PADS question: document name

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John Larkin

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Hi,

Our long-time PADS guy left to start a new life, and we're breaking in
a replacement.

It's going well, except for this annoyance: we used an old board as
the basis for a new one, with a big ECO, saving the outline, mounting
holes, and most of the power supply stuff. Works fine, renamed and
saved as a new design. But the fab and assembly drawings still show
the old design name at the lower-left, and we can't find the menu item
that might allow us to change this. The PADS docs and HELP are of
course no help.

We're running Logic and PCB version 5.0.

This isn't a problem in schematic printouts, since there the design
name comes out as a pleasing string of heiroglyphics.

Help appreciated.

John
 
John Larkin wrote:

Hi,

Our long-time PADS guy left to start a new life, and we're breaking in
a replacement.

It's going well, except for this annoyance: we used an old board as
the basis for a new one, with a big ECO, saving the outline, mounting
holes, and most of the power supply stuff. Works fine, renamed and
saved as a new design. But the fab and assembly drawings still show
the old design name at the lower-left, and we can't find the menu item
that might allow us to change this. The PADS docs and HELP are of
course no help.

We're running Logic and PCB version 5.0.

This isn't a problem in schematic printouts, since there the design
name comes out as a pleasing string of heiroglyphics.

Help appreciated.
Click to expand...
Maybe it needs to be started as a new 'project'. Orcad was a bit like
that. Not a PADS expert though so don't take my word for it..

Graham
 
On Jan 8, 4:24 pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
Hi,

Our long-time PADS guy left to start a new life, and we're breaking in
a replacement.

It's going well, except for this annoyance: we used an old board as
the basis for a new one, with a big ECO, saving the outline, mounting
holes, and most of the power supply stuff. Works fine, renamed and
saved as a new design. But the fab and assembly drawings still show
the old design name at the lower-left, and we can't find the menu item
that might allow us to change this. The PADS docs and HELP are of
course no help.

We're running Logic and PCB version 5.0.

This isn't a problem in schematic printouts, since there the design
name comes out as a pleasing string of heiroglyphics.

Help appreciated.

John
Click to expand...
I'm not a PADS guy, but Allegro.
Is it possible it has been "collapsed" and is no longer text? It might
be a bunch of lines.
I do that with drawings just so it's hard to change the titles and
such.
 
"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
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Hi,

Our long-time PADS guy left to start a new life, and we're breaking in
a replacement.

It's going well, except for this annoyance: we used an old board as
the basis for a new one, with a big ECO, saving the outline, mounting
holes, and most of the power supply stuff. Works fine, renamed and
saved as a new design. But the fab and assembly drawings still show
the old design name at the lower-left, and we can't find the menu item
that might allow us to change this. The PADS docs and HELP are of
course no help.

We're running Logic and PCB version 5.0.

This isn't a problem in schematic printouts, since there the design
name comes out as a pleasing string of heiroglyphics.

Help appreciated.

John
Click to expand...
This would be a good question to post on the PADS forum, but I think you
can change the name of the design when you "Run" the "Print/Plot" menu, and
there is a little text box for job name.

Otherwise, you can just export the design to an ASCII file and find the
offending text, change it, and ASCII import back in.

I have PADS2004sp2. I think it worked the same with its predecessor, 5.x.

If you had a newer version this might not work. Every time they fixed one
bug, they introduced a few more "features" and a whole sackful of new bugs.

Paul
 
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 13:01:17 -0500, "Paul E. Schoen"
<pstech@smart.net> wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
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Hi,

Our long-time PADS guy left to start a new life, and we're breaking in
a replacement.

It's going well, except for this annoyance: we used an old board as
the basis for a new one, with a big ECO, saving the outline, mounting
holes, and most of the power supply stuff. Works fine, renamed and
saved as a new design. But the fab and assembly drawings still show
the old design name at the lower-left, and we can't find the menu item
that might allow us to change this. The PADS docs and HELP are of
course no help.

We're running Logic and PCB version 5.0.

This isn't a problem in schematic printouts, since there the design
name comes out as a pleasing string of heiroglyphics.

