So I emailed
them about the problem. Within an hour or two I received a relpy email
wherein they acknowledged their mistake and took responsibility,
indicating they would make good the order at their cost.

Five days later, I received via DHL (I'm in Australia) the 200 WHITE
boards - SURPRISE, SURPRISE!

So, full marks to PCB Cart and their service. The quality of their work
equals their service, and pricing is fair.

Hopefully this post will benefit others looking an opinion when looking
for for a quality reliable honest PCB manufacturer.

Regards.



I would second that.. 4th order, over 3000 boards.Usually a day or two ahead

of their 8 days too.

 

[Joerg]

Farticus wrote:

I often read in the NG's about the dissappointments some have in using
off-shore PCB manufacturers.
Well, heres some good news!! - and this is NOT spam.

For the past few months I have been using PCB Cart ( www.pcbcart.com ) - I
came across their name through another posting on a NG.

Recently I placed and received an order for 200 pieces and had requested
WHITE solder mask. The boards arrived GREEN.

So I thought "Here goes, just another 'don't care' "outfit. So I emailed
them about the problem. Within an hour or two I received a relpy email
wherein they acknowledged their mistake and took responsibility, indicating
they would make good the order at their cost.

Five days later, I received via DHL (I'm in Australia) the 200 WHITE
boards - SURPRISE, SURPRISE!

So, full marks to PCB Cart and their service. The quality of their work
equals their service, and pricing is fair.

Hopefully this post will benefit others looking an opinion when looking for
for a quality reliable honest PCB manufacturer.

Regards.

Do you know if they still do tin-lead? Their web site isn't very
informative so, just for fun, I keyed in the quote info for a board I
have just contracted elsewhere. On that form there was no tin-lead option.

The other thing was that while the quote was stunningly good they added
tooling costs back in. That made the difference to my US vendor less
stellar. Plus we get a two day turn-around on a 6-layer plus overnight
shipping. The PCBCart site did not accept any lead times below 12 days,
maybe because it's a 6-layer.

However, my usual place stopped offering tin-lead on prototype runs
(only for production runs) so I may have to start looking elsewhere.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

 

[Farticus]

"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message
news:nx90i.2036$zj3.205@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...

Farticus wrote:

I often read in the NG's about the dissappointments some have in using
off-shore PCB manufacturers.
Well, heres some good news!! - and this is NOT spam.

For the past few months I have been using PCB Cart ( www.pcbcart.com ) -
I came across their name through another posting on a NG.

Recently I placed and received an order for 200 pieces and had requested
WHITE solder mask. The boards arrived GREEN.

So I thought "Here goes, just another 'don't care' "outfit. So I emailed
them about the problem. Within an hour or two I received a relpy email
wherein they acknowledged their mistake and took responsibility,
indicating they would make good the order at their cost.

Five days later, I received via DHL (I'm in Australia) the 200 WHITE
boards - SURPRISE, SURPRISE!

So, full marks to PCB Cart and their service. The quality of their work
equals their service, and pricing is fair.

Hopefully this post will benefit others looking an opinion when looking
for for a quality reliable honest PCB manufacturer.

Regards.


Do you know if they still do tin-lead? Their web site isn't very
informative so, just for fun, I keyed in the quote info for a board I have
just contracted elsewhere. On that form there was no tin-lead option.

The other thing was that while the quote was stunningly good they added
tooling costs back in. That made the difference to my US vendor less
stellar. Plus we get a two day turn-around on a 6-layer plus overnight
shipping. The PCBCart site did not accept any lead times below 12 days,
maybe because it's a 6-layer.

However, my usual place stopped offering tin-lead on prototype runs (only
for production runs) so I may have to start looking elsewhere.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Not sure about tin-lead. I suggest you flick them an email, the chap I
communicate with there is very helpful and reponds in good time. His name is
Sun Jiao Yang (Sun) at sales@pcbcart.com He will be able to answer your
other queries as well.

Regards, Lew (Farticus)

 

[Joerg]

Farticus wrote:

"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message
news:nx90i.2036$zj3.205@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...