Help appreciated.

John

This would be a good question to post on the PADS forum, but I think you
can change the name of the design when you "Run" the "Print/Plot" menu, and
there is a little text box for job name.

Otherwise, you can just export the design to an ASCII file and find the
offending text, change it, and ASCII import back in.

I have PADS2004sp2. I think it worked the same with its predecessor, 5.x.

If you had a newer version this might not work. Every time they fixed one
bug, they introduced a few more "features" and a whole sackful of new bugs.

Paul
Click to expand...
Thanks: it turns out that you have to save the project and re-open
it... it's that simple. Our new pcb person had kept the job open for
days, without a save-as!

We dropped PADS support at V5. Pads 5 is essentially perfect, so all
Mentor could do is break it. When they started offering courses to
help experienced Logic users to use the new rev of Logic, we figured
it was time to bail.

John
 
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 13:01:17 -0500, "Paul E. Schoen"
<pstech@smart.net> wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
news:s2rcm45rdcha18hcto0od5j56otdlub03e@4ax.com...


Hi,

Our long-time PADS guy left to start a new life, and we're breaking in
a replacement.

It's going well, except for this annoyance: we used an old board as
the basis for a new one, with a big ECO, saving the outline, mounting
holes, and most of the power supply stuff. Works fine, renamed and
saved as a new design. But the fab and assembly drawings still show
the old design name at the lower-left, and we can't find the menu item
that might allow us to change this. The PADS docs and HELP are of
course no help.

We're running Logic and PCB version 5.0.

This isn't a problem in schematic printouts, since there the design
name comes out as a pleasing string of heiroglyphics.

Help appreciated.

John

This would be a good question to post on the PADS forum, but I think you
can change the name of the design when you "Run" the "Print/Plot" menu, and
there is a little text box for job name.
Click to expand...

But Mentor Graphics wants you to use their new and WONDERFUL DX
Designer instead of that crappy old Logic ! It's so much easier and
works so seamless with PADS PCB !! NOT !!

Just pay the $3,000 per year or whatever so you can call them on the
phone everytime you have a problem that isn't obvious or isn't in the
manual.

I like pads and logic myself, but Mentor does not want anyone to use
Logic anymore for some very stupid reason. Thety obviously don't
use their own software (which they acquired and didn't write
themselves).

I use Eagle nowdays. It's priced well and there are LOTS of other
users on the net and lots of libraries AND free news.server continuing
support. That's what I like. Not quite as good as Pads in some
ways, but getting better all the time and they seem to listen to their
users. Some of their features I like better than PADS like the pan
and zooming.

boB


Otherwise, you can just export the design to an ASCII file and find the
offending text, change it, and ASCII import back in.

I have PADS2004sp2. I think it worked the same with its predecessor, 5.x.

If you had a newer version this might not work. Every time they fixed one
bug, they introduced a few more "features" and a whole sackful of new bugs.

Paul
Click to expand...
 
boB wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 13:01:17 -0500, "Paul E. Schoen"
pstech@smart.net> wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
news:s2rcm45rdcha18hcto0od5j56otdlub03e@4ax.com...

Hi,

Our long-time PADS guy left to start a new life, and we're breaking in
a replacement.

It's going well, except for this annoyance: we used an old board as
the basis for a new one, with a big ECO, saving the outline, mounting
holes, and most of the power supply stuff. Works fine, renamed and
saved as a new design. But the fab and assembly drawings still show
the old design name at the lower-left, and we can't find the menu item
that might allow us to change this. The PADS docs and HELP are of
course no help.

We're running Logic and PCB version 5.0.

This isn't a problem in schematic printouts, since there the design
name comes out as a pleasing string of heiroglyphics.

Help appreciated.

John
This would be a good question to post on the PADS forum, but I think you
can change the name of the design when you "Run" the "Print/Plot" menu, and
there is a little text box for job name.


But Mentor Graphics wants you to use their new and WONDERFUL DX
Designer instead of that crappy old Logic ! It's so much easier and
works so seamless with PADS PCB !! NOT !!

Just pay the $3,000 per year or whatever so you can call them on the
phone everytime you have a problem that isn't obvious or isn't in the
manual.

I like pads and logic myself, but Mentor does not want anyone to use
Logic anymore for some very stupid reason. Thety obviously don't
use their own software (which they acquired and didn't write
themselves).

I use Eagle nowdays. It's priced well and there are LOTS of other
users on the net and lots of libraries AND free news.server continuing
support. That's what I like. Not quite as good as Pads in some
ways, but getting better all the time and they seem to listen to their
users. Some of their features I like better than PADS like the pan
and zooming.
Click to expand...
Except it doesn't allow hierarchical sheet structures. That is IMHO a
huge disadvantage of Eagle. This input has been given many times over in
the forums but Cadsoft did not listen to that one. I am using Eagle
myself right now but only because I haven't found a viable alternative.

gEDA is rather strange with the power pins in multi-part packages. Kicad
does that nicely but has a raggedy looking title block and coordinate
frame, both of which cannot be customized well and cannot be removed at
all by the user.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.
 
boB wrote:
. It's priced well

For payware--but not so well
Click to expand...
when compared to gEDA and KiCAD (mentioned by Joerg).
--not to mention the **open source** nature of those 2.

and there are LOTS of other users on the net

At one time, the ubiquity of EAGLE[1], its cross-platform status,
Click to expand...
and their will-*read*-even-the-largest-files demo
were all pluses; now, not so much.

and lots of libraries

Re-using someone else's symbols is a minefield.
Click to expand...
Here's Cadsoft's BIG sticking point of the last few years: (DRM)
**EAGLE CAN LOCK YOU OUT OF YOUR WORK PRODUCT**
by Markus Zingg
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.arch.embedded/browse_frm/thread/f794e82d26b59e18/d7cf4149edb93ac7?q=*-*-website+reuse+paying.*+*-I-will-switch+cracked-*+*.would.not.help.*+zzz+after-*-*-version-*+copied+*.*.unlock.*.designs+*-*-*-*-exchange-*-*-*-*-third-party+reused+qq+*-*-single-bit-*-*-*-*+useless+*-*-*-projects-could-no-longer-be-opened
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=1jisj25b43ucaddcu7sm9n82i8sk98v2ut@4ax.com

BEFORE you start using Cadsoft's wares,
make sure you find out how to UN-BORK a file that they DRM
i.e. learn how to be a "pirate".
For the clueless out there:
DRM only hurts LEGIT customers and pisses them off.
When will these companies ever learn?

AND free news.server continuing support.

Their news servers (1 ostensibly for user-to-user-help
Click to expand...
and 1 ostensibly for factory support) are a good resource.

getting better all the time

DRM was a **giant** step backwards.
Click to expand...
Their cavalier attitude with regard to DRM
has changed the complexion of the company for me.

and they seem to listen to their users.

Except where it REALLY counts, apparently.
Click to expand...
..
..
[1] The acronym is properly written in all caps:
http://www.google.com/search?q=Easily-Applicable-Graphical-Layout.Editor
 
gEDA is rather strange with the power pins in multi-part packages. Kicad
does that nicely but has a raggedy looking title block and coordinate
frame, both of which cannot be customized well and cannot be removed at
all by the user.
Click to expand...
Can you dance around their klutzy frame and title block by ignoring
them and putting your own smaller frame inside their frame, and then
running some postscript postprocessing to crop down to what you want?

--
These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam.
 
Hal Murray wrote:
gEDA is rather strange with the power pins in multi-part packages. Kicad
does that nicely but has a raggedy looking title block and coordinate
frame, both of which cannot be customized well and cannot be removed at
all by the user.

Can you dance around their klutzy frame and title block by ignoring
them and putting your own smaller frame inside their frame, and then
running some postscript postprocessing to crop down to what you want?
Click to expand...
That's what I want to try next because it seems there is no interest in
the gEDA community to look at the power pin issue and none in the Kicad
community to look at the frame thing. I'd love to write corrected code
myself by I am not a programmer. Being a hardware guy it's tough to
figure out PS postprocessing, could use some more mainstream file format
and do a crop by hand. Won't be very precise though.