Farticus wrote:


I often read in the NG's about the dissappointments some have in using
off-shore PCB manufacturers.
Well, heres some good news!! - and this is NOT spam.

For the past few months I have been using PCB Cart ( www.pcbcart.com ) -
I came across their name through another posting on a NG.

Recently I placed and received an order for 200 pieces and had requested
WHITE solder mask. The boards arrived GREEN.

So I thought "Here goes, just another 'don't care' "outfit. So I emailed
them about the problem. Within an hour or two I received a relpy email
wherein they acknowledged their mistake and took responsibility,
indicating they would make good the order at their cost.

Five days later, I received via DHL (I'm in Australia) the 200 WHITE
boards - SURPRISE, SURPRISE!

So, full marks to PCB Cart and their service. The quality of their work
equals their service, and pricing is fair.

Hopefully this post will benefit others looking an opinion when looking
for for a quality reliable honest PCB manufacturer.

Regards.


Do you know if they still do tin-lead? Their web site isn't very
informative so, just for fun, I keyed in the quote info for a board I have
just contracted elsewhere. On that form there was no tin-lead option.

The other thing was that while the quote was stunningly good they added
tooling costs back in. That made the difference to my US vendor less
stellar. Plus we get a two day turn-around on a 6-layer plus overnight
shipping. The PCBCart site did not accept any lead times below 12 days,
maybe because it's a 6-layer.

However, my usual place stopped offering tin-lead on prototype runs (only
for production runs) so I may have to start looking elsewhere.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com


Not sure about tin-lead. I suggest you flick them an email, the chap I
communicate with there is very helpful and reponds in good time. His name is
Sun Jiao Yang (Sun) at sales@pcbcart.com He will be able to answer your
other queries as well.

Good idea, I'll do that.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

 

[JeffM]

JeffM wrote:

Are you philosophically opposed to cross-posting?
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=PCB-Manufacture&enc_author=4ymZ2RMAAAASg3oyLhCor-AZ54ERShMsbBFJ_pEswBGtEkFFBExRUA&scoring=d&filter=0
...or don't you know how?
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:qHhBKJ-sXKYJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-post+adequately.answered+corrected+with.commas+individually+Disclaimers+deductible+Newsgroups-line

Farticus TOP POSTED:
Neither - I took the time and effort to post to each group individually,

....and the thing about it is

that you think *that* is BETTER than cross-posting.
If you were less selfish, you would have come to realize
that the FIRST time someone's properly-constructed newsreader
encounters a CROSS-posted message,
it marks it as *Read* in ALL the groups in which it appears.
This is NOT true for MULTI-posted posts.

to show my appreciation to an honourable trader.

You can do that without MULTI-posting.

Unlike some people who want to show
what ignorant smart asses they are

YOU are the one who is ignorant--and selfish.

by posting usless comments

It is *your* ignorance that makes you call it useless.

Had you read the linked Wikipedia article instead of spewing
uninformed bile,
you would have been less ignorant.
Perhaps after this post you are less ignorant.

 

[RST Engineering (jw)]

Joerg...I just placed my first order for 100 boards and hope like hell they
are tin/lead. When you get the answer back, let us know here.

I would have sworn that was one of the options when you "made" your board.

Olimex is probably the cheapest for prototypes, but if you have any clue
that you will go into small scale production (50-500), Cart has the world
beat, hands down.

Jim


"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message
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Not sure about tin-lead. I suggest you flick them an email, the chap I
communicate with there is very helpful and reponds in good time. His name
is Sun Jiao Yang (Sun) at sales@pcbcart.com He will be able to answer
your other queries as well.


Good idea, I'll do that.

 

[RST Engineering (jw)]

Go to "order board" (you can always back out) and look at the finish
options. Hot flow solder is the default. If you hit the dropdown button,
there are a few more options; lead free reflow is on the list. My guess is
that "solder" is tin/lead.

Jim




"RST Engineering (jw)" <jim@rstengineering.com> wrote in message
news:1344cuv85c63ra1@news.supernews.com...