If I have my druthers I'll fire up the old OrCad SDT. It was perfect but
didn't do zoom, print and stuff too well in a DOS window. I'll have to
see if it's better in a virtual machine with a clean native DOS on
there. Printing will probably remain an issue.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.
 
If I have my druthers I'll fire up the old OrCad SDT. It was perfect but
didn't do zoom, print and stuff too well in a DOS window. I'll have to
see if it's better in a virtual machine with a clean native DOS on
there. Printing will probably remain an issue.
Click to expand...
You can probably do similar hacking on gerber files.

With postscript, you can probably print stuff with something
as simple as
cat fixit-stuff.ps bad-stuff.ps | lpr
where fixit.ps is a few lines of magic that redefines
the coordinate system. (The old border just falls through the cracks.)

--
These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam.
 
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:30:30 -0800, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Hal Murray wrote:
gEDA is rather strange with the power pins in multi-part packages. Kicad
does that nicely but has a raggedy looking title block and coordinate
frame, both of which cannot be customized well and cannot be removed at
all by the user.

Can you dance around their klutzy frame and title block by ignoring
them and putting your own smaller frame inside their frame, and then
running some postscript postprocessing to crop down to what you want?


That's what I want to try next because it seems there is no interest in
the gEDA community to look at the power pin issue and none in the Kicad
community to look at the frame thing. I'd love to write corrected code
myself by I am not a programmer. Being a hardware guy it's tough to
figure out PS postprocessing, could use some more mainstream file format
and do a crop by hand. Won't be very precise though.
Click to expand...
I don't see any entries in the Features Request that contain "frame" or
"title," so it looks like nobody has actually initiated that yet:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=762479&group_id=145591&func=browse

I'm stuck with VS 2005 on the machine (it won't uninstall) and the Kicad
page does have a link to a "how to build from source" so I may give it a
go this weekend. At least enough to take a look at it. Who knows, it
might be easy! ;-)

--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA
 
Rich Webb wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:30:30 -0800, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Hal Murray wrote:
gEDA is rather strange with the power pins in multi-part packages. Kicad
does that nicely but has a raggedy looking title block and coordinate
frame, both of which cannot be customized well and cannot be removed at
all by the user.
Can you dance around their klutzy frame and title block by ignoring
them and putting your own smaller frame inside their frame, and then
running some postscript postprocessing to crop down to what you want?

That's what I want to try next because it seems there is no interest in
the gEDA community to look at the power pin issue and none in the Kicad
community to look at the frame thing. I'd love to write corrected code
myself by I am not a programmer. Being a hardware guy it's tough to
figure out PS postprocessing, could use some more mainstream file format
and do a crop by hand. Won't be very precise though.

I don't see any entries in the Features Request that contain "frame" or
"title," so it looks like nobody has actually initiated that yet:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=762479&group_id=145591&func=browse
Click to expand...
Ok, I just took the liberty to add this as a request :)


I'm stuck with VS 2005 on the machine (it won't uninstall) and the Kicad
page does have a link to a "how to build from source" so I may give it a
go this weekend. At least enough to take a look at it. Who knows, it
might be easy! ;-)
Click to expand...
If I had more programming experience I'd also give it a shot. But this
weekend I'll be ripping out carpet. Orders from SWMBO :)

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.
 
Hal Murray wrote:
If I have my druthers I'll fire up the old OrCad SDT. It was perfect but
didn't do zoom, print and stuff too well in a DOS window. I'll have to
see if it's better in a virtual machine with a clean native DOS on
there. Printing will probably remain an issue.

You can probably do similar hacking on gerber files.

With postscript, you can probably print stuff with something
as simple as
cat fixit-stuff.ps bad-stuff.ps | lpr
where fixit.ps is a few lines of magic that redefines
the coordinate system. (The old border just falls through the cracks.)
Click to expand...
My problem with those things begins with "a few lines of magic" :)

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.
 
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