Joerg...I just placed my first order for 100 boards and hope like hell
they are tin/lead. When you get the answer back, let us know here.

I would have sworn that was one of the options when you "made" your board.

Olimex is probably the cheapest for prototypes, but if you have any clue
that you will go into small scale production (50-500), Cart has the world
beat, hands down.

 

[Farticus]

This TOP POST has one message for you of which the second one is OFF, go
figure.

"JeffM" <jeffm_@email.com> wrote in message
news:1178725291.492415.188290@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

JeffM wrote:
Are you philosophically opposed to cross-posting?
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=PCB-Manufacture&enc_author=4ymZ2RMAAAASg3oyLhCor-AZ54ERShMsbBFJ_pEswBGtEkFFBExRUA&scoring=d&filter=0
...or don't you know how?
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:qHhBKJ-sXKYJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-post+adequately.answered+corrected+with.commas+individually+Disclaimers+deductible+Newsgroups-line

Farticus TOP POSTED:
Neither - I took the time and effort to post to each group individually,

...and the thing about it is
that you think *that* is BETTER than cross-posting.
If you were less selfish, you would have come to realize
that the FIRST time someone's properly-constructed newsreader
encounters a CROSS-posted message,
it marks it as *Read* in ALL the groups in which it appears.
This is NOT true for MULTI-posted posts.

to show my appreciation to an honourable trader.

You can do that without MULTI-posting.

Unlike some people who want to show
what ignorant smart asses they are

YOU are the one who is ignorant--and selfish.

by posting usless comments

It is *your* ignorance that makes you call it useless.
Had you read the linked Wikipedia article instead of spewing
uninformed bile,
you would have been less ignorant.
Perhaps after this post you are less ignorant.

 

[RST Engineering (jw)]

DON'T MUD WRESTLE WITH PIGS. You get all muddy and the pig likes it.

Jim


"Farticus" <localhost@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
newsCr0i.35733$M.35308@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

This TOP POST has one message for you of which the second one is OFF, go
figure.

 

[Joerg]

RST Engineering (jw) wrote:

Go to "order board" (you can always back out) and look at the finish
options. Hot flow solder is the default. If you hit the dropdown button,
there are a few more options; lead free reflow is on the list. My guess is
that "solder" is tin/lead.

Let's hope so. I was surprised that my usual source offered that only on
larger runs. Anyhow, I did write to them and will let everyone here know
when I have an answer.

Sorry I can't help you with the switch in the other s.e.d. thread but
most of my stuff is produced in China and the factories there buy
direct. I have heard the distribution system there is very different
from here, a lot depends on persoanlly knowing each other for a long
time. "Long time" in China can mean a few decades.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

 

[RST Engineering (jw)]

Three historians, one American, one French, and one Chinese, were sitting
around one day discussing the impact of the American Revolution on history.

THe American gave his version.

The Frenchman gave his version.

THe Chinese guy said that it was far too early to tell.


Jim



"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message
newsVr0i.937$mR2.343@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...

Sorry I can't help you with the switch in the other s.e.d. thread but most
of my stuff is produced in China and the factories there buy direct. I
have heard the distribution system there is very different from here, a
lot depends on persoanlly knowing each other for a long time. "Long time"
in China can mean a few decades.

 

[Joerg]

RST Engineering (jw) wrote:

Three historians, one American, one French, and one Chinese, were sitting
around one day discussing the impact of the American Revolution on history.

THe American gave his version.

The Frenchman gave his version.

THe Chinese guy said that it was far too early to tell.

Can be similar in other countries. A friend who was audio engineer at a
German TV station told me about an interview they did. They asked a
groundskeeper at a Scottish castle what the secret was to maintain such
lush and uniformly green grass. "Oh, lads, that is very simple: Take the
weeds out on a weekly basis and mow if often but slowly. Do this for 100
to 200 years and you'll have such pretty grass as well. Nothing to it,
really."

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

 

[JeffM]

Farticus wrote:

This TOP POST has one message for you
of which the second one is OFF, go figure.

Go ahead. Remain ignorant and selfish.
It's not like it isn't obvious to everyone